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Meet Ununseptium, Best Contender Yet For Element 117

From Motherboard comes this description of what may turn out to be the newest entry on the periodic table, newly synthesized element 117, created by researchers at the GSI Helmholtz Centre for Heavy Ion Research of Darmstadt, Germany, and described in results published this week in Physical Review Letters. From the article: "Element 117 has been temporarily given the very literal name ununseptium (one-one-seven in Latin), and will only honored with a real name once the the International Union of Pure and Applied Physics and Chemistry (IUPAPC) confirms its synthesis at the GSI accelerator. Ununseptium is 40 percent heavier than lead, making it on par with the heaviest atoms ever observed. ... Its properties seem to confirm that the existence of the so-called “island of stability”—a theory suggesting that the half-lives of superheavy isotopes will lengthen as their atomic numbers increase further away from uranium. Any element with an atomic number greater than 103 is considered superheavy (or in the 'transactinide class,' if you prefer the scientific jargon). Transactinides can only be observed artificially in a laboratory, and synthesizing them is no easy task." Note: that "real name" process isn't a mere formality; just a few years ago, another attempt to synthesize a 117th element looked promising enough to be declared done, but could not be confirmed with the IUPAPC's tests.

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  1. Link to paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.112.172501

    Posting as AC so as not to karma-whore.
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    1. Re:Link to paper by Esteanil · · Score: 0

      Hm, that got score 0...

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    2. Re:Link to paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hm, that got score 0...

      Thats because /. still has this weird idea that the point of the moderation system is to give people karma, rather than to up-vote good comments, and consider up-modding an AC to be "wasting karma".

      IIRC, slashcode does track karma for ACs (through their IP), it just doesn't do anything with it.

    3. Re:Link to paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Old news....I've got a unit of super-heavy element with a half-life of 78 seconds right here!

    4. Re:Link to paper by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      "4 informative" now.

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  2. Link to paper by Esteanil · · Score: 5, Informative
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  3. 40% heavier than lead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trying to think of some practical applications for this discovery. Perhaps this would be better than depleted uranium in anti tank ammo, or as shielding from radiation on long space journeys?

    1. Re:40% heavier than lead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since these aren't naturally occurring, they have to be created, and it's not done in any mass quantities.

    2. Re:40% heavier than lead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      with a halflife of 78 miliseconds that seems unlikely.

      it would not only be all gone within a second, it would kill everybody around it. (the half life and radiation are directly and inversely related)

    3. Re:40% heavier than lead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just because the atoms are 40% heavier doesn't mean the bulk material (if ignoring half-life issues) will be 40% denser. Osmium is still 10% denser than uranium, and uranium is 30% denser than californium.

    4. Re:40% heavier than lead by Phroon · · Score: 5, Informative

      The "40% heavier" actually refers to atomic weight, not density. By density, Tungsten is ~70% heaver than lead, Depleted Uranium about 68%. Tungsten's atomic wight is actually ~10% lighter than Lead's. Bulk density is about arrangement of the electrons and the resulting packing of atoms in the solid.

    5. Re:40% heavier than lead by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      Tungsten is about the best you're gonna get if you want to buy something really heavy (almost twice as heavy as lead), that's easily available to the general public, relatively cheap, and non-toxic. I went and just bought this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tungst...

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    6. Re:40% heavier than lead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn! I was going to say the same..

    7. Re:40% heavier than lead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "40% heavier" actually refers to atomic weight, not density. By density, Tungsten is ~70% heaver than lead, Depleted Uranium about 68%. Tungsten's atomic wight is actually ~10% lighter than Lead's. Bulk density is about arrangement of the electrons and the resulting packing of atoms in the solid.

      Yeah, and I wonder why they even bothered with it? Was it the lightest element they thought joe everybody would think was "heavy"? And "on par with the heaviest elements", suggests some sort of progress made acceptably. It's terrible writing. Just say "It is one of the heaviest elements ever imagined." if you must get some sensationalism out of the story.

  4. Worst movie line ever by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 3, Funny

    From a scientific point of view anyway. From Predator 2: "This doesn't correspond to anything on the periodic table." Really? I'd propose naming a new element Hollywoodium but I think that would introduce more problems than it would solve.

    1. Re:Worst movie line ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it was made out of unobtanium and they just didn't know it yet?

    2. Re:Worst movie line ever by ninlilizi · · Score: 2

      My votes in for Unobtanium

    3. Re:Worst movie line ever by sconeu · · Score: 2

      Yeah, Hollywood would insist on DRM in the periodic table.

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    4. Re:Worst movie line ever by tragedy · · Score: 1

      That one bothered me at the time. Since then I've become more relaxed about it. There are actually a lot of possibilities for solid matter that aren't on the periodic table. Things like exotic purely non-baryonic matter, or combinations of baryonic and non-baryonic matter. Atoms with electrons replaced by Muons, for example. Many of the theoretical ideas for such exotic forms of matter have been ruled out, but there's a still a _lot_ out there. We are not yet remotely at the point where we can know for sure what might be possible. We're not even remotely at the point where we know everything that's possible in normal chemistry, after all, so why should exotic materials be any different.

    5. Re:Worst movie line ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshitium?

    6. Re:Worst movie line ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Atoms with electrons replaced by Muons, for example.

      You just blew my mind off!
      Would muons dwell in orbitals having same energy levels as electrons? I guess not. Could we mix them with electrons in single atom and how would it affect chemistry if you had muons in inner shells of atoms? What would happen if you had a muon caught in outer shell of a halogen - would it descend "down", pushing out electrons, emitting photons with wavelength equivalent to difference in total energy? What would replacing all electrons with muons mean for conductivity of materials?
      I guess we can't put our hands on as many muons as we would need for such experiments.

    7. Re:Worst movie line ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aye, such an element would repeatedly reboot the particle accelerator.

  5. I do hope they find a better name. by Rambo+Tribble · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ununseptium sounds like a nasal condition caused by the consumption of cocaine.

    1. Re:I do hope they find a better name. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Ununseptium was the ruler of Tamriel in The Elder Scrolls games

    2. Re:I do hope they find a better name. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was actually the name of his political party: UnunTiberSeptium. The opposition party, of course, being UnTiberSeptium. Ol' Tiber wasn't very original. I guess when you're King you don't have to be, though. "It's good ta be the king."

    3. Re:I do hope they find a better name. by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      It'll eventually get a "real" name. This is the temporary IUPAC systematic name.

    4. Re:I do hope they find a better name. by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Ununseptium's name has been up for debate for years.

      Hell, I'm surprised this thread hasn't even suggested one based on Halo - Master Chief's designation number was, after all, 117. (He is "officially" known as John-117, or Spartan-117, depending on whether you want to personify him or not).

      Every other thread on Uus has suggested it.

  6. Half life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Does anybody know the half life?

    1. Re:Half life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes.

    2. Re:Half life? by ACELLC · · Score: 1

      Yes.

      I needed a little chuckle. Thank you sir.

    3. Re:Half life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How was this modded informative? Funny, yes; informative, no.

  7. What the hell do you mean 'best contender'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Does it have 117 protons or not?!

  8. The best contender yet... by Brucelet · · Score: 2

    Well with a name like that, it's not like there was much competition. Ununhexium tried, but he just didn't have enough in him.

    1. Re:The best contender yet... by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      He wasn't positive enough!

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  9. sounds too much like unobtainium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The new element sounds like the mythical and incredibly expensive material IBM uses to manufacture incredibly expensive and easily breakable parts: Unobtainium. You can't get anything that is similar. The part is unique, fragile, and worth millions per copy (half the cost of the entire assembly).

  10. Re:Counting protons... like so many sheep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll be honest, I had to read that a few times to really understand the thought process behind it, but that's a really interesting, and entirely plausible classification... I need to do more research.

  11. Meanwhile.. by _hAZE_ · · Score: 2

    Meanwhile, the "IUPAPC" was still operating under their very literal name, International Union of Pure and Applied Physics and Chemistry. They have applied with the Advanced Center Reportedly Of Naming Your Movement (ACRONYM), however the application is still pending certification.

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    1. Re:Meanwhile.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last I heard IUPAPC's bacronym was denied for similarity: ACRONYM Chemical Research Only Needs Your Money.

    2. Re:Meanwhile.. by ramorim · · Score: 1

      Last I heard IUPAPC's bacronym was denied for similarity: ACRONYM Chemical Research Only Needs Your Money.

      So, that's a Recursive ACRONYM :)

  12. Don't get your hopes up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think Spartainum-117 is a pretty cool element,
    Eh kills aleins and doesn't afraid of anything.

    However, Elerium was supposed to be 115, and they just wouldn't let it happen, so...

  13. Ununtrium 113 by 12WTF$ · · Score: 2

    Hereby declare support for naming Ununtrium (element 113) as:

    Pixarium

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  14. Daltonium by GrahamCox · · Score: 1

    It's an obvious thing, yet apparently wilfully ignored: Dalton, the first scientist to come up with a recognisable modern atomic theory, is not honoured in the naming of the elements, yet all sorts of (no doubt worthy, but obscure) physicists have been, and even having their universities honoured (Berkelium, Lawrencium, etc). It's really about time this oversight was corrected. Personally I feel it should have been done for something a lot more common and 'early', but as we're now mopping up the tail-enders, so be it.
    Let's hear it for Daltonium!

    1. Re:Daltonium by captainpanic · · Score: 1

      Dalton already has a unit named after him (the unit used to indicate atomic/molecular mass), although it is not an SI unit...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...

  15. Star Wars Day by CanEHdian · · Score: 1

    It's May the 4th, this element has the highest Protonian count ever observed, so I suggest Anakinium.

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  16. Re:Counting protons... like so many sheep by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

    I'll be honest, I had to read that a few times to really understand the thought process behind it, but that's a really interesting, and entirely plausible classification... I need to do more research.

    (We're talking about THIS MESSAGE , in case Slashdot's moderators have completely hidden it from view) Thanks kindly for reading it. I feel like I'm in a schoolyard surrounded by bullies. For one thing, you cannot mention sheep these days without jabbing emotional buttons and hasty readers think you are trying to be insulting and lobbing -1 Flamebait epithets at people. Sheep as in counting sheep. We're talking about ordinal numbers, counting sheep. I'm not trying to insult anyone! Get it? Good. Baaaah.

    Numerical prime-ness also crops up in dimension count. We directly perceive the existence of a 'stable' 3-dimensional space. The most elaborate universe model that has yet been constructed on a backboard is M-Theory and Supersymnetry which posits a maximum of 11 dimensions of spacetime which may include 7 higher dimensions, interaction between membranes of 2 and 5 dimensions --- I'm not trying to knit it all together or declare it sound, merely pointing out the obvious prevalence of primes.

    So is our reality built upon a quiet firmament of ordinal components... like a delicate machine constructed by a patient hand on a table in a room somewhere, which is sending you down the rabbit hole again because you have to ask, where did all that order come from?

    Or does our reality consist a stable island in a sea of chaos, its apparent-stability arising from the perfect mathematical resonance of primes that cannot be factored? Perhaps... the exchange of energies in higher-than-three dimensions creating a fractal noise that would have reduced everything to noise, by a process akin to factorization, if it were not for the meta-existence of prime-ness?

    That's the question I'm having a difficult time putting out to everyone here.

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  17. Naming by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

    I again politely ask the next door scientists to consider naming the new element for the castle ruin just south of Darmstadt. Frankensteinium has such a nice ring to it.

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  18. Misread the title for Unobtainium by protoporos · · Score: 1

    For a moment there, I thought they discovered Unobtainium and thought... wtf, we'll be drilling for the core of the earth soon... :)

  19. Element 117? Johnium perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Johnium, referencing the Halo series of course. The Master Chief is also known as John-117.
    And last I checked, there isn't an element starting with ''J'' yet.

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