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Funding Tech For Government, Instead of Tech For Industry

An anonymous reader writes: If you're a creative engineer looking to build a product, you're probably going to end up starting your own business or joining an established one. That's where ideas get funding, and that's where products make a difference (not to mention money). Unfortunately, it also siphons a lot of the tech-related talent away from government (and by extension, everybody else), who could really benefit from this creative brilliance. That's why investor Ron Bouganim just started a $23 million fund for investment in tech companies that develop ideas for the U.S. government. Not only is he hoping to transfer some of the $74 billion spent annually by the government on technology to more efficient targets, but also to change the perception that the best tech comes from giant, entrenched government contractors.

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  1. Edit needed by SternisheFan · · Score: 2
    "If you're a creative engineer looking to build a product, you're probably going to end up starting your own business or joining an established."

    I assume the ''one'' got dropped. :^0

    1. Re:Edit needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 'one' is a superfluity that commonly occurs in speech, particularly in the US, but it is neither necessary nor even good style.

    2. Re:Edit needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 'one' is a superfluity that commonly occurs in speech, particularly in the US, but it is neither necessary nor even good style.

      "Established" is being used as an adjective, and it demands a noun or pronoun!

    3. Re:Edit needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      English must not be your first language, particularly US English.

    4. Re:Edit needed by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      The 'one' is a superfluity that commonly occurs in speech, particularly in the US, but it is neither necessary nor even good style.

      "Established" is being used as an adjective, and it demands a noun or pronoun!

      Correct. An 'established' what? It needs to have a noun of some type appended. Lazy editing.

    5. Re:Edit needed by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Correct. An 'established' what? It needs to have a noun of some type appended

      An established creative :)
      Come on now - you live in a world where Donald Rumsfeld is considered an intellectual and you're complaining about a bit of poor communication?

    6. Re:Edit needed by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      'establishment' or 'established firm' might be better.

    7. Re:Edit needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > In all of them there is a tendency for speakers of unrefined dialects to add something anyway.

      There also appears to be a tendency for morons to abuse the code tag.

    8. Re:Edit needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The noun "business" needed to be stated explicitly because it's nowhere in the paragraph or sentence prior to the empty adjective. There are certainly creative instances where what you claim is true, but Slashdot is a site where the writing is expected to be technical and not creative.

    9. Re:Edit needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AC says "The noun "business" needed to be stated explicitly because it's nowhere in the paragraph or sentence prior to the empty adjective. There are certainly creative instances where what you claim is true, but Slashdot is a site where the writing is expected to be technical and not creative."

      The sentence we are discussing reads: "If you're a creative engineer looking to build a product, you're probably going to end up starting your own business or joining an established."

      One more time, with emphasis; "If you're a creative engineer looking to build a product, you're probably going to end up starting your own *BUSINESS* or joining an established."

      So nice btw to see that some illiterate "editor" has already "corrected" what was proper English into broken Murican.

  2. Tricky proposition by tloh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Having skimmed through the article, it seems to me the elephant in the room is being ignored. A much more compelling case can be made for the fact that too *much* information technology already at the disposal of the government is making it way too easy to abuse the American public. It isn't a question of funding, it is a question of priorities.

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    1. Re:Tricky proposition by tloh · · Score: 1

      I don't think we're talking about the same things. Post-9/11, plenty of cool things have been done by talented IT professionals for the government in the name of national security. If it was desired badly enough, it was made to happen. I don't think cultural differences was much of an impediment that got us to the point we are today.

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    2. Re:Tricky proposition by unimacs · · Score: 2

      I've worked in union environments and non-union ones. Let's just say the union environments don't have the market cornered on dysfunction. In fact, probably the most dysfunctional place I ever worked as a programmer would never happen under a union.

      I suppose it depends on your perspective though. If you like 18 hour days and being considered basically being unemployable by the time your 50, a job as a corporate programmer is an ideal career choice.

    3. Re:Tricky proposition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could you expound on 'union-y'? I'm just turning over this idea of suing you for union based sexual discrimination.

    4. Re:Tricky proposition by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      There's a lot more to government than military intelligence gathering and law enforcement (although it would be a good idea for someone to remind most current governments that those are two things, not one). And most government projects end up spending insane budgets. This isn't limited to the US. It amazes me how often government projects to build databases to store a few million records with a few tens to thousands of queries per second (i.e. the kind of workload that you could run with off-the-shelf software on a relatively low-spec server) end up costing millions. Even with someone designing a pretty web-based GUI, people paid to manually enter all of the data from existing paper records, and 10 years of off-site redundancy, I often can't see where the money could have gone. Large companies often manage to do the same sort of thing.

      The one thing that the US does well in terms of tech spending is mandate that the big company that wins the project should subcontract a certain percentage to small businesses. A lot of tech startups have got their big breaks from this rule.

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    5. Re:Tricky proposition by jmac_the_man · · Score: 2
      Generally speaking, engineers that work for the Federal Government fall under civil service laws and do not belong to unions. These laws, which are intended to prevent a Democrat president from firing all the Republicans when they take office, and then four years later having the new Republican president fire all the Democrats, make it generally hard to fire government employees or to degrade working conditions so much that they quit. Government Engineers are also almost uniformly on the General Schedule (GS scale), which means that their pay and promotion procedures are set by law for the entire GS system, rather than individuals being able to advocate for their own salaries like you'd see in private industry.

      Union contracts are written with the same protections for the workers as goals, so the conditions are similar to what you'd see in a union. However, with a union, there's an organization which you're supposed join and pay dues to. Among government engineers, you see similar conditions, but there's no organization to which you pay dues.

    6. Re:Tricky proposition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      General Schedule and unions are not mutually exclusive. Take a look at the USPTO; engineers employed there are on the GS schedule but belong to POPA.

    7. Re:Tricky proposition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are plenty of federal unions, even for engineers. NAGE and FUSE are just two.

    8. Re:Tricky proposition by whitroth · · Score: 1

      Yes, and unfuck you, too.

      Oh, and your infantile "union-y" - your damn GOP have outsourced a *lot* of the government, so they can claim to have "cut the size of government" (and prevent people from joining unions). It's saved *so* much money... NOT. For example,
      I, personally, am a sysadmin for a federal contractor, and therefore "an engineer working for the US government". Your tax dollars not only pay me (and I get paid *exactly* comparable to GS salaries, and my benefits are similar. Oh, and you're paying for the contract administrator's time (a fed), and you're paying for my "on-site managemenet support" person's time (contractor), and our project manager's time (contractor), and *their* management, and, oh, yes, my company's profits.

      SO much money saved... and many of the poisonous envrironment is due to GOP rules intended solely as anti-union (you don't beleve in freedom of association, either).

      So, thanks *so* much for the ad hominem attack on *me*, and on the people I work with. You're an asshole.

                            mark

  3. Good Luck With That by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The government-it industrial complex is controlled by the same sort of corrupt relationships that the military-industrial complex. Come in to that situation with new ideas and you will get slapped down by entrenched interests intent on making use of networks of people moving back and forth between government and industry in order to create personal wealth. New ideas and new technologies only rock the boat.

    The classic example is the PPACA web site. Hundreds of millions spent on something that would be a 5-10 million dollar project in a sane world.

    1. Re:Good Luck With That by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that's about what Amazon spends on their website. 5-10 million. Or something.

    2. Re:Good Luck With That by JackieBrown · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Maybe it can be run by the corrupt social security or Medicare people instead, right?

    3. Re:Good Luck With That by khakipuce · · Score: 2

      Big contractors and political parties share a mutual benefit from big contracts in that a profitable contractor will make donations to political campaigns, lobby groups and support "government" initiatives such as employing more young people to reduce bad headlines about youth unemployment. Anything that attempts to break up this cosy relationship will be strangled at birth

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    4. Re:Good Luck With That by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. The problem things there is one of the only way that it's largely profitable for someone dealing with the government is to be one of those giants. There's exceptions, of course, but in the end, you have to be an EDS or the like to be able to make money off of the whole affair. The Government can't make up it's damned mind what it wants as one of the main reasons these projects become these sprawling monstrosities- if businesses end up making them...just imagine what the Government can manage to make things go off into the absurd.

  4. Won't solve the real issue. by hsmith · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Lets say you have the best "mobile app" to do whatever, XYZ.

    Oh great, govt customer wants it. They see it today. Well, thanks to procurement, it will be 18 months before they actually buy it. But, by that point, the product will have changed a good bit - well because that is what software does now a day. But, that isn't what Gov manager wanted - they want what they saw 18 months ago.

    The sales cycle will chew startups up and spit them out. Not many can accommodate 18 month+ sales cycles.

    And that even excludes the issues of continuing resolutions means they don't have cash to buy buy many shiny new objects.

    1. Re:Won't solve the real issue. by khallow · · Score: 1

      And it sure won't solve the government completely changing the contract at the last moment.

    2. Re:Won't solve the real issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Those are issues, even "real" issues as said by OP, but what you both don't understand is that they aren't the issues that the guy (some private entrepreneur) wants to address. Yeah, his round peg won't fit in square holes, but he's not even trying to fill square holes.

      What he is trying to do is make jobs. Yes, this is a make-job program. If he guy really wanted to satisfy some government tech need (that may change 18 months down the line, at the last moment, as you two indicated), he could be using that money to start the tech companies himself. No, he's just offering money for other people to do the jobs. He's being a job creator in the literal sense.

      "I have money. Do this job and you can have some of it. I don't care how valuable this job actually is. I just want to see people doing this job"

      And unlike government make job programs, it's not our taxes being spent to fund it. If you think the guy is a fool for doing this, what you should not do is critique him or clue him in... for free. If he is a fool, use the free market to free him from his money.

    3. Re:Won't solve the real issue. by khallow · · Score: 1

      What he is trying to do is make jobs.

      Ugh, that's a terrible characterization especially he actually has a valid business model, invest in start ups whose business model is doing highly profitable services for government. It's not about "making" jobs, but hoovering up public funding for profit.

      I think the spin about returning tech to government is an attempt to evade the opposition to government expenditures. It may also be an attempt to portray the VC fund he represents as being one of a few players in that sector, even though it probably isn't IMHO.

      "I have money. Do this job and you can have some of it. I don't care how valuable this job actually is. I just want to see people doing this job"

      That's not what he's doing. It's a standard VC fund with the expectation of profit. They just happen to specialize in start ups providing government services.

      If you were accurate, he'd be fleeced in short order (your last sentence in other words) and life would move on, but with one significantly poorer and wiser entrepreneur.

    4. Re:Won't solve the real issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ugh, that's a terrible characterization especially he actually has a valid business model, invest in start ups whose business model is doing highly profitable services for government. It's not about "making" jobs, but hoovering up public funding for profit.

      None of that is mutually exclusive with it being a make jobs program. Make-jobs programs can have valid business models too. Not all make-jobs programs are doomed to fail (that would be a terrible characterization)

      I think the spin about returning tech to government is an attempt to evade the opposition to government expenditures. It may also be an attempt to portray the VC fund he represents as being one of a few players in that sector, even though it probably isn't IMHO.

      Sure, why not? Those aren't mutually exclusive with making jobs.

      That's not what he's doing. It's a standard VC fund with the expectation of profit.

      Doesn't contradict what I said. I said value, not profit. You can expect profit to be made shoveling dirt around for government, but that doesn't mean shoveling dirt around is a valuable activity.

      If you were accurate, he'd be fleeced in short order (your last sentence in other words) and life would move on, but with one significantly poorer and wiser entrepreneur.

      Not exactly my words. I said if you think he's a fool, you can go fleece him. I didn't say he will be fleeced for sure. My point there is that it's possible for him to be fleeced by you and I, something that's a lot less possible if he was government.

      If people don't fleece him enough and he actually turns out to be successful, that just means the make-jobs program worked.

    5. Re:Won't solve the real issue. by khallow · · Score: 1

      If people don't fleece him enough and he actually turns out to be successful, that just means the make-jobs program worked.

      Again, that's not what he's doing. Public funding is potentially a huge profitable gravy train. This has little to do with creating jobs except incidentally. The only people who would be fleeced are taxpayers, which is already rather easy to do.

      Further, while I haven't brought it up before in this discussion, what is supposed to be the benefit to just "creating jobs"? Hiring people for make-work means that they aren't available for more productive work.

    6. Re:Won't solve the real issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If people don't fleece him enough and he actually turns out to be successful, that just means the make-jobs program worked.

      Again, that's not what he's doing.

      You have a funny way of quoting. You quoted my statement about fleecing the VC, and said "that" is not what "he" is doing.

      Well... no duh? Of course the VC isn't fleecing himself. That doesn't prove your point nor disprove mine.

      Public funding is potentially a huge profitable gravy train.

      Already addressed in my last reply. Profit != value. It's a false dilemma to present that just because the guy is after profits, then he can't be after jobs.

      This has little to do with creating jobs except incidentally.

      Again, false dilemma. You can both have profits and create jobs at the same time.

      Further, while I haven't brought it up before in this discussion, what is supposed to be the benefit to just "creating jobs"?

      Ask the VC, I'm not the one putting money on the table. He thinks creating jobs that serve government has benefits.

      Hiring people for make-work means that they aren't available for more productive work.

      Exactly. When this VC funds companies that serve government, those companies become unavailable for more productive work, like serving the private sector and the free market

    7. Re:Won't solve the real issue. by khallow · · Score: 1

      You can both have profits and create jobs at the same time.

      Again, I see no evidence for the "create jobs" aspect or why it's even worth discussing.

      Exactly. When this VC funds companies that serve government, those companies become unavailable for more productive work, like serving the private sector and the free market

      No, when the government funds the companies that serve government, then a lot of resources, not just the companies themselves, become unavailable for the private sector, "free" markets, etc.

  5. Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...change the perception that the best tech comes from giant, entrenched government contractors."

    I wasn't aware there was such a perception.

  6. Competent Engineers Not Wanted! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The government requires mediocrity to provide stability (anyone too smart or too stupid will cause instability, rocking the boat). No one exceptional will endure a government position, unless they have serious masochistic tendencies. Why would an investor choose to waste money developing ignored products for government? It must somehow improve political influence, as long as the failures don't become noticable. However, given the typical success of government contracts with normal incompetence, it would be hard to do less than an acceptable job.

  7. Tricky proposition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I disagree. I think it's a problem of culture. Government jobs with union-y environments are not fun, for anyone. Good engineers quit because of dysfunction and poisonous workplace culture. The ones who stick around are either incompetent or just don't care about doing cool stuff and doing it well.

    No amount of money in the universe is going to change the culture of working closely with the government.

  8. Um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Um, yes... fully agree here. It always seems to me like the _worst_ technology comes from " giant, entrenched government contractors", which is what you would expect from companies operating with a state-granted monopoly.

  9. Government s a crappy investor by mbeckman · · Score: 1

    The U.S. government's track record for choosing technologies to invest in is horrible. Probably because, unlike capitalist investors, the government can't resist sullying markets with subsides and manipulative politics. Just look at the US solar efforts. Or the German government's solar disaster if you want to see an extreme fail.

    1. Re:Government s a crappy investor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > the government can't resist sullying markets with subsides and manipulative politics. Just look at the US solar efforts.

      Mmmhmmm. Darn those Chinese and their free market solar gumption. Oh, wait.

    2. Re:Government s a crappy investor by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Just look at the US solar efforts

      Good point, develop the technology, refine it, then throw it all away because it challenges established industries, leaving China to pick it up as if gift wrapped for them and make money out of it.

      Or the German government's solar disaster if you want to see an extreme fail

      I haven't heard of that one, how about you show us where to look to see such a disaster?

    3. Re:Government s a crappy investor by mbeckman · · Score: 1

      I am happy to use Google for you.

      Here's the Forbes article Germanys Green Energy Disaster a Cautionary Tale for World Leaders.

      That was 2013. Here it is even worse a year later in the NY times article German Energy Push Runs Into Problems, reporting major troubles such as:

      . Electricity prices in Germany are already among the highest in the world.

      . The price of industrial electricity has risen about 37 percent since 2005.

      . International energy experts say the country cannot meet its future needs solely through renewable sources as planned

      . The unexpected drop in global energy prices through the emergence of abundant, low-cost natural gas in the United States, further degrades Germany's green energy economic plan

    4. Re:Government s a crappy investor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your comment means that you know absolutely nothing about that portion of Solar. Chinese companies are heavily subsidized by the Government and offer prices that a Free market can not bear. The Chinese Government started the subsidies for the express purpose of monopolizing the market.

    5. Re:Government s a crappy investor by dbIII · · Score: 2

      I'm paying more than that despite it being generated from cheap and high quality coal in efficient boilers, large turbines and well maintained generators. The middleman in a monopoly market is taking a huge cut - that's not just a local situation, it's come out of California where Enron played those games and went global. There's so little substance in that Forbes article that there is no way to tell if it's a problem of high generation costs or rent seeking vampire tactics by monopolists sucking everyone dry as is happening in many other markets.
      Also your "disaster" appears not to have actually happened, while it is described as that in the headline the body of the text is only talking about potential problems in the future. So have things slipped your mind a bit here or are you being deliberately misleading to push an agenda? I'll assume the former instead of branding you the sort of childish scum sucking luddite political opportunist that thinks little of lying and is really making it annoying to discuss anything technical that may have social implications on this site. Such pricks annoy me far more than it is polite to write and seem to delight in leading the younger generation away into their land of lies and corruption.

    6. Re: Government s a crappy investor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you can't afford the electricity to run your precious electronic toys you'll see. "Renewable energy" and "sustainable development" are newspeak for the inevitable technological de-evolution that will take place over the next decades, along with a radical de-population. The future is a life of comfort for the .01% and a shortened existence for the rest of us. The lucky ones will eke out a meager living by maintaining and servicing the automated farms of the future. The rest will be exterminated and recycled into fertilizer.

    7. Re: Government s a crappy investor by dbIII · · Score: 1

      There's an article elsewhere on Slashdot about hopelessly depressing dystopias that deserves your post more than this one.

    8. Re: Government s a crappy investor by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      My 'precious electronic toys' use about a tenth of the power that the ones I was using a decade ago for the same purpose did. Even lighting power consumption has dropped. My fridge, freezer and washing machine are the big electricity consumers in my home - efficiency has improved there, but nowhere near as fast as for gadgets.

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    9. Re:Government s a crappy investor by mbeckman · · Score: 1

      Germany's green energy fantasy is a disaster because NONE of the promised benefits of forced green energy have come to pass, nor do they look likely to occur. The dependence on foreign energy is higher than ever, energy prices are higher than ever (and crippling citizens and businesses alike), and promised green energy yields are much lower than forecast. You have to read the NY Times article (which strains to put a good face on the disaster) to see the downward trend.

    10. Re: Government s a crappy investor by mbeckman · · Score: 1

      My 'precious electronic toys' use about a tenth of the power that the ones I was using a decade ago for the same purpose did. Even lighting power consumption has dropped. My fridge, freezer and washing machine are the big electricity consumers in my home - efficiency has improved there, but nowhere near as fast as for gadgets.

      And I'll wager that your energy costs have skyrocketed. Am I right?

    11. Re: Government s a crappy investor by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      Not really. They've increased a bit above inflation, but the amount I'm spending on electricity has remained pretty constant, increasingly slightly below inflation (increases in device efficiency offsetting increase in costs). The amount I'm paying for gas has gone up a bit more.

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    12. Re: Government s a crappy investor by mbeckman · · Score: 2

      In California price increases average 5-7% per year not counting inflation. That's compounded, of course, so that in just ten years we are paying 80% more for electricity than we did in 2004, again discounting inflation. And the trend is accelerating as a result of carbon caps and increase regulation.

  10. The gov, any gov, should be all ears by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

    as long as it's destructive. They'll do the extortion for you, you'll toast
    with the 'cream of the crop', you'll be IT!

  11. Why the government? by davydagger · · Score: 1

    Why the government? I think what he really meant to say is we could use that $23 million to fund public works projects. I could imagine what $23 million could do for some struggling Free software projects that might really help people, such as some of the bio-punks bio-hacker scene, help them turn into non-profit proffesional units doing good in medicine, and bio-engineering, taking tech from the hands of corporate and putting it back in the hands of the people, saving lives by making lifesaving devices and medicine affordable.

    1. Re:Why the government? by tomhath · · Score: 1
      FTFA:

      investors had been scared away by the idea that working with government might be a tortuous slog, but Bouganim says that he saw that behind that red tape lay a market that could be worth in the neighborhood of $500 billion a year...he's motivated in part by the desire to help make sure that that governments in his adopted country are using the best, most appropriate technologies they can as they go about serving their citizens. "And what better way to have an impact," he says, "than capitalism?"

      In other words, he wants to invest in companies that sell technology to the government. Seems reasonable, but certainly not revolutionary.

  12. Government: by extension, us? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Since when did corporations developing technologies mean the rest of us cannot benefit?

    And for that matter, since when were we an extension of the government?

    I don't think you've seen daylight in a long, long time.....

    1. Re:Government: by extension, us? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, the poster is just a progressive.

      Repeat after me: Government is the source of all good,corporations are evil.

  13. unfortunately? by roman_mir · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So 'unfortunately' if you are going to build a product that people may need and enjoy you are going to start a business, that may create new products and create investment opportunities and jobs in the process, you are going to 'siphon'? 'Siphon' talent away from government ('and everybody else')?????

    This 'story' is one gigantic flamebait.

    There is nothing unfortunate about building your own company to pursue your own goals and you are not siphoning anything from anybody by building your own business. Under all circumstances, it is better if government doesn't get any talent whatsoever, why should talent be wasted in government rather than be applied where it is actually needed: in the private sector, doing something useful?

    This entire premise is insane and asinine.

  14. giant, entrenched government contractors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    #1. they know how to play the game, because they lobbied to set the rules to favor themselves.
    #2. as with #1, they have the ear of the decision makers. look at the obamacare website, did the contractor that delivered a website with "lorem ipsum" pages and obvious security holes get in trouble? or were they punished with an even larger contract to fix the problems?

  15. The NSA shows us by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    what happens when you give a government agency all sorts of money and tells them to be creative.

    No thanks, I'll stay in the private sector.

  16. tinfoil hats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You tinfoil hat types keep saying that. However, it's clear that the real problem is that the federal acquisition regulations are just too damn complex due to kneejerk reactions of politicians carelessly adding regulations. And trust me, the mega-defense contractors are too inept to screw the government on purpose. Gutless bureaucrats do that from the inside to "reduce risk" ... risk to their careers.

    1. Re:tinfoil hats by ChrisAshcroft · · Score: 2

      Regulations are a first step that paid lobbyists can work at ensuring a business has an advantage to lock-out the competition so enormous profits are easily possible. It is not real corruption, since the laws are made and followed, it is just very morally wrong and should be illegal and punishable as a form of corruption.

  17. funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hahahahahahahahahahahahhahah

    Yea, lets work for the government that dose nothing right, where it will take 10 times as much funding to produce the same result in the private sector. I would say "if the government can make money and pay down the debt" but that is as likely as buying a house on the moon. The government was not created to make tech. and it should not try.

  18. You were bluffing by dbIII · · Score: 1

    I called your bluff and read it but somehow it doesn't say what you pretend it does. What's with this pathetic political bullshit on a tech site? Back off and look at the big picture instead of just attacking what the Party line says a good "comrade" should attack.

    1. Re:You were bluffing by mbeckman · · Score: 1

      The politics of tech are legitimate topics for discussion on slashdot. Green energy is all about technology, and in the case of Germany's forced green energy policy, the politics got ahead of the technology. That's clear from both articles. If you think not, then cite specific examples of your claims. Don't just have your hands about.

    2. Re:You were bluffing by dbIII · · Score: 1
      True, but I see soviet style partisan propaganda the runs contrary to reality and indeed truth as being illegitimate unless it's being paid for as an advertisement.

      If you think not, then cite specific examples of your claims.

      Yet another example of a hardworking Comrade of The Party attacking it's opponents I see - YOU are the one that was making wild claims while I haven't written much other than calling you out on it.

      WTF is it with you losers "charging at windmills". Solar is more mainstream than the politics you are pushing - and you know why - people are making money out of it without ripping others off. Please stop pushing your outdated authoritarian anti-capitalistic bullshit and your horror that people are free to buy panels and put them on their roofs.