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HP Buys Cloud Provider, Gets Marten Mickos To Head Its Cloud Division

jfruh writes: In 2010, HP tried to buy its way into the analytics game by shelling out billions for Autonomy, a deal that was a famous disaster. But that isn't stopping the company from making big buys: it will be buying Eucalyptus, a cloud provider headed by ex-MySQL AB CEO Marten Mickos, and bringing Mickos in to head the new HP Cloud division.

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  1. LOL ... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe he can show HP how to do URLs instead of the gibberish ones they've been using for years.

    Because I get the distinct impression that the URLs like "http://h20565.www2.hp.com/portal/site/hpsc/template.PAGE/public/psi/swdHome?sp4ts.oid=3988164&ac.admitted=1410546638124.876444892.492883150" are caused by HP not really knowing how to do it.

    Seriously, what the heck is h20565.www2????

    Either this is a technology failure, or HP has been trying very hard to ensure that nobody could possibly find their documentation.

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    1. Re:LOL ... by i+kan+reed · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If I had to guess, it's a sign of outdated software, and a bureaucratically enforced software standardization.

      h20565 being a server host's identity, www2 being a subnet for their "second generation" website makeover done sometime in the 90s or early 2000s, and the stuff at the end being some sort of session tracking based navigational nightmare.

    2. Re:LOL ... by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 1

      Either this is a technology failure, or HP has been trying very hard to ensure that nobody could possibly find their documentation.

      Well, HP is a Fortune 500 company, so it's probably both.

      Why fail merely through incompetence or ineptness when you can do both? You can legitimately classify every minor bug as WONTFIX - As Designed, and every major bug can be fixed as a design error in the next version of your hardware that costs 10% more. Obsolescence through incompetence is the major business model of the modern world.

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    3. Re:LOL ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most likely, the URL points to the front end of some nightmarish enterprisey custom CMS running HP-UX or similar.

      IBM has very similar URLs for their support document site. I can't even fathom how many machines that request probably passes through before spitting back an HTTP response...the pages are probably constructed from elements in 30 or 40 different hosts and at least a few databases.

    4. Re:LOL ... by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Maybe he can show HP how to do URLs instead of the gibberish ones they've been using for years.

      To be devil's advocate, are URLs "intended" to be human readable? I think there are arguments on both sides.

      Doesn't it seem kind of silly, even though I admit they are more memorable, that every new movie that comes out has a new 'memorable' web site URL that's only relevant for a few months at most, rather than something like http://moviestudio.com/MOVIETI...

    5. Re:LOL ... by martenmickos · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thanks for the suggestion. That’s funny! I will do my best on all fronts at HP.

    6. Re:LOL ... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the suggestion. That's funny! I will do my best on all fronts at HP.

      LOL, only only Slashdot.

      If you can fix that one thing, you will have been a stunning success, for all else that it encompasses. ;-)

      Cheers (and good luck!)

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    7. Re:LOL ... by Jeeeb · · Score: 1

      I'll have you know the website implementation process was par excellence for corporate software*.

      Based on agile principles, the project was overseen by the VP for production, with advice coming from no less than two management consultancies. Actual day-to-day management was of course delegated to a team of internal PM's, carefully interfacing with the external consultancy PM's.

      Stakeholder needs were carefully documented by a team of externaly contracted business analysts prior to commencement. Based on the documented stakeholder needs an internal team of architects, assisted by external advisors, handled the detailed design. Final implementation was handled at HP's center for excellence in Banglore, with BPO consultants providing the pipeline between the project managers and the implementation team.

      Finally after coding was finished IT was presented with the completed website.

      * Disclaimer: You may be surprised to know but n no way did I actually have anything to do with this project or have any idea how it was implemented.

    8. Re:LOL ... by sillybilly · · Score: 1

      Fuck the cloud. Fuck the cloud. Fuck the cloud.
      Just like forced insurance, dog licenses, or Monsanto and their biotech crap, I'll fight the cloud with everything I got, if I get to live.

    9. Re:LOL ... by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      HPSC is Hewlett Packard Support Center. The URL is "gibberish" because it's an auto-generated page. We don't write static pages for products anymore...most companies haven't for years. Thus the "template" in there...our system pulls various info from all over (drivers, manuals, etc) and presents these pages. finding documentation is easy, there's a "Search" on almost every page. Sorry that it's not in a human-comprehensible URL format...

    10. Re:LOL ... by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      I'll bet they both run the same CMS...just with some per-company tweaks. Even though I work at HP, I have no idea what kind of CMS our support site is running...if there even is a "single product" at all!

    11. Re:LOL ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      you sound like you work there - in which case, you should already know that the only thing more useless than the external website search on HP's site, is the internal version of the same search engine.

  2. Good! by twmcneil · · Score: 2

    At least if he's working for HP he won't be able to do any real harm to anyone any longer.

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  3. nice by Charliemopps · · Score: 0

    Since HP is apparently paying every tech news site include Slashdot not to mention their recent court ruling, I'll just leave this here:

    "Hewlett-Packard and three subsidiaries pleaded guilty Thursday to paying bribes to foreign officials in Russia, Mexico and Poland and agreed to pay $108 million in criminal and regulatory penalties. For over 10 years Hewlett-Packard kept 2 sets of books to track slush-funds they used to bribe government officials for favorable contracts."

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/...

    1. Re:nice by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Since HP is apparently paying every tech news site include Slashdot not to mention their recent court ruling, I'll just leave this here:

      Dude, what are you talking about?

      It was on the frigging front page this morning, ZDNet, and a bunch of other places have covered it.

      If you're gonna claim some kind of conspiracy theory, at least go with one that's plausible.

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  4. What's the angle? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    I can understand the interest in the existence of Eucalyptus itself (it's a more or less interface compatible implementation of a bunch of Amazon's heavily used 'cloud' services that you can run stuff on in house or at a non-Amazon 3rd party). Amazon's pricing is crazy aggressive; but sometimes you need to do things in house, want to do things in house, or want to go mixed-strategy(in-house/Amazon for overflow, spread across more than one 3rd party provider, etc, etc.) and in general it's not a good feeling to have a stack of important stuff dependent on a single vendor.

    What I find much harder to understand is what HP gains from this, or what I, the hypothetical customer, as supposed to be willing to pay HP to put its name on here.

    Is this just more HP flailing, or is there an angle I'm missing? Are there lots of potential customers who won't touch Amazon (perhaps because they have to keep stuff internal); but won't touch Eucalyptus without some giant company selling them a support agreement? If so, since Amazon is off the table, why would they care about Amazon API compatibility? Who is the target here, and why aren't they either DIYing it, paying Amazon's incredibly aggressive prices for the real thing, or using an architecturally different cloud/VM arrangement?

    1. Re:What's the angle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's just a diversification strategy, as they are a player in openstack as well.

    2. Re:What's the angle? by symbolset · · Score: 1

      HP will find a way to make it compatible with IE 7 and below on Windows 7 32 bit, run-as Administrator, and absolutely nothing else.

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    3. Re:What's the angle? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Lots of companies and applications make use of the Amazon API. So that one I see in the wild a lot. OpenStack is implementing a compatibility layer for that reason. I'd assume the reason for an HP cloud is to allow IT department that have heavily outsourced to HP to pull Amazon based cloud applications back into the main administration. I.E. a war against rogue IT.

    4. Re:What's the angle? by martenmickos · · Score: 1

      Great question. We are seeing a lot of interest among enterprises to have AWS-like functionality in their own datacenters. And we also know that they are eager to use OpenStack. So at Eucalyptus we decided to do something about it. Here is my blog about the topic: https://www.eucalyptus.com/blog/2014/08/11/why-eucalyptus-keynoting-openstack-conference

    5. Re:What's the angle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It makes sense because HP has been working on one product, an orchestrator utility that can take a catalog of VM architectures (Hyper-V, OpenStack, ESXi) for private clouds, as well as public clouds (AWS, Azure), and have their software abstract that to the user. Open a VM, and the software pretty much does the rest.

      With the ability to move a VM across architectures similar to a "meta" vMotion, it makes life interesting, be it moving a dev machine from a cluster to another one for archiving (perhaps a VM cluster that machines wind up on tier 3 storage, then a Data Domain machine, or even archived to tape.)

      If HP does well with this orchestration technology, abstracting the type of cloud and such, diversifying is only a wise strategy.

      HP is approaching the cloud from multiple angles:

      Private cloud -- the HP Moonshot platform is the densest I've seen for blades (45 blades in a 5RU chassis), so for VDI work, that is hard to beat.

      Public cloud -- their stock in providers.

      Disclaimer: I don't have any connection to HP, but they did a very good demo of their product that made it seem that it might actually be a useful tool... and I'm a jaded, cynical IT person. Am I a fan of HP? I still miss the days when a HP laser printer was constructed that it would outlast the heat death of the universe, and their calculators were a must for any engineering work. However, they seemed to have gotten out of their death spiral they were in a few years back.

    6. Re: What's the angle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I was once an hp employee. Their death came with that mba guy. It is just painfully slow, because they have so much money. No chance in hell to compete with google. Hp already hated real engineers in the late 90s.

    7. Re:What's the angle? by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      Too bad it put this at 0 as an AC...good info there. I actually work at HP, in the Enterprise Services. It's almost mind-boggling how many VM's we run...for a single client, on a single blade rack, there is over 1,200 VMs running. Redhat, MS, Oracle's UVS, whatever might else be out there...I'd bet that in any single data center there's probably 100,000+ VM's running.

      We use f5 load balancers, auto-starting ESX clusters...if a VM goes down it just moves over to a backup VM and alerts us; most times our clients have no continuity interruptions.

      For me, it's much fun mucking about in such an environment, always learning new stuff! I think Meg is doing a really good job too bringing our company around. It's a HUGE company so it takes awhile lol.

    8. Re: What's the angle? by haruchai · · Score: 1

      It's been a long time since I've heard someone other than Carly blamed for the demise of HP.

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    9. Re:What's the angle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      public clouds (AWS, Azure)...Public cloud -- their stock in providers.

      Yeah, look, I know the message is kind of confusing, but you do realise HP has it's own OpenStack based Public Cloud, right?

  5. Low user participation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess Slashdot is really feeling the bite since they won't get rid of the Beta nonsense. I'm glad to see it.

    1. Re:Low user participation by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      The low comment total has nothing to do with beta (though beta is a good reason to log in, since logged-in users can avoid it). Simply put, nobody really gives a damn about the cloud-de-jour any more. "Cloud" is no longer a hot buzz word - it's a buzz-kill, even among geeks and nerds.

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  6. This is horrible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The most famous interview this guy has done was with Guy Kawasaki in 2006, and in that he sounded like a complete and utter Republican dick sucker. He said nothing that was progressive. He said nothing about helping people. All he talked about were profits. He is a horrible person that doesn't care about people. Of course maybe since HP is Republican ruled that is what they want. They hate us and don't care if we die as long as they make their quarterly profits.

    1. Re:This is horrible by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Google has an article, About 11,400,000 results (0.36 seconds), on "capitalism."

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  7. As cloud prices get slashed to nothing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amazon and Microsoft are already slashing cloud pricing to almost nothing. Why would HP want to pay good money to get into a business with margins approaching zero faster than a calculus limit?

  8. Obligatory Link by Sport89 · · Score: 1
  9. a blip on the way to slow death by supernova87a · · Score: 1

    HP is a drowning man, desperately grasping for any lead, imaginary or not, that might save them. The leadership bankrupted and hollowed out a solid line of printer products and other devices, in order to prop up stupid, non-distinctive hardware whose design was phoned in to imagine grabbing some market share with no other purpose. Their PCs, laptops, tablets are a joke. The major purchaser of their equipment are corporations who buy because they extract big discounts from a struggling company with little direction on where to make the important investments.

    Buying a position in the cloud will be a small hiccup on the way to significant slashing of their portfolio, whether they do it voluntarily or because they're forced to soon. HP is too late to the cloud game, where others have already rolled out products and services that customers actually want. They would have to bring a rockstar team to make this a piece of their business that sets them apart, and invest enough to catch up and turn helpful levels of profit. Otherwise, they just bought a huge commodity business that lets them say that they're "getting into cloud in a big way", which will turn into a quiet side pursuit within 2 years...

    1. Re:a blip on the way to slow death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wasn't eucalyptus asking to be merged into openstack just last week?

    2. Re:a blip on the way to slow death by Vanders · · Score: 1

      Your post would carry more weight if HP hadn't already been in public cloud for nearly three years now, and weren't the largest single contributor to OpenStack. Buying Eucalyptus isn't some desperate attempt to get into the cloud market; it's a smart move to consolidate their existing position.

      Don't let facts get in the way of giving HP a good kicking though. This is Slashdot, after all.

  10. Are you a transtesticle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read you are here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and seeing you keep a TomHudson sockpuppet account http://slashdot.org/~tomhudson... and this other of your many sockpuppets on slashdot too http://slashdot.org/~Barbara%2... also makes me believe you may be. Are you?