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FBI's Secret Interrogation Manual: Now At the Library of Congress
McGruber writes "The FBI Supervisory Special Agent who authored the FBI's interrogation manual submitted the document for copyright protection — in the process, making it available to anyone with a card for the Library of Congress to read. The story is particularly mind-boggling for two reasons. First, the American Civil Liberties Union fought a legal battle with the FBI over access to the document. When the FBI relented and released a copy to the ACLU, it was heavily redacted — unlike the 70-plus page version of the manual available from the Library of Congress. Second, the manual cannot even qualify for a copyright because it is a government work. Anything 'prepared by an officer or employee of the United States government as part of that person's official duties' is not subject to copyright in the United States."
"A document that has not been released does not even need a copyright," says Steven Aftergood, a government secrecy expert at the Federation of American Scientists. "Who is going to plagiarize from it? Even if you wanted to, you couldn't violate the copyright because you don't have the document. It isn't available."
"The whole thing is a comedy of errors," he adds. "It sounds like gross incompetence and ignorance."
It's genius, all the way down.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
A useful way of leaking a document to the public while maintaining plausible deniability? The author may be sympathetic to ACLU.
/AttitudeOn/ Why else would he take the time to write such a thing.
Anyone working for the government have the same rights as the people including additional rights and privileges some of which are being able to decree changes when it's convenient. /AttitudeOff/
...where's the link to a PDF?
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People who see conspiracy theory nuts everywhere are even worse than conspiracy theory nuts.
lucm, indeed.
It could easily be a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.
In the Reynolds case that established the state secrets privilege of the executive branch, the government fought hard to not disclose the accident reports that the widows of civilian contractors were trying to obtain to show that the government had been negligent in maintenance of the aircraft and that they should therefore receive substantial awards. The case started in 1949, and ran into 1953 before it was finally closed by the supreme court in favor of the government.
In the meantime, a routine review in 1950 declassified the disputed reports from "secret" to "restricted", which is the equivalent of FOUO, which would have allowed the use of the reports in the case. Everyone involved in the case, from the plaintiffs up to the supreme court, and including all witnesses, was unaware of the declassification, which wasn't discovered until the 2000's. The case ran to its conclusion with everyone involved continuing to believe that the documents were classified. The case went on to be the legal basis for all future claims of state secrets privilege by the executive branch.
ref:http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?civilliberties_patriot_act=civilliberties_state_secrets&timeline=civilliberties
Why the hell is there an article about the manual being found and not an article containing the portions of the manual that were previously redacted?
It's ignoring the meat to talk about the how the potatoes were picked at the farm.
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Will there be a copy available to read soon?
It appears we can only discuss ACLU criticism of the FBI manual, and in a favorable light at that. We cannot question the ACLU's criticism, we cannot see why it may not reflect all concerns, nor what other competing interests there are. Any perceived dissent must be smothered, for our "freedom."
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
So -- send a FOIA request to the copyright office?
Just asking.
Sounds to me like some genius at the FBI was trying to gain additional control over that manual. If they could copyright it, they could issue DMCA take down notices to anybody hosting a copy of the manual when it finally does get out in unredacted form. Somebody who didn't know the law thought they could give themselves a club to use against sites publishing it. Too bad for them that it's not legal to copyright it.
Please bear that in mind, anybody who does publish it. You will probably get take down notices. Ignore them. They're illegal. If you're using third party hosting and your host removes it, file the counter notice immediately. The take down notice they receive will be illegal.
I'll bet a pizza that there will be at least one DMCA notice issued before somebody gets a handle on this idiot lawyer at the FBI.
27 July 2012, to be precise: linky [redacted PDF].
I'll post a link to the unredacted version if I can find a non-walled URL.
Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
"Anything 'prepared by an officer or employee of the United States government as part of that person's official duties' is not subject to copyright in the United States."
But if the data is sent to a private company who then processes it does that still apply.
Because the DoD is doing exactly that.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
Get to know the subject before a Fscking..... did i miss anything?
..but torture wasn't supposed to be official, so the thought he could copyright it!
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Copyright != classified. If you want to copyright something, you don't do it to keep it classified, but to prevent people making unauthorized copies of it (for profit). Publishing about the content is still legal and quoting is too, up till a certain degree, when it comes to copyright. When you want it classified, you don't want the contents in any form to become public. It's not about copies being made, but about the actual things that are in the document. Quoting or describing what's inside is prohibited then.
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
Then the next thing they will do is increase penalties for copyright violations for "national security".
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
1) Scopolamine your actual 9-11 victim, torture them to make them say things to sound like a terrorist and reveal classified secrets too.
2) Turn in your victim as a terrorist, get paid by the US governement as an informant for the torture you did.
3) Get a National Security Letter/ Pardon for what you did "for your ciountry".
4) Sell the victim's classified data/ideas to foreign countries, get paid by them too.
5) Sue your victim as well, take away any settlement through the use of more scopolamine.
Profit from treason.
Well, where is it? Post a torrent link or I don't believe you.
Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
what about contractors?
foreign militaries like the Czech Republic?
and even if it's true that only 3 were waterboarded (which just seems ridiculous), one of those was Kalid Sheik Mohammed, and they waterborded him **every day** for 200 days in order to get him to confess to masterminding 9/11
how fucking reliable is that confession?
its not
even if it was just once it's too much b/c it **doesn't work** and we know this, look at our interrogation manuals from WWII...the interrogation was like an intervention practically...they were all lawyers, all spoke fluent German...done in a professional setting.
stop justifying and just accept what happened...
Thank you Dave Raggett
Well, considering that terrorism tends to help those in charge by providing moral ground to do whatever in exchange for non structural damage, I would too consider detention places as terrorist factories until proven otherwise, especially with the policies that have been emerging.
[scopolamine's] use in medicine is relatively limited, with its chief uses being in the treatment of motion sickness and postoperative nausea and vomiting.
Scopolamine has no side nor primary effects that would make it suitable for use as you claim. So, are you an idiot, or did you mean something else?
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