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Smoking Mothers May Alter the DNA of Their Children

sciencehabit (1205606) writes "Pregnant women who smoke don't just harm the health of their baby—they may actually impair their child's DNA, according to new research. A genetic analysis shows that the children of mothers who smoke harbor far more chemical modifications of their genome — known as epigenetic changes — than kids of non-smoking mothers. Many of these are on genes tied to addiction and fetal development. The finding may explain why the children of smokers continue to suffer health complications later in life.

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  1. What about... by gnu-sucks · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What about smokers who abstain from smoking during pregnancy but otherwise chain smoke through life?

    1. Re:What about... by skids · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While there are almost definitely some sort of lesser consequences than those who smoke during pregnancy, what will happen to them is they will be wrongfully blamed for all society's perinatal ills for the next month or so due to the fact that journalists cannot choose their language carefully.

    2. Re:What about... by riverat1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To that I'd add what about mothers who don't smoke themselves but are exposed to secondhand smoke* either because their partner/roommate smokes or there is smoking in places they hang out?

      *Before anyone gets all huffy about secondhand smoke being a problem I have experience with it. I was a non-smoker who roomed for a couple of years at college with a pack a day smoker. When I moved out I found I'd become addicted and started smoking (stupid, I know).

    3. Re:What about... by Tailhook · · Score: 3, Insightful

      due to the fact that journalists cannot choose their language carefully

      Respectfully, that is profoundly naive. The language used is carefully chosen to foster this ambiguity and instigate the blame you anticipate. Instilling hate in the hoi polloi necessitates rounding off corners that would otherwise need qualification.

      Smoking == crime. Smokers == enemies of the people.

      That's all you need to know.

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    4. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Troll: 1/10. Insited too responses.

      My troll will be at least get one grammar/spelling nazi response.

    5. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, you're incredibly stupid. You belong at 4chan, you insect.

      You belong on 9gag you fucking joke. Quit being rude.

    6. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their kids grow up to become Slashdot editors.

    7. Re:What about... by flyneye · · Score: 0

      Couldn't matter much anyway, with all the "as yet unknown" effects of any number of "medicines","vaccinations",cleaning chemicals, fluoride, meth labs down the block, plastics everywhere inducing hormonal effects, butt picking fingers of the cook @ Taco Bell, McDonalds food,cosmetics, soaps, and any of the other things your wallow in all day , every day, something else will fuck up your zygote even more. Have a cigar!

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    8. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oi, they should write like this in Hebrew!

    9. Re: What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      An enemy of the people who also fund a Significant number of government programs via the taxes they pay on cigarettes. If every smoker up and quit tomorrow it would create a massive economic crisis.

      The government doesn't want people to quit. they are just trying to figure out the max people will keep paying so that the coffers stay full. You can bet on the day tobacco tax revenue starts to drop we will see a halt in the taxes or something else will suddenly be in the crosshairs.

    10. Re:What about... by felixrising · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is evidence that adolescent boys who smoke, have epigenetic effects that change their sperm for the rest of their life, they produce children that are obese. http://www.reuters.com/article...

    11. Re:What about... by rossdee · · Score: 1

      Which Hebrew? the ancient language that was used in The Bible, or the language used in Israel today?

    12. Re:What about... by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Insightful

      *Before anyone gets all huffy about secondhand smoke being a problem I have experience with it. I was a non-smoker who roomed for a couple of years at college with a pack a day smoker. When I moved out I found I'd become addicted and started smoking (stupid, I know).

      No you had another reason, you're just placing blame on those around you for smoking. Whether it was stress, it seemed like that was the likely cause, or something else. My father smoked a pack to two per-day, for close to 15 years. My grandparents(all three that were still alive) smoked upwards of 1-3 packs per day, until they died. I never became addicted, I had no desire to smoke. The only thing I missed was the smell of burning tobacco, and fresh picked. That's probably because as a teenager I used to pick the stuff(meaning I got all the crap oozing from the plants on me), but again I didn't start smoking because of it either.

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    13. Re:What about... by phyrz · · Score: 1

      except that isn't evidence, its a correlation at best. maybe smokers just have bad diets therefore their children get fat.

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    14. Re:What about... by felixrising · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, yes, it's correlation, not a clear pathway for causation... but the findings are intriguing. Maybe people who produce fat sons just happen to like smoking when they are pre-pubescent? Chances are there are some epigenetic effects though...

    15. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF?? The language of today is not Hebrew, it is Modern Hebrew.

    16. Re:What about... by flyneye · · Score: 1

      Oh, just vape, like everyone else who wants to smoke in the grocery store.
      I notice tobacco chewers aren't any worse off for all this.

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    17. Re:What about... by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      I really love the people who claim that second hand smoke is worse for you than first hand smoke. A person who smokes is getting both first hand smoke and second hand smoke, so the only logical conclusion if those who dont smoke are worse off than those who do is that smoking is actually better for you than not smoking! *

      * Yes, I know this claim is based on the fact that there is carbon monoxide in second hand smoke, not from empirical evidence.

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    18. Re:What about... by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      There is even more solid evidence that people who believe everything they read shouldn't have children.

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    19. Re:What about... by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Okay, I'm calling bullshit. Please link to any scientific evidence that it's possible to become addicted via second hand smoke.

      Your anecdote, and mine which is quite the opposite (raised and lived, and worked with smokers), really don't mean much.

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    20. Re:What about... by parkinglot777 · · Score: 2

      I really love the people who claim that second hand smoke is worse for you than first hand smoke.

      I am not really sure how you would interpret the GP to "second hand smoke is worse for you than first hand smoke." I do not really see it from the post. What I am seeing is that how second hand smoke would affect the baby of a mother who is in her pregnancy and not a smoker. The question is related to the GP's parent post talking about a mother who is a smoker but stops smoking in her pregnancy.

      Also to me, there is no level of danger between first and second hand smoker, but there is only harmful or not harmful. To me, both types are harmful. The different between first and second hand smoker is the first hand smoker does it at will but the second hand smoker is being forced to take it. In other words, first hand smokers do smoke because they want to (usually wherever they want if no restriction); whereas, second hand smokers are there for a reason that is not for breathing in the smoke. If one wants to argue about these people, who do not smoke, should not be there, that is a different topic and should be discussed else where.

      *I was a non-smoker who roomed for a couple of years at college with a pack a day smoker. When I moved out I found I'd become addicted and started smoking (stupid, I know).

      I was growing up with a father who smokes a pack a day, and none of us (7 children) is a smoker (ever). Yes, we all are second hand smokers for many years (longer than a couple years you claimed), so being a second hand smoker has nothing to do with becoming a smoker.

    21. Re:What about... by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      "I am not really sure how you would interpret the GP to "second hand smoke is worse for you than first hand smoke." "

      I didn't really claim he did say that, now did I? He merely reminded me of the Andrew Dice Clay scene, which is so funny I fell out of my chair when I first heard it, and continues to be hilarious to me to this day. I thought I'd share it with you all. I hope you enjoyed it before coming back here to attempt to put words in my mouth.

      "Also to me, there is no level of danger between first and second hand smoker, but there is only harmful or not harmful."

      I know this is Slashdot, but that is taking binary a bit too far. :-)

      "Yes, we all are second hand smokers for many years (longer than a couple years you claimed), so being a second hand smoker has nothing to do with becoming a smoker."

      You seem to be confusing me with the GP. Maybe second hand smoke affected your memory? :-)

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    22. Re: What about... by BlueScreenO'Life · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I'm sure people living longer and better-quality lives will devastate the economy.

    23. Re: What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you'd be right. Happy, contented people don't buy a lot of useless crap (like cigarettes for example).

    24. Re:What about... by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 1

      As someone allergic to some chemicals released in the burning of plants (from bonfires to cigars and everything in between)... Smokers are typically my enemy. Especially since smoking fosters special 'circles' where ever they work. I can't even claim my mandatory 15 minute breaks and the smokers get dozens of 'smoke breaks' every day because management tends to also be smokers. Also the cloud hanging around any entryway as the smokers are not allowed to smoke around the buildings is oh so fun for me to walk through...

      I'm not militant about it and usually don't make a fuss about it, but willingly harming yourself and others with cigarettes is not rational behavior and should not be encouraged.

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    25. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      like this one?
      http://www.nih.gov/news/health/may2011/nida-02.htm

      If there is sufficient nicotine in second-hand smoke, then it can cause a nicotine addiction. This study showed that the nicotine in second-hand smoke is sufficient, even in moderation, to create a nicotine addiction or re-ignite an existing, dormant one.

    26. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, here we are in 2014, and where are all these defective people?

      http://www.gallup.com/poll/170264/adult-obesity-rate.aspx

      But this study just seems like a way to make expectant mothers feel even more guilty than they already do.

      This study seems like a way to lower the chance of birth defects for mothers that pay attention to it.

      You seem hellbent on the idea that if you can't fix everything, you shouldn't fix anything. Because we don't know everything, we don't know anything!

      We know that pregnant smoking tends to fuck up a kid. We know that pregnant drinking tends to fuck up a kid. We know that eating the right foods gives a kid the best chances at coming out with "10 fingers and 10 toes" -- giving that kid the best chance at life. Some of the shit we go through is cargo-cult in order to please the correlation gods, but figuring out that doing this or doing that actually increases the chances of your kid getting Downs Syndrome or autism by 1000%, you should know about it and stop doing it -- for both your sakes.

    27. Re: What about... by BlueScreenO'Life · · Score: 1

      Happy, contented people don't buy a lot of useless crap (like cigarettes for example).

      That's right. But by "living longer and better-quality lives" I don't mean "Happy, contented" - I mean non-smoking. Non-smokers can still be materialistic, impulse buyers, and, because their life span and life quality are, in average, superior, they can buy more useless crap.

    28. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Different people have different tolerances. You're dismissing the GP's model based on a sample size of one.

    29. Re: What about... by sjames · · Score: 1

      It will harm the economy. Less tax revenue for starters. Later on, higher medical costs and more social security costs. Smokers tend to die before collecting a lot of social security and before they get expensive ongoing medical care.

  2. 'Alter' is a neutral term. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Perhaps there are people dumb enough to smoke while pregnant, but the alterations make their offspring less dumb. This is just a possibility. 'Alter' does not necessarily mean bad.

    1. Re:'Alter' is a neutral term. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Darwin, Darwin, Darwin

  3. Re:It takes a village, but all cultures are equal by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    On gun rights activists, obviously.

  4. Smoking Mothers are Smoking! by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Probably why they are Mothers in the first place.

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    1. Re:Smoking Mothers are Smoking! by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Smoking as in smoking hot (NSFW) for the colloquial challenged.

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  5. Epigenetics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Epigenetics also affected people in the Dutch famine of 1944 (paper, http link to paper). The children of mothers that were in the famine were smaller than average, and those children, too.

    1. Re:Epigenetics by rizole · · Score: 1

      I might be being a pedant (Hey, it's /. afterall!) but wouldn't it be that the Dutch famine of 1944 affected children epigenetically rather than epigenetics affected children?

    2. Re:Epigenetics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, they were both.
      Born smaller, but with the "thrifty" phenotype, so much more likely to become overweight or obese.
      And so were the grandchildren of those mothers.

  6. "Smoking mothers promote evolutionary progress". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you could also write that as "Smoking mothers promote evolutionary progress". I mean if you wanted to.
    We've no more real external pressure to evolve beyond where we are now. we're all "fit enough" to pork each other.
    Now we need genetic externalities and epigenetic lateral transfer to progress as a species.

    Just sayin'
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  7. Re:It takes a village, but all cultures are equal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    On the other white men who stole tobacco from the original inhabitants of these lands and forced these women to smoke through trickery and deceit.

  8. Re:It takes a village, but all cultures are equal by geekoid · · Score: 2

    ON smokers, and the industry that keeps paying money to prevent their cancer causing products to be regulated by the FDA so they can keep the chemicals they use under wraps.

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  9. Re:It takes a village, but all cultures are equal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, it certainly explains the generation that was born from all those hippies in the 60s.

  10. Not to worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just eat blueberries, the antioxidants can reverse some of the methylation

    Blueberries guys

  11. my mother quit when she was pregnant by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    I was born in the 1950's, LONG before the surgeon general came out saying smoking was bad for you. Heck, the commercials of that era, had doctors advertising cigarettes! When my mother became pregnant with me, she was 25. When "the rabbit died" she quit until after I stopped nursing. Same thing for my younger sister 2 years later. Both of my parents quit for good in the early 70's after repeated nagging from myself, my younger sister & my older sister. Both are alive & well in their 80's now. Even before the facts were really known about smoking, a lot of my parents friends wives quit smoking when they were pregnant. I see pregnant women today smoking and just shake my head. Oh well, it's a free country...even if you aren't quite so smart.

    1. Re:my mother quit when she was pregnant by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      When "the rabbit died"

      what does this mean.

      I see pregnant women today smoking and just shake my head. Oh well, it's a free country...even if you aren't quite so smart.

      it's a free country which means the government can't tell you what to do. doesn't stop you from rolling down your window and yelling, "stop smoking you stupid whores!"

    2. Re:my mother quit when she was pregnant by Qzukk · · Score: 2

      what does this mean.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...

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    3. Re:my mother quit when she was pregnant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Phrased differently I would have awarded mod points, the trolling comment levels out the smart part.

      Peer pressure is surely something worth while in society. At the same time, remember that everyone has unhealthy habits. Have you read the ingredients in your shampoo (you put that shit in your hair every day!)? Eat any type of processed or prepared food that you didn't grow yourself (or have serious organic certification)? How often do you touch BPA rich plastics? How frequently do you drink alcohol? You drive a car to work?

      Yeah, we can all try to nag someone to stop _their_ bad habits. Just be prepared to be nagged about your own.

    4. Re:my mother quit when she was pregnant by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      that's barbaric.

    5. Re: my mother quit when she was pregnant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was it? Or are you just fortunate enough to live in a more advanced technological society who has developed less-barbaric medicine on the backs of those who had no such luxury?

    6. Re: my mother quit when she was pregnant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, this is just barbaric full stop. A human pregnancy test is not important enough to warrant killing and torturing a mammal.

    7. Re:my mother quit when she was pregnant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All of these are completely insignificant compared to smoking, nor do they affect the health of others the way smoking does.

    8. Re:my mother quit when she was pregnant by znrt · · Score: 1

      compared to the combined effect af all those, smoking is harmless. its effect is just more noticiable at very small scales. an easy target.

    9. Re: my mother quit when she was pregnant by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      No, this is just barbaric full stop. A human pregnancy test is not important enough to warrant killing and torturing a mammal.

      Perhaps, but your drama llama response justifies animal torture on a scale that Frank Perdue couldn't dream of. Grow up.

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    10. Re:my mother quit when she was pregnant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Phrased differently I would have awarded mod points, the trolling comment levels out the smart part.

      Peer pressure is surely something worth while in society. At the same time, remember that everyone has unhealthy habits. Have you read the ingredients in your shampoo (you put that shit in your hair every day!)?

      But I'm sure that you probably have no problem using "organic" shampoo that uses "natural" sounding names for the ingredients, which are usually the same damn sources of those chemicals whom the scientific names you are scared by.

    11. Re:my mother quit when she was pregnant by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      When "the rabbit died" she quit until after I stopped nursing.

      Yeah, I got the same treatment. But all that means is that we "only" were at developmental risk due to smoking during the first, and most important phase of the pregnancy.

      I see pregnant women today smoking and just shake my head. Oh well, it's a free country...even if you aren't quite so smart.

      It is not and never has been a free country, the government was designed by a bunch of rich white men who wanted to retain control of it after all. That's why they left themselves various loopholes.

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    12. Re:my mother quit when she was pregnant by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      that's barbaric.

      Different times, and different ways of thinking. It's easy to judge in retrospect, and a little difficult to imagine a time when it was okay to skin those rabbits for a fur coat, and nobody would complain about it.

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    13. Re:my mother quit when she was pregnant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That must be why humans are living longer than ever before.

  12. Smokers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are one of those few groups who shouldn't get any healthcare at all. Even when their problem is seemingly unrelated to smoking.

    1. Re:Smokers by znrt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They are one of those few groups who shouldn't get any healthcare at all. Even when their problem is seemingly unrelated to smoking.

      same as car and motorcycle drivers, factory workers and owners, smartphone and computer users, meat and processed food consumers, etc., right?

    2. Re:Smokers by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      They are one of those few groups who shouldn't get any healthcare at all. Even when their problem is seemingly unrelated to smoking.

      You wouldn't want them to get vaccinated? Or have communicable diseases treated?

      Did you work this out all by yourself or did you get help?

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    3. Re:Smokers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I said smokers. Do you have trouble reading? Let me spell it out in capitals for you: SMOKERS.

    4. Re:Smokers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been a smoker for a little over ten years. I've been paying into health insurance plans for roughly twenty. I haven't been to a doctor in seventeen years (and that was required for a tetanus shot so I could attend a public university), so I've paid my fucking dues. I wish your mother hadn't been provided healthcare.

    5. Re:Smokers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Projection does not solve your lack of understanding.

    6. Re:Smokers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Careful now.. you're tap dancing in the minefield between logic and Fox News.

    7. Re:Smokers by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      Why are you even debating the point over smoking, when you (and I) have no idea what the other 'few groups' are? Maybe next on his list is all the Red-headed people because they all didn't even die when Batman knocked them all into that vat of chemicals. Until I hear who the other few groups are, I'm going to assume that mindless hatered and lack of understanding of basic medicine are not even among this niblick's top 10 biggest issues. Hell, the other "few groups" probably include Underweight Belgians, Manx Cat Fanciers and Left Handed Whittlers.

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    8. Re:Smokers by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've been a smoker for a little over ten years. I've been paying into health insurance plans for roughly twenty. I haven't been to a doctor in seventeen years (and that was required for a tetanus shot so I could attend a public university), so I've paid my fucking dues.

      There is a bit of a conumdrum here. As a smoker, you are supposed to die young, and suddenly from a massive heart attack or stroke. Stick with me here, I wish you good health.

      Okay, so lets see what happens, the fate of the evil smoker, as compared to "healthy" people. I've told this story before, but here goes again. My mother in law who was a strict teetotaler, a non smoking person who did everything the healthy way, including drugs that kept all the "danger" readings in line, spent the last ten years of her life as a dementia patient, really hitting the Medicare trough. The last two years of her life ,which is when most healthy people really start racking up the bills, she cost around 600 thousand dollars in hospital bills. Pretty impressive.

      Now let us take the example of my mother. She smoked, and on weekends, we'd enjoy a few beers. She did die of a massive heart attack, and it was over essentially immediately. So even though this is a sample of two, who cost the system more? My Mother in law, who was probably well over a million dollars during her dementia riddled last ten years, or my Mother who lived healthy up to the end of her days, then went out not costing that asshole anything (and she did die several years older than my mother in law anyway.

      Smug people and their ideas on health care are probably the same people that buy high and sell low on the stock market. Using their logic, you would think they would encourage people to smoke. Nope, I've often thought that you could just exchange "smoker" with say the N-word, and see what they got. Just hate.

      But we all do die, regardless of wht way too many people think.. I hope I go out the way my mother did, and my worst nightmare is my smart mother in law's protracted death.

      I wish your mother hadn't been provided healthcare.

      Much better if she was provided free birth control, don't you think?

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    9. Re:Smokers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And divers. All divers should be denied health care. I don't care if it is sky diving, scuba diving, cliff diving, muff diving, or high diving.

      Well, four out of five of those anyway.

    10. Re: Smokers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and fat people. Oh, and Christians! Atheists, too.

      It's too bad your mother didn't abort, asshat.

    11. Re: Smokers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Let smokers excercise their free choice by smoking. Let them access healthcare, but tax the fuck out of tobacco products so those who smoke pay for the increased health cost burden.

    12. Re:Smokers by Pino+Grigio · · Score: 2

      ^ There we have it ladies and gentlemen. This is the logical consequence of socialised healthcare.

      Anonymous Coward would rather we all die lying in our own urine at an arthritic 96 after having spent 40 years of pension contributions, than in our mid-60's from a smoking related disease. He's willing to pay for the former, but not the latter!

    13. Re:Smokers by Pino+Grigio · · Score: 3, Funny

      Muff Divers are at higher risk of throat cancer. Ban Muff Diving, yes.

    14. Re:Smokers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice story, but most people who die from smoking die a horrible and slow death after many expensive medical treatments.

    15. Re: Smokers by Papaspud · · Score: 2

      they already do.

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    16. Re:Smokers by Monoman · · Score: 1

      Do any of those have effect nearby non-users like smoking and "second hand" smokers?

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    17. Re:Smokers by Monoman · · Score: 1

      My experience is different. My parents smoked 30+ years and they didn't die immediately from massive heart attacks as YOU would think. They developed quite a few health problems later in life which required many many meds and doctor visits over their last 10-15 years. Sure, insurance covered much of it but I gotta think the medical industry definitely makes out better if most of their patients are like my parents were.

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    18. Re:Smokers by znrt · · Score: 1

      all of those impact the entire planet, so yes.

    19. Re:Smokers by Monoman · · Score: 1

      I like your style but I think we might have better luck starting small at first.

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    20. Re:Smokers by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Don't feed the troll.

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    21. Re: Smokers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smoking one pack of cigarettes per day for 30 years... What's the total tax for that? A couple of bucks * 365 * 30. This is the amount that should cover the healthcare costs for a dying lung cancer patient... I don't think it does. So the tax needs to be raised to like $20-$30 per pack of cigarettes.

    22. Re:Smokers by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      same as car and motorcycle drivers,

      The argument is that it causes unforeseen health complications, not that it is dangerous. Since the great streetcar scandal, Americans have had literally two choices: own a car, or be left behind economically.

      factory workers and owners,

      Which provide substantial benefit to others.

      smartphone and computer users,

      What? You are no longer in left field. You have left the ballpark.

      meat and processed food consumers, etc., right?

      There is no evidence that eating meat is bad for you, and in fact eating only meat and vegetables has been shown to have immense benefits for some people. Now you've gone from standing outside the ballpark to just being a fucking idiot.

      Not all processed foods are evil, although that's the way to bet. But our government has told us to eat them, essentially, so they (we) are on the hook for that one. When it's had anything to say about it at all, the government has told us not to smoke.

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    23. Re:Smokers by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Nice story, but most people who die from smoking die a horrible and slow death after many expensive medical treatments.

      Citations?

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    24. Re:Smokers by pjh3000 · · Score: 1

      It's true. Cunnilingus can give you throat cancer. http://healthland.time.com/201...

    25. Re:Smokers by sessamoid · · Score: 1

      Not the GP, but personal experience. Smokers cost a lot. They have higher incidence of heart disease (bypasses and stents are not cheap), emphysema (home oxygen, doctors appointments, ER visits galore), cancer (don't even get me started on the cost of cancer treatment).

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    26. Re:Smokers by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      my personal experience is they don't.. my grandfather smoked for 60 years.. he had slight emphysema (used an inhaler when it got bad) and died at 82.

      my grandmother smoked 50 years (quit at the end), had dementia and died at 84, no cancer or emphysema.

      so... what was the point again? oh yah right, personal experience is crap when it comes to making decisions that effect EVERYONE, so please tell them to your friends after dinner (or maybe not) but keep it out of discussions about public policy decisions.

    27. Re:Smokers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a left handed, underweight, Belgian whittler who smokes and fancies Manx, I support this message!

    28. Re:Smokers by znrt · · Score: 1

      same as car and motorcycle drivers,

      The argument is that it causes unforeseen health complications, not that it is dangerous. Since the great streetcar scandal, Americans have had literally two choices: own a car, or be left behind economically.

      not at all, the argument is that it acounts for more than 50% of global pollution, including the production chain. the health consequences on the whole population are far worse than those derived of smoking.

      factory workers and owners,

      see above.

      Which provide substantial benefit to others.

      there you might have a point, citing yourelf: "literally two choices: own a car, or be left behind economically". great stuff!

      smartphone and computer users,

      What? You are no longer in left field. You have left the ballpark.

      see above, dickhead.

      meat and processed food consumers, etc., right?

      There is no evidence that eating meat is bad for you, and in fact eating only meat and vegetables has been shown to have immense benefits for some people. Now you've gone from standing outside the ballpark to just being a fucking idiot.

      Not all processed foods are evil, although that's the way to bet. But our government has told us to eat them, essentially, so they (we) are on the hook for that one. When it's had anything to say about it at all, the government has told us not to smoke.

      there actually is evidence of several negative effects of meat but nevermind. processed food is shit, and it's produced mostly from meat grown to be processed. this whole industrial process is an environmental disgrace and a sanitary hazard your government is not willing to protect you from. in fact healthcare services are flooded with direct victims of this. now tell me something funny about smoking! :D

      shouldn't we be taxing processed food to oblivion, by the same argument?

    29. Re: Smokers by sjames · · Score: 1

      The tax on cigarettes already makes up the majority of the retail price. Meanwhile, since smokers tend to die before needing long term medical care, they are actually less expensive than non-smokers. Especially when you consider that they also spend less time eligible for social security.

      Of course, those taxes are spent on just about anything but medical care for smokers but you can't blame the smokers for that.

    30. Re:Smokers by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      shouldn't we be taxing processed food to oblivion, by the same argument?

      Sure, sounds good. We used to have a 'snack tax' here in California, but retailers complained that it was complicated and it was eventually phased out.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    31. Re:Smokers by Another+Mouse+Coward · · Score: 1

      I get what you are saying, but your sample size of two does not gibe with the rates for a larger population size. My grandmother, a lifelong smoker, had cardiology bills up the ying-yang. My grandfather didn't smoke, but was subjected to a LOT of second-hand smoke from Grandma. He had a couple of cardiac bypasses. They both lived into their 80's which I was sure happy about, but the Medicare folks probably not so much! There is a large group of people like my grandparents and not so many that just up and die quickly without expensive treatment and lingering morbidity.

    32. Re:Smokers by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I get what you are saying, but your sample size of two does not gibe with the rates for a larger population size. My grandmother, a lifelong smoker, had cardiology bills up the ying-yang. My grandfather didn't smoke, but was subjected to a LOT of second-hand smoke from Grandma. He had a couple of cardiac bypasses. They both lived into their 80's which I was sure happy about, but the Medicare folks probably not so much! There is a large group of people like my grandparents and not so many that just up and die quickly without expensive treatment and lingering morbidity.

      And I know a lot of other non-smokers who have a lot of problems also.

      This isn't about defending smoking. In fact Using tobacco products in any form is the hallmark of an idiot. I quit in 1976. Haven't missed it a bit.

      My point, if I have to hammer it in, is that we are all going to die, and no matter how much we think we are going to be immortal, smoking or not smoking is more in line with choosing the mode of our demise. There is more to this matter than concern for health.

      The anti smoking zealots are the same as the mothers against drunk driving zealots, who both by the way, have been pretty successful in meeting their goals. The number of people that smke toady has fallen drastically, and there has been a real dent in dui. Those "random" stops are yielding less arrests now, and in my area (college football and student town) the "random" stops were a real cash cow for a while. Now they might stop a few hundred people and net one or two.

      But now we see weird stuff like "third hand smoke" or "impairment starts with the first drink". There is outrage over vaping, which you would think the zealots would embrace, because now the evil tobacco users aren't using tobacco, and not inhaling all that nasty stuff into their lungs - just nicotine. But people trying to quit with nicotine patches is okay? And one drink will turn you into a careening drunken killer on the highway.

      Yet nicotine is not carcinogenic, and ethanol in proper amounts keeps the CV system clean and healthy. Note that either in large amounts is nasty bad for you.

      More like a lot of people just need a target to bestow their hatred upon. They need something to hate. And there is a weird streak of puritanism in the ultimate goals of both parties - prohibition take 2.

      In the end, my story is we are all gonna die, and just because we do what the "smart" people say you should do, doesn't meant you are going to live any longer than the stupid people who don't do as the smart ones demand.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  13. ANY stress "alters the DNA" of a fetus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Diabetes.

    Obesity.

    Starvation.

    These all result in epigenetic changes to the DNA of a fetus.

    What's REALLY interesting/scary is that these changes themselves can be inherited.

    One of the best groups that has been followed and studied are survivors of starvation in the ghettos of WWII, polish ghetos IIRC.

    We've seen that children who were born to mothers who were actively starving during pregnancy, are more prone to the "thrifty" phenotype, more prone to abnormal weight gain and obesity, than those who's gestation was before or after. Analysis of their genes has shown they had changes in the methylation of certain key genes compared to their parents or peers, altering their expression. In other words, the cells of the developing fetus adapted to the stress they were exposed to, resulting in LIFE LONG ALTERATIONS in the EXPRESSION of their DNA. The DNA itself, DID NOT CHANGE, yet they had different expressions of those same genes, for the rest of their life!

    Crazy, right? Well, wait for this next bit, it'll really bake your noodle.

    The GRANDCHILDREN of those women who were starving while pregnant *inherited* the changes to their parent's DNA (male AND female parents!), even if their mother did not undergo the same stress that their grandmothers did. The altered phenotype they express may be less severe then that of their parent, but they maintain those altered methylation patterns.

    Another way we are finding this is children of women who are obese and/or hyperglycemic (gestational diabetes or poor diabetes control) are more prone to obesity or type 2 diabetes themselves, independent of post-gestational life. And if their mothers happen to have a gastric bypass and lose significant weight, then have another pregnancy? The children conceived after the weight loss seem to be no more likely to have weight issues or diabetes than children of non-obese women.

    On the one hand, this is exciting, because a whole new field of study is blossoming as we watch!

    On the other hand, even if we get the current obesity epidemic under control, or even reverse it, we're going to be feeling the effects for, literally, generations. Sins of the parents, indeed...

    (PS: And, no, I don't mean that to mean the children are being divinely punished for their parents acts. Give me a break, poetic license in a crappy situation.)

    1. Re:ANY stress "alters the DNA" of a fetus. by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      This makes great sense.

      In the wild, other mammals are completely capable of reabsorbing fetuses into their bodies during times of stress, giving evidence that the birth of a litter of young is predicated on environmental factors.

      If a mammal uses resource surplus & hardship as a determining factor to give birth, it is not much of a stretch to imagine genetic predisposition is formulated by those factors as well.

      --
      Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

      Ernest Hemingway

    2. Re:ANY stress "alters the DNA" of a fetus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, let's be fair about the obesity epidemic...it seems to have started when we reduced the weight at which Americans were considered obese. Overnight, 55% of Americans became obese, when it had been a far lower number the day prior. Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.

    3. Re:ANY stress "alters the DNA" of a fetus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering a diagnosis of obesity is made incorporating BMI as a key factor (which, yes, has its own problems, but that's another discussion) and not a specific weight, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you don't actually know what you are talking about, and are just parroting something someone told you, or that you misunderstood.

      If you got that information from your doctor, you owe it to yourself and your health to find someone else. Preferably someone who doesn't either make crap up, lie to make people feel better, or is so behind the times in health care they're going to do more harm than good.

    4. Re:ANY stress "alters the DNA" of a fetus. by Pino+Grigio · · Score: 1

      You know I think this is kind-of bollocks. It seems reasonable to me to assume that at times of environmental stress, an individual baby will survive or not depending on its genes. Therefore more babies with this "thrifty" phenotype will survive than those without, the thrifty phenotype having been constructed from genes already present in mother and father, and effectively randomly selected.

      So when a researcher arrives to study the genes, if he's a complete fucking moron, he will assume that somehow the environment changed the genes of the egg or sperm and that this was passed down to the offspring. This is all notwithstanding that there are dozens or hundreds of mutations in the long chain of mitosis involved in creating another Human being.

    5. Re:ANY stress "alters the DNA" of a fetus. by devent · · Score: 1

      Great, and if you could provide the peer-reviewed articles of the studies then you would deserve the +5 Informative.

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      http://www.mueller-public.de - My site http://www.anr-institute.com/ - Advanced Natural Research Institute
    6. Re:ANY stress "alters the DNA" of a fetus. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, even if we get the current obesity epidemic under control, or even reverse it, we're going to be feeling the effects for, literally, generations. Sins of the parents, indeed...

      That is not the "on the other hand" takeaway for me. The takeaway is that smoking or sucking second-hand smoke during pregnancy is child abuse. I got both; my mom smoked until she found out she was pregnant, while she was trying to get pregnant, and my father never stopped up until his fairly recent death, and supposedly regularly smoked around my pregnant mother (I wasn't there, and she lies to herself regularly, so I can't really trust what she says either.) In spite of there being no family history of it, I have fairly serious activity-induced bronchial asthma.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    7. Re:ANY stress "alters the DNA" of a fetus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your hypothesis relies on one of two things happening:
      1. Poland having a roughly 75% infant mortality rate in post-WW2.
      2. Babies making all the buying decisions in Poland in post-WW2.
      Which are you leaning toward?

    8. Re:ANY stress "alters the DNA" of a fetus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you are suggesting is another cause-effect chain than the presumptions of this research. It's probably a pretty novel thought, and you should be congratulated for it.

      However, it doesn't mean that you are correct. Just that there are very many possibilities at play here.

      When concerning human society, most people survive independently of their genes, so I would lean towards calling bollocks on your bollocks here ;-)
      Not all gene-changes are because of "survival of the fittest". There are many more factors at play than just that. Think how many possible types of feedback-loops there are, in all scales of the universe. Wherever they are, they may have immensely stochastic effects.
      I wouldn't call obesity, diabetes or other vulnerabilities "thrifty" either. It seems stress is universally bad. Maybe to favour the already favoured?

      It's tempting to point out that old wisdom, like "the sins of generations past" and "those who have, will have more and vica versa", still holds true and are often confirmed by more modern and open-minded research.

    9. Re:ANY stress "alters the DNA" of a fetus. by spads · · Score: 1

      Your points are very interesting over-all, but this seems fallacious:

      Another way we are finding this is children of women who are obese and/or hyperglycemic (gestational diabetes or poor diabetes control) are more prone to obesity or type 2 diabetes themselves, independent of post-gestational life. And if their mothers happen to have a gastric bypass and lose significant weight, then have another pregnancy? The children conceived after the weight loss seem to be no more likely to have weight issues or diabetes than children of non-obese women.

      Of course, children born to mothers having gastric bypass should be more prone to obesity (and diabetes), than non-obese mother (irrespective of (pre-) pregnancy behaviors), because their having got the bypass in the first place is indicative of their predisposition to obesity.

      --
      Bukowski said it. I believe it. That settles it.
  14. "Alter" is probably a bad way to put it by thieh · · Score: 1

    I am sure there will be moms who want to make their kids the next X-man by smoking now

  15. them them stronger by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    The changes probably make the child more tolerant to environmental pollution, so there!

  16. Figures by raind · · Score: 1

    Not surprised, I still smoke and feel way more physically and mentally addicted to that, then say alcohol which I gave up years ago.

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    Get up!
  17. Dangling participles anyone? by KitFox · · Score: 5, Funny

    Title got my attention and worried me a little bit.

    So do you need to smoke the mother before or after she's given birth to alter her childrens' DNA?

    --

    @Whee

    1. Re:Dangling participles anyone? by rubycodez · · Score: 0

      If she were strickly smoking cock she wouldn't have been a mother at all

    2. Re:Dangling participles anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK so children should not smoke their mums, got it !

  18. True for weed too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Given that marijuana causes neural changes and alters distribution of grey matter, it would be interesting to learn how it affects the DNA of children born to mothers that smoke it recreationally.

    1. Re:True for weed too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smoking weed is perfectly harmless, even good for you.

      Just ask anyone who smokes it.

      But seriously you're right, it would make a good study.

  19. Adopt by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

    Adopt. That's what we did. My sons birth mother could hardly afford food, much less cigarettes. The 3rd world may suck for many things but they don't chain smoke and there sure as hell aren't any crack addicted parents.

    Kidding aside, you should adopt. There are children in need, and I love my kid as much, if not more than any kid I could have gotten the old fashion way. We were very lucky he needed parents.

    1. Re:Adopt by w_dragon · · Score: 2

      If you've in an area of the world where they grow tobacco people smoke, third world or not. Same way third world countries with poppies often have some level of opium problems. Drugs are cheap if you can produce them yourself.

    2. Re:Adopt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Adopt. That's what we did. My sons birth mother could hardly afford food, much less cigarettes. The 3rd world may suck for many things but they don't chain smoke and there sure as hell aren't any crack addicted parents.

      So in other words, you've adopted a foreign kid. Congratulations, you supid cunt. You're encouraging the baby rabies of the third world instead of taking care of your own.

      Save your platitudes; I hope when the shit hits the fan that you, your wife, and your kid are all face down in the ditch.

    3. Re:Adopt by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I love my kid as much, if not more than any kid I could have gotten the old fashion way.

      That is not only sad, but really disturbing. Well, I guess if you would love an adopted child more than one you home-brewed, you did the right thing

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    4. Re: Adopt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sieg heil, motherfucker.

    5. Re:Adopt by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If you've in an area of the world where they grow tobacco people smoke, third world or not. Same way third world countries with poppies often have some level of opium problems. Drugs are cheap if you can produce them yourself.

      This study is effectively about mass-produced cigarettes, not about tobacco.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  20. Totally against smoking mothers by haruchai · · Score: 4, Funny

    steaming, sauteing, or even poaching will keep them plump & juicy

    --
    Pain is merely failure leaving the body
  21. I quit smoking many years ago... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Funny

    But being a man, I was always smart about which cigarettes I bought. I never bought the ones that caused cancer and all that other scary shit. I only smoked the ones that caused low birth weight and pregnancy complications. I figured since I would never be pregnant, those were the ones to go with. I could never figure out why the brands would keep switching though. ;-)

    1. Re:I quit smoking many years ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did too, but sometimes I got the ones with Carbon Monoxide. I was a smoker, not a goddammed scientist. Is Carbon Monoxide bad for you?

  22. Smoking mothers by Culture20 · · Score: 0

    Children who smoke their mothers have bigger issues than DNA alterations.

  23. Reaction from the Smoking Lobby by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They will likely come out and say it's not the smoking that's causing the damage.
    It's the fact that the government is now forcing everyone to go outside for a cigarette, exposing them to all that extra, harmful UV radiation, thats causing the damage.

  24. I call bollocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everything is bad. Don't do anything, ever.

  25. For people who think smoking is a person's choice by dixonpete · · Score: 1

    I grew up in a haze of tobacco smoke with two heavy smoking parents. In the home, in the car, basically any time I spent with them I was exposed. As an adult living in a apartment building I regularly experience coughing and teary eyes from smoke that comes through from the hallway. It'll probably never happen but I'd be utterly thrilled is tobacco was entirely banned.

  26. Not so bright. by Cammi · · Score: 1

    The key word is "may". For the illiterate ... "may" = "I Don't Know". In other words, this is another Jenny McCarthy Fear Monger article.

    1. Re:Not so bright. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The key word is "may". For the illiterate ... "may" = "I Don't Know". In other words, this is another Jenny McCarthy Fear Monger article.

      So it's actually smoking women that cause autism?

      That's just joking. I agree with you otherwise. This is like those creepy commercials that shows some dude that claims he lost his legs because of smoking.

      Smoking is just plain bad, which is why I gave it up in 1976. All of this FUD is becoming cruel.

      Nothing like suggesting to a pregnant woman that being around cigarette smoke is yet one more thing that she has to fear she'll harm her child with. She feels a tremendous weight of responsibility in the first place - who wouldn't. Let's just amp that up some, eh?

      Both of my parents smoked. And aside from the webbed fingers, and the nictating membrane on my eyes, I'm pretty normal.....

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  27. Odds of birth problems may not be that high... by Kittenman · · Score: 1

    I'm one of many slashdotters (I'm sure) who's mother smoked while pregnant, drank (no doubt) as this behaviour wasn't seen as bad in the times (I was born in '59). No drugs, I suspect - can't imagine my mother (she's been gone 30 years) doing that!.

    I'm not saying that smoking/drinking isn't bad for the unborn child, but the odds may not be as loaded that way as you'd think. And my parents both smoked all the way to their deaths. I've never smoked.

    And yes, I'm normal - why do you ask?

    --
    "The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes" - Winston Churchill
    1. Re:Odds of birth problems may not be that high... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your name is Kittenman, how normal can you be?

    2. Re:Odds of birth problems may not be that high... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      No drugs, I suspect - can't imagine my mother (she's been gone 30 years) doing that!. [...] And yes, I'm normal - why do you ask?

      We know you're normal, you believe against all evidence that tobacco is not a drug.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    3. Re:Odds of birth problems may not be that high... by v3xt0r · · Score: 1

      Hell, I'm convinced that by my mom smoking, she inadvertantly immunized me from smoking-related cancer. That's an awesome DNA mod. Thanks, Mom! =p

      --
      the only permanence in existence, is the impermanence of existence.
  28. Epigenetics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, they were bigger. Around.

  29. Might not always be bad! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My mother smoked and for the most part I am healthy at 46. Non smoker myself. What if it was the reason I was born with the knack?

    I was raised by a single mother with a grade 6 education, sometimes on welfare, no role models to encourage me to go into engineering, no resources to learn electronics or computers etc. When I was young I thought I was adopted because somehow I got the geek gene that was not present before in the family with understanding and knowledge that I seemed to have been born with and became a successful electrical engineer. Maybe it was the smoking.

    Even though smoking is statistically and significantly harmful in many ways, what if some other mutants from the 60's pass on genes that lets their distant offspring survive or prosper in the future. Evolution needs mutation, does it not? Oh, perhaps not. We'll be programming our own genes soon enough I guess.

  30. Hit Single: Nicotine Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Smoking Mothers would be a good name for a band.

  31. Re:It takes a village, but all cultures are equal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On the other white men who stole tobacco from the original inhabitants of these lands

    No such thing.. only 'earlier inhabitants' in the context you're framing.. and they were conquered because they were weak.

  32. Not just mothers... by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 0

    My eldest brother has asthma.

    My Dad smoked. He gave up before his second child was conceived. The rest of us don't have asthma.

    1. Re:Not just mothers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You would figure someone on Slashdot would know better than implying that correlation proves causation. I have 2 cousins, 2 nephews, and 1 niece that all had or have asthma. None of their parents smoke, and smoking was not allowed in their houses. Both cousins were "cured" in time from their asthma, mostly by being treated for allergies (go figure that it was environmental and pet allergies and not tobacco right?). One of my 2 nephews smokes, with asthma, and he has less attacks than his brother and sister.

      Now if every child of smoking parents (or fuck, even a father) became asthmatic, you may have a point. As is, your correlation is worth less than a roach turd and proves even less.

    2. Re:Not just mothers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're reading too much into his post. Where the fuck did he try to "prove" anything? He simply posted an observation. Nowhere did he claim that his observation was proof of causation. Don't you think most Slashdotters are intelligent enough to realize that?

    3. Re:Not just mothers... by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      You're reading too much into his post. Where the fuck did he try to "prove" anything? He simply posted an observation. Nowhere did he claim that his observation was proof of causation. Don't you think most Slashdotters are intelligent enough to realize that?

      I think that most Slashdotters would assume that he's implying the causation. Otherwise, there's no point in posting the anecdote...it's simply another data point.

      --
      Just another day in Paradise
  33. May! by mtthwbrnd · · Score: 0

    That's a great word which in the world of science reporting means: This story is a filler, if you don't have much time then skip this one.

  34. Re:It takes a village, but all cultures are equal by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    Well, it's monday so it's Apple's fault.

  35. Tulips.... by niftymitch · · Score: 1

    Many viruses affect tulips, causing streaked flowers, mottled leaves, distorted plants and stunted growth.
    One evil virus is the tobacco mosaic virus and yes it impacts animals too.

    For 50 years that I know many greenhouses for cut flowers have prohibited tobacco products
    and sterilize their cutting knives.

    Of interest a new virus has been found to infect the gut of many humans. It has only recently
    been identified and the value it provides to the human gut is the hot new research topic.

    The risks to humans from the the tobacco mosaic virus seem to be ignored in much
    of the tobacco cancer research.... I think that is a blunder. I also want to make sure the
    Colorado grower associations take precautions to keep the tobacco mosaic virus out
    of their herb patches.

    --
    Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't. Mark Twain.
  36. erm... by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

    So environmental factors result in DNA changes...is that new?

    I thought that those of us not blinded by religion were already of the opinion that this is part of evolution, adaptation, survival of the fittest and all that good stuff....

    --
    blindly antisocialist = antisocial
    1. Re:erm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA. The entire point is that the DNA hasn't changed, but the expression / suppression of some of it has changed nonetheless, and that those epigenetic changes are themselves heritable.

    2. Re:erm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is actually a disproof of one of the pillars of Darwinian evolutionary theory. These traits are not being inherited by the children, they are being configured within the children. The parents did not have an adapted DNA that allowed them to survive and reproduce better than others within their generation. The trait developed in the second generation as a direct response to the environmental factors affecting the first -- without concern for the survivability of the first.

  37. Re:For people who think smoking is a person's choi by dcw3 · · Score: 1

    Having pretty much been through the same thing...raised by a smoking mom and grandparents, working with smokers until it was banned in our offices in the 80s, etc., etc....I can relate. That said, I'll never support a ban. Why? Because just like anything else you're told you can't have, it encourages people who want to rebel (typically teenagers). And, because I'm typically not in favor of telling someone what they can or cannot do, as long as they're not affecting someone else. Obviously, this would mean that they'd need to be responsible for all the added expense of places to smoke away from everyone else, added insurance expenses, etc.

    --
    Just another day in Paradise
  38. Wouldnt be surprised if so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I cannot even begin to understand the reason why a pregnant "mother" would smoke...
    Seriously... I'm already so sick and tired of smokers total disregard for their own and other peoples health and lives while you have other desperately striving for it that sometimes, for very few seconds I wish that the smokers become immediately impotent and the women barren so that their self destructiveness leave the gene pool already... yes, its extream, but most of the time irresponsible, dumb people cannot realize things another way

  39. I changed my parent's drinking habits... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    When I was born, my father stopped drinking and my mother started drinking. No one ever told me why.

  40. Don't smoke while you're breastfeeding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... you might burn your mom's breast

  41. MUTANT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're "allergic" to "something" in plant smoke, I am afraid YOU are the broken one, and attempting to accommodate you or propagate your genetic line is not rational and should not be encouraged.

  42. Too late! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Modern Hebrew was so 5 minutes ago. We're on Post-Modern Hebrew now and I've heard that Neo-Modern Hebrew will be here any second now!

  43. Terrible title hides lack of news. by tkotz · · Score: 1

    Epigenitic changes are not changes in DNA, pretty much by definition.  They are the differences in gene expression caused by the chemistry of the surrounding environment. It is a fairly new field with the goal of finding the causes of differences between genetically identical subjects. The title should read, smoking expectant mothers adjust their body chemistry, possibly with long term impacts on their children's development.