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NSA Ally Spied on US Law Firm
mendax points out a story at the NY Times about evidence that the Australian Signals Directorate notified the NSA in 2013 that it was spying on discussions between Indonesia and an American law firm. The information gathered by the Directorate included material covered by attorney-client privilege. The Times says:
"Most attorney-client conversations do not get special protections under American law from N.S.A. eavesdropping. Amid growing concerns about surveillance and hacking, the American Bar Association in 2012 revised its ethics rules to explicitly require lawyers to 'make reasonable efforts' to protect confidential information from unauthorized disclosure to outsiders. ... Several newly disclosed documents provide details of the cooperation between the United States and Australia, which share facilities and highly sensitive intelligence, including efforts to break encryption and collect phone call data in Indonesia. Both nations have trade and security interests in Indonesia, where Islamic terrorist groups that threaten the West have bases."
This is about Australia or didn't you catch that? Slashdot is an AMERICAN site. What about Snowden and the NSA?
This is the best example which embodies the core question, of who prevails: is it the law that is above the government or is it the government above the law. This particular example of spying the law firm which was representing one side simply demonstrated that the United States has been thrown back to pre-Magna carta era. Basically, if you pose a shred of risk to the establishment and you are in court, you have no chances to privacy and a fair trial. Magna carta basically stated that even the king is not above the law. Now we no longer have the laws that are not being broken by overzealous eunuchs, who are only laughing at the rest of the population . Most interestingly, last year Supreme court rejected the supreme court case brought by the lawyers about the client-attorney confidentiality citing that such fears are "unsubstantiated". Supreme court is presided by judge John G. Roberts. This is the same judge, John G. Roberts, who is appointing FISA judges and is heavily involved "overseeing". So, he said he was not aware of spying.... What a scum seated as chief justice of the country
> where Islamic terrorist groups that threaten the West have bases
You know if you don't stand up and say enough of this shit its never going to stop. ATM we have a better chance of getting wipped out by a meteor then we do by some bad ass strapped to a bomb. I get almost side swiped at least once per day while driving on the highway. So what if we get attacked once in a while more people are killed by their diets and the chemicals used in food, there's the governmental outrage about these food terrorist companies that are causing serious damage to out health and economy.
On top of that terrorism is good for the economy and populations control.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
Am I to understand, that a lawyer is complaining about something sleazy and underhanded? Really? A lawyer? The same guys who sleaze their way to the top, then get political jobs so they can sleazy their way to the top again? They are the ones complaining about something possible being sleazy happening to them? Really? Let me get you a tissue.
1) Legal
2) Protected
3) Available to anyone with the means, methods, techniques and wherewithal.
End of story.
Move along.
Probably caught the GD lawyers lying through their teeth.
On top of that terrorism is good for the economy and populations control.
Apparently the moderators are pro-terror or they aren't reading the entire comments before promoting them. Did nobody else catch that?
Is about material provided in confidence that cannot be used in court.
There's no reason the appropriate authorities can't listen in, if there is reasonable suspicion that the lawyer may be complicit in a future criminal act.
There have been cases where the lawyer became complicit in a later crime. case in point: Lynne Stewart. Who perhaps should have been sentenced to death for her treasonous actions.
Attorney-client privilege protects information pertaining to their case and legal advise. It doesn't protect against prosecution for conspiring with the lawyer, or using the lawyer as a channel to commit further crimes.
Every time you read one of these stories, and are (hopefully) a little bit outraged at how the NSA has dropped every pretense of complying with our Constitution, and has embraced the most despicable aspects of tyrannical rule without any notion of "national defense", you should remember that without the heroic acts of a single young man, and the tireless efforts of a shamefully small handful of journalists and publishers, we would either be ignorant of these monstrous acts or vulnerable to charges of paranoia.
We now have proof, and government doesn't even deign to make false denials. We have government officials calling for the assassination of Edward Snowden and some of the journalists with whom he entrusted these documents. We have everything we need to make a decision about whether we really consent to be governed in this way.
There has never been a perfect hero outside of myth. But there are necessary heroes, and Snowden is one of those.
You are welcome on my lawn.
From TFA:
The Australians have obtained nearly 1.8 million encrypted master keys, which are used to protect private communications, from the Telkomsel mobile telephone network in Indonesia
Anyone know what this is about? What are that master keys, and what protocol is using them?
"How's that 'hopey-changey' stuff workin' out for ya?"
The Broken Window Fallacy.
It's bad enough the Attorney General sanctioned the DoD's NSA to violate the 4th Amendment rights of 300 million Americans to assist in the "potential" investigations his civilian DoJ might need to conduct should they commit a crime. Now they admit to violating law and snooping on the attorneys of those persecuted? Where's this generations Lee Harvey Oswald when he is actually needed?
NSA and Signals Intelligence has the ability to spy on clients and attorneys in jail, in their cells, in court, and in the attorneys office. Signals Intel has the ability to do a variety of imaing techniques, inluding extracting and monitoring thought via Remote Neural Monitoring and TAMI, which is built into satellites and radar. It has many many miles range, and they can also see and hear you through the walls. Juries can also be spied on, along with the judges, and the DA and judges and court officers are usually in on it.
Signals intel does electron imaging from remote locations. They have mind reading and mind altering radar, and atomic grade long range laser microphones, thermal and radar imaging of objects/particles/people, and also human and electronics electrical activity monitoring, tracking, and decoding.
Details at http://www.oregonstatehospital...
No information, human memory, or communcation can be kept private from these guys. Set ups, black operations, spy games, mind control on the public and deception is all around us. You cannot infiltrate their game because they know whos after them, and I am telling you they are able to track and monitor this shit well.
Fuck beta.
If they are spying on "everybody" then naturally they have not left anybody out? They just better hurry up and release a story about spying on homos. The NSA doesn't want to be called homophobes and have men in make-up demonstrating outside the NSA building do they? Hey! cannot hold the victim status if they are left out of this! Oh and don't forget Jesse Jackson, what ever you do NSA. Thank you Philip. http://child-porn-hacking-and-...
In a country where it's officially believed that the polygraph is Wonder Woman's lasso of truth it shouldn't amaze me so much that people are taking this shit seriously.
I suggest strstr that you consider reality instead because it's scary enough without going past the wall of voodoo. Real stuff on the public record is able to listen in at range in a variety of situations - for example Theremin's passive bug found in a US Embassy in the 1950's (something about it is on wikipedia somewhere).
Also you should keep in mind the Snowden situation - all those toys don't help much if toy soldiers are using them. Incompetence of the trackers is keeping you from being tracked everywhere.
No information, human memory, or communcation can be kept private from these guys. Set ups, black operations, spy games, mind control on the public and deception is all around us. You cannot infiltrate their game because they know whos after them, and I am telling you they are able to track and monitor this shit well.
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Which kind of explains why senior Australian and American politicians have been in Indonesia recently..
Hate to be the Australian Ambassador to Indonesia at the moment..
Rumour has it that the Indonesians regularly send encrypted birthday greetings for Australian operatives so we will probably just end up with another round of mock outrage and contrition from both sides and then it will be back to the cricket..
I think that its a shame Shirley Temple Black is dead because now there is no one to lead a global round of "Good ship lollypop."
Did the NSA rearrange bits on the law firm's cable-connected computers?
That would be a key constitutional trip line.
The stock tips those guys must have, I mean there's no disclosure of what they monitored so proving insider trading is not only difficult, it would require national security secrecy if there were any sort of trail to expose. The NSA stated their goal was to capture and decrypt all business traffic including stock trades. I guess I should just go apply for a job.
The correct word is partner. The reason they have the five eyes )Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States) is so that they can work their ways around laws in one country by having another country do the spying then sharing the information back to the country that wanted the data to begin with. It's all about getting around the laws and as the article said "The bulletin notes only that the counsel’s office “provided clear guidance” and that the Australian agency “has been able to continue to cover the talks, providing highly useful intelligence for interested US customers.”"
That means that the information was provided to American intelligence agencies and that they are violating the clear prohibition against spying on Americans.
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They haven't been able to do another 9/11 style attack since. And their organization has been decimated. It would be nice if Snowden and the media didn't tell them how to avoid detection and prevent the NSA from having the resources to catch bad people. There are still plenty of them out there, and most don't come out and say it ahead of time.
The only bad one is the climate negotiation spying so far, but that is the fault of diplomats not knowing proper opsec.
The only thing I blame the NSA for is trusting Microsoft to secure these documents and for letting a rat like this in.
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> ... , where Islamic terrorist groups that threaten the West have bases."
Yes, and regularly negotiate trade agreements with these terrorists, in this case for buying shrimps (the Buba Gump kind) as was the case for the spying here.
After the Snowden leak has shown that instead of professionals it's full of politically well connected toy soldier horse judges that couldn't find their arse with an atlas you still believe that?