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ESA's Long-Term Plan To Investigate the Invisible Universe

xiox writes "The European Space Agency (ESA) have decided that its next two large astronomy missions (costing 2bn Euros) will be to study two aspects of the "invisible universe". The first will be a very large X-ray telescope to be launched in 2028. It will study the physics of the hottest and largest structures in the universe, investigating how they formed and evolved. It will also investigate how black holes grow and affect the universe. The second mission, launched in 2034, will be an observatory capable to measure gravitation waves, the stretches and compressions in space-time caused by massive moving systems, such as merging pairs of black holes. Although the final designs are not yet chosen, the two proposed observatories Athena and eLISA are likely choices. BBC News has more information."

26 comments

  1. News for Nerds.... by Servaas · · Score: 0

    Stuff that doesn't matter until you're 54!!

    1. Re:News for Nerds.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stuff that doesn't matter until you're 54!!

      For some people here that might happen before you graduate...

    2. Re:News for Nerds.... by femtobyte · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or, stuff that matters because you're working on it between now and when you're 54. Designing, building, and running big science projects --- in space! --- mean jobs for nerds, whose central career will consist of getting this stuff done. If you think these things don't matter to nerds until the final answer pops out on Slashdot's front page in two or three decades, then you're missing out on a lot of good nerding.

    3. Re:News for Nerds.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool then : I happen to be 54 -and working in the European space industry, for ESA :-)

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      it's not so often one is happy to be 54, you made my day

    4. Re:News for Nerds.... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      are you really budgeted 14 years in advance?

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  2. no by beyondthetime · · Score: 1

    We better stop investigating things or we will find our that in fact we are aliens from other world banished to live here like ozi in australia......... and when they gonna find out we are living our cell they will be not so polite this time.

  3. The Universe: Some Information... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Informative
    From The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (pulled from http://www.acc.umu.se/~ola/hitchhik.htm) :

    1. Area: Infinite.
      The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy offers this definition of the word "infinite".

      Infinite: Bigger than the biggest thing ever and then some. Much bigger than that in fact, really amazingly immense, a totally stunning size, real "wow, that's big," time. Infinity is just so big that, by comparison, bigness itself looks really titchy. Gigantic multiplied by colossal multiplied by staggeringly huge is the sort of concept we're trying to get across here.

    2. Imports: None.
      It is impossible to import things into an infinite area, there being no outside to import things in from.
    3. Exports: None.
      See Imports
    4. Population: None
      It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there most be a finite number of inhabited worlds. And finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any person you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.
    5. Monetary Units: None
      In fact there are three freely convertible currencies in the Galaxy, but none of them count. The Altarian Dollar has recently collapsed, the Flainian Pobble Bead is only exchangeable for other Flainian Pobble Beads, and the Triganic Pu has its own very special problems. It exchange rate of eight Ningis to one Pu is simple enough, but since Ningi is a triangular rubber coin six thousand eight hundred miles along each side, no one has ever collected enough to own one Pu. Nigis are not negotiable currency, because Galactibanks refuse to deal in fiddling small change. From this basic premise it is very simple to prove that the Galactibanks are also the product of a deranged imagination.
    6. Art: None
      The Function of art is to hold the mirror up to nature, and there simply isn't a mirror big enough- see point one.
    7. Sex: None.
      Well, in fact there is an awful lot in this, largely because of the total lack of money, trade, banks, art or anything else that might keep all the nonexistent people of the Universe occupied. However, it is not worth embarking on a long discussion of it now because it really is terribly complicated. For further information see Guide chapters seven, nine, ten, eleven, fourteen, seventeen, nineteen, twenty-one to eighty-four inclusive, and in fact most of the rest of the Guide
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    1. Re:The Universe: Some Information... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh good, I'm glad someone else has read this book, too. So few people have heard of it.

  4. Cheap by fatphil · · Score: 1

    Here, have my 12c for this year.

    Of course, it will get derailed by administration, cancelled, resurrected, countractors default, go vastly over budget, etc., etc, ...

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  5. Re:too many possible jokes by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 2

    Where? I just don't see them.

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  6. Re:too many possible jokes by Cryacin · · Score: 0

    Use the smelloscope.

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  7. LISA Pathfinder and MOND by mbone · · Score: 4, Informative

    eLisa (a toned-down, less costly, version of the original LISA) requires LISA Pathfinder (a technology demonstration mission). It turns out that LISA Pathfinder can be used to perform the first solar system test of MOND. This subsidiary test, largely flying under the radar, could potentially confirm (or rule out) the MOND / TeVeS hypothesis, providing an important test of fundamental physics for remarkably little expense.

  8. Gravitational waves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought gravitational waves were still entirely theoretical, as every experiment so far has failed to prove their existence. But I guess the ESA must feel really confident about finding them by 2034 if they're willing to spend so much money.

    1. Re:Gravitational waves by femtobyte · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Gravitational waves are still theoretical, but an experiment that solidly and unambiguously fails to find them in regions where general relativity predicts they've got to be would itself be a huge discovery (current experiments are still on the margins of "maybe we won't see anything here anyway."). Gravitational waves are "only theoretical," but part of the same theoretical framework that has powerfully predicted a bunch of other stuff with incredible accuracy. Ruling out gravitational waves would require a major overhaul of how we understand gravity works, discarding big chunks of general relativity. I think not finding gravity waves would be a really exciting result for physics, since it would be the first time in a while now that a deeply-entrenched fundamental theory would be overturned.

    2. Re:Gravitational waves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a 1993 nobel prize awarded for indirect observations of gravitational waves (binary pulsar rotation slowdown)
      So there is indirect evidence they exist.
      This mission aims at the first direct observation of gravitational waves
      That would be a more or less expected and not particularly exciting result (more of a milestone)
      What is tremendously important is the results of those kinds of observations since they are not bound by the CMB like photons or the the GZK limit like high energy cosmic rays in terms of distances they can travel.
      Best case scenario is the establishment of some sort of gravitational wave astronomy (like gamma-rays and neutrinos)

      -- An astrophysics PhD student

  9. Re:And how by femtobyte · · Score: 2

    By giving short-sighted idiots like you an earlier death from stress over the "waste" of effort on aspiring to expand the depth of human knowledge for its own sake rather than simply for some billionaire's profit?

  10. Re:too many possible jokes by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2

    hmmm, I think this "invisible universe" is about things at a great distance, way beyond the orbit of Uranus!

  11. Re:finding jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where exactly did you get that = $6469 new Mercedes? And how does it relate to this article?

  12. Re:too many possible jokes by slick7 · · Score: 1

    Where? I just don't see them.

    You won't, it's a double blind study.

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  13. Re:too many possible jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not uranus. Urrectum!

  14. Re: too many possible jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I, for one, welcome the all new season of Ghost Hunters International (with that classy European full frontal nudity).

    What? No, I _didn't_ read the FA. Why do you ask?

  15. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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