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Russia's Dyatlov Pass Incident May Have Been Explained By Modern Science
swellconvivialguy writes "Fifty-five years ago, nine young Russians died under suspicious circumstances during a winter hiking trip in the Ural mountains. Despite an exhaustive investigation and the recovery of the group's journals and photographs, the deaths remained unexplained, blamed on 'an unknown compelling force.' Now American film and television producer Donnie Eichar believes he has solved the mystery of the Dyatlov Pass Incident. Working in conjunction with scientists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in Boulder, CO, Eichar developed a theory that the hikers died because they panicked in the face of infrasound produced by a Kármán vortex street."
Highly recommenced a pretty cool movie based on the same story: Devil's Pass. Netflix has it, plus the other usual places.
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If you hear it, You just run.
Cross hill.
Maybe there is no real avalanche, but at night, are you going to wait around to see?
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Not infrasound, sorry. Even if that explains why they left their tent, it's not the whole story.
So he claims that tornado produced infrasounds and it itself would be scary, but probably not that much with all that wind and hikers inside tent. From what I read, it is not confirmed that infrasounds induce fear or anxiety in humans, at least not to everyone. Those were experienced hikers and I guess they are used to bad weather... hard to believe that all of them would run away like that just cause of some noise outside of tent.
He wrote a book, wants to sell it, so we have this story as promo.
infrasound produced by a Kármán vortex street
I can't even count the number of friends and relatives I've lost to Kármán vortex street infrasound :(.
We've got to DO something to stop this bloodbath.
The Dylatov Pass incident is one of the more freaky, but lesser known horror events of the 20th century. I'm a paranormal buff and I only learned about it in 2008. Whether the outcome was just the result of a series of unfortunate but scientifically explainable events or something more of the paranormal variety, here are some key takeaways from its Wikipedia page:
-Six of the group members died of hypothermia and three of fatal injuries.
-There were no indications of other people nearby apart from the nine travelers on Kholat Syakhl, nor anyone in the surrounding areas.
-The tent had been ripped open from within.
-The victims had died 6 to 8 hours after their last meal.
-Traces from the camp showed that all group members left the camp of their own accord, on foot.
-To dispel the theory of an attack by the indigenous Mansi people, Dr. Boris Vozrozhdenny stated that the fatal injuries of the three bodies could not have been caused by another human being, "because the force of the blows had been too strong and no soft tissue had been damaged".[2]
-Forensic radiation tests had shown high doses of radioactive contamination on the clothes of a few victims.[2]
-Released documents contained no information about the condition of the skiers' internal organs.
No matter how you slice it (no pun intended), this is some freaky shit.
The infrasound speculation is interesting, but IMHO the known facts appear to support a low-yield nuclear bomb test.
In that hypothesis, which you can read about in the speculative wiki and talk pages, a test of a low-yield warhead launched from Baikonur triggered a small avalanche which induced the hikers to flee and gave some of them pressure injuries.
I recommend you read the Wikipedia pages and judge for yourself. If nothing else, the incident is truly bizarre and the facts and speculation surrounding it make for fascinating reading. The pressure injuries are just the beginning of the strange nature in which these nine people died.
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Occam's Razor says very strongly that we already have a far more likely answer.
Fondly recalling the time I hooked up a speaker to a frequency generator in electronics class and experimented on the rest of the classroom. *evil laugh!*
It really doesn't take very long for people to start weirding out and having strange sensations. The instructor found out and made me stop.
I was unable to prove the existence of the brown note. :_(
Oh the other hand! Maybe I can volunteer to DJ for the next class reunion!! *much grinning and skipping about!*
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What horse shit. So some bird brain thinks they died because they heard a scary sound.
Just WTF.
Well now I know why it's not used for effects in movies, I always thought it was just because speakers to produce infrasound would be too large and expensive for anything except theme parks. I suppose even a horror theme park wouldn't want to cause actual illness. I wonder how close to causing unease and discomfort lower frequencies that modern theaters can play over their sound systems comes to causing these types of effects. *runs off to layer a 20-30hz waveform over a youtube video of kittens* - HEX
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Nobody seems to have put forth a theory that they set up camp, dropped acid or some other very bad drug, went nuts, then got hypothermia, stripped naked and wandered off, hurt themselves walking through the snow while high. Seems really plausible. Perhaps someone should closely examine the life of the one survivor, who would have certainly known about this, but would have had a compelling reason to cover it up from everyone he knew and take the secret to his grave.
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It's FAR more likely they accidentally depolarized the dilithium matrix, resulting in a sudden inversion of the quantum warp field.
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Wouldn't this be very common? Why aren't there more documented incidents of "infrasound" induced hysteria?
Maybe if you're old.
Because they were not IN an avalanche area, and experienced hikers would not set up tents in an avalanche area. So if year heard a rumble you would exit cautiously, knowing that you were in a safe place.
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The explanation is simple..... the researchers came across a secret bunker; they dared open it and go in. They were eventually accosted by teleporting alien creatures who shredded their bodies, ripped out one of theirs' tongues; there was some teleportation and time-travel involved, and finally -- their boddies got dumped on the side of the mountain away from their tent, by the russians. The End.
A number of years ago there was construction of a new housing development going on behind my house. Bulldozers and other heavy equipment all day time. I damn near went insane.
It didn't bother me consciously but I was ridiculous anxious all the time, had horrible "brain fog", couldn't sleep, daytime felt like a dream, panic attacks, etc. It took me several months to figure out what was causing it and that fucking construction went on for nearly 2 years and practically ruined my life. Again, I thought nothing of the sounds and vibration consciously but it triggered some sort of primortal fear response. Probably an evolved natural reaction to earthquakes. Studies show other animals suffer the same way when exposed to low frequencies (eg. windmills).
He was simply echoing what many others have been saying about the incident. Every "weirdness" that was actually documented at the time has a rather mundane explanation.
I read the whole thing before after reading through the facts of the incident.
None of the explanations given make the slightest bit of sense when the actual facts are considered, when you look at the real facts of the thing every single one of the mundane explanations is absurd.
Paradoxial undressing doesn't explain why someone would be wearing SOMEONE ELSE's clothes for example.
But the pointing to an avalanche to explain anything is just really the most idiotic thing of all. It utterly ignores the terrain of the area. It ignores the experience of the hikers (who would not camp in an area that could be affected by an avalanche). Even if there WERE an avalanche it doesn't explain why they would walk, not run, from the camp. In a real avalanche they would simply be gone, not have time to partially dress and then just stroll away. It's also utterly stupid since nothing at all was buried.
The tanning explanation is horrifically stupid, and ignores an entire civilizations history of what happens to corpses after they die. Oh I see it was just a long tan that happened even after they were dead! Try putting a dead body out in the sun under any conditions and see if you can reproduce a tan.
Basically the very existence of that article offends me with such egregious and unnecessary levels of complete idiocy. I am ever sadder that anyone else bought into the pack of poorly made up conjectures.
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You gotta wonder at what stage of our evolution, stampeding in the face of danger was a good thing. Sure the adrenaline from the fight-or-flight reflex is somewhat useful, but the down-sides are pretty damn deadly. I'd rather have full control over my meatputer, which should be my number one asset for resolving deadly situations, not just ten pounds of useless fat.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
my friend, is blowing in the wind.
I find the idea of infrasonics plausible. Certain tribes worship mountaintops for their sounds.
I wonder how long the place has been called Dead Mountain. If it's an indigenous name, then I'd suspect some kind of natural forces (such as a vortex) at work.
When a film producer "believes he has solved the mystery", it usually means he has made up a film he wants to sell.
That they were exploring "the zone", as in "Roadside Picnic".
They were all in the same tent no?
One of the girls yelled "Spider!" or "Mouse!" and panicked, knocking down the tent. Someone cuts the tent open to get out. They all flee, but it's dark and everyone gets turned around, not able to find there way back to the tent
Seriously, once you have some kind of panic event the rest of the events seem to be quite ordinary.
Ah, had the simply not camped in a street, they may have lived.
(still don't know why its a street - Strouhal instability with a von Kármán vortex sheet)
You gotta wonder at what stage of our evolution, stampeding in the face of danger was a good thing.
The stage where we weren't sufficiently smart? Our evolutionary history is very long. We've only been Homo Sapiens for about 200 000 years, Homo for about 2.5 million years, Hominidae for about 15 million. Our ancestors are estimated to have started moving independently about 600 million years ago.
I hadn't heard about this before, so being interested I've read the links in the story, the Wiki page and the Cracked article.
Nearly every story mentions something about the hikers cutting their way out of their tent. From the inside. Hmmmm.
I can't imagine what evidence there is for this. The site was not found for weeks and the photos show that the tent is a shambles. Did they do microscopic examination of the cut fabric and decided that it was sheared from a particular side?
Anyway, after reading all the information I think I'm ready to put this one to bed. The hikers experienced a small avalanche, or the sounds of one, and this lead them to believe they were getting trapped. Since the investigators found footprints around, we can't assume that the tent was burried and then "unburried" in the interval between the event and discovery. I think that no one has appreciated how much influence the behaviour of others has in a stressful situation. It would only have required one or two of the hikers to panic, shouting at their friends in the middle of the night to "get out, we're all going to die" and you would have had everyone piss bolting into the night, wearing whatever little they had.
In the confusion they got separated, some made a fire, and others stumbled into a ravine.
Put a handful of people outside in -20C and you're going to find a whole lot of batshit crazy by the time they die.
All the other speculation about this event is irrelevant. Did a weapon/rocket test cause the avalanche? Did a weapon/rocket create the sensation that there was an avalanche? I don't know. There isn't much evidence for the radiation, but maybe that person was fond of bananas and pissed themselves while it all happened, hence the traces of radiation on their "underwear".
Case closed.
There are many strange circumstances under which group died, but the simple "death from avalanche" theory is still quite plausible, and that's the one described in the first paragraph here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...
The traces of radiation on some clothes could be something that the group picked up on the way to this trip, though the train or train station. (Soviet Union always treated its radioactive materials quite carelessly. There have been instances of people finding dangerously radioactive devices, such as portable electricity generators, out in the wild left out there by the military many years ago.) As for the missing tongue and dark skin, that's something that can happen to a dead recomposing body out in the wild and in freezing temperatures.
So why were some of the hikers' clothes extremely radioactive?
Some folks still think it was local jet traffic that made the noise that scared them all so much that they ran out of the tent, lost their lights and senses of direction, and died of exposure. It's just much more likely than a freak sound event.
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Can anyone explain why the simplest idea is dismissed?
An avalanche (tent half buried), the occupants were covered in snow/water and so they attempted to make the tree line to light a fire to dry out/get warm. Some didnt make it, some got lost and fell down a ravine, and a couple got there (broken branches, right?) but couldnt get a sufficient fire going to ward off the cold.....
Why does that not fit perfectly?
Am I the only one that totally gets a Cthulhu vibe from this story?
I sense an old ones tentacled appendage in this one...
an unknown compelling force indeed!