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EFF: US Gov't Bid To Alter Court Record in Jewel v. NSA
The EFF is only today able to release details of an attempt by the government to alter the historical record in the case brought by the EFF against the NSA in Jewel v. NSA. "On June 6, the court held a long hearing in Jewel in a crowded, open courtroom, widely covered by the press. We were even on the local TV news on two stations. At the end, the Judge ordered both sides to request a transcript since he ordered us to do additional briefing. But when it was over, the government secretly, and surprisingly sought permission to "remove" classified information from the transcript, and even indicated that it wanted to do so secretly, so the public could never even know that they had done so." As you'd expect of the EFF, they fought back with vigorous objections, and in the end the government did not get its way, instead deciding that it hadn't given away any classified information after all.
"The transcript of a court proceeding is the historical record of that event, what will exist and inform the public long after the persons involved are gone. The government's attempt to change this history was unprecedented. We could find no example of where a court had granted such a remedy or even where such a request had been made. This was another example of the government's attempt to shroud in secrecy both its own actions, as well as the challenges to those actions. We are pleased that the record of this attempt is now public. But should the situation recur, we will fight it as hard as we did this time."
The Criminals in Congress (TM) have had the ability to retroactively "correct" the Congressional record forever...
We could find no example of where a court had granted such a remedy or even where such a request had been made.
Well, duh! Normally our rewriting of history is effective enough that you will not find such records.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
Obama's Regime does this grab and release with information on a regular basis.
How many other times does this Administration get away with suddenly classifying information and then lose in court. And, just as suddenly, the information actually contains no classified information.
And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed – if all records told the same tale – then the lie passed into history and became truth. "Who controls the past," ran the Party slogan, "controls the future: who controls the present controls the past." And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. "Reality control," they called it: in Newspeak, "doublethink."
1984 - George Orwell
"I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
I wonder how many people who find this behavior appalling want to give the government that behaves this way even more money and power?
HOW THE HELL DO YOU THINK THEY GOT THE POWER AND RESOURCES TO BEHAVE LIKE THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE?!?!?
Contribute to EFF - they get results!
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Sure there is!
As with the other Ministries in the novel, the Ministry of Truth is a misnomer and in reality serves the opposite of its purported namesake: it is responsible for any necessary falsification of historical events. In another sense, and in keeping with the concept of doublethink, the ministry is aptly named, in that it creates/manufactures "truth" in the Newspeak sense of the word. The book describes a willful fooling of posterity using doctored historical archives to show a government-approved version of events.
Am I living in the real world, or a book?
Back when America was a great country no witnesses would have survived to testify.
It is disgusting what regime does to this country.
The end game of NSA is a perfect one-way mirror: They have all information about your activities, and you have zero information about their activities.
Note that this is the opposite of what the American public needs to make an informed decision during elections.
TFA describes the government hack as an exploit of the particular version of Firefox contained in the TOR Browser Bundle and targeted at Windows.
Am I correct in that Linux-based TOR browsing should be secure from this as well as TOR browsing using TAILS?
I read... ...and it reads to me like.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/...
USG apparently says something in open court they shouldn't have said.
USG makes an overly broad request to remove all record of the event.
Judge shares that info.
Defense argues that, at best, it should be redacted.
Judge seems to agree, asks for details.
USG says, "Meh, I guess it's OK."
Everyone goes home happy.
Meh.
The NSA is not above the local law. Now ask yourself, who's running the country really, nut cases
like the Clap and the Xander and their cheerleaders, or you, the one carrying the vote and the pitchfork.
And if it had been done before how would you know? YOU DON'T!!!!
Thank the judge for following the law and the Constitution rather than political party lines!
are tearing me apart. And breaking my heart.
I like putting my tongue in chicks.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
EFF is doing great work, send them some money!
First Snowden and now another leaker in the government. It's shit like THIS STORY which is why Americans are trying to rally and SAVE THIS COUNTRY. WHAT THE FUCK HAS HAPPENED TO THE USA AND THE CONSTITUTION?
Terrorists? TERRORISTS are our enemy?! You guys could have fooled me, it sure as shit doesn't look like it to me.
I think it should be bigger.
Which party or parties are being referred to by this article when it says "The Court allowed the government a first look at the transcript..." and "...the government wrote a letter..." et cetera. Was it "The Government" or the director of the NSA? Was it "The Government" or The President of the United States of America? Was it "The Government" or someone from the DoD. Was it Congress? The Senate? We the people?
In a packed Court room a gallon of kerosene and igniter works wonders.
The Judge and all would have been consumed in the fire.
The FBI could then go around and remove teeth from the dead.
In the end, just a charred room with 100 or so corpses and no identification and no records.
This is the Obama way and it is coming to You !
Change you can believe in, lol.
But BHO's administration was going to be the most transparent in history. You guys should be cheering him on as he's the 'cool' President/dictator.
Perhaps they [US Gov't] had a different agenda than having the information redacted, perhaps the request was submitted with the understanding that it would be rejected, by rejecting a request which was meant to be rejected it gives the perception to onlookers that the opposition had power and the Judicial System does uphold the law.
Fuck off you partisan hack! This is a simple case of classified information being disclosed by accident, and the attempt to limit the disclosure is now being overblown by the EFF to further their own grandstanding.
And I thought she was just a has been singer? Who knew?