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Device Boots Drones, Google Glass Off Wi-Fi

An anonymous reader writes: Amid the backlash against spy-eye drones as well as wearable cameras like Google Glass, one company is building a device to fight back. The Cyborg Unplug actively scans for drones or Google Glass on a local wireless network and blocks their traffic. They're billing it as an "anti-surveillance system" and marketing it toward businesses, restaurants, and schools. They take pains to note that it's not a jammer, instead sending copies of a de-authentication packet usually sent by a router when it disconnects a device. The device can, however, force devices to disconnect from any network, which they warn may be illegal in some places.

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  1. Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    No different to someone saying to the device user, "Get off the network." The device is welcome to ignore the request.

    And, following a patch, probably will.

    Still, the best way to start to deal with Google Glass is to ostracize the users and ban them from all private establishments. In public streets, simply hold a cameraphone in front of them continually.

    1. Re:Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      You realize that it's a HUD, not just a video camera, right? And, when the video camera is active, there's a light telling you so, right?

    2. Re:Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realise that a monkey with a hat on is still a monkey, yes? And, when an indicator is attached to an electronic device, it can be disabled, or hard to notice, right?

    3. Re:Seems fine to me. by khellendros1984 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course, but what's easier and simultaneously more desirable for more people? A rule asking that the one or two people likely to wear Glass take them off, or asking all the people in the area to pay attention to the little light, if they're bothered by the idea of being recorded?

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    4. Re:Seems fine to me. by penguinoid · · Score: 2

      No different to someone saying to the device user, "Get off the network." The device is welcome to ignore the request.

      And, following a patch, probably will.

      Well, it could also be seen as hacking (of the device) or impersonation (of the wireless hub). If the device properly identifies itself as having nothing to do with the network when sending the disconnect request, then it would be comparable to merely a request. If not, then I see no reason we should encourage the elimination of a feature of our networks by eliminating the disconnect packet from all network code, just so a stupid jammer can work for a month while the code is eliminated.

      In the case of a drone, I suspect the owner of the jammer will be considered responsible for any damage caused by booting the drone from the network, if any.

      And yes, I realize that this is not a device that saturates the EM frequencies to jam a signal. But it has the same purpose and function of a jammer, of terminating the target's communications. And I think it is worse than a jammer, because it might end up deleting a feature of the internet.

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    5. Re:Seems fine to me. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      Personally, I think cell phones are obnoxious and should be jammed in all public places except when the cops show up.

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    6. Re:Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the best way to deal with jerks like you is to ostracize you and kick you off the premises. Which, I guarantee, will happen if you start bothering patrons and customers.

    7. Re:Seems fine to me. by silfen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      or asking all the people in the area to pay attention to the little light, if they're bothered by the idea of being recorded?

      Well, you better get used to the "idea of being recorded" because you are almost constantly being recorded when out and about: by surveillance cameras, smartphones, and wearables of all sorts. Your objections to Google Glass logically have nothing to do with being recorded, you just have a stick up your ass about Google Glass in particular. And you better get over it, because you don't have a legal leg to stand on if you don't like being recorded; your only option is to leave and hide somewhere.

    8. Re:Seems fine to me. by NoKaOi · · Score: 1

      Other than this (FTA):

      it also has an "All Out Mode" that would let you knock devices off of any wireless network, not just yours.

      The big problem with that is not just that it's not your network, but also that if you switch the device on and it interfered with a drone that's already in the air, it could come crashing down and either seriously hurt somebody or at least cost the drone owner a lot of money. If somebody is spying into your backyard, fine, crash that sucker into the ground (after making sure nobody is around to get hurt), but obviously that's not always the case.

      It uses the unique hardware signature that all Wi-Fi devices have to recognize what it's seeing before sending a "deauthentication packet" blocking access.

      Okay, so it identifies by mac address, then sends a deauthentication packet (some sort of ARP spoof maybe)? That ought to count as "false signals," do that to somebody else's device and you should get busted for computer intrusion. If it's your own network, then easy peasy, just block the MAC address.

    9. Re:Seems fine to me. by kangsterizer · · Score: 1

      Actually its "you're not allowed to use *any* wifi network in the range of my device because you're using device X which I decided to ban"
      That's why jammers are illegal - and this is pretty much a jammer as well if you forget about the technical details.

      Sure I dont like privacy invading devices, but Glass and "drones" aren't necessarily used as such. In my experience they're in fact very rarely used as such.

    10. Re:Seems fine to me. by kangsterizer · · Score: 2

      Hope you realize that in modern countries, almost every single establishment is currently recording you on tape inside AND outside their establishments. That includes public transit, public streets of all decently-big cities, every single supermarket, theaters, yada yada...

      Might want to also be fighting that one off.. ya know, where you know they are recording you - rather than a user that is probably not recording you at all.

      (I do not own or use any device like Glass, for the record..)

    11. Re:Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Straw man. TFA has no mention of "asking", and the technology outlined does no such thing. If all you did was ask, I don't know if too many people would have a problem with it.

      If you're bothered by the idea of being recorded, I'd like to know this: how often do you ask the retail stores that you visit to turn off their cameras, because you don't like the idea of being recorded? How often have you asked your bank to point their cameras the other way? How many times have you asked the police officer that pulled you over to disable the camera that's pointing at your car? If your answer is "0" or "never", I politely request that you STFU about the geek in the corner with the Google Glass, because you're being entirely disingenuous, and your attitude is sickening and unwelcome.

    12. Re:Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Google Glass wearing idiots better get used to the idea that if I don't want them on my network, they're gone.

    13. Re:Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glass is just the beginning, what about artificial eyes etc.? Going to mistreat people with them too?

      Your mindset is futile.

    14. Re:Seems fine to me. by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      Am I in that geek's house, or on their property? When I'm in a store or a bank, I'm on their property, and they have an interest in recording me that I understand. Same with the cop; he's doing something comparatively dangerous in the execution of his duties. He's a public servant. A private citizen in a public place recording me for unknown purposes? That's unsettling. Personally, I wouldn't ask them to stop, but I'd be appreciative of a business that forbid its patrons to film other patrons without their permission.

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    15. Re:Seems fine to me. by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      Emphasis on "THEIR" establishments. It's their property. Same way that I could record anyone in my house or on MY property. Doesn't mean that it can't bother me when someone's gratuitously obvious about it.

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    16. Re:Seems fine to me. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, too many people have surrendered or abandoned all other means of distance communicating. We're stuck with cellphones, I'm afraid.

    17. Re:Seems fine to me. by BradMajors · · Score: 1

      Drones do not use wifi.

    18. Re:Seems fine to me. by khellendros1984 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I don't like the idea of anyone else recording me, either (stores, etc), but I find the benefits of getting food, goods, doing my banking, etc outweigh my distaste. It doesn't have anything to do with Google Glass specifically.

      because you don't have a legal leg to stand on

      Why would that be the first thing that comes to mind? I'm not planning on suing someone for recording me. That would be pointless. Just because I have to put up with something to take part in society doesn't mean that I have to like it (or that I wouldn't appreciate places that share my viewpoint on the matter).

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    19. Re:Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah, because artificial eyes would need to be connected to a network, right? I mean, how else would you insert advertisements?

      Futile... yeah, probably, since the world is crawling with idiots.

    20. Re:Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    21. Re:Seems fine to me. by silfen · · Score: 1

      I don't like the idea of anyone else recording me, either (stores, etc), but I find the benefits of getting food, goods, doing my banking, etc outweigh my distaste.

      Well, and the benefit of putting up with Google Glass, cell phone cameras, and the like is that you can actually venture out in the street.

      That, and the fact that a lot of those personal, private recording devices record police abuse, crimes, funny events, alien landings, daily life, polluters, political and corporate scoundrels, whatever. Photography is not a crime; it's a vital and useful part of our democracy. Lose your distaste.

    22. Re:Seems fine to me. by tepples · · Score: 1

      How else should people call roadside assistance or even call the cops in the first place?

    23. Re:Seems fine to me. by NoKaOi · · Score: 1

      Drones do not use wifi.

      Unless you're trying to be an ass and split hairs over the definition of "drone," yes they fucking do. Most off-the shelf drones (for the colloquial use of the word "drone," anyway), including the most popular ones like the Parrot AR.Drone and The Phantom use Wifi.

    24. Re: Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      And you better get used to the idea that if you hijack the connection to my $5000 drone and it crashes, I'll sue you.

    25. Re: Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The day I get me some Google Glass, I also plan on getting a button hidden camera. "You want me to take off my Glass, sir/madam? But of course! (asshole)"

    26. Re: Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some do, like the ones you can pilot from your phone (see: parrot ar).

    27. Re: Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe to connect them to your brain?
      If you knew anything about biology, it may be preeety difficult to route cables the "normal" way, right through the middle of your brain up to your visual cortex. It may be more reasonable to use wireless, with the extra benefit of having an external image processor (so you can see shit), special text mode (so you can read shit) and... sure, a camera.

    28. Re:Seems fine to me. by mjwx · · Score: 1

      or asking all the people in the area to pay attention to the little light, if they're bothered by the idea of being recorded?

      Well, you better get used to the "idea of being recorded" because you are almost constantly being recorded when out and about: by surveillance cameras, smartphones, and wearables of all sorts. Your objections to Google Glass logically have nothing to do with being recorded, you just have a stick up your ass about Google Glass in particular. And you better get over it, because you don't have a legal leg to stand on if you don't like being recorded; your only option is to leave and hide somewhere.

      Further more,

      People intent on recording you for malicious reasons will not be doing so with something as obvious as Google Glass. There are already glasses with small video cameras installed in them that record to a micro SD card or internal storage that are incognito. You will pass dozens, if not hundreds of private security cameras on your daily travels. If being recorded was such a big issue, why haven't Japanese Tourists with their handy cams or tweenage girls recording everything on their iWhatsits been the subject of similar ire.

      Nope, it seems to be centred around Google Glass because it's new and different. Seems the real Glassholes aren't the ones wearing them.

      Beyond this, a lot of people need to realise their vapid lives aren't worth recording (if you're thinking of applying for a reality TV show, this is especially directed at you). The fact is, people aren't following you and recording you because you're common and boring so stop being paranoid, I dont go to the track to watch a bunch of diesel Astras.

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    29. Re:Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Same with the cop; he's doing something comparatively dangerous in the execution of his duties.

      After ferguson we are going to see a lot more cop-cams being deployed.
      And there will be unintended side-effects.

      The cop-cams are being deployed with little to no privacy safe-guards for the video. We will see the video being data-mined, much in the way license-plate scanner data is indiscriminately mined by the police today.

      What we need are rules that restrict what happens to that video. It should be immediately encrypted with encryption keys held by a third party that only gives them up in response to a full-blown warrant (no administrative orders from court clerks). It also should be automatically deleted after a specified time, like one year, unless there is a warrant to preserve it. These safeguards are necessary to prevent (a) misuse and (b) give people confidence to be around officers without fear of being spied on.

    30. Re:Seems fine to me. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Cell phones aren't for calling the cops. They're for getting video of the cops when they show up.

      Roadside assistance, I will grant you, is an appropriate use for cell phones. I think the notion that police are there to protect you or me is somewhat archaic. Did you know that thousands of silencers were part of the DoD giveaway program to metropolitan police departments? Forget about the BearCat armored assault vehicles and other paramilitary hardware. Give me one good reason why any member of any police department would need a silencer. Those are tools for assassins, not for anyone who means to "serve and protect". There's not one possible legal use for a silencer by a member of any police department, yet they are sought out by police departments nationwide, along with .50-cal machine guns, very high-end sniper rifles, tanks and other armored vehicles. There was a news story today of a police force in a small Michigan town with one full-time officer requesting and being given 13 assault weapons with grenade launchers. I'll bet there was some police chief somewhere in the US that heard someone talking about a dub-step gun in Saints Row IV that makes people float up in the air before killing them and immediately put in a requisition to DoD.

      Who the fuck are they protecting? And from whom?

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    31. Re:Seems fine to me. by silfen · · Score: 2

      Oh, no, it's not "inevitable" at all. There are plenty of totalitarian places around the world where people have lost the right to take pictures; it goes right along with losing the right to free speech. We need to fight that the same doesn't happen here.

    32. Re:Seems fine to me. by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Personally, I think cell phones are obnoxious and should be jammed in all public places except when the cops show up.

      Or jammed when the cops show up.

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    33. Re:Seems fine to me. by tepples · · Score: 1

      Give me one good reason why any member of any police department would need a silencer.

      For protecting the hearing of LEOs and bystanders alike, I guess.

    34. Re:Seems fine to me. by schnell · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the notion that police are there to protect you or me is somewhat archaic.

      I've read your posts before so I know I'm tilting at windmills by trying to engage rationally. But you do know that, Ferguson aside, there are more than 4,000 police/sheriff agencies across the US and that day-in, day-out, 99% of what they do is actually protecting/helping people? Somebody has to respond to 911 calls, and defuse domestic violence incidents. Somebody has to take drunk drivers off the road. Somebody has to investigate rapes, assaults and violent crimes. Those people are the police.

      I know a number of police officers personally. Pretty much all of them are nice socially, although I can tell that a few of them like their job a little too much and I wouldn't want to meet them on the wrong side of "at work." And, like many other middle-class people, all my early (pre-college graduation) interactions with police were about underage drinking when I thought to myself, "boy, these guys could be doing something more valuable somewhere else."

      But ultimately the police in the US do an unpopular job - by and large - very well, and pretty much all of them that I have met do really care about making the public safer. There are bad cops - maybe the nature of giving people authority makes there be a few more bad cops than abusers of any other random job - but they are the minority by far. I know it's fun and cool to act like every cop is the Bad Lieutenant or Judge Dredd or something, but it's ignorant and disrespectful to say that thinking police are there to help you is "archaic."

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    35. Re:Seems fine to me. by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      Oh, no, it's not "inevitable" at all. There are plenty of totalitarian places around the world where people have lost the right to take pictures; it goes right along with losing the right to free speech. We need to fight that the same doesn't happen here.

      And I think AC needs to go to one of those places for a couple months. Maybe witness a beheading or two for supposedly worshiping the wrong deity.

    36. Re:Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is an old and honored tradition in law, your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins. Sure you have a right to free speech, but you can't yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater unless there is one. There should be limits on use of a camera too.

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      People these days seem to have even less of a conscience then in his day. Same goes for the sense of Honor that went along with that conscience, perhaps moreso being as it is so expensive to even attempt to defend one's Honor in recent years since it has become so expensive to forget the part about your freedom to swing your fist stopping at their nose. Sort of reminds of that old line from Me and Bobby McGee: "Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose".

      Should we pass laws against photography? Perhaps, to the extant to where it is excessive, after all, public photography is one thing, upskirt shots are another but existing supported laws should be used first before getting carried away. Public officials should not be protected from their abuse being filmed. Those using the cameras should use discretion their use and the results thereof. Bit more concious and honor in everyday life would be nice.

    37. Re:Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most popular ones like the Parrot AR.Drone and The Phantom use Wifi - i.e.: they don't connect to your Wi-Fi network, instead they carry their own Wi-Fi access point that you connect your own phone/tablet to.

    38. Re:Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah, because artificial eyes would need to be connected to a network, right?

      It would be a network of two devices, yes... the eye plus an in-pocket computer doing the visual processing and sending the result through the brain interface.

    39. Re: Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The man up and use a real camera or smart up and use a covert one. And cut with the "democracy" and "exposing abuse" crap, the moment a cop (even a mall cop) will order you to hand over you glasses you will shit your pants and obey.

    40. Re:Seems fine to me. by Vlado · · Score: 1

      And you better get over it, because you don't have a legal leg to stand on if you don't like being recorded;

      That very much depends on where you live. In most of EU there are strict privacy laws that prohibit recording and surveillance in public without an obvious and explicit warning. And yes, that is also a case for things like surveillance cameras on highways, in public and private buildings, in places of business and so on. Also in case of such behavior (recording) you have to be able to get in touch with someone who has additional information about the scope of what is being recorded.

      It is true that personal photo-taking or video recording is exempt from these regulations. However with activities that we're discussing (drones and Google glass-like devices) this is kind of moot. So there is a good chance extra regulation will be put in place.
      Usually regulation here goes in direction that if there is personal information about you somewhere, over which you have no control, distribution of that information is prohibited unless you give your explicit consent.

      So I would not be too surprised if Glass owners and drone operators would have to have large signs attached to their devices (and/or themselves) saying that video surveillance is happening and where we can contact them :-)

      So, you see, there are things that can be done and we do have some legal legs to stand on.

    41. Re:Seems fine to me. by silfen · · Score: 1

      So, you see, there are things that can be done and we do have some legal legs to stand on.

      Oh, as far as the EU is concerned, you're absolutely right. Of course, Europe has a long tradition of totalitarianism and hostility to individual liberties, democracy, and the rule of law. So that's entirely in character for Europe.

    42. Re: Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your $5000 drone crashes and hurts someone, you will pay because you are responsible for it and should have known it could have crashed because of lost connectivity. If crashing it kills someone, you will go to prison. If there's the slightest possibility your stupid expensive toy can malfunction and crash, harming someone, don't fly it. You didn't need drones 10 years ago and you do not need them now.

    43. Re: Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Artificial eyes do not send imagery to a corporate-owned server. Go cash your check, google shill.

    44. Re:Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realise that a monkey with a hat on is still a monkey, yes?

      You calling me a monkey? Ape would be more technically correct. But I don't wear hats.

      And, when an indicator is attached to an electronic device, it can be disabled, or hard to notice, right?

      Are you complaining that Google Glass is too obvious or too hard to notice? I can't tell. There are cheaper surveillance devices that are near invisible.

    45. Re:Seems fine to me. by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      The big problem with that is not just that it's not your network, but also that if you switch the device on and it interfered with a drone that's already in the air, it could come crashing down and either seriously hurt somebody or at least cost the drone owner a lot of money.

      Are you serious about that? That's the worse fucking design in the history of creating things. If it were true.

      Do you realize how spotty cell service is in both large cities and rural areas? It's not something you can rely on for anything, other than a dropout at the wrong time.

    46. Re: Seems fine to me. by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Or maybe to connect them to your brain?

      If those eyes can be disrupted by a wifi attack then you might as well have just put marbles in the sockets instead. Good Lord, and I thought the "drones crash into people if the wifi disappears" claim earlier was indicative of bad design.

      I cannot think of anything worse than an implant with network connectivity to be hacked.

    47. Re:Seems fine to me. by Vlado · · Score: 1

      Haha... That's funny. Especially since the whole argument here was that you do not have a way with which you could prevent someone from infringing on your right to privacy. And we do.

      All the while you're simply saying that there's nothing that can be done about invasive surveillance, since other individuals are going to take that right from you. And your only counter argument is that if government (chosen by the will of the people, if I may add) is the one protecting you, that has to suck.

    48. Re:Seems fine to me. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I know a number of police officers personally. Pretty much all of them are nice socially

      Terrific people, I know. Now you wanna actually address what I said? Why would any of them need silencers for their guns?

      I know it's fun and cool to act like every cop is the Bad Lieutenant or Judge Dredd or something,

      That's not even close to what I said. They don't have to be Bad Lieutenant or Judge Dredd to become someone who tramples peoples rights by just following orders. In fact, I didn't say anything about any member of the police department personally. I'm talking about their professional capacity and the way their relationship to their communities has changed into something quite dangerous.

      I've read your posts before so I know

      Well so far, you're responding to statements I did not make, so you should work on those reading skills.

      OK, karma seppuku committed. Mod away.

      Pro-tip: mentioning what effect your comment has on your karma creeps everyone out. Unless you happen to be talking about your actual karma, and not some Slashdot points system of measuring basically nothing. Whining is unattractive.

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    49. Re: Seems fine to me. by deong · · Score: 1

      That's not entirely true. People are responsible for their devices under normal operating conditions. If you intentionally do something that breaks it, you're at least partially responsible, and very likely solely responsible.

      If you cut my brake lines and I run over someone, you're the one who goes to jail. My car was perfectly safe before your actions, and I took all necessary precautions to keep it safe. If it's legal to fly a drone where you live, then you aren't going to be held responsible for flying one that was intentionally disabled by an unauthorized third party.

    50. Re:Seems fine to me. by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Which is different than my current smartphone. I could hit record, put my smartphone in my shirt pocket (camera lens facing out) and walk around recording people without their knowledge.

      But people freak out about Google Glass as if it's something entirely new and frightening.

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    51. Re:Seems fine to me. by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Existing laws are good enough to protect public photography and yet disallow abuses. For example, when you're out and about in public, you have no expectation of privacy. You don't expect that people won't be able to see you walking down the street. So if someone takes a photo of you, you have no grounds to object. However, a person typically does not consent to the area under their clothes being filmed - even if they are out in public. Taking an upskirt shot of someone typically requires positioning your camera in an unusual manner to capture a shot that your average "person walking past" wouldn't see. There is an expectation of privacy under your clothes. Unless a woman pulls her skirt up of her own volition in a public area (thus removing the expectation of privacy), she is not giving "permission" for a photo to be taken up her skirt merely because she's wearing a skirt.

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    52. Re:Seems fine to me. by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      You could also record someone much less obviously with a smartphone and a dress shirt. Hit record on the phone, stick the phone in the shirt's pocket with the lens facing out, walk around recording people until your microSD card is filled. A 64GB microSD card ($30 or so on Amazon, so definitely not cost-prohibitive) can allow for over 22 hours of recording time. You could theoretically record your entire day with your smartphone in your pocket (assuming you could somehow make the battery last for recording that long).

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    53. Re:Seems fine to me. by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      But ultimately the police in the US do an unpopular job

      It used to be that they did a popular job. If the job is unpopular now, one must consider what changes have taken place between then and now.

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    54. Re:Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because gunfire tends to cause panic and attract more gunfire?

    55. Re:Seems fine to me. by sjames · · Score: 2

      The problem is they jumped the shark. They went too far and now even law abiding citizens are starting to see them as the enemy. Parents now tell their kids to avoid the cops if they get lost and go find someone with kids instead. They have forgotten their actual purpose. Busting heads, shooting, punishment and locking people up are supposed to be unfortunate necessities for protecting and serving, but too many enjoy that too much and protecting and serving have become the unfortunate necessity.

      That's why decades ago, teens caught with beer got to watch the cop pour the beer out but today they go to jail (possibly after being tazed). Decades ago, a losty child got taken home to a relieved parent and that was the end of it. Now, there are inevitable complications where people who either have no kids or could afford a full time nanny (or, perhaps, just a really strong double standard) sit in judgement over them and threaten to steal their kids away.

      I have no doubt there are plenty of cops that are well meaning out there but by turning a blind eye to the bad apples, they become one of them.

      For a recent example, a bunch of cops did a no-knock raid on a home recently based on the word of a known criminal. They raided the home and in the process tossed a flash-bang into a crib causing the child life threatening injuried. They claim they didn't know there were children in the house but they had to move toys meant for small children out of the way in the yard before executing the raid. Meanwhile, their information was bad. It turns out the target of their raid doesn't live there after-all.

      Mistakes happen, you might say. But apparently apologies DON'T happen. Nor does paying the ruinous medical bills. They have shown not a single sign of remorse. What am I to think other than that the whole department is a pack of baby burning thugs? Why should I trust them? Why should I respect them? Why should I believe they are here to 'protect and serve'?

    56. Re:Seems fine to me. by sjames · · Score: 1

      Which drone drops out of the sky on loss of radio contact?

    57. Re:Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, what "sucks" is that after centuries of genocides and totalitarian regimes, Europeans still cling to the kind of idiotic delusions you repeat here and still are as susceptible to jingoism and propaganda as ever.

    58. Re:Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Google Glass wearing idiots better get used to the idea that if I don't want them on my network, they're gone.

      You do realize that is product allows people to boot Glass and Quadcopters off of networks they don't own right? Kick anyone off a network you own as you see fit, but kicking people off a network you don't own is going to cause problems.

    59. Re:Seems fine to me. by MaryAnnEvans · · Score: 1

      Well, and the benefit of putting up with Google Glass, cell phone cameras, and the like is that you can actually venture out in the street.

      Sure. But that doesn't mean that we have to treat Google Glass users as civilised human beings. We can treat them with contempt just like any other people who don't have manners.

    60. Re:Seems fine to me. by MaryAnnEvans · · Score: 1

      Which places and events are you referring to? The recent beheadings by ISIS were about statehood or politics, not religion - US journalists, and people accused of spying for Israel. Similarly the people the US kill in the middle east with drones, missiles and guns are about statehood and politics, not religion.

    61. Re:Seems fine to me. by MaryAnnEvans · · Score: 1

      People extend their fingers for many purposes all day every day. But extend the middle finger skywards in someone's direction and they will take offense. Civilisation is more complicated than allowed for in your post. Autism is one possible reason for not being able to understand why staring or interacting with another person whilst wearing a camera and a monitor on your face is offensive. Perhaps we shouldn't be calling autistic people "Glassholes". But we should certainly continue pointing out when their behaviour is offensive.

    62. Re:Seems fine to me. by MaryAnnEvans · · Score: 1

      It's not that it's frightening, its that it's offensive. In the same way that raising the middle finger to someone is offensive.

    63. Re:Seems fine to me. by MaryAnnEvans · · Score: 1

      There was a news story today of a police force in a small Michigan town with one full-time officer requesting and being given 13 assault weapons with grenade launchers.

      America is full of gun nuts that want guns when there is no rational need for them, only more danger for themselves and those around them. It's not surprising that a disproportionate percentage of these gun nuts join the police.

    64. Re:Seems fine to me. by silfen · · Score: 1

      We can treat them with contempt just like any other people who don't have manners.

      You mean like yourself?

    65. Re:Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drones do not use wifi.

      Unless you're trying to be an ass and split hairs over the definition of "drone," yes they fucking do. Most off-the shelf drones (for the colloquial use of the word "drone," anyway), including the most popular ones like the Parrot AR.Drone and The Phantom use Wifi.

      Primary control of the DJI phantom is via a 2.4ghz DSS signal that is NOT wifi. Primary video downlink of the majority of RC devices is also either 2.4ghz or 5.8ghz but NOT wifi and out of scope for this product's deauths. Alternate video and telemetry downlink kits for the phantom do use wifi to a pc or mobile device. Even given the cross-section of devices that use wifi for primary control and/or video downlink (the AR.Drone being a great example), the vehicle establishes its own ad hoc network that can be hardened to a degree with trusted host pairing and WPA.

      At the point that a third party injects themselves into a network that they do not own, overcoming good faith network access controls to disrupt network services I doubt that the law will side with the originator of the deauths on the moral high ground.

    66. Re:Seems fine to me. by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      Lose your distaste.

      I'm sure that there are things in the world that you find distasteful as well, and it would be just as effective if an anonymous internet poster said to"lose your distaste" for those things. It may happen through long exposure and desensitization, but it ain't gonna be purely by your say-so.

      Photography isn't a crime. Neither is staring intensely at someone and refusing to stop if they're clearly uncomfortable or ask you to. That doesn't mean that it's not a dick move.

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    67. Re: Seems fine to me. by eightball · · Score: 1

      You don't even need to go this far. Just say, "I'll gladly disable any other cameras on my person if you can find them, too".

    68. Re:Seems fine to me. by SJester · · Score: 1

      I agree with you re monkeys. But I would have to point out that a platypus wearing a hat is completely different from a platypus sans hat. The former may be a secret agent while the latter is just an odd pet.

    69. Re:Seems fine to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... Unless a woman pulls her skirt up of her own volition in a public area (thus removing the expectation of privacy), she is not giving "permission" for a photo to be taken up her skirt merely because she's wearing a skirt.

      How about young college girl wearing something split up both sides on a windy day, I love windy spring days. Would a photo be illegal? Unfortunately I only have the memory.

    70. Re:Seems fine to me. by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      What I don't understand is the violent response some people have. Either actual (Person wearing Google Glass has them ripped off their face) or online comments ("If I ever see someone with Google Glass, I'll punch them in the face!"). Replace "Google Glass" with "Smartphone in a shirt pocket" and it would seem totally ridiculous. (e.g. Punching someone because they have a smartphone in their shirt pocket.) However, some people seem to think that, once Google Glass is involved, all social conventions go out the window.

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    71. Re:Seems fine to me. by silfen · · Score: 1

      My point is that photography in public places is similar to voting and free speech. If you find it "distasteful", you effectively find living in a free society "distasteful". Now, you are entitled to preferring totalitarianism to freedom as much as you like, but don't expect people to respect you for it. The "dick move" is entirely on your side. And expect fierce opposition if you're trying to impose your anti-democratic preferences on others.

    72. Re:Seems fine to me. by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      I find many of the things that people choose to *do* in a free society distasteful. That doesn't mean that I want to restrict rights or impose my will on others. I'd actually rather avoid that as often as possible. It's not my place to tell someone else what to do or think, if they're not actually hurting me. My reaction is purely emotional, and I don't like for my emotions to dictate my actions.

      I don't expect respect from people that don't know me, but for something to be called a "dick move", it actually has to be an action. But go ahead and keep making the assumption that what I say on the Internet maps in a straightforward way to my actions in life. Seems to be par for the course.

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    73. Re:Seems fine to me. by silfen · · Score: 1

      I find many of the things that people choose to *do* in a free society distasteful.

      So do I, but that's not the point. By objecting to public photography, you are objecting to one of the foundations of a free society itself, not merely something that a free society enables people to do. We're talking about an act similar to voting, not to getting an offensive neck tattoo.

      My reaction is purely emotional, and I don't like for my emotions to dictate my actions.

      And I'm saying it would be good to reflect on that emotion and get it under control. Nobody likes to be photographed by random strangers. Nobody likes to go to the dentist either. But adults curb those negative emotions when they realize that whatever triggered them actually serves a greater good. With respect to photography, you don't seem to have made that step.

      I don't expect respect from people that don't know me, but for something to be called a "dick move", it actually has to be an action. But go ahead and keep making the assumption ...

      I didn't make any assumptions. You accused people of "dick moves" and I merely reflected your offensive language back at you, for rhetorical reasons. I actually assume that you are actually far too timid to walk up to a photographer and start a discussion, if not for any other reason, since you obviously have no arguments for objecting to what he is doing. So spare me the self-righteous indignation; if you don't want such language applied to you, don't apply it to other people.

    74. Re:Seems fine to me. by MaryAnnEvans · · Score: 0

      Replace "Google Glass" with "Smartphone in a shirt pocket" and it would seem totally ridiculous.

      Because it's not the same thing.

    75. Re:Seems fine to me. by Nephandus · · Score: 1

      Your circular logic just went right on around and missed the elephant standing in the middle, didn't it?

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    76. Re:Seems fine to me. by Nephandus · · Score: 1

      After a flashbang was shot into the wrong window and set a little girl on fire, SWAT then invaded the correct apartment on the other side of the hall, which means they fired the thing into a window on opposite side of the apartment building first. During the operation, one of them in the hall got into an argument with the girl's grandmother just before the girl ran out into the front room on fire. The officer preceded to shoot her to death 'cause that's what you do to flaming children? When questioned about that part specifically, he reemphasize the grandmother being argumentative.

      His authoritay being questioned was not only a higher priority than burning then murdering a child, but he thought other people should see it that way too. Ironically, that's not the only little girl they've managed to set of fire that year even. Somehow they missed a teenage girl in her house's hallway with assault rifle fire though. How do you hit child beds through windows (and apparently cribs) with a grenade but miss an open door with burst fire? They got a medal for that last operation. Guess it's an accomplishment not to kill innocent civilian minors now.

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  2. The evil bit strikes again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you don't want people on your wifi, just enable encryption.

    Besides, do you really think bad guys are going to honor a deauth packet, especially one sent in bad faith?

    1. Re:The evil bit strikes again! by Isaac-1 · · Score: 1

      In other news disconnected WIFI controled drones start falling from the sky

  3. legal loopholes? by supernova87a · · Score: 1

    Perhaps this device could actually fall through some legal loopholes?

    It doesn't interfere with radio signals themselves (per FCC). It doesn't interfere with legally protected phone communications (also FCC). It takes advantage of wireless standards that have been adopted, but that themselves have little legal protection.

    All it's doing is sending instructions that devices happen to listen to and obey. Bad on the hardware protocols that they allow any equipment to issue these unverified types of commands?

    1. Re:legal loopholes? by msauve · · Score: 1

      "It doesn't interfere with radio signals themselves"

      It causes intentional interference, which is illegal for a Part 15 device.

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    2. Re:legal loopholes? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2

      "It doesn't interfere with radio signals themselves"

      It causes intentional interference, which is illegal for a Part 15 device.

      I don't know about that... by that interpretation, any RST packet sent over Wifi would be illegal.

      This is the digital equivalent of saying "Hey You! Yeah, Google Glass with MAC ID XXXXYYYY! Get off my lawn!"

      The rule for Part 15 devices (which includes Google Glasses) is that they must accept any signal interference and fail gracefully, and they must not cause interference with other signals using the spectrum.

      It doesn't cause any interference with the transmissions, it just sends a message on the transport layer that the device should leave.

    3. Re:legal loopholes? by supernova87a · · Score: 2

      No, it doesn't interfere with other devices' radio signals. Those signals are untouched. It gives other devices a command that they choose to process and disconnect from the network. That's why it could be a loophole. The FCC statement regards jamming, noise, and analog kinds of interference. I don't think this falls into the FCC's traditional definitions of interference.

    4. Re:legal loopholes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That isn't what 'interference' means in this case.

    5. Re:legal loopholes? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      So, the Cyborg Unplug is made by Julian Oliver. Because, PRIVACY!

      Clicking through to his personal site, we're greeted with another one of his creations... the Transparency Grenade. Because, TRANSPARENCY!

      http://julianoliver.com/output...

      So, what happens if I throw a Transparency Grenade into a restaurant with a Cyborg Unplug running? Do they destroy each other?

      HYPOCRISY!!

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    6. Re:legal loopholes? by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      Let me clarify for you... this will fall into the grey zone of: The FCC will enforce it if they want to.
      The primary driver of "if they want to" is which side of the argument has the most money. This company? Or Google?
      If they had just targeted drones they might have been ok... but Google? lol... good luck.

    7. Re:legal loopholes? by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      It is

      (m) Harmful interference. Any emission, radiation or induction that endangers the functioning of a radio navigation service or of other safety services or seriously degrades, obstructs or repeatedly interrupts a radiocommunications service operating in accordance with this chapter.

      http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/te...

      It's pretty much exactly "repeatedly interrupts a radiocommunications service".

      The device's secondary purpose is to violate the FCC licence it uses to operate. They even state "We take no responsibility for the trouble you get yourself into if you choose to deploy your Cyborg Unplug in this mode," because they know it's illegal. (it's primary advertised purpose is to block devices from your own network)

      Easiest way to get around it would be to change the MAC address. You'd probably need to root your google glass though.

    8. Re:legal loopholes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nope, not grey zone. It falls in the "Otherwise interferes" category. Illegal no matter how you look at it.

      http://transition.fcc.gov/eb/jammerenforcement/jamfaq.pdf

      In short.....
          An access point can terminate a connection or refuse to accept one.
          A wireless client can terminate its own connection.
          You can compete for bandwidth to or with an Access Point or other device on the same frequency to do your own communication (but doing so just to block another signal or communication is classified as jamming).

      If you want to block Goggle Glass or Drones the Access Point must be the device that does it.

    9. Re:legal loopholes? by msauve · · Score: 1

      I expected such rationalization. The device actively interferes with the communications of other devices. That's very different that an AP simply saying "no, I don't want to talk to you." If you don't see the difference, you're either stupid or being deliberately obtuse.

      The clear intent of the regulations is that various Part 15 devices be able to peacefully co-exist. Rather than trying to claim there's some pedantic loophole, the reality is the FCC will "call a duck a duck," and this is definitely interference with Part 15 devices.

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    10. Re:legal loopholes? by msauve · · Score: 1

      "No, it doesn't interfere with other devices' radio signals."

      So, you don't know how WiFi works? Because, it does exactly that - it intentionally mimics the radio signals of an AP to tell a device to disconnect. "Interference" isn't limited to blasting the local area with kilowatts of RF noise. It is, amazingly enough, interfering (especially deliberately) with use of the spectrum which would otherwise operate just fine. Intent (case at hand) and unnecessary emissions (defective or poorly designed devices) are a large part of what constitutes "interference." The entire reason for the rule is to allow unlicensed devices to co-exist, and this device is specifically intended to interfere with that co-existence.

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    11. Re:legal loopholes? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      ...and I expected such a response. The reality is that the FCC definitely has the authority to do something about such devices, but it's not Part 15 that gives them that authority. Part 15 is about signals transmission, and is not about transmitted content. Otherwise, any network filter would also fail the Part 15 test if an AP happens to do its own network filtering.

      There's no loophole, but throwing the wrong rules at the problem just confuses the issue.

    12. Re:legal loopholes? by msauve · · Score: 1

      Network filtering doesn't occur at the RF level. Do you understand how this works? Furthermore, Part 15 is a regulation imposed by the FCC, not legislative authority. The FCC is the sole arbitrator of the regulations mean. As a 40+ year licensee, I know that they don't much buy into pedantic word games.

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    13. Re:legal loopholes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the digital equivalent of saying "Hey You! Yeah, Google Glass with MAC ID XXXXYYYY! Get off my lawn!"

      More like "Hey You! Yeah, Google Glass with MAC ID XXXXYYYY! Get off my lawn, my neighbor's lawn, and while you're at it, your own lawn (ie, the wearer's cellphone is working as a mobile hotspot for their Google Glass)!"

    14. Re:legal loopholes? by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      "It doesn't interfere with radio signals themselves"

      It causes intentional interference, which is illegal for a Part 15 device.

      I don't know about that... by that interpretation, any RST packet sent over Wifi would be illegal.

      This is the digital equivalent of saying "Hey You! Yeah, Google Glass with MAC ID XXXXYYYY! Get off my lawn!"

      The rule for Part 15 devices (which includes Google Glasses) is that they must accept any signal interference and fail gracefully, and they must not cause interference with other signals using the spectrum.

      It doesn't cause any interference with the transmissions, it just sends a message on the transport layer that the device should leave.

      But if that message is false then it IS interference. If you eject a device improperly in a public place you are violating the law. You are damaging property and are liable.
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      The object of a camera is permanent image creation. You don't want to be a part, leave.

    15. Re:legal loopholes? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Nope -- if you don't have access to the lawn (you're not on the network) then you can't tell them to get off of it. It is purely "Get off MY lawn!"

    16. Re:legal loopholes? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      It causes intentional interference, which is illegal for a Part 15 device.

      It is an interesting question though ... is a network protocol classed as interference in that sense?

      It's not jamming the signal, it's sending a well-crafted packed which says "piss off".

      I have no idea what the regulations are, so it's a real question ... is the regulation worded in such a way that this is covered by it?

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  4. Their network, their rules. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People can choose to allow or deny access to people and their devices at will.

    Glassholes are gonna find that they are as welcomed as smokers in many places.

    1. Re:Their network, their rules. by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      I fail to see how this will prevent the device from recording.

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    2. Re:Their network, their rules. by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      People can choose to allow or deny access to people and their devices at will.

      Glassholes are gonna find that they are as welcomed as smokers in many places.

      Ahh... but they'll be able to stand closer to the air intake vents :D

    3. Re:Their network, their rules. by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      People can choose to allow or deny access to people and their devices at will.

      Glassholes are gonna find that they are as welcomed as smokers in many places.

      You fail to understand the power of Google.

    4. Re: Their network, their rules. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Europeans are showing the google losers who's the boss right now with special laws and whatever. Google can not stand up to the might of the Euro Aryan Ãoebermensch.

  5. Wise up, man. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    First of all, it's totally irrelevant what these glasses may show the wearer. It's the fact that there's a camera present, and it could potentially be recording that's the problem.

    Second of all, why the fuck should we trust the light to be correct? For all we know the camera is recording, but the light is broken or otherwise not on. That's why we have to assume that the camera is in fact recording at all times, regardless of what the light may indicate.

    The GP is right. We should ostracize any freak who wants to invidate the privacy of others. Spying on people like that is a deviant behavior to engage in, and anyone engaging in it should indeed be shunned.

    1. Re:Wise up, man. by viperidaenz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So you care about cameras out in the open you can see.

      What about all those security cameras all over the place? That dash cams people put in their cars? The traffic cameras local councils use? The red light/speed cameras?

      Not to mention, everyone already has a camera on the phone in their pocket. Not to mention all those people who walk about texting. They may not be texting
      THEY MIGHT BE SECRETLY VIDEO TAPING YOU AND INVADING YOUR PRIVACY IN PUBLIC. Quick, grab every phone you see and smash it!

    2. Re:Wise up, man. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Privacy in public? Are you sure?

    3. Re:Wise up, man. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Security cameras, at least in the EU, are government by laws derived from fairly strict Data Protection directives. They are static, and tend to be owned and controlled by a private establishment, i.e. cannot be used to follow people around. They are there for a particular purpose and tend to be easily identifiable. In any case, there will be warnings about their presence.

      Dash cams are the most obnoxious of everything on your list, but they point toward the road, and the owners of vehicles are already aware that they're trackable by the big fucking registration number on the front and back. No pedestrian signs an agreement to be identifiable or trackable in public. No pedestrian has immediate responsibility for a statistically highly dangerous, fast-moving chunk of metal, so there is no reason why they may need to be identified. Do dash cams sometimes take photos involving pedestrians? Sure, just as sometimes people are found in the backgrounds of photos, but nobody has identified that as a problem.

      Traffic cameras are in stationary, well-indicated positions, again pointing at the road. They are governed by data protection law. They have a specific, well-known purpose.

      Red light cameras have an extremely specific, well-known purpose, and are very clear to see.

      Everyone hates speed cameras, but same applies.

      Having a camera is not the same thing as pointing a camera at someone. Having a gun is not the same thing as pointing a gun at someone.

      Texting does not involve the phone being held in the same position as taking photos. Have you ever even use a mobile telephone?

      Your strawman about violent response is noted, and laughed at.

    4. Re:Wise up, man. by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Those cams are just as much a concern. However, it is less likely to end up on the internet but the chance is still there and there is little ghat can be done.

      However, with glass and drones, we can do somrthing. So why shouldn't we do something when we can?

    5. Re:Wise up, man. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those cams are just as much a concern. However, it is less likely to end up on the internet but the chance is still there and there is little ghat can be done.

      However, with glass and drones, we can do somrthing. So why shouldn't we do something when we can?

      Too true! The world has no shortage of both blindly ignorant assholes and those deliberately being assholes already and therefore is absolutely no reason to add glassholes or have a drones flown by assholes staring at our assholes either!

    6. Re: Wise up, man. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless those cameras are high resolution, manned constantly to find a target and have enough resolution to equal a camera 3 feet away(ie a google perv looking down some girls dress) then that is not the same thing as a google glas wearer trolling a publoc place.

    7. Re:Wise up, man. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First of all, it's totally irrelevant what these glasses may show the wearer. It's the fact that there's a camera present, and it could potentially be recording that's the problem.

      If that were the problem, you'd be against the cameras that record your every move which exist elsewhere. I don't hear the same outrage over cameras taking your picture when you're shopping. Where's the holier than thou ranting about the banks that record your image while you sit in your car? Why does everyone seem to insist "camera for the police are a great idea!" but "camera for the regular guy -- oh noes! that's a privacy violation!"

      We should ostracize paranoiacs like you.

    8. Re:Wise up, man. by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Don't forget about these

    9. Re:Wise up, man. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What about all those security cameras all over the place?

      I have mixed feelings about security cameras. Yes the companies have a right to protect themselves from theft, people "slipping" on the sidewalk in front and such. HOWEVER, more and more I am seeing companies replacing their "in-house" security system (often with rigid "who can view" policies) with a web-based one from some central business (where anyone with a password can login to the system). If the NSA hasn't already been given a free connection you know they have illegally hacked their way in (for the nation's children's security, or course). AND the really annoying part is I can't seem to convince our head IT guy that the company has just plugged our section of street into the national snooping network.

      That dash cams people put in their cars?

      I actually don't mind dash cams, yes they do catch pedestrians in the background, but their primary purpose is to protect the driver from crooked police and accident causing insurance scammers. I think they are well worth the risk.

      The traffic cameras local councils use?

      I don't know enough about these to know what the data retention policies are and who gets access to the video.

      The red light/speed cameras?

      I detest red light/speed cameras. Not only because they can be used to track people, but because they are used by greedy city governments solely to produce revenue. They have been proven multiple times to INCREASE the risk of accidents at intersections where they are installed.

      You didn't mention the big evil, license plate cameras/scanners. At least red light cameras have a sign telling you they are at a particular intersection (required by law in my state) while the police keep license plate scanners as hidden as possible, even to the point of perjury in court. I wish the police chief and mayor in every jurisdiction where these are found was thrown in prison for a very long time.

    10. Re: Wise up, man. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is the reality of it now. However if its you no.

    11. Re: Wise up, man. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why use violence? Ridicule is better. Whenever you see a glasshole, point a finger and laugh: "Hey! See that loser! I'm talkin' about you pedo-creep!"

    12. Re:Wise up, man. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They may not be texting THEY MIGHT BE SECRETLY VIDEO TAPING YOU AND INVADING YOUR PRIVACY IN PUBLIC.

      I do dread the day when I will browse youtube and see my worn-out sneakers on some foot-fetishists shoe critique video.

    13. Re:Wise up, man. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too true! The world has no shortage of both blindly ignorant assholes and those deliberately being assholes already and therefore is absolutely no reason to add glassholes or have a drones flown by assholes staring at our assholes either!

      Why is it I keep thinking everyone worried about the Glassholes are just worried about themselves being recorded while being a standard mark 1 general purpose asshole themselves and getting called out for it?

      As a photographer who often walks around crowded places/events with a large DSLR I can tell you that people are often paranoid about being photographed when they don't want to be. A little courtesy and a non predatory wave usually sets their mind at ease.

      When it comes down to it though, chances are you are really not that interesting and a room full of *glassholes* would ignore you completely.

    14. Re: Wise up, man. by cyberchondriac · · Score: 2

      There's a huge honking difference between someone taking a casual photo or video in public (and remember, you are out in public, not private), and following you around all day. The latter could be legally be construed as harassment, or possibly even assault, among other things.

      Intent is the key thing, here. If they're all over your shit, then yes they're overstepping their bounds and harassing you. OTOH if they're simply wearing google glass at the same cafe you're sitting in, you've no right to shut them down, you're judging them guilty until proven innocent, which infringes on their rights. It's a free country, what right have to you to deny someone else to take a video of their environment when when all concerned are out in a public place? In a sense, their eyes and brain are already doing the same thing, it's why we have eye-witnesses testify in crimes. I've never yet heard a criminal defense say, "that witness had no right to observe and remember my client's actions in public, he didn't give them permission".
      And how can you defend the citizen's recording of police if you're going to shut down citizens who record in public?

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    15. Re:Wise up, man. by MaryAnnEvans · · Score: 1

      What about all those security cameras all over the place? That dash cams people put in their cars? The traffic cameras local councils use? The red light/speed cameras?

      Happy, happy, ambivalent and ambivalent respectively. And distinctly unhappy about the prospect of someone talking to me whilst wearing a camera on their face. Not all camera contexts are equal.

  6. Great, crash the drone into things. by Sowelu · · Score: 2

    So a guy goes out in a field with a recreational drone, connected to his laptop by his very own wifi. Someone else decides they doesn't like drones, and punts the drone off the network (and effectively keeps it from reconnecting). It's now no longer under manual control.

    Yes a drone should have enough automatic control to keep it from cratering when that happens, but you never know. If the drone falls out of the sky and brains some little kid, or keeps going in a straight line and crashes into a building, whoever severed that manual control is going to share some responsibility (at least moral responsibility).

    1. Re:Great, crash the drone into things. by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      I read that as it operates within a particular network.

      Unless you go onto their wifi with this, I don't see it doing anything?

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    2. Re:Great, crash the drone into things. by Sowelu · · Score: 2

      The summary and article say it has a mode that can knock anything off any network. I'm not really sure how that works technically--maybe deauth packets like these always operate outside typical wifi encryption? The implication is that you don't even need to have the access code to a wireless network yourself, to kick someone off of it.

    3. Re:Great, crash the drone into things. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the article:

      That's Unplug's stated purpose, anyway. But, as its creators freely note, it also has an "All Out Mode" that would let you knock devices off of any wireless network, not just yours.

      So, no, not just your WiFi network.

    4. Re:Great, crash the drone into things. by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      That's not going to work. If you've got the drone connected to your laptop via Wifi, unless you want your laptop (and drone) owned in short order, you're going to use an encrypted connection.

      And unless this other device can get on the network, it's not going to do any punting.

      The entire concept behind this device is that it can keep unwanted devices off of PUBLIC networks, such as those provided by schools, restaurants, hotels, businesses, etc.

      So yeah; if someone's flying a drone via a Starbuck's hotspot, this could cause it to land. It won't cause it to crash, because recreational drones that use WiFi have built-in autopilot to handle just such situations, where the controller is no longer accessible. It sets down gently, unless you've reprogrammed the drone intentionally to not do this (in which case you're in contravention of a few laws already).

    5. Re:Great, crash the drone into things. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realize these very same dangers apply to anything that could interrupt or reduce the range of the Wifi the drone uses.

    6. Re:Great, crash the drone into things. by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Moral responsibility maybe. If you don't feel guilty after you block someone's drone from its control network and it kills some kid, there's something wrong with you as a human being. It could put you in jail though.

      I see it as no different that throwing a stick on the ground in front of a skate boarder going down a hill. Nothing illegal about putting sticks on the ground. It's not like you threw it at them. It's their own fault for choosing a mode of transport that can't cope with a stick on the pavement, even if it wasn't there when they made the decision. If they end up getting killed, you're going to jail.

      That's why commercial drones require FAA licenses.

    7. Re:Great, crash the drone into things. by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      . It's now no longer under manual control.

      Sensible UAV software would then automatically pause for a short period waiting for a possible reconnect, and failing that begin a slow decent process straight down until movement stops, then deactivate all motors.

      The only UAVs that don't already do this are absolute cheap ass toys.

      Hint: You shouldn't be flying your UAV on WiFi in the first place, 2.4ghz DSSS or FHSS are acceptable. 802.11, no fucking way.

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    8. Re:Great, crash the drone into things. by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      I'll add that it's also an FCC violation and is classed as "Harmful interference" so you'll also be in for a fine up to $100,000 if you do it in USA.

    9. Re:Great, crash the drone into things. by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      Deauthentication messages work outside wifi encryption. It's a common wifi attack to broadcast deauth messages, then record the reauthentication of clients as they reconnect to the wireless access point. For encryption with known weaknesses (like WEP), reauthentication attempts can be analyzed to discover the network key. This attack is similar, but without the goal of discovering the key.

      Apparently, the 802.11 standard states "Deauthentication is not a request; it is a notification. Deauthentication shall not be refused by either party." If the device is standards-compliant, then spamming a deauthentication message should continually knock it offline.

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    10. Re:Great, crash the drone into things. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As stated before, DEAUTH packets fall outside encryption. Unless you have a modified 802.11 stack which encrypts management frames or ignores DEAUTH notices, you would be disconnected despite payload encryption.

    11. Re:Great, crash the drone into things. by kangsterizer · · Score: 1

      Nope, deauth works on encrypted wifi, too.

    12. Re:Great, crash the drone into things. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      That's right, you don't need to be connected yourself. One trick people use to gather the handshake data they need to crack WPA is to de-auth clients.

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    13. Re:Great, crash the drone into things. by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      Deauthentication messages work outside wifi encryption. It's a common wifi attack to broadcast deauth messages, then record the reauthentication of clients as they reconnect to the wireless access point. For encryption with known weaknesses (like WEP), reauthentication attempts can be analyzed to discover the network key. This attack is similar, but without the goal of discovering the key. Apparently, the 802.11 standard states "Deauthentication is not a request; it is a notification. Deauthentication shall not be refused by either party." If the device is standards-compliant, then spamming a deauthentication message should continually knock it offline.

      Which is why its illegal to craft a fake one. If the manufacturer places a warning that they are not liable if you do that then its illegal. No amount of hand waving, or hand wringing will change that. One lawsuit by a person who knows what happens and Cyborg unplug goes the way of Aereo. This Google we are talking about. Those are only in early beta. When they WANT to roll them out, nothing will stop them.
      And people are ignoring that 3g can be put on them. Then what?

    14. Re:Great, crash the drone into things. by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Oh, lovely.

      (I am fully aware that deauths happen outside of encryption and that's how aircrack and the like work. I was, perhaps naively, hoping this 'product' wouldn't exploit that.)

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    15. Re:Great, crash the drone into things. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the drone falls out of the sky and brains some little kid

      Won't anyone think of the children?

  7. spoofing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is a standalone device, not cooperating with the wifi hub, but it can still send a disconnect request as if from that hub? How is this not a major security flaw in the design of the wireless protocol?

    1. Re:spoofing? by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      It is a security flaw, and it's been recognized as such for a very long time. The IEEE devised 802.11w, which protects most management frames after association and authentication when the connection is encrypted. This includes deauth frames. However, it's not often enabled.

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  8. I wonder what the all network block is by maxwells_deamon · · Score: 1

    If I was going to implement something like this I would try the following:

    Request for DHCP address detected:
                is it from a prohibited MAC address range?
                              Give a bogus Gateway address (packets from the device are lost)
                Else give legitimate address

    1. Re:I wonder what the all network block is by citizenr · · Score: 1

      its de associating wifi clients
      http://code.google.com/p/wifij...

      this has been around for 10 years now

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  9. So... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 0

    What's the problem?

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  10. Web scripts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the FA : "This spring, Oliver made headlines in the tech press by writing glasshole.sh, a Web script"

    Shell scripts are now Web scripts. Thank you based CNN.

  11. It doesn't need to send a "copy" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Deauth frames are unencrypted management frames. Anyone can construct a deauth frame from scratch to kick anyone off any network.

    1. Re:It doesn't need to send a "copy" by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      >Deauth frames are unencrypted management frames.
      Deauth frames are unauthenticated management frames.

      There. Fixed that for you.

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    2. Re: It doesn't need to send a "copy" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not true anymore, see 802.11w

  12. That used to work, but it shouldn't anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    802.11w adds security to management frames:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11w-2009#Protected_Management_Frames ...which prevents this sort of silliness. You can't spoof deauth frames from other stations now, unless the WiFi network happens to be running on an older device.

    Before 802.11w, you could do a passive scan, collect target MAC addresses, and then spoof deauth frames all day long, I know people used to do this at conferences or other crowded events.

    1. Re:That used to work, but it shouldn't anymore by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      802.11w adds security to management frames: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I... ...which prevents this sort of silliness. You can't spoof deauth frames from other stations now, unless the WiFi network happens to be running on an older device.

      Before 802.11w, you could do a passive scan, collect target MAC addresses, and then spoof deauth frames all day long, I know people used to do this at conferences or other crowded events.

      And why was this stopped? Because its a form of malicious hacking.

  13. Re:You have a broken sense of responsibility. by Sowelu · · Score: 1

    "It's absurd that you talk about "responsibility", but then hold responsible everybody but the person who actually was irresponsible."

    I'm not sure you read my post very well. "Shares some responsibility" is not the same as "holds all responsibility", and that's a terrible analogy. It's closer to interrupting the signal of a model plane, and those are entirely legal and socially acceptable. A pilot generally shouldn't fly it somewhere dangerous, but if you kill that signal, you are making a flying object a lot more unpredictable than if it was under user control.

    Besides, beyond the danger, there's just the property damage aspect if it gets lost or goes down in trees or a lake. Is it okay to run down the beach cutting peoples' kite strings, just because hey, they can snap by themselves in a heavy wind?

  14. What problem does this solve? by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

    Video is stored locally.
    All it's going to do is alert the user that something might be going on that is worth recording, so start recording now!

    1. Re:What problem does this solve? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, 'cos anyone who doesn't want to be recorded is automatically worth recording </sarcasm>

  15. Re:You have a broken sense of responsibility. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's say your phone uses a Li-Ion battery. Someone who merely broadcasts a high-powered microwave signal at your pocked should in no way be held responsible just because you chose a battery that's prone to exploding when subjected to intense heat.

  16. MAC Address Fail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Considering that this thing bocks via mac addresses, I'm assuming it's only a matter of time (if it's not possible already) until the drone and glass users start enabling mac spoofing. BTW, the only thing a MAC address has that is "unique" is the macufacturer ID section. The rest is random. So I'm also going to assume that this device will also block any device that just so happens to have a NIC which is also used by a drone or glass maufacturer. So much for open wifi....

  17. Re:You have a broken sense of responsibility. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No you fucking twat it isn't.

    Heres a fucking slashcar analogy... you be driving along and I shoot you in the head causing you to crash. Good thing it's not MY fault you crashed, you OBVIOUSLY could have prevented the crash even when you were dead....

    Fucking retarded morons on /. these days.

  18. I could see this working ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... on "your WiFi with no legal problems.

    A person can do that right now by disallowing people to ride oh "their" WiFi, now.

    One of the places I go to offers "free WiFi." You have to get today's password from them and it's an Internet cafe where they casually monitor the network.

    As for doing anything to other people's WiFi? Strictly illegal.

    People discussing cell phone interruption are missing the design point. It's a "gett off my network," not a radio frequency jammer.

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  19. Since when do drones use public wifi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or any Access point for that matter.... Drones use similar tech to operate, but they aren't going to attach to your Linksys at the coffee shop.

  20. Pointless product in enterprise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work for a company that make enterprise class Wi-Fi products. This is a pointless device. This can be done with the access point or array controls.
    But this only prevents the Wi-Fi network from moving traffic, device is still usable. As many have already ponted out.

  21. Re:You have a broken sense of responsibility. by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

    An 802.11-compliant device that receives a deauthentication message is required to terminate its connection to the base station. As such, if you transmit a deauth, you didn't just "express an idea", you gave a command to a device that's required to obey it. It's like saying "I'm not responsible for the damage caused by hitting the self-destruct button; whoever wired the button to the explosives is". When YOUR actions cause something to happen that wouldn't have happened if you didn't do anything, then YOU are completely at fault.

    Whoever selected wifi is negligent, but that doesn't fully absolve the deauthenticator of responsibility.

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  22. Rules for Radicals by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you're complaining about Google Glass being too invasive, you are a privacy advocate.

    If you're complaining about Google Glass being too invasive on Facebook, you're either a moron or a hypocrite.

    Seriously, I've noticed a high correlation between people who will tell you that Google Glass is a terrible invasion of their privacy and anyone who wears Google Glass should be ostracized and or beaten to death, and people who well tell you that "it's the Internet stupid, there's no more privacy, so just get over it, princess".

    The outrage over Google Glass is an ephemeral cultural phenomenon that will go away when Google Glass (or it's competitors) are actually affordable consumer products. If you're concerned enough about Google Glass to take aggressive actions against users of Google Glass, then you better be mad enough about ubiquitous surveillance to be aggressive about it, too.

    God, hipsters are obnoxious, awful human beings.

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    1. Re:Rules for Radicals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder when the first caveman is going to get shot for assaulting a Glass-wearing gun owner.

    2. Re:Rules for Radicals by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      God, hipsters are obnoxious, awful human beings.

      You mean the people who refuse to stop pointing cameras at people even though they have collectively expressed a desire for privacy because video is cool and it's the youtube age, man, and anyway the government is invading your privacy so what's the big deal anyway, man? Yeah. They're pretty terrible people.

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  23. What is the point? They are carrying a phone by Harlequin80 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ok so the google glass or what ever doesn't connect to your local wifi.... Um and the google glass wearer with their paired LTE phone in their pocket cares why exactly????

    And as for a drone connecting to your wifi - i'm assuming we are looking at war-driving (flying I suppose) drones?

    Pointless devices that is probably illegal looking for a situation that doesn't exist.

    1. Re:What is the point? They are carrying a phone by martin-boundary · · Score: 1

      Ok so the google glass or what ever doesn't connect to your local wifi.... Um and the google glass wearer with their paired LTE phone in their pocket cares why exactly????

      I don't know why *they* care. *I* care about such news, because it's the first step towards building a technology stack that will boot those paired LTE phone / glasshole combos from my neighbourhood.

      Every useful countermeasure technology has to start with baby steps somewhere. Hopefully more sophisticated jammers and anti glasshole viruses will be ready for when we truly need it - when those spyware tools become cheap and more plentiful.

    2. Re:What is the point? They are carrying a phone by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      But how exactly is it a counter-measure?

      I've played with google glass and they aren't interesting enough for me to bother with. But I simply can't imagine walking into a starbucks and faffing around with connecting my glasses to the wifi in starbucks. If would be paired with my phone in my pocket. If I was taking photos it would go out through the phone.

      To me there is no point to this. This seems like the equivalent of your neighbour putting a wifi password on their network to stop you getting access to the internet. Ignoring the cable connection directly into your house and the fact you have never once connected to their network.

    3. Re:What is the point? They are carrying a phone by martin-boundary · · Score: 1

      If would be paired with my phone in my pocket. If I was taking photos it would go out through the phone.

      Like I said in my comment, I view this as the first steps in a suite of countermeasures, not all necessarily through the Wifi protocols.

      I can reasonably imagine that stores or restaurants may create internet free zones, where some technology jams your phone in your pocket, as long as you are within the private premises. Kind of like now, where you can only connect to Wifi if you're reasonably close, the jammers would be localized. Moreover, since every measure invites a countermeasure, there would be other tools that prevent other technologies you might carry from working, once loopholes around the phone jammers become exploitable etc.

      As a technology geek, this interests me, as well as knowing what sorts of things will be available when I truly need it. I don't care if this particular Wifi method is slightly niche.

    4. Re:What is the point? They are carrying a phone by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      I think you missed what I meant. I'm not saying it's not interesting in a "news for nerds way" I'm saying I don't believe this will have any impact on someone using google glass or equivalent, hence they wouldn't care. I don't actually believe this is any form of a counter measure baby step or otherwise.

      Also, don't know about the states, but I would be very surprised if jamming wasn't illegal no mater whether it is a private residence or not. I would almost take a stab at being 100% sure that it would be illegal inside a restaurant or a store.

      Finally lets say that you could take these types of devices offline. There is nothing particularly unique about the hardware in them so you would have to make your approach such that it would carpet bomb heaps of innocent devices. Virus that attack the glass will attack phones. Approaches that can break the pairing or wifi connections will disrupt all those networks everywhere.

  24. Re:You have a broken sense of responsibility. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think it through, son.

    No, you wouldn't be responsible for causing the crash. The driver you shot and killed would still be responsible, even in death. She was the one who lost control of the vehicle.

    You, however, would be responsible for the murder of the driver. This was a criminal action you directly engaged in.

    It's not difficult to comprehend. You are responsible for your actions. You are not responsible for the actions of others. They are responsible for their actions.

  25. Useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If we assume it's relying on MAC matching, then all one has to do is reprogram a different MAC into the device... Or run a bit of software that changes the MAC on the fly...

    And it still doesn't take into account that the drones can use 3G/4G connections, or just an onboard DVR. Same deal with someone wanting to record in the establishment - they can have a camera in a button-style lens with a local DVR, or stream it out over a 3G/4G phone connection...

  26. Re: You have a broken sense of responsibility. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, you would not only be responsible for the car crash, but also for the rape of the driver's companion by your friend after the car crashed.

    You are responsible for all your actions... and their consequences, so think again. Or go ahead and be surprised down the road, whatever.

  27. Why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are all the anti-glass hardliner posts AC's?

    Is this more microsoft astroturf?

  28. google glass phobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All these anti-glass freaks are hilarious. Do they know that the tech will evolve into buttons (the clothes kind, not pinned), watches, hats, broaches, necklaces AND run on cellular? Good luck stopping that, pussies.

  29. Breaking the Law... by Etherwalk · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is arguably a violation of 47 U.S.C. Section 333 (2012), prohibiting willful or malicious interference with radio communications.

    1. Re:Breaking the Law... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the drone operator using wifi on my network would be arguably guilty of violating Title 18 U.S.C Section 1030 under the computer crime and abuse act.

    2. Re:Breaking the Law... by KevReedUK · · Score: 1

      Article is referring to a device that can kick devices off ANY network, not just the operators own. If you have the ability to kick one of my devices off of MY network, how is that NOT a violation of 47 U.S.C. Section 333, and how is my device being on MY network an infringement of the CCAA?

      IANAL, and am in the UK, so this is a genuine question!

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  30. Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I shit my pants. You all have to eat it.

  31. Re:Device Drains Boots, Goggles and Glasses of Wat by disambiguated · · Score: 1

    That makes more sense, thanks. I mean, what's so special about booting from the network, why does it have to be wifi, and why do you need a special device?

  32. So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Change device name and user agent (if not encrypted, they don't know what you are unless you tell them.

  33. Re:You have a broken sense of responsibility. by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    Nah, let's say you walk out to the park with a loaded revolver. You're out there, tossing it over and over again into the air. Someone throws a rock at it, it goes off, shoots someone. Is the rock thrower the only one liable? Or am I liable for a damned air hazard?

  34. Local law tells you are wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Local law here is that video surveillance 8security camera and so forth) cannot so easily be sold or spread without consent of those filmed. As a firm if you get caught get ready for load of problem by the law if you start doing that without release consent. On the other hand mobile phone / google glass is another can of worm because those are done by private persons and the probability of them getting a problem because no consent form is low. So de facto security camera are not a problem, mobile phone or google glass ARE a problem. But mobile phone filming is much easier to detect than google glass filming. Mobile phone : move right and left and the mobile phone is tracking you. Google glass with an intentionally burned out led : the google glass head is tracking you as if only looking at you.
     
    Maybe the sort of excuse you are touting will work in the US or other country where privacy law are so weak. But try that in the EU and good luck explaining yourself.

  35. How is it legal ? Are DoS legal now ? by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

    That's a DoS, no more, no less. I don't see how selecting drones or google glasses makes it different ?
    If you don't want drones or google glasses on your network, configure your router not to accept them.

  36. I like this by DaWhilly · · Score: 2

    Someone created a device which *has* to engage in active surveillance to force a device which may or may not be engaged in surveillance off it's currently connected network.

    I wonder if the device can be configured to kick itself off the network? Someone could bring a 2nd one in, plug it up, and let it actively scan for the 1st device then keep kicking it off.

  37. FCC (855) 55NOJAM Jammer Tip Line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/jammer-enforcement