Australian Government Moving Forward With Anti-Piracy Mandate For ISPs

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Australian Government Moving Forward With Anti-Piracy Mandate For ISPs

Posted by timothy on Friday July 25, 2014 @05:00PM from the sniff-it-sniff-all-of-it dept.

angry tapir (1463043) writes Australia is moving closer to a regime under which ISPs will be forced to block access to websites whose "dominant purpose" is to facilitate copyright violations. A secret government discussion paper (PDF) has been leaked and proposes a system of website blocking and expanded liability for ISPs when it comes to "reasonable steps that can be taken ... to discourage or reduce online copyright infringement."

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Australia Deserves it. by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 17:04 · Score: 1, Informative

Spineless citizenry deserves an oppressive government. Don't worry they'll keep you safe in your digital cage.
1. Re:Australia Deserves it. by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · 2014-07-25 17:19 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  Good thing the government took their guns away first.
2. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Panoptes · 2014-07-25 17:34 · Score: 1
  
  It's good to see that the spirit of Sir Les Patterson lives on. Looks like Ozzy politicians are even more short-sighted and dumber than the sorry bunch of venal no-hopers currently running Westminster.
3. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 17:39 · Score: 0
  
  It's good to see that the spirit of Sir Les Patterson lives on. Looks like Ozzy politicians are even more short-sighted and dumber than the sorry bunch of venal no-hopers currently running Westminster.
  The Queen runs us all!! Muwahahahaha!
4. Re:Australia Deserves it. by jeIIomizer · 2014-07-25 17:44 · Score: 2
  
  Spineless citizenry deserves an oppressive government.
  Well, then most of my fellow citizens in the US definitely deserve the oppressive government we have. But what about the ones who are actually trying to change things? The problem is, you often get stuck with the government that other people deserve.
  
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5. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 17:58 · Score: 0
  
  You're confused, it is Progressives that love the violence. It gives them an excuse to call for more state intervention and programs, and less freedom. Why do you think they put programs in place to break up minority families?
6. Re:Australia Deserves it. by whoever57 · 2014-07-25 18:01 · Score: 1
  
  Looks like Ozzy politicians are even more short-sighted and dumber than the sorry bunch of venal no-hopers currently running Westminster.
  I wouldn't be too sure of that: Tory MP says astrology is good for the health "David Tredinnick, a member of Commons committees on health and science, says Britain should look to the stars to improve the nation's health"
  
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7. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 18:10 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Good thing the government took their guns away first
  Like all the gun-totin' cowboys in the US of A have made a difference.
  Your corporates have stolen your economic future and sold it to themselves, your governement is all over you like a rash, your brothers, sisters, sons and daughters are sent to fake wars just to siphon a few trillion taxpayer dollars to corrupt military contractors, Every so-called security agency spies and blackmails you NSA, FBI, TSA, Police, Whatever, they're all out of your control. Lobbyists buy politicians to bring in SOPA/CISPA or whatever you're calling it this month etc etc,..
  ...and how many shots have you fired to defend your liberty?
  Thing is, all you chubby gun nuts spouting the second amendment and claiming you needed automatic weapons to protect yourselves from government abuses have just proved you're all intestine and no fortitude.
  Weak.
8. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 18:10 · Score: 0
  
  Given that both major political parties in Australia have been skirting this legislation it's going to happen eventually.
  And before people start singing the: "There's more than two parties..." line... I know. I didn't vote for either. Sadly though, while we can't 'waste' a vote ( http://chickennation.com/website_stuff/cant-waste-vote/web-700-cant-waste-vote-SINGLE-IMAGE.png ), you don't always get what you want :/
9. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Opportunist · 2014-07-25 19:07 · Score: 1, Insightful
  
  Now why would that matter? Seriously. Why would it?
  If you planned to overthrow government with armed forces, I somehow don't think "gee, I'm not allowed to have a gun, let's forget about it" is the train of thought you'd follow...
  
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  We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
10. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 19:11 · Score: 0
  
  And that would leave you as a fevered (anti-gun) nutter.
11. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Opportunist · 2014-07-25 19:20 · Score: 2
  
  What he tried to explain, and allow me to drive it home bluntly so it gets through some thick skulls: A right is pointless if you neither exercise it nor defend it. A right is never self serving. And whether you have it or not is not even being tested until you try to exercise it.
  Essentially you can have any right, as long as you don't test it, you don't even know whether you'll really have it or not. Take the 3rd. Yes, the 3rd amendment. You know, the one where you needn't house soldiers. It's a bit silly today, ain't it? I mean, let's be reasonable here, if the country can't house its soldiers anymore... but let's take it as an example since it's one of the amendment nobody really gives a shit about anymore. As much as the Quartering Act (where the Brits forced the colonies to house soldiers whenever they pleased) was one of the reasons for the rebellion, there really is not any use for that particular amendment anymore.
  But do you know whether it really applies? Or are there just no soldiers kicking you out of their bed and proclaiming it theirs 'cause the state currently has enough barracks? Sure, it's not the best example considering how easily the state could avoid infringing in this constitutional law, all it takes is build some kind of shelter for its soldiers.
  But let's take a step back and look at the second. Do you have it? Or do you have it as long as you're not really a nuisance, much akin to the first where you're allowed to practice your free speech today mostly where you cannot be heard? The funny (or not so funny) thing is that the first WAS tested. And now we have "free speech zones".
  I guess should anyone ever test the second, we'll get "free shooting zones".
  
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12. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Opportunist · 2014-07-25 19:24 · Score: 1
  
  I can only agree. Swindling idiots out of their money is easy work with little stress and guaranteed to not result in burn out.
  
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  We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
13. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Dutch+Gun · 2014-07-25 19:58 · Score: 1
  
  Yeah, being repressed sucks.
  
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14. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 20:33 · Score: 0
  
  No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
  So, it's okay in time of war as long as it's in a manner prescribed by law?
15. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Wootery · 2014-07-25 21:06 · Score: 1
  
  Why do you think they put programs in place to break up minority families?
  What?
16. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Wootery · 2014-07-25 21:11 · Score: 1
  
  I think the idea is to make it clear the military doesn't get to just run amok and do as they please.
17. Re:Australia Deserves it. by SuricouRaven · 2014-07-25 22:27 · Score: 1
  
  I read a lot of right-wing websites, and yet I still can't figure out what he means. Some sort of criticism of social security, I would guess.
18. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Opportunist · 2014-07-25 22:31 · Score: 1
  
  Considering we're currently pretty much constantly at war, it should be trivial to get around that amendment.
  
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19. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 22:56 · Score: 0
  
  By "run amok" are you thinking about things like the My Lai Massacre?
  
  Nothing says "we are hear to help" like raping women and murdering babies.
20. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 23:03 · Score: 0
  
  Similar to how your government does a full body scan to keep you safe on your next flight?
  In other countries only fully qualified medical Doctors can scan children, lest it be considered child pornography.
  
  After things like snowden, TSA, the 100 mile Fourth Amendment exclusion zone I see a lot of spined citizens protesting (with guns too).
21. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 23:26 · Score: 0
  
  What cartoon are you from? One with some parallel universe? Sounds like you live in T.V. Land.( probably Australia, where they obviously believe any crap fed them on the tube)
22. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 23:28 · Score: 0
  
  Is that some T.V. drama they play over there? No idea what you're talking about.
23. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Ol+Olsoc · 2014-07-25 23:29 · Score: 0
  
  Thing is, all you chubby gun nuts spouting the second amendment and claiming you needed automatic weapons to protect yourselves from government abuses have just proved you're all intestine and no fortitude.
  Weak.
  Ammosexuals, the lot of 'em.
  
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24. Re:Australia Deserves it. by flyneye · 2014-07-25 23:58 · Score: 2
  
  A right would be pointless if there were never an occasion to use it. So far the existence of the right has made an environment where its exercise has not yet been necessary.It serves the people well.
  The 3rd is reflective of the times during the Revolutionary War in which the Kings troops were billeted in houses of common people who were forced to feed and shelter their oppressors. This of course will also apply to domestic troops, police, NSA, or anyone in government. It was a concern once, who is to say it couldn't be in the future as well. Like I say, the right creates an environment.
  I personally like living in a place where I can say what I choose, right or wrong, to anyone, anytime without fear of repercussions based on their office, class, religion, ethnicity and if there is; I can sue the pants off them in court and make a public spectacle of them. I notice this right gets plenty of exercise.
  Open carry of weapons has always been around, but seldom used. Rural places have farmers that will carry a pistol on their hip, now and then,(like an old uncle or two of mine, and my grandfather as well) to ward off rattlesnakes, skunks, badgers or the neighbors illegal Mexican farmhands burgling outbuildings, neighbors dog raiding the chickenhouse,( all of which actually occurred) etc. I can recall seeing one walk into the bank to do business, without raising anyones eyebrows, with a revolver on his hip. Today, with concealed carry and the training that accompanies it, I hear many MORE tales of those defending their selves, family and property, successfully. Occasionally I will hear of misadventures, but then, if you license a nation to drive, you will occasionally have collisions, so what?
  If you actually use logic on the situation, the nuts are those who would deny people the right to defend themselves and their families. There is NO defense for this stance that doesn't arise from selfish fear placed in their heads by the ignorant. The state is incapable of providing police protection around the clock to everyone. Notice the police show up AFTER a crime has been commited, not before. Guns are an important part of a life in pursuit of happiness like a set of wrenches is an important part of doing maintenance on your car. Further, the intention of the right exists, should the people ever need to take back control of their Constitutional government, no matter what government licensed lawyers my lie about. THAT, is the reason the issue gets ANY attention at all in D.C.
  
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25. Re:Australia Deserves it. by flyneye · 2014-07-26 00:05 · Score: 1
  
  Yeah, the war powers act has been in constant effect since Korea, since we never actually have NOT been at war with them since the 50s. No treaty has ever been signed. The government uses THIS to justify any and all things unconstitutional, like homeland security, spying on the people, or anything else that has made you say; "how can they do that?", since then. Now you know.
  
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26. Re: Australia Deserves it. by rfuilrez · 2014-07-26 00:12 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  http://mobile.philly.com/news/...
  Here ya go. Happened a couple days ago. Patiant came into a hospital and started shooting. It was a gun-free zone but one of the doctors had his gun anyway and killed the guy.
  http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki...
  And also there you go. A group of people stood up against a branch of the federal government for something they believe in. No shots were fired, but they were prepared to. The BLM backed off.
  Obviously these aren't the only ones. But they should satisfy your criteria.
27. Re: Australia Deserves it. by sillybilly · 2014-07-26 02:12 · Score: 0
  
  Thought crime? I just had a job where the military-maffiozos infected my gloves with some kind of fungus cancer to rot my hands down to showcase Obamacare and importance of health insurance, the new bio-implants and robotic, mind-controlled appendages. They have a big selection of IED amputees coming home from our stupid wars in the middle east, and they'd love to have ergonomic titanium limbs that work better than your arms. My hands hurt like a biatch, and I don't usually give a crap about carpal tunnel syndrome, but this was no carpal tunnel, because carpal tunnel hurts in specific ways, such as, if you shake your hands and the blood flow constriction temporarily releases, you feel a sudden warmth everywhere it was numbly tingling from oxygen degradation. This was localized to a specific area, it did not tingle/feel numb just hurt like something is digesting my meat, and in areas that were not overworked muscles - at the base of the ring finger for instance. I had to use a roach killer/bleach combo as a chemotherapy soak every time I woke up at night (boric acid plus sodium hypochlorite, gives a little perborate too, and perborate is devastating to almost all fungi, this includes most meat cancer - hey it's cheaper than a hospital chemo that makes your hair fall out, plus you don't even get it right away, first they take you to the nuthouse and hold you down and shoot you up for Haldol for hallucinating pain in your hand when they can't detect anything.) Also diaper rash ointment, 40% zinc oxide in vaseline, nonstop, all over my face that keeps getting infected by "coldsore virus herpes simples" fungi against which zinc oxide and other antifungals work great, every time I wake up something new on my face, like i get gassed with anesthetics while I'm sleeping, and that's why the floor behind my toilet is ripped up because I used to not predictably stay asleep, and that's my windows are so fucking small), and diaper rash ointment, all over my hands too. Sometimes I forgot to put it on my hands before I stuck it in the gloves (btw, they left some perfectly good but used gloves laying around, just in case they have to blame it on where I caught the infection from, it's from some other guy for whom it was a symbiotic fungus but it was infectious to me, or some explanation like that.) Zinc chloride is one of the most environmentally friendly wood preservatives against fungal attacks, invented around 1905, much better than the copper arsenate antifungals even as recently as 1990's that can kill a whole family with arsenic fumes if burnt in a wood stove. So zinc oxide, diaper rash ointment, is a meat fungus, meat cancer killer. You have to be careful when you kill off all fungi you become vulnerable to attack, as having a symbiotic resident fungi that protects you, as its turf from other fungi, protects you from catching cancer, and that's how cancer is not infectious, because most healthy people have good defensive fungi in them, even if these fungi rebel as pimples when hit with brominated vegetable oil in mountain dew, or dioxin from agent orange -like things, so antifungals should be used only when necessary, and then go lay on the ground in some public park to inhale/catch some healthy soil fungi.
  
  Da Man, such as the Microsoft chiefs, and hospital chiefs, and even military chiefs, would love to entice my interest in mind control robotic appendages, as they are running out of good ways to make money, and they need something radical that improves lives, where you cut your good arms off to get titanium arms and legs that can lift 500-800 lbs compared to a mere 120 with your regular muscles. Imagine the awesome new breed of soldiers with tatoos, body piercings, blue punk mohawks, and titanium legs and arms who can jump unto the roof like a cat from standing still. And the most important part is mind control, and in that, mind reading, so that intellectual property rights can be properly policed. As in dude, I have the dumb today, cannot think, or more like cannot afford to think about anything, because the intellect
28. Re:Australia Deserves it. by KeensMustard · 2014-07-26 02:30 · Score: 2
  
  A right would be pointless if there were never an occasion to use it. So far the existence of the right has made an environment where its exercise has not yet been necessary.It serves the people well.
  Sounds like someone sold you a rock that keeps bears away, and consequently you are sure that there can be no bears regardless of people pointing out bears on the street, in your garden, rifling through your trash.
  
  I personally like living in a place where I can say what I choose, right or wrong, to anyone, anytime without fear of repercussions based on their office, class, religion, ethnicity and if there is; I can sue the pants off them in court and make a public spectacle of them. I notice this right gets plenty of exercise.
  You can't say what you like, to anyone at anytime. You probably never had that right, you certainly don't now. You just choose a subset of topics to discuss, to a subset of people, in a subset of times and places. Your own personal 'Free Speech Zone'. You are deluding yourself. Wake Up!
  And lastly can I just point out how useless your firearm is for defending your rights: If you point your firearm at an official or member of law enforcement, you will be arrested and thrown into prison. Most likely, you will go to prison for longer that *I* would, were I to do the same thing in Australia, because despite other insanities, our sentencing laws are sane and our judicial system relatively free from corruption, whereas yours is utterly insane and utterly corrupt, and if you go to prison in the US you will stay there, stuck in the system for the rest of your life. So - what's the use of your firearm? Who are you going to point it at - tyrannical rabbits?
29. Re:Australia Deserves it. by currently_awake · 2014-07-26 02:39 · Score: 1
  
  The second amendment is already gone. All they have to do is make a secret law banning guns, then they convict every gun owner of that, then take away your guns because you're all convicted criminals. The second doesn't apply to anyone convicted of crime, and the government can ban anything it likes.
30. Re: Australia Deserves it. by sillybilly · 2014-07-26 02:40 · Score: 0
  
  And in the days of mandatory chip implants to police intellectual property violating thoughts, or at least measure the accruing royalty fees taxi-cab-meter-style, there will be no need for uttered words, because everyone will conversate telepathically, globally, through short-wave radio reflecting off the ionosphere. Only the Amish will retain spoken Dutch or English, dictionaries, regular muscle legs and arms, and horses and dogs. But they might succumb to some bioengineered cat-horse interbred hybrid contraption from Monsanto, that cleans up after itself and grooms itself, so you don't have to shovel the horseshit, the horse does it like a cat, and buries it somewhere, and grooms itself too.
31. Re: Australia Deserves it. by sillybilly · 2014-07-26 03:18 · Score: 0
  
  I'm I'm not buying no car insurance, health insurance, business insurance, life insurance, etc. Insurance is for retards who buy lottery tickets. It's a horrible gamble, the house always wins. In fact I'm gonna make a living like the stock brokers on wall street, become a professional gambler, let other people do the hard work, I derive my income from betting. And for that all you need to do is be lucky, as in be born in the correct "chosen" group of people who were born lucky and luck follows them around in life. In the stock market there is one rule: you agree that your investment is at risk and you could lose the whole thing. That's all the sharks need to figure out a way to get your money. You agreed. The house always wins, or the house does not exist. Ira, traditional and roth, and all that good stuff. 401K. Give it all to the sharks. Why should they have to do any work when they can have other people do the work and they can sit back and collect? That's what smart people do, right? They let other people do the work, and they "own" Da Game, and sit back in the armchair and collect. That's what we call an economy, but the whole thing falls apart when the ratio of actual middle class producers and creators to the upper class stock market sharks and lower class always dick and booty on the mind welfare free riding collectors gets too strained. And while we're at it, when I say "we" should build space stations, I don't mean "we" as in USA, because those days are over, Obama wants to cut what his thinks is this NASA bullshit of going to the stars budget completely, and instead give the money to more relevant, real life topic, such as all the welfare suckers fucking out of control and popping babies left and right, they have real life needs. I mean "we" as people, and most likely somebody like China or India will have the economic resources to put a space station up and have isolated life safe from biotech weapons killing everybody down here. See I don't care if I die, but knowing that somebody up there is safe from the Monsanto lab mad scientist devising glowing monkeys and biotech weapons that devour all life down here, that would make me sleep good at night, not so worried. And I don't really care if they are Chinese, as long as they are people, and hopefully they take a zoo up too, with plants and animals, because I know I don't live forever, but I'd like life from Earth to live, at least securely a little longer than a few more decades.
32. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-26 06:25 · Score: 0
  
  It's simple. Breaking apart the family unit is what causes a lot of the adult misbahavior. If that's not true, then why do the whites complain about the Jews doing this to "our country"?
  The comment makes perfect sense.
33. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-26 06:28 · Score: 0
  
  Read my comment above. Stop acting like you don't understand what's going on in this country. You must be white, and probably republican.
34. Re: Australia Deserves it. by sillybilly · 2014-07-26 06:45 · Score: 0
  
  As far as piracy and intellectual property goes, it simply shouldn't apply to some things, like prostitution material. Like this stuff (the traditional slashdot goatse warning, though this one is not may gale, but very feminine) http://www.xvideos.com/video13... . And that brings up the topic of same sex marriage. People are just too fucking horny. Traditionally marriage has been between a man and a woman, and the bible prescribes proper sex as only into the vagina, and ejaculating into the vagina, and other forms or sex, including fellatio (blowjobs), cunnilingus(pussylicking), sodomizing(anal sex, also oral sex technically) are improper. So, in a sense, same sex couples are free and have been free to practice their craft or creed, and nobody really cares, as long as you love each other, and you don't hurt kids, and you don't kill each other or send each other into the hospital with stuck objects and whatnot - and all hospitals have a long roster of such stuck object incidents - where we, the outsiders have to get involved. Also keep it to yourself, don't hang it out in the public in the face of kids, like the Teletubbies Tinkie Winkie is gay, and now we got a big discrimination topic, and everybody has to walk on eggshells because he's gay, and not to offend him, or he'll file a discrimination lawsuit. Ma, what does it mean he's gay? Shut up son, that's not for you to know. But I want to know. You'll know when you turn 14. Same sex marriage? Come on now. They should pass laws where discrimination against gays is illegal, with the understanding that it's not gonna be a constant open topic. Such as when people are working together. Just like working with the opposite sex, don't get your meat where you get your bread, in that don't get your piece of ass meat where you earn your daily bread income, because when things don't work out, it will be hell to the point of unable to sustain an income. And somebody being married, or a bachelor or bachelorette, or gay or lesbian, that's their business and none of the coworker's business, at least not as far as working together is concerned, I mean people know anyway if someone's like that, but it's not an open in your face topic, hey I came out of the closet, yeah, I'm a woman and I like to lick pussy, or wear strapons and fondle my bitch, or I'm a guy and I love sucking dick - dude, if you're gay, don't openly trumpet you're gay. It's ok, we just don't wanna talk about it. And if someone assumes you like the opposite sex, and talks to you about it as if you actually did, play along, pretend you do, for the sake of peace and harmony. Because as far as I know it still takes a woman and a man to create a child, and a child is a very important thing to the point where we should ask the gay people to be more flexible and tolerant and play along in their behavior as opposed to the straight ones, and child is a bond stronger than a marriage vow, or a ring on the finger, or at least should be. Same sex couples can adopt kids, but they could adopt them as individuals, and not brainwash the children into their own mentality, their own culture and lifestyle of gayness, because they are influencing the reproductive rights of the child. If anything, they should act as if they were bachelors or bachelorettes, with close friends, and even if the kids find out from walking in on them or from the noises, it's okay, they'd know anyway, but it would be like a taboo, not an open "we're a same sex married couple and we adopted you" topic at the dinner table, and this way they can still decide for themselves if they wanna follow the beaten path and have their own children, or wanna wander off into the same sex couple territory where they can only adopt.
35. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-26 07:14 · Score: 0
  
  Oops. This was obviously meant for the comments beneath me :/
36. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-26 08:56 · Score: 0
  
  I personally like living in a place where I can say what I choose, right or wrong, to anyone, anytime without fear of repercussions based on their office, class, religion, ethnicity and if there is
  > ... though don't ever talk about Gender, lest you get a creeper card. Worse than a felony!
37. Re: Australia Deserves it. by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-26 09:11 · Score: 0
  
  So even doctors in a hospital need to be armed to defend patients. What a fucked up society you've become.
38. Re: Australia Deserves it. by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-26 10:38 · Score: 0
  
  man, you're an accomplished troll!
39. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Wootery · 2014-07-26 11:35 · Score: 1
  
  No. I'm pretty obviously not thinking of that.
  Why is it that damn dear all the stupid bullshit I see on Slashdot is posted by ACs? Really. The correlation is remarkable.
40. Re:Australia Deserves it. by TapeCutter · 2014-07-26 13:35 · Score: 2
  
  Yes, the proof is in the pudding, the "land of the free" has the highest incarceration rates in the world, roughly 7X the rate of countries like China, Europe, and Australia. They are even more enthusiastic about locking up their own people than Saudi Arabia and Sudan.
  
  As for TFA, most people outside Australia and many inside of it do not understand why this is a perennial issue in parliament. Neither side are serious about these things, they use the issue purely for political gain in the senate.
  
  Aussie governments on both sides have argued both for and against this type of legislation since video cassettes became popular in the 80's. Malcolm Turnbull is not personally in favour of this legislation and Brandis just made a huge "free speech" fuss about changing the racial discrimination act to give people the right to be a bigot (specifically because his own media attack dog was found guilty under the act). However their personal stance is largely irrelevant since I'll bet that there is a minority "balance of power" senator that wants this, my guess is Bob Day from "family first". They were the ones who pushed this issue under the Labour gov, then spat the dummy when their own anti-abortion web sites started appearing on the "leaked" blacklist.
  
  Both sides of government have used this issue as bait for independent senators, they promise to implement if the senator cooperates on other matters, knowing full well the majority of parliamentarians won't accept it when, or rather if, it comes to a vote. They get the senate vote(s) early in their term, then they have endless inquires about how to implement "stupid idea X", people get stirred up, enquires come back with mixed results, the issue goes quiet before the next election. Independent senator loses seat he was luck to win in the first place and is replaced by a new independent from a different electorate with similar ideas and no experience bargaining with a major political party.
  
  In other words unless the pure political cynicism in keeping the status-quo concerns you, then this is a non-story.
  
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41. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-26 23:41 · Score: 0
  
  Probably have to be a domestic war.
42. Re: Australia Deserves it. by flyneye · 2014-07-27 01:34 · Score: 1
  
  Nope, it's called self defense, standing your ground, protecting yourself. Vigilantism would have me hunting down the offender and torching his house with his family inside.
  Big difference. Get over your whiny self.
  
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43. Re:Australia Deserves it. by flyneye · 2014-07-27 01:59 · Score: 1
  
  Nope, my rock that keeps bears away is .45 cal. brass jacketed. Works good for prevention of home intrusion, car jacking, keeping the ex-wifes husband away, and any previous business associates polite and on point. Not much different than rattlesnakes, skunks and badgers, nothing ever really changes.
  The fact is I DO say anything I want to to anyone. I always have. I know you are itching to pull out the bit about shouting " fire" in a crowded theater, but that actually constitutes a criminal attack and not free speech at all.I do have free speech, how I use it is no different than how I use a car, a hammer or a weapon, all of which I am free to use as well. To dredge up the bit about police is pedestrian and generic as well. Knowing full well that police are just as able as any human to commit atrocities, they too may be put down. Granted, it may provide a sticky situation and legal entanglements, but in the right situation I would just as easily shoot a cop as a crackhead with a knife and bad intent. Being in the right ,I would face a trial by a jury of my peers and be vindicated, so you can stuff your knee-jerk pissant talking points up your urethra. Perhaps it would serve you better to know what the hell you are talking about before jealously rationalizing your impotence to demand your right from your own dictatorial government. People own guns, subjects don't. Fight for your rights to life , liberty and the pursuit of happiness or quit defending your oppressors in hopes of fitting in with the sheep, you appear to be a sissified ass-kisser.
  
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44. Re:Australia Deserves it. by flyneye · 2014-07-27 02:01 · Score: 1
  
  LOL, yeah.
  
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45. Re: Australia Deserves it. by LinuxLuver · 2014-07-27 07:07 · Score: 1
  
  Note that this is yet another supposedly freedom loving conservative government doing this. I hope their voters eventually wake up to the simple fact they do the OPPOSITE of what they claim to represent.
  
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46. Re:Australia Deserves it. by KeensMustard · 2014-07-27 21:08 · Score: 1
  
  Works good for committing home intrusions, car jacking, keeping the ex-wifes husband away, and any previous criminal associates polite and on point. Not much different than rattlesnakes, skunks and badgers, nothing ever really changes.
  Fixed.
  
  The fact is I DO say anything I want to to anyone. I always have. I know you are itching to pull out the bit about shouting " fire" in a crowded theater, but that actually constitutes a criminal attack and not free speech at all.I do have free speech, how I use it is no different than how I use a car, a hammer or a weapon, all of which I am free to use as well.
  Yes, you are a real law abiding thug aren't you. You didn't choose the whiteboy thuglife, the whiteboy thuglife chose you. You can say what you want, when you want - provided the what and when are on the list of permissable places and times set by the government. You're a real icon of liberty!
  
  Knowing full well that police are just as able as any human to commit atrocities, they too may be put down. Granted, it may provide a sticky situation and legal entanglements, but in the right situation I would just as easily shoot a cop as a crackhead with a knife and bad intent.
  Yes, I'm very turned on by your display of suburban badassery. You're the king of the thugs in my mind. Or perhaps you just look and sound like an idiot. Should I call you keazy? Are you gunna get your cinna on at the cinnabon?.
  
  Being in the right ,I would face a trial by a jury of my peers and be vindicated, so you can stuff your knee-jerk pissant talking points up your urethra.
  If you self description is accurate your peers are going to be low order drug mules, prostitutes, drug addicts and/or thug wannabees with hoodies and chains on their wallets. Somehow I don't see them turning up to court (unless in the dock). Likely too moronic to find their way down the street.
  
  Perhaps it would serve you better to know what the hell you are talking about before jealously rationalizing your impotence to demand your right from your own dictatorial government.
  This from the guy who admitted freely that his firearm is useless for defending his liberty and in fact his main purpose for keeping it was to threaten others and fantasise about shooting cops. You'll excuse me if I'm not inclined to take civic lessons from you.
47. Re:Australia Deserves it. by flyneye · 2014-07-27 23:14 · Score: 1
  
  Yes, as a matter of fact I am law abiding. Not a thug, but I can see you need to imagine cliches to pretend to have a life. Perhaps cutting down on television would be good for you.
  I'm honestly sorry, Australia is such a boring place for you , that you have need to imagine such, but, It's easy to sense from your replies that you neither have a clue, nor will you ever be able to get one. Fortunately for you, I bear no animosity and as a longtime supporter of charities for the autistic and retarded, I can regard your invincible ignorance as evidence of a more organic problem. So go grab another root beer, and a shrimp off the barbie, turn on the tele and watch the old black and white "Murican" movies and dream, little man.
  
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48. Re:Australia Deserves it. by KeensMustard · 2014-07-28 00:14 · Score: 1
  
  Yes, as a matter of fact I am law abiding.
  Well, for now at least. But I guess that the idea of shooting a police officer gives you an erection - does it not? And the mention of the wife's ex-husband, do you feel a surge of pleasure in your genitals at the thought of pointing a gun at him? Does the idea of evening the odds make you want to masturbate?
  And do you act out these fantasies? Do you seek out those special places on the web for people with your dark pleasures?
  Do ever you post similar diatribes on facebook, blaming women for your loneliness and absent sex life? Ever talk about shooting up your school?
49. Re:Australia Deserves it. by flyneye · 2014-07-28 13:34 · Score: 1
  
  I dream of crossing the walk against the light. So far I have avoided this. But you never know, some Aussie will come along and distract me and there I'll be; on my back in the hospital with some Aussie wanting a relationship.
  
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50. Re:Australia Deserves it. by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-28 13:40 · Score: 0
  
  Ever stick one in your mouth?
  cock and squeeze
  taste the prostate juice.
  I've watched you doubled over like Ron Jeremy, you know. straining to reach. Then it goes off like rotten mushroom. BUKAKE!
51. Re:Australia Deserves it. by KeensMustard · 2014-07-29 10:21 · Score: 1
  
  Well, you always try www.rsvp.com.au they might have the cure for what ails ya.
52. Re:Australia Deserves it. by flyneye · 2014-07-29 10:27 · Score: 1
  
  I think if you try goatse.cx in the wayback machine, you'll find your hearts desire.
  
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53. Re:Australia Deserves it. by KeensMustard · 2014-07-30 01:31 · Score: 1
  
  So let's summarise: You admit that your sidearm will not help you protect your liberties. You claimed you could say whatever you wanted, whenever you wanted. You boasted about killing cops and having your mates pervert the course of justice for you. When pressed about this, you suddenly changed your mind and claimed to be straight up and law abiding. "No need to worry about ME saying the wrong thing - no sir! Clean your boots for you sir?"
  For some reason you thought that implying that i like distended anuses would make me feel insulted.
  You are the reason that America is under tyranny. You guys who fantasise about being cold-blooded killers and vigilantes, but when challenged, you roll over and urinate on yourselves like beaten curs. Do you even have a gun? Have you ever, even once, stood up for what is right?
54. Re:Australia Deserves it. by flyneye · 2014-07-30 23:13 · Score: 1
  
  Of course my sidearm will help protect my liberties. Me and every gun owning person, at that.
  Yes, I do say whatever I like to whomever I like.
  I never said I killed a cop, I said; if the case warranted it, I would kill a cop as easily as anyone threatening my life.
  Never changed my mind, I abide by any laws that do not conflict with my integrity or religion.
  Feel free to clean my boots and there's a tip in it for you boy.
  You're odd enough, I figure distended anuses would make you feel right at home.
  Nope, the reason the U.S. is under tyranny came around a century ago. Go read a U.S. history book.
  Nobody fantasizing about killers and vigilantes, except the over-zealous jealous Aussies who are subjects to their masters.
  I have several guns.
  I stand up to bleating anti-gun morons who rely on regurgitation of disinformation, rather than brains or fact all the time.
  I'll repeat myself.
  To deny my right to own a gun, is to open myself and family up to the dangers of criminals who would still own guns, should they be taken away.
  This is the equivalent of anti-gun nuts threatening my safety and they will suffer for their threats.
  
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55. Re:Australia Deserves it. by KeensMustard · 2014-07-31 21:14 · Score: 1
  
  Of course my sidearm will help protect my liberties. Me and every gun owning person, at that.
  You and your gun slinging pals are the reason why America, once proud and free, is now under the jackboot of tyranny.
  
  Yes, I do say whatever I like to whomever I like, provided the government approves the time and place, and what I actually say.
  Fixed.
  
  I never said I killed a cop, I said; if the case warranted it, I would kill a cop as easily as anyone threatening my life.
  You said you wanted to, and that in the event that you did, that your mates would pervert the course of justice to ensure that you went free. You're a delusional psycho.
  
  Never changed my mind, I abide by any laws that do not conflict with my integrity or religion.
  Ah right. And what does your religion say about shooting cops and members of the armed forces? Going postal on previous criminal associates? Can you quote the relevant section from your holy texts?
  
  When pressed about this, you suddenly changed your mind and claimed to be straight up and law abiding: "No need to worry about ME saying the wrong thing - no sir! Clean your boots for you sir?"
  Feel free to clean my boots and there's a tip in it for you boy.
  I'm not a boy, but thanks for invoking that racist imagery. In any case, you completely misunderstood what I said - perhaps due to an inability to read. The description and dialogue were a picture of YOU: YOU begging for the privilege of cleaning the tyrannical jackboot that steps on your face.
  
  You're odd enough, I figure distended anuses would make you feel right at home.
  Apology accepted.
  
  Nope, the reason the U.S. is under tyranny came around a century ago. Go read a U.S. history book.
  No need: I gave you the reasons why you live under tyranny and you didn't contradict it, instead went off and provided us with lurid fantasies about how badass you are, and how tough your gang is. Fantasies of course, because if you ever faced a real opponent you would curl up into a ball ready to be kicked, learned behaviours from living under the tyranny that you chose.
  
  To deny my right to own a gun, is to open myself and family up to the dangers of criminals who would still own guns, should they be taken away.
  You are the only real danger your family faces. Cowardly, stupid, obsessed with firearms, unable to engage in a coherent and rational argument. You're a few steps away from going postal and shooting everyone around you. You are at risk of having a psychotic episode and killing your family yourself, a getting drunk and mistaking your wife for an intruder, or a current criminal associate for a past one and shooting them by mistake.
  
  This is the equivalent of anti-gun nuts threatening my safety and they will suffer for their threats.
  Unable to respond intelligently to rational arguments, you just sprout fantasies, and when this fails, resort once again to physical threats. My point is proven.
56. Re:Australia Deserves it. by flyneye · 2014-07-31 23:10 · Score: 1
  
  LOL you are so obsessed with firearms and the fears in your head, you are like some guy in a 3 panel comic.
  You obviously know nothing about the United States or the people therein. It's preventing you from thinking logically or rationally, therefore everything you say comes out crap. My poor Aussie friend, YOU live in a fantasyland and your posts only prove it. The side effect of your efforts turns out to be invincible ignorance, for which there is no cure, except for the ones around you, and that is to ignore you.
  
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57. Re:Australia Deserves it. by KeensMustard · 2014-08-01 00:03 · Score: 1
  
  LOL you are so obsessed with firearms and the fears in your head, you are like some guy in a 3 panel comic.
  Just presenting you with facts. You choose to deny rather than refute. Not my problem.
Goddammit Tony Abbott by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 17:05 · Score: 0

When will you learn that this kind of law will not work? Just have a look at what is being done in the UK. They tried this, realised that blocking sites is pretty much trying like trying to empty the oceans using a bucket full of holes and changed their methods to posting letters to the users if they are accused of pirating in the hope of getting the parents involved.
1. Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott by bigfinger76 · 2014-07-25 17:11 · Score: 0
  
  Why would they be interested in contrasting themselves with the U.K.? God save the Queen!
2. Re: Goddammit Tony Abbott by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 17:16 · Score: 0
  
  Lol such a small population to be concerned about.
  Futile? Yes.
  Done to just appease commercial interests? Probably.
  Futile? Yes.
  Repeat.
3. Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 17:24 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  Ah, but you forget. Tony Abbott doesn't learn. He's an insane corrupt sociopathic fucker that Australians have made a horrible horrible mistake by electing.
  Captcha: snuffer
4. Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott by ChunderDownunder · 2014-07-25 17:29 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  Uncle Rupert owns the content. Uncle Rupert owns our pay tv network. Uncle Rupert discourages FTTH.
  Follow the money.
5. Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 17:41 · Score: 0
  
  Uncle Rupert owns the content. Uncle Rupert owns our pay tv network. Uncle Rupert discourages FTTH.
  Follow the money.
  Stop calling him that.
6. Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 17:54 · Score: 2, Funny
  
  Ah, but you forget. Tony Abbott doesn't learn. He's an insane corrupt sociopathic fucker that Australians have made a horrible horrible mistake by electing.
  Captcha: snuffer
  Tony Abbot is a wonderful man. I love him. Stop saying such terrible things about him!
7. Re: Goddammit Tony Abbott by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 17:55 · Score: 1
  
  Lol such a small population to be concerned about.
  Futile? Yes.
  Done to just appease commercial interests? Probably.
  Futile? Yes.
  Repeat.
  It is futile but it does mean that in the meantime I will have to start using proxies to access websites (giving copyright owners the ability to block websites citing copyright infringement does not end at blocking torrent sites) and having to deal with potential issues while downloading legitimate content. It also means that ISPs here might turn to hobbling bittorrents and the likes to help themselves stay within the laws...
8. Re: Goddammit Tony Abbott by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 17:57 · Score: 0
  
  It is futile but it does mean that in the meantime I will have to start using proxies to access websites (giving copyright owners the ability to block websites citing copyright infringement does not end at blocking torrent sites) and having to deal with potential issues while downloading legitimate content. It also means that ISPs here might turn to hobbling bittorrents and the likes to help themselves stay within the laws...
  It is relatively trivial to prevent ISPs from interfering with torrents.
9. Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott by AHuxley · 2014-07-25 18:15 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  How will it work? A national block on a huge set of p2p index sites? A national block on a huge set of download link index sites?
  What more can an isp be commanded do? Deep packet inspection for rar files as downloaded?
  The long term logging of all users by isp to be automatically cross referenced with p2p tracking industry groups?
  Issue a decree that Australian banks and related credit card products are not to pay for VPN or other encrypted services that hide users from their Australian isp?
  Then have laws ready to send end users identified by the tame isp after the 2nd letter for state-mandated copyright awareness counseling?
  A ban on the internet for users caught again? Or users kept away from the internet for a few months or years?
  After all that hard legal work why not just allow other US or UK streaming media services into Australia? Let Australians buy access to any US or UK show, movie as in US or UK? Let them pay per show or per season from any US media provider they like.
  
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10. Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 18:32 · Score: 0
  
  All of the above...
  You forgot the part though where they're giving ASIO the lawful right to break the law and hack into remote systems to gather information.
11. Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 18:36 · Score: 0, Interesting
  
  "After all that hard legal work why not just allow other US or UK streaming media services into Australia? Let Australians buy access to any US or UK show, movie as in US or UK? Let them pay per show or per season from any US media provider they like."
  You misunderstand what this is really about, and why your suggestion will never happen.
  This is about repaying Rupert Murdoch for his extremely biased (but favourable) media coverage that probably won the last election for the LNP. Murdoch owns the majority of newspapers and media in Australia. So expect a lot of pandering. There's currently ongoing attacks against the ABC (the national, balanced, broadcaster). (Australia only really has 3 news sources. News Corp (The largest), Fairfax Media (propped up by mining interests, ie: favourable to LNP) and the ABC). Attacks on ISPs (under the guise of copyright) in order to prop up Foxtel's (cable company) profits. I believe they're also watering down the media ownership laws.
12. Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott by AHuxley · 2014-07-25 18:44 · Score: 2
  
  I thought ASIO malware was only going to be reserved for the "suspected terrorists and other security interests" and only "...used in extremely limited circumstances and only when explicitly approved by the Attorney-General through a warrant."
  One Australia wide warrant for all p2p users then?
  Be fun to see how the mass use of state sanction zero day malware interacts with average consumer grade heuristic analysis in your average consumer antivirus program?
  Will all the AV brands selling in Australia be expected to whitelist for ASIO?
  
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13. Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 18:59 · Score: 0
  
  Hello Tony, already awake I see?
14. Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott by dbIII · 2014-07-25 19:19 · Score: 1
  
  How will it work? A national block on a huge set of p2p index sites? A national block on a huge set of download link index sites?
  Of course not but it doesn't matter. They just want an excuse to put figarative heads on pikes of those caught to show that something is being done.
15. Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott by Opportunist · 2014-07-25 19:28 · Score: 1
  
  I guess with the right sauce and wine he might be bearable...
  
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16. Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott by Opportunist · 2014-07-25 19:29 · Score: 1
  
  So... then you'll need pirated AV from abroad to defend against the governmental spying?
  It's worse than in the US, actually...
  
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17. Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott by Opportunist · 2014-07-25 19:30 · Score: 1
  
  Just wait 'til the P2P index page gets public. Then it doubles as a "where to go for content" list.
  
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18. Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 19:33 · Score: 0
  
  Be fun to see how the mass use of state sanction zero day malware interacts with average consumer grade heuristic analysis in your average consumer antivirus program?
  Given that the average consumer antivirus program doesn't raise any alarms over the fact the user is running windows.....
19. Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 19:50 · Score: 0
  
  you mean like chillingeffects is now for search engine takedowns?.. hell, google even links to them on pages with missing results as part of their 'transparency' efforts.
20. Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott by felixrising · 2014-07-25 21:20 · Score: 1
  
  What you're getting at is, provide them access, and the problem will reduce substantially... the idea of geoblocking certain content on the internet is totally against the idea of the internet.. which is global access.
21. Re: Goddammit Tony Abbott by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-26 01:47 · Score: 0
  
  Agreed. We should all vote for Jaquie "My Son Has a Big Cock" Lambley. Or perhaps Clive "I Eat $100 Notes For Breakfast" Palmer. No? How about Julia "There Will Be No Carbon Tax btw Here's A Carbon Tax" Gillard, Kevin "Make Air Stewardesses & Hairdressers Cry" Rudd, or even Bill "We're Sick Of Liberal Scaremongering But Abbott Is Evil And Eats Babies" Shorten? Still doesn't tickle your fancy? Don't forget about Sarah "No Limits, No Background Checks, Free Benefits For Asylum Seekers" Hanson-Young or Christine "I Should Have Retired With Bob Brown" Milne.
  Those sound like great choices! Anything but Abbott because... because... Liberals! And The Age told me he was bad!
22. Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott by AHuxley · 2014-07-26 11:12 · Score: 2
  
  The US has its own plans http://judiciary.house.gov/ind... (Jul 24 2014)
  Read what the US gov could do in the first 10 page pdf:
  "amend the law to create a felony penalty for unauthorized Internet streaming. Specifically, we recommend the creation of legislation to establish a felony charge for infringement through unauthorised public performances conducted for commercial advantage or private financial gain,”"
  and for the international friends:
  "diplomatic and trade-based pressure"
  
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23. Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott by pinzvidz · 2014-07-26 15:34 · Score: 1
  
  Stop calling him that.
  Why, is he a bad uncle? ;)
24. Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-27 12:28 · Score: 0
  
  how does that make him any worse than all the other politicians. if you ask me the liberal party didn't want to get in, and that’s why the put tony abbott up; figuring no one will vote for him, and everybody will have to watch the labor party as they struggle to return to surplus and make all the unpopular decisions.
TheBiggestOffender by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 17:45 · Score: 1

They are going to block google search and youtube? The two largest offenders..
1. Re:TheBiggestOffender by Opportunist · 2014-07-25 19:31 · Score: 1
  
  If we can somehow throw in Facebook I bet that should piss off the NSA enough to label Aussieland some axis of evil candidate.
  
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2. Re:TheBiggestOffender by SuricouRaven · 2014-07-25 22:35 · Score: 1
  
  They'll only block sites that don't have the money to put up a fight.
AU needs an occupy movement by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 17:57 · Score: 0

That would help to put a stop to this kind of crap just as it did in the USA. When I was in NYC, it was amazing the energy the movement had. They've lost some inertia, but their actions have had a lasting effect.
1. Re:AU needs an occupy movement by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 18:36 · Score: 0
  
  That would help to put a stop to this kind of crap just as it did in the USA. When I was in NYC, it was amazing the energy the movement had. They've lost some inertia, but their actions have had a lasting effect.
  Uh.. What lasting effect would that be?
2. Re:AU needs an occupy movement by AHuxley · 2014-07-25 19:03 · Score: 1
  
  All that happened in the USA was the protest leaders where identified, set up or turned. The rest is just busy work.
  COINTELPRO has never worked so well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
  As for Australia, watching all law reform groups is trivial for the police and security services.
  The traction the anti Vietnam war draft movement had in Australia will never be allowed to build for any issue.
  
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3. Re:AU needs an occupy movement by Opportunist · 2014-07-25 19:32 · Score: 2
  
  We learned that it's pointless to protest peacefully.
  
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4. Re:AU needs an occupy movement by SuricouRaven · 2014-07-25 22:34 · Score: 1
  
  Non-peaceful protest would have been no more effective. The US has settled into a state where the people are given an effective illusion of influence, and some real power over minor issues, but kept away from interfering with those who actually run the country. The tea party movement was no more effective, and for the same reason.
5. Re:AU needs an occupy movement by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-26 02:09 · Score: 0
  
  There is no lasting effect of one singular protest. The protesting must be constant and vigilant. Education campaigns need to happen year after year for protests to have effect. The truth must always be clear and be presented with evidence and be presented with as little bias as possible. A peaceful protest is not a sprint, it's a lifelong marathon.
6. Re:AU needs an occupy movement by Opportunist · 2014-07-27 00:40 · Score: 1
  
  Well, at the current moment too many people still buy into the illusion of freedom. It took quite long for the East Bloc to collapse as well. What it takes is the majority of people realizing it, not just a select few who manage to see past the show created to keep them complacent.
  That takes time. In the end of the East Bloc, the difference between the show and the illusion created for the people and the reality they faced every day grew out of proportion. We're not at that point yet. People still believe what they are being told.
  We have to wait. There's little we can do but wait.
  
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A nation of cowards deserves no rights by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 18:41 · Score: 0

Couldn't agree more.
Aussies have never stood up to government, and the media is fawning and complicit.
Most Australians vote either Liberal Party of Labor Party and never change their vote, despite what they do to them.
No one stands up for their rights. The cowardice and apathy of my fellow Australians is depressing. The government deserves to screw them all over. People who won't speak up for their rights don't deserve any.
1. Re:A nation of cowards deserves no rights by JonathanR · 2014-07-25 23:04 · Score: 1
  
  I was born on the great antipodean continent, I live there also. I don't, however, consider myself Australian. Being an Australian implies membership of a body-politic, which implies supplicating to politicians and their sycophants. I don't do that.
2. Re: A nation of cowards deserves no rights by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-26 00:20 · Score: 0
  
  Fellow Australian here. What rights would they be and in what founding document can I find them?
3. Re: A nation of cowards deserves no rights by quenda · 2014-07-26 04:14 · Score: 1
  
  Fellow Australian here. What rights would they be and in what founding document can I find them?
  Those rights mostly existed before the founding of the colonies, let alone the federation of the nation.
  The documents are many, starting with the Magna Carta.
Do note by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 19:13 · Score: 0

the wording on this is interesting. "Expanded Safe Harbour" is the way they spell "more liability" for ISPs.
Much in the way the British porn filtering law introduced "opt out" (to nannying) but spelled it "opt in" (to unfiltered* access, now requiring identification along with an implicit admission of being a pervert).
* Mostly. The IWF censorship is still there, of course.
Like this will ever work. by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 19:40 · Score: 0

Bring on Tor....
VPN by hozozco · 2014-07-25 19:50 · Score: 1

As an Australian, my biggest objection to this is the huge waste of money to set this up, maintain it and enforce it.
Personally, I've got a $4.00 per month VPN. Let's see, what country shall my computer be in today... :-)
1. Re:VPN by johanw · 2014-07-26 00:35 · Score: 1
  
  "As an Australian, my biggest objection to this is the huge waste of money to set this up, maintain it and enforce it."
  And the amount of money to a\work around it. Like in France, where people are massively shifting to VPN.
2. Re:VPN by currently_awake · 2014-07-26 02:50 · Score: 2
  
  The NSA spends a lot of time and money "Defending America" by spying on everyone. But if the Copyright cartels drive everyone to use VPN's and crypto it will directly undermine all that hard work and money spent. As a matter of national security, the government of the USA needs to block the copyright enforcers from this path.
Control by Wowsers · 2014-07-25 20:13 · Score: 1

"Tackling Piracy" is the cover story, but it's just for the government to grab control of the free internet. A little bit at the time, they come up with reasons to censor this, ban that, people too stupid to see what is happening. Until one day, you have nothing left of the internet as we know it today.

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1. Re:Control by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-26 03:45 · Score: 0
  
  Until one day, you have nothing left of the internet as we know it today.
  Too late. There is already nothing left of the internet as we knew it in the 1980's.
huh by gTsiros · 2014-07-25 20:22 · Score: 1

Did anyone notice that *they* used the correct term "copyright infringement" while the story submitter used the incorrect term "piracy" ? It's usually the opposite happening.

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1. Re:huh by Richard_at_work · 2014-07-25 21:05 · Score: 1
  
  What's incorrect about the term "piracy"? Its been used to refer to copyright infringement for hundreds of years.
2. Re:huh by SuricouRaven · 2014-07-25 22:31 · Score: 2
  
  Correct, incorrect... language changes. Better to reclaim the word as a symbol of pride, as The Pirate Bay does.
  I've given up most hope of ever reclaiming 'hacker' now, though.
3. Re:huh by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 23:06 · Score: 0
  
  Did anyone notice that *they* used the correct term "copyright infringement" while the story submitter used the incorrect term "piracy" ? It's usually the opposite happening.
  They need to be a little careful how they phrase it because of the legitimate Australian political party Pirate Party of Australia; the US industry lobbyist who probably wrote this paper don't want to remind people of it. It may also be somebody from IP Australia - a classic example of regulatory capture who don't appear to represent the interests of the general population at all.
4. Re:huh by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-26 02:25 · Score: 1
  
  Publishers often refer to copying they don't approve of as “piracy.” In this way, they imply that it is ethically equivalent to attacking ships on the high seas, kidnapping and murdering the people on them. Based on such propaganda, they have procured laws in most of the world to forbid copying in most (or sometimes all) circumstances. (They are still pressuring to make these prohibitions more complete.)
  The fact that it's been in lexicon for all this time doesn't make the implicit allegations any more correct today as it was in the past. If you don't believe that copying not approved by the publisher is just like kidnapping and murder, you might prefer not to use the word “piracy” to describe it. Neutral terms such as “unauthorized copying” (or “prohibited copying” for the situation where it is illegal) are available for use instead. Some of us might even prefer to use a positive term such as “sharing information with your neighbor.”
  Leave piracy to the pirates and the ships and the seas. Let's keep the term of piracy distinct to idea of copyright infringement.
5. Re:huh by Richard_at_work · 2014-07-27 01:28 · Score: 1
  
  Ahh, that bullshit.
Who decides by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 20:40 · Score: 0

... "reasonable steps that can be taken ... to discourage or reduce online copyright infringement."

Who decides what is reasonable? Remember the i-net case where the copyright protection organisation sued an ISP for not terminating its service contract with a known IP pirate?
Australians fight quite hard for continued protection of principles like 'a fair go', 'job security' and other nation-building ideals but actual freedom not so much. The problem is that the Aussie government isn't limited by a bill of rights and doesn't promise its citizens any rights to freedom. Since the 'war on terror', the government has been busy writing laws to ensure the few freedoms Aussie people have inherited can be deliberately withheld at any time without due process.
Awesome that'll save me tonnes of money! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 21:01 · Score: 0

If this gets pushed through most aussies will just cut the cord as the cost for digital content is beyond insanity in Aus.
Treasurer for sale! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 21:53 · Score: 0

Only took a 6 figure donation from village roadshow.
RED TAPE by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-25 22:01 · Score: 0

New RED TAPE!
There is zero green tape in this.
Smart Australian Companies competing on a level playing field. Nope - ISP's now become Regulated ISP (RISP's).
There is no tangible benefit in Australia's National Interest here.
Lowers productivity (tick)
Increases business overheads (tick)
Angers voters (tick)
Looses votes (tick)
Looses Australian jobs (tick).
Taxpayers picking up the tab for CIVIL matters (tick)
Tis a steaming pile of crap. I want to see 'Uptake of VPN and projected current account invisible losses' charts and projections.
Once Australians all have VPN's, local IT will have a similar life expectancy as the local car manufacturing 'Industry'.
They can't stop boats... by JonathanR · 2014-07-25 23:08 · Score: 1

...let alone packets.
yeh by Anonymous Coward · 2014-07-26 08:18 · Score: 0

At least we still have access to websites and freedom of the digital world unlike you sissies who just lost everything but aol and Yahoo have fun reading what your government wants you to and not what the world is discussing. Oh wait y'all never used internet anyways right? Y'all are the outbacks alway outback.
Corporate Australia hates competition by IanBal · 2014-07-26 12:55 · Score: 1

and as the Australian Government is little more than a puppet of corporate Australia, eliminating competition is easy.
They made a mess last time they tried ... by donak · 2014-07-27 04:46 · Score: 2

Last time, the then Labor government insisted that the two biggest ISPs put blocks in place, even though the legislation didn't get through the parliament.
The end result: amongst others, a school tuck-shop (canteen) got blocked. Those nefarious parents were maliciously placing orders for kids lunches online!
And, less than a day after it started, school kids could tell you how to bypass the blocks.
I've never pirated a movie, for the lack of bandwidth, and the lack of desire. I've never pirated music ... much the same reasons.
I've got a 30GB a month ADSL2+ connection, and better things to do with it.
But I resent the huge amount of bullshit that governments and movie and music companies put out about piracy, to the point where I won't even buy discs of either until they fall off the "peak interest" of being the latest thing out. When it's cheap, I'll think about buying it.
A lot of the time I won't buy it even then as a direct result of the crap that they all spout.

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Who's Your Daddy?!! by CanEHdian · 2014-07-27 06:06 · Score: 2

Australia is obliged under its free trade agreements with the United States, Singapore and Korea (not yet ratified) to provide a legal incentive to ISPs to cooperate with rights holders to prevent infringement on their systems and networks.
And, ladies and gentlement, there you have it. Again. Completely bypassing the democratic process, FTA's trump national legislation. And anyone that thinks that Singapore and Korea are actually the ones pressing Australia to ramp up their pro-copyright industry efforts is naive. It's just a little smokescreen. So Who's Your Daddy?!! Good ole Uncle Sam (MPAA/RIAA/USTR) is. Bend over, and take it like a man Aussies!

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