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Climate Scientist Pioneer Talks About the Furture of Geoengineering
First time accepted submitter merbs writes At the first major climate engineering conference, Stanford climatologist Ken Caldeira explains how and why we might come to live on a geoengineered planet, how the field is rapidly growing (and why that's dangerous), and what the odds are that humans will try to hijack the Earth's thermostat. From the article: "For years, Dr. Ken Caldeira's interest in planet hacking made him a curious outlier in his field. A highly respected atmospheric scientist, he also describes himself as a 'reluctant advocate' of researching solar geoengineering—that is, large-scale efforts to artificially manage the amount of sunlight entering the atmosphere, in order to cool off the globe."
So long as they don't accidentally break some important system that they forgot to account for, I'm all for it.
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We know there is an ice age tipping point just a few degrees colder then present. Geo-engineering could fuck us all if they trust a climate model that overestimates.
Alternatively we could all be driving 10 liter W-16s, just to save the planet.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Furture? Really there's furture?
Yeah, that was my first thought. Before you go fucking with something as important as the climate, you had better be DAMN SURE you know EXACTLY what you're doing. Some systems are just not to be fucked with lightly.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
Humans must control the environment, it's just what we do. To quote the late, great Jacob Bronowski, man is, “...not a figure in a landscape, but the shaper of the landscape.” We've already affected the planet - just look at the deforestation in the Amazon (the jungle) from satellite images - it's impossible to ignore, even from space. If your face looked like the Amazon looks right now you would go see a doctor. How could this not be inevitable? First we sow the fields, next we sow the planets.
If people thought conflicts over rivers, lakes, land were bad wait until one country is setting the thermostat.
What was happening with that solution involving dispersing sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere, just like volcanoes, since volcanoes do that, and it cools the Earth for a good while.
Or extending the smoke stacks of coal burning plants up to 18 miles high so that sulfur dioxide goes into the stratosphere instead?
Did he talk about it furtively because he knew he didn't spellcheck first?
And they already do this stuff at varying scales. Want to increase/decrease rainfall? Been doing it since the 60's and probably earlier.
I say climate scientists are a pretentious lot. And while I hate to be considered an unreasonable person with regard to respecting scientific opinion, climate science is a major source of ridiculously dangerous and harmful ways to do the wrong thing and throw a complex poorly understood system awry. Thanks for the Ice Age/Marsification/Greenhouse World you self-righteous boffins! ;) but complex organic systems are probably pretty resilient, so perhaps it'll just be a temporary roaring correction til Mama decides to purge the fleas on her back who pretended at trying to fix a system that is self-regulating by doing grossly ridiculous things in the interests of saving us from the over-hyped threat of the generation. ..!..
What amazing technology will we come up with in the furture? In the furture, will everyone drive a flying solar-powered car? Will furturistic robots walk the earth in search of energy? I for one cannot wait for furturistic technology to arrive.
It does nothing to address global warming's ugly twin brother, ocean acidification. And by presenting the world's public with an apparent techno-fix, it could deflate the movement to reduce carbon emissions.
"For me, my main concern is that we would start doing solar geoengineering while we're still building things with smokestacks and tailpipes," he tells me. "And in that framing, I think the solar geoengineering is just facilitating continued greenhouse gas emissions."
Very well, as long as you know. No point having a nicer climate for a little while as we set the stage for an oceanic mass extinction.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
But not taking action has consequences, too. Rather scary ones, in this case, I think one could argue. Maybe the responsible thing to do is to is to take a more deliberative role in how our species is altering the environment, rather than just allowing ourselves to continue to alter it according to maladapted systems and nonconscious collective behavior.
Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. (Isaac Asimov)
What we have to do is fairly simple.
1. Stop using fossil fuel. Fairly easy to do this, just end all tax exemptions and artificial subsidies for coal oil and gas. All of them. Then start phasing in retrofits of existing coal plants to use cogeneration (waste heat) and cut coal use in half. Use oil for lubricants. Cut jet fuel use in half using 787s (half fuel use) and turboprops (even less fuel use). Use high speed trains and then battery EV trucks fed by local wind/solar storage for short runs. We know we can do this, we just subsidize the old 18th century methods.
2. Cut energy use in heating/cooling buildings. Efficiency. There's most of your energy use. Passive solar design, put solar cells on roofs, use shades and ceiling fans. We know how to do this and have for half a century. Just expire tax subsidies and exemptions for buildings that don't do this, phasing them out 10 percent a year.
3. There is no 3. It's that fracking simple.
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I forgot to mention that the documentaries on DVD also talk about Monsanto patents on crops that can survive higher than normal levels of aluminum in the soil.
Warmer nations, particularly smaller island nations furiously trying to create global cooling, while an alliance of Canada, Russia, Scandinavia and the newly created United Federation of Antarctica desperately trying to keep it nice and toasty.
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talk is cheap enough https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wmd+weather+media+censorship & the truth can be discomforting.. the distraction causes further inaction...
Geo-engineering to counter the effects of CO2 is like someone taking sleeping pills to counter the effects of habitually doing amphetamines at an alarmingly increasing rate. If that doesn't convince you, how about listening to a well-informed 3rd party who isn't chasing research funding for their pet geo-engineering project: Can Geo-Engineering Save the Planet? - Christopher Williams on Reality Asserts Itself http://therealnews.com/t2/comp...
All they need to do is follow the example set forth in those tomes of knowledge. First you start by putting larger and larger ice cubes into the world's oceans.
When that no longer works (or you run out of ice), you construct a very large mirror in orbit about the Earth which will reflect large amounts of sunlight. Just make sure a piece of space debris doesn't run into it and point it down towards the planet. Ants under a magnifying glass anyone?
Finally, if all else fails, have every robot on the planet point their exhaust vents skyward and at a predetermined signal, furiously vent their gasses to move the planet slightly further away from the Sun.
Simple really.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
Practice makes perfect, so try it out on Venus first.
At the same time, try out warming techniques on mars, so that when inevitably used on and screws up earth, you can attempt to reverse and make it even worse.
Since China has already agreed to GATT, invoking Article XX carbon tariffs on their imports ought to be a solution that avoids more costly and risky approaches.
Already done : we have around 43% of earth's land surface covered by humans .
what the odds are that humans will try to hijack the Earth's thermostat
Industry raising the temps? Long ago.
Green-industry attempts to lower the temps? Started and continuing.
Fighting over whether it's too hot or too cold? Always.
How the heck would we ever get enough peoples on-board to be able to go ahead with deliberate geo-engineering? And if we ever did, would conditions at that time be reversible?
I call for all bad spellers in the wolrd to untie together.
the chemically correct approach... welcome our solar powered bequesters
We're already engaged in geo-engineering so I'm having trouble seeing how doing it in a smarter more rigorous way is a bad thing.
for certain, in about 3 years of not poisoning ourselves. simple sprayed water vapor will help cool our special selves until the creationally supplied balance returns
...let's do Mars first, and *then* take those lessons back to earth.
The law of unintended consequences for well intentioned human interventions into natural systems is legend. Diurnal mongoose introduced to Hawaii to eat nocturnal rats, ended up attacking the same endangered bird species as rats.
Man, the "furture" is gonna be scary....
Did no one see Snowpiercer??
blast from our past... rock on /. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCS-g3HwXdc
Climate Whiz talks about the furture engineering of the English language...more at 11!
What is a "drout"? Sounds bad...
Planet hacking is a very, very, very, very, very, very bad idea. Might I emphasize that a bit more? People don't understand things well enough, are too incompetent, too driven by greed and the risks are enormous.
LEAVE - IT - ALONE.
I don't see any problems with carbon dioxide removal, aside from potential local environmental problems. The methods include reforestation, adding iron to the ocean and grinding up serpentine.
Solar radiation management, like adding sulfates to the air, has lots of global environmental effects, and it doesn't do anything about acidification of the oceans.
It's best to consider these separately.
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Because climate is part of the global system, clearly one must understand the interaction of all the components.
Which means the Climate Whiz (et al) know what all the components are.
And naturally, the Climate Whiz (et al) know what all the components do and how they work.
And, of course, how all the components interact.
With such knowledge one supposes that what 'they' say is true, there is nothing left to discover.
Oh, hey look here, was this already known? Hope there's nothing else hidden out there. How catastrophic could that be :-p
"Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.
Good thing we don't need to geo-engineer the planet to cool it down. Nature is taking care of that for us not so nicely. Another ice age due and these clowns want to cool earth? Pity that CO2 scam didn't work out, now they are "reluctantly" looking at geo-engineering to solve a problem that doesn't exist.
A question for everyone who thinks that CO2 controls the climate. How long with rising CO2 and flat or falling temperatures before you admit your theory is wrong? 20 years? 30? Never?
All 5 of the major datasets (RSS, UAH, HadCRUT4, GISS, NCDC) show no warming for between 14 and almost 18 years. In that time CO2 has risen 8-10%.
Here are 2 predictions. First I predict that CO2 will continue to increase because
China and other countries don't care about CO2. They don't even care about real pollutants much less CO2. Second I predict it will get colder over the next 20-30 years. Why?
Dr Libby in the 1970s said that "looking forward it will stay cold until the mid 80s (it did), then it will warm by about 1/4 degree F until the end of the century (it did), then it gets cold". When asked how cold she was predicting a 1-2 degree F drop with an
outside chance of a 3-4 degree drop. Pray it is the former.
Dr Easterbrook in 2001 said the PDO was done it's positive warm cycle and that we were in for 25-30 years of cold weather. How cold? We have his good, bad and ugly predictions based on previous negative cold phases of the PDO. Pray it is the first one.
Dr Abdusamatov in 2006 said we are at the top of the temperature sine wave and it will be 200 years of cold weather. Pray he is wrong.
Why do I join with them and side with their predictions? While past performance is not a guarantee of future correctness it is a lot better record than the IPCC and their
dozens of models of which none have been accurate. They are all based on CO2 controlling the climate and the other 3 are all cyclical natural cycles. I'll go with those who have a good track record at predicting future climate. Dr Libby is the most impressive as her prediction is 30+ years going and still accurate.