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ICANN CEO Wants To Make Progress On Leaving US Control
itwbennett writes: ICANN CEO Fadi Chehadé hopes to make progress on preparations to take over running the world's central DNS servers from the U.S. government's National Telecommunications and Information Agency when the organization meets in London next week. 'I think this is a meeting where the ICANN community has to deal with the fact, the good fact, that its relationship with the U.S. government, which characterized its birth, its existence and growth, has now run its course,' Chehadé said.
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Cut all the cables connecting the US to the Internet. It'll be fun to see what breaks, eh.
The article is NOT about the DNS, although it is certainly about something extremely important: IANA.
NTIA (US gov agency) *asked* ICANN to provide a plan for the *stewardship* of IANA to move to ICANN.
ICANN is already the IANA *functions* contractor (i.e. it takes care of the operational arm of IANA), _and_ the global DNS coordinator.
That's it.
ICANN, when it was started, touted itself as an organization for everyone
They even issue "membership cards" to those who registered --- I did, and still have that membership card with me
But then it changed --- changed into a bureaucracy that only listen to the power-that-be, be it the government or the corporations
I mean, why aren't there more DNS listings? We could have ten of every domain. Chose your domain list! I mean, it's really not that tough.
Have it everywhere - follow no one county's law. Just try to do it in less a spirit of screwing everyone, everywhere.
The relationship between the United States of America and Internet is like those of a landlord and property renter
What NSA did was akin to the landlord peeking through the keyhole, spying on the privacy on those who stay inside
It's a good initiative that will move things to the better. The U.S can't be trusted in this position any more.
I predict we will look back on this transition as the end of the open Internet.
The move is rather symbolic. Economic espionage is too important. US economy is failing, jobs are only created in financial sector and military.
Dissidents are put in jail. No wonder US has the largest number of its own population in Gitmo style jails.
The shelf life of ICANN CEO Fadi Chehadé is measured by hours.
No even his family connection and bank accounts, THANK YOU, can save his soul.
Tough.
ICANN had the chance to really address this issue when they had the at-large members of its governing board. It would have had representatives from every continent and major group of people from the Earth, but now it is run by major corporations and a joke of an organization.
Just look up how Karl Auerbach was treated by ICANN (when he was a legal member of the board asking basic questions about its governance and finances), where he had to sue in state courts of California simply to get basic information like when meetings were being held and how its finances were being spent.
US government doesn't want, so don't even involve them unless you're simply telling them what you're about to do. US citizens tend to be nice people, but our government is a big gigantic predator. So do what you're gonna do, but realize the US government will only pretend to be negotiating, it's a delaying tactic.
I'm barely familiar with the facts at all, but I gaurantee I'm correct.
ICANN screwed up when they started adding superfluous TLD's.
The United States is the reason that Australia doesn't have an army. It's the reason that Israel has not preemptively attacked its neighbors.
And as much as people would like to pretend that having China (the land of censorship) and Russia (the land of oligarchs) vote on international decisions in the security council is just, most people around the world feel reassured that the strings of the world are in America's hands.
Even in France, where the phrase "Sarkozy the American" was used in 2006 to malign the presidential candidate, and where people habitually mock America for being trigger-happy and acultural, people find assurance in the fact that if something really bad happened, the Americans would come to the rescue, again.
Having the US control the central DNS servers is not perfect, but the best solution given the balance of power in the world.
uhhh... as a taxpayer in america since our govt built and designed the internet. i feel that its mine and every other taxpayers investment.
The whole thing doesn't make any sense at all. Let each country do it's own DNS as it sees fit and via treaty and alliances align those DNS records as they see fit. As long as the IP address work the DNS is nothing more than simplifying address entry with a gross corporatised delusion of economic value (marketing, marketing and more marketing, brand names, squatters, sex sells, hell it even sells domain names). At the end of the day it is still up to the individual user where the hell they point the browser in domain name lookup and the major ISPs haven't even started playing the DNS name game by forcefully pointing their customers at internal DNS servers with a new for sale yet again Domain name.
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
ICANN has shown itself irresponsible in looking after public interest. Instead they squeeze every buck they can out of their monopoly. Would Chehadé prefer it if ICANN was answerable to no one?
Each country could.... which is sort of the reason for the country TLD code. There is even a ".us" domain for American addresses (not that it is used much, but it does exist). I suppose a country could have its DNS servers ignore .com or .mil TLD codes in favor of stuff done in its own borders, but then it wouldn't really be the internet either, would it? One way to accomplish that is to redirect .com to .com.us as is sometimes done with some other countries like .co.uk as the top level domain for UK-based businesses. It would make things confusing if it was unevenly implemented, but that is sort of the nature of the internet in the first place.
Besides, this whole thing isn't about domain names, but rather the allocation of IPv4 addresses and the big issue of IPv6 allocation. The USA got the lion share of IPV4 addresses because many American companies got them first, and back when nobody thought that there could possibly be more than four billion computers and devices on the internet, they were a whole lot more free with the allocation of the address space (like the local university where I live has a full Class-B IP block allocation... although I'm sure they've "given" a few Class-C blocks back to ICANN over the years). They don't even refer to them as Class-A, B, or C blocks any more either but rather in how many bits are in the "header", as in a /16 or a /24 block. IPv6 does the same thing.
If IP address allocation was done on a country by country basis, it would be pure confusion when computers try to connect to each other (also confusion if countries each implemented DNS records differently, but I digress on that point). The crazy thing is that the U.S. government was originally responsible for allocating both the IP addresses as well as domain names, which is how ICANN inherited the job.... as an organ of the U.S. federal government and later a California-based non-profit corporation. Other countries could invent their own version of the internet, but they wouldn't be participating on this particular network you are currently using to read this message.
If your country (presumably not the USA) wants to change that relationship, have its diplomats and political leaders negotiate something different with the U.S. government. It really is that simple, and I guess what this guy wants to do in this case too. America could give up the control it currently has in this regard, but when have you ever heard of a politician giving up political control over somebody else?
if other nations want to limit google searches to only "favorable" found sets, then HELL NO do not give away control over the internet.
Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
IANA ?
I Am Not A what?
They had such a good deal here... all they had to do was not abuse it... and the fucktards in the US federal government just couldn't help themselves.
At this point, I'd welcome the dissolution of the republic. Let all the states go off and be 50 little countries. They can reform after the fact into larger conglomerates or federations if they want. But the US fed is consuming itself with a malignant belief in its own superiority.
They're endlessly arrogant. They think no rules apply to them because they make the rules. Even when the rules say whatever they're doing is outright illegal all they do is say something to the effect of "what are you going to do about it?"... And the answer of course is nothing... no one can slap cuffs on these people because they're the ones with the cuffs. No one watches the watch men as they say.
So I'm done. I'm not pushing for anarchy or whatever... but the US federal government is cesspit... De-authorize it and start over.
And because I'm paranoid enough to assume some government spider has flagged this as possibly seditious commentary. I'm not advocating violence which would be the only justification for your heavy handed abuses of power. I'm advocating passive resistance, any and all legal challenges that can slow you down, and if all else fails "going galt"... The machine is corrupt. Wipe the drive and reinstall from the factory discs. Short of that... I'll comply as required nothing more. American patriotism is increasingly difficult to justify especially if it involves loyalty to these criminals.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
Ah, I don't think that's a good idea. If we had "Let each country do it's own DNS as it sees fit" then DNS itself would never have arisen. And if we permitted that now, I feel relatively certain that DNS would eventually split into mutually incompatible implementations.
If all we're talking about is the sales of DNS entries then that's no problem. However once you allow the structure of DNS, the very rules that govern the system to have multiple bosses, one per country, that's bad news. In short order the political differences between jurisdictions like Iran, Iraq, the US, Russia, China, Brazil, North Korea, and all the others will cause a splintering of the underpinnings of the internet.
There is far more benefit to having single points of regulatory and standards control (with consultation), than not. The success of the internet is all the proof we need of that.
Right now, the US is beholden to popularity. If they do something unpopular, there is always the club over their heads about the control of the Net moving to the UN.
However, lets think a moment about this. Yes, the NSA might peep through the keyhole (and got caught), but what about a landlord who doesn't like your race, religion, sexual preference, or the fact that you have an "I love DOS" bumper sticker, and the landlord kicking you out without warning, taking your rent, and telling you to blow him or sue him?
If control of the Internet moves to the UN, instead of the US, your Internet presence will live or die to fall to the whims of the loudest and most belligerent, extreme, and brutal parties who make the most noise. They can shut your site down because it doesn't confirm to other country's religious beliefs, and there is no way to ever appeal it. Right now, if the US shut down a Russian site, it would be considered an act of war [1].
Now, if the UN does this, there is nothing any country can do. They are completely and utterly fucked, other than maybe having their own, separate Internet structure like Iran has. The only recourse is banging a shoe in a UN meeting and making some type of political trade to get access restored.
So, don't wish for something unless you know the ramifications. Your favorite sites might be labelled as violating some religion's tenants or laws in some other country and pulled off the Internet without any form of recourse.
[1]: Want to know why SOPA/PIPA got shelved? Various countries made it clear that dropping their sites will be treated the exact same way as a naval blockade, and would be responded as such.
You kind of missed that whole treaties and alliances bit, didn't you ;). Those countries that work together will make it work, those that don't wont get to play. All the central body needs to do is register and acknowledge those treaties and alliances. The US really screwed the pooch when they nabbed .gov and .mil and so supremely arrogantly pretend like .gov.us and .mil.us don't exist to the point of not even redirecting them, as they as they are concerned they are the global government and the global military. Which is exactly why other countries need to take over .gov and .mil and locally redirect them to their own government and military. So another centralised control to be run from behind by US corporations, nah, not liking that idea much at all.
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
..and you'll probably die from a hearth attack shortly after.
Meshnets are the future of a free and open internet. A network created and maintained by it's users. A network whos hardware and ability is owned by individuals. The seeds have been planted and some are starting to germinate. When the current infrastructure turns into the massive pile of shit that we all see coming, people will seek an alternative. There is an alternative and it's progressing even now.
You know the top level domains are generic don't you? The US is domain squatting ".mil" and ".gov".
".us" is the correct domain for country specific domains in the US.
AC from above here.
I wasn't trying to belittle what you are promoting.
I haven't actually used your hosts file but if that is the solution you are toting then I agree 100% that it is a superior method than software and browser add-ons.
All I was saying was that the bold on and off is a quite flashy ("ADHDish") in some of your posts and may dissuade people from trying your creation.
That's all. If you still think I'm being snide towards you then you can gfy. But if not, carry on. Was merely offering a suggestion.
You kind of missed that whole treaties and alliances bit, didn't you ;).
No, I didn't miss that. What you missed is that it is already under the control of the U.S. government, which makes such international treaties a total joke that can be thrown out the door at any time by the USA. It is up to other countries to try and negotiate through diplomatic pressure or however else to get the USA to give it up.
This includes the .mil and .gov stuff. Then again they could throw the internet protocols and standards out the window and start their own damn network too. Good luck with that.
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It is nothing at all to do with the US, it is quite simply up to countries to legislate to local ISPs to point to local DNS servers by default and how those local DNS servers are run is up to those government. Nothing more and nothing less, so the imperialist US government can basically bugger off with it servers until such time as they come to agreement with other countries. Otherwise all those companies that invested in international but seized by US imperialist domains can complain to the US about their lost investment.
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
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Me?
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