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'Unparticles' May Hold the Key To Superconductivity

KentuckyFC (1144503) writes One curious property of massless particles like photons is that their energy or momentum can take any value across many orders of magnitude, a property that physicists call scale invariance. By contrast, massive particles like electrons always have the same mass regardless of their energy or momentum. So massive particles are not scale invariant. The concept of unparticles is the idea that some "stuff" may have mass, energy and momentum and yet also be scale invariant. This stuff must be profoundly different from ordinary particles, hence the name: unparticles. Nobody has ever seen an unparticle but now physicists are suggesting that unparticles may hold the key to understanding unconventional superconductivity. Their thinking is that at very low temperatures, ordinary particles can sometimes behave like unparticles. In other words, their properties become independent of the scale at which they're observed. So if an unparticle moves without resistance on a tiny scale, then it must also move without resistance at every scale, hence the phenomenon of superconductivity. That could provide some important insights into unconventional superconductivity which has puzzled physicists since it was discovered in the 1980s.

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  1. 7 Up by mdsolar · · Score: 0

    Is scale invariant.

    1. Re:7 Up by Rei · · Score: 0

      7 Up has a mass of 16.1+4.9-3.5 MeV/c.

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    2. Re:7 Up by Phirol · · Score: 1, Funny

      Is scale invariant.

      Yo momma is scale invariant

    3. Re:7 Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, I'm disappointed in this website.

  2. Tautology violation by pla · · Score: 2

    Their thinking is that at very low temperatures, ordinary particles can sometimes behave like unparticles. In other words, their properties become independent of the scale at which they're observed.

    So their properties become independent of scale... When one of their properties falls below a certain value on the scale of temperature?

    And dogs can look like lemurs, as long as they don't look too much like dogs.

    1. Re: Tautology violation by Teranolist · · Score: 2

      Doesn't matter, they'll still taste like chicken!

    2. Re:Tautology violation by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      It didn't say all their properties become scale invariant.

      Not understanding the concept of scale invariance, I may well be talking out of my bum, but maybe temperature is already a scale invariant property.

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    3. Re:Tautology violation by disposable60 · · Score: 1

      Temperature cannot possibly be Scale-Invariant. 32 != 0 != 273.15 unless you use variant scales.

      / my backside has much to say

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    4. Re:Tautology violation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not understanding the concepts involved doesn't make it wrong.

    5. Re:Tautology violation by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      You don't understand the concept of posting on Slashdot.

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    6. Re:Tautology violation by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      PPH seems (as far as I know) to have made a good point here, in that temperature is not a property of particles.

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    7. Re:Tautology violation by pla · · Score: 1

      Ah, good point. Thanks!

      Although I seem to recall recently reading (on Slashdot, even) about individual particles having a "temperature", at least in the quantum if not in the thermodynamic realm, by virtue of their entropy - Clearly that concept doesn't apply as used in TFS, which means it strictly in the thermodynamic sense.

    8. Re:Tautology violation by Phirol · · Score: 0

      Yo momma doesn't understand the concept of posting on Slashdot.

    9. Re:Tautology violation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not even for a single particle?

    10. Re:Tautology violation by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia, Slashdot doesn't understand the concept of posting on Yo Momma.

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    11. Re:Tautology violation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Temperature can be scaled when measured in kelvin. The existence of shifted scales doesn't ruin it anymore than defining a "slom" to be meter*3+7 ruin the scaling of length.

  3. Are they by azav · · Score: 1

    Are they "massive" particles, or simply "particles with mass"? Massive implies too many things, such as "huge", as opposed to merely "with mass".

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    1. Re:Are they by meza · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In particle physics I believe the term "massive particle" is used to denote any particle with mass. Makes for a nice contrast to a massless particle. See for instance the wikipedia entry or the paper in question on arXiv.

    2. Re:Are they by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Compared to something with no mass, any mass is huge.

      I could be wrong, but I think "massive particles" is actually a term of art in particle physics, meaning "particle with mass".

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  4. Why not? by grimJester · · Score: 1

    So their properties become independent of scale... When one of their properties falls below a certain value on the scale of temperature?

    As long as it's cold enough, how cold doesn't matter. Why wouldn't that make sense?

    1. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In a photon, the rest mass, energy, momentum, and temperature are always proportional.
      The physicists define an "unparticle" to have the same property and to have non-zero rest mass.
      pla is pointing out that if the property holds only below a certain temperature, then it's is not fully "scale invariant".

    2. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless that scale invariance is overshadowed by another factor at higher temperatures. For example, gravity doesn't stop working just because One gets a certain distance away from the Earth; instead the gravity of, say, the sun can become a larger contributor under the right circumstances.

  5. Unparticles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Scientist 1: How about we fuck with the public again today?
    Scientist 2: What do you have in mind?
    Scientist 1: Let's invent a new term "unparticle", give it a scientific sounding description and do a press release.
    Scientist 2: You are just evil. I love it.
    Scientist 1: I can't wait to log into Slashdot and see the "geniuses" explain how it works.

  6. It's called the Higgs Field by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It gives particles mass. Photons do not interact with the Higgs Field.

    Can any moron be a scientist now?

    1. Re:It's called the Higgs Field by sillybilly · · Score: 0

      And by the way there is such a thing as a soft cockblock, or soft exterminating, not by not having any kids, but having fewer than the average in the environment, such as 1 child only where everyone has 3. Or even on a massive scale, like the Chinese government promoting a one child policy, to drop population levels, when the tradition in China is that everyone likes big families, and lots of life, and those that do like big families tend to be the ones that survive and drown out those that don't, so that tendency is enhanced over time. But I met a guy named Earl, and when I asked him if he has kids, he say yeah, but one, and the way he held up his finger and said the whole thing, sounded like he meant to have just one and not more, as a matter of principle, or something, and I don't know if that was over economics, or what his motivations were, but there is such a thing as a soft cockblock of less children, or just one child (you can't really have a half a child, or a quarter child until some biotech invention makes it possible with a 4 person or 8 person marriage super family producing only a single child that's a blend of everybody in the family (for now we have lots of no-child families to balance out ones that have 2+), or, unless you consider your cousin's kids a quarter yours, some people are klanist, tribal and racist like that), that's softer than a full cockblock.

    2. Re:It's called the Higgs Field by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need another cold beer my friend.

  7. What is temperature? by PPH · · Score: 3, Insightful

    at at very low temperatures, ordinary particles can sometimes behave like unparticles

    Temperature is related to the kinetic energy of a group of particles. It determines which way energy will be transfered in interactions between them. The concept of temperature for a single particle is somewhat strange. A particle doesn't know how fast it is moving (and what kinetic energy and temperature it has) until it hits something. So temperature and superconductivity are properties of the system, not each particle.

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    1. Re:What is temperature? by timeOday · · Score: 1

      A single particle would have a different temperature relative to any other single particle, would it not? Essentially just the closure rate? So temperature is a relation between particles, not a property of a individual particles.

    2. Re:What is temperature? by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      I don't like calling it kinetic energy as that generally means linear motion for a particle, the particles are vibrating and that level of vibration is the temperature. The higher the vibration the more likely it is to react with surrounding particles through accidental collisions. Zero Kelvin is supposed to be the point where all the vibration stops and the particle is no longer vibrating.

    3. Re:What is temperature? by PPH · · Score: 2

      Yep. Its all about frames of reference (I don't even want to think about relativistic thermodynamics).

      Aerodynamicists talk about airflow stagnation against an object as the air 'decelerates' in its vicinity. In reality, the airplane is moving through what was still air and acelerating it. But the math all works out the same.

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    4. Re:What is temperature? by PPH · · Score: 1

      Linear motion vs vibration depends on whether you are speaking of a single particle (simple case) or a molecule that can store energy in its bonds (more complex case). A single particle does in fact move linearly until it hits something and simple Newtonian mechanics apply.

      Feynman's Lectures on Physics have a pretty good rundown on the mechanics involved.

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  8. Unexplainons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I propose a new particle - the Unexplainon - which is responsible for all currently unexplained phenomenon.

    When do I collect my Nobel prize?

    1. Re:Unexplainons by Anguirel · · Score: 1

      Nobel prizes in Physics are awarded for discoveries, not theories or proposals.

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  9. This 1984 crap has gone too far! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    First unpersons, now unparticles?

    The Party's meddling in physics id doubleplusungood.

    1. Re:This 1984 crap has gone too far! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guantanamo is filled with unsoldiers, who are also unpersons and have been untortured. Tripleplusgood!

  10. Uncertainty principle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Sounds like the uncertainty principle at play. That is, at low enough temperatures you should have very high confidence of the momentum on a particle, but that inversely means you should have very low confidence on its position. Ergo, it has approaching equal probability on being located anywhere in the superconductor--just like in the double slit experiment, where multiple paths can/are taken and the derived "real" path is the result of interference patterns of all those paths.

    The only real puzzling part to me would be how high temperature superconductivity works, then. As I don't think the temperature range in question is remotely low enough to have much certainly on the momentum.

  11. unconventional superconductivity by tomhath · · Score: 1

    unparticles may hold the key to understanding unconventional superconductivity

    Should it be called Unresistance?

    Would it still follow Ohm's Law? Or would it now be Un's Law?

  12. E = MC^2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, but the mass of particles such as electrons very definitely does change with energy and momemtum.

    1. Re:E = MC^2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, and photons are not massless either. They have momentum, which means they have mass.

    2. Re:E = MC^2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Mommentum is energy, not mass. Energy and mass can be interchangeable, but they are not the same thing.

    3. Re:E = MC^2 by TomGreenhaw · · Score: 1

      I don't think the article suggest that photons have no momentum, but have zero rest mass. Its the motion of the photon that give it the property of mass.

      These articles provide reasonable explanations: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/... and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...

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  13. "massive particles like electrons" by davidwr · · Score: 4, Funny

    I never thought I'd see those words used literally like that.

    Memo to self: Do NOT, repeat, do NOT call the next skinny woman I see "massive" - being technically correct won't get me a date.

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  14. Constant mass? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "By contrast, massive particles like electrons always have the same mass regardless of their energy or momentum."

    Physics is a distant memory for me, but doesn't E=mc^2 imply a particle's mass is dependent on its energy? I.e. m = E/c^2

  15. Mass versus rest mass by UltraOne · · Score: 1

    The summary (and the referenced Wikipedia article) are sloppy about the use of the term "mass", sometimes using it when they should use the term "rest mass". Zero rest mass particles, such as photons, always move at the speed of light in vacuum. Moving at that speed, they do have mass. The relationship between their energy (E), mass (m), and momentum (p) is:

    E = pc = mc^2,

    where c is the speed of light in vacuum. They fit the definition of uniparticles because those three quantities all scale linearly relative to each other; if you double the momentum, you also double the energy and the mass.

    In contrast, particles with non-zero rest masses (e.g. electrons) follow the equation:

    E^2 = (pc)^2 + ((m0)c^2)^2 = (mc^2)^2,

    where m0 is the rest mass of the particle. The rest mass of these particles does not change, but their mass does change when they are accelerated. Because of the presence of the rest mass term, the relationship between energy, momentum and mass is no longer linear.

  16. Yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  17. This story isn't news.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..on UnSlashdot.

  18. Continuing the meme: by cellocgw · · Score: 1

    I guess if you want to study un-particles, you have to be un-interested.

    And quite possibly un-paid .

    Thanks, folks, try the veal.

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