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James Bamford Releases DOJ Report On NSA Warrantless Wiretapping From 1976

maynard writes: Investigative Journalist James Bamford knows a thing or two more than most about the National Security Agency. Across his more than three-decade long career digging muck out of exactly those places U.S. government intelligence agencies preferred he wouldn't tread, he's published five books and over eighty press reports. At times, this made for some tense confrontations with intelligence officials from an organization once so secret even few members of Congress knew of its existence.

For the last several years public focus on the NSA has been on Bush and Obama era reports of illicit domestic spying. From allegations of warrantless wiretapping reported by James Risen in 2005 to secret documents released to journalists at The Guardian by Edward Snowden a year ago. And smack in the middle, Bamford's 2012 revelation of the existence of a huge, exabyte-capable data storage facility then under construction in Bluffdale, Utah.

Given all this attention on recent events, it might come as a surprise to some that almost forty years ago Senator Frank Church convened a congressional committee to investigate reports of unlawful activities by U.S. intelligence agencies, including illegal domestic wiretapping by the NSA. At the time, Church brought an oversight magnifying glass over what was then half-jokingly referred to as "No Such Agency." And then, like today, James Bamford was in the thick of it, with a Snowden-like cloak-and-dagger game of spy-vs-journalist. It all began by giving testimony before the Church Committee. Writing yesterday in The Intercept, Bamford tells his firsthand historical account of what led him to testify as a direct witness to NSA's wiretapping of domestic communications decades ago and then details the events that led to the publication of his first book The Puzzle Palace back in 1982.
Read on for more. Bamford writes:

...during the summer of 1975, as reports began leaking out from the Church Committee, I was surprised to learn that the NSA was claiming that it had shut down all of its questionable operations a year and a half earlier. Surprised because I knew the eavesdropping on Americans had continued at least into the prior fall, and may have still been going on. After thinking for a day or so about the potential consequences of blowing the whistle on the NSA—I was still in the Naval Reserve, still attending drills one weekend a month, and still sworn to secrecy with an active NSA clearance—I nevertheless decided to call the Church Committee.

But he didn't stop at the witness stand. Afterward, he continued researching the matter for a book. And the further he dug, the more waves he made. Until someone slipped him a then recently declassified copy of a 1976 Justice Department memo [PDF] detailing a criminal investigation into illicit domestic spying by the NSA. But when agency officials discovered he had that document they took extraordinary measures attempting to get it back. They threatened to prosecute under the 1917 Espionage Act and retroactively reclassified the memo to squelch its contents.

Fearing someone might break into his home and steal the manuscript, Bamford arranged to transport and secure a copy outside of U.S. jurisdiction with a colleague at the Sunday Times of London. It was only upon the 1982 publication of Puzzle Palace that the agency dropped their pursuit of Bamford and his document as a lost cause. That's at least one stark difference between then and today when it comes to whistleblowers — back then, they merely threatened espionage charges.

Yogi Berra famously once said, "It's like Deja Vu all over again." And though the Yankees' star wasn't speaking of illicit domestic wiretaps by the national security state, given a comparison of recent revelations to those detailed by Bamford decades earlier the quote certainly fits. In telling his story of how he published details about the last NSA Merry-Go-Round with warrantless wiretapping, Bamford shows us that our recent troubles of lawless surveillance aren't so unique. It's deja-vu all over again. But if deja vu is like a waking dream, this seems more a recurring nightmare for a body-politic lured to snoring slumber by a siren-song of political passivity.

That old Justice Department memo isn't likely to wake the public from their slumber. But within its pages is a stark warning we all should have heeded. As Bamford notes in that Intercept story, the report's conclusion that NSA lawlessness stems straight from the birth of the agency suggests a constitutional conflict systemic and intentional.

...the NSA's top-secret "charter" issued by the Executive Branch, exempts the agency from legal restraints placed on the rest of the government. "Orders, directives, policies, or recommendations of any authority of the Executive branch relating to the collection ... of intelligence," the charter reads, "shall not be applicable to Communications Intelligence activities, unless specifically so stated." This so-called "birth certificate," the Justice Department report concluded, meant the NSA did not have to follow any restrictions placed on electronic surveillance "unless it was expressly directed to do so." In short, the report asked, how can you prosecute an agency that is above the law?

Here's the "Prosecutive Summary" (PDF).

54 comments

  1. Last straw by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    That does it! I'm not voting for Gerald Ford again!

    1. Re:Last straw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He died eight years ago.

    2. Re:Last straw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whooshhhhh....

    3. Re:Last straw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Idiot. No one ever voted for him. He siezed power in a coup where he created a fake crime against the Democrats in order to force the former ruler of the USA to quit in shame. We didn't vote for him. Why lie and accuse us of that crime? He rose to power like a conqueror rather than as a politician. That is the way of the hard-core Republicans. They do that because they hate us.

    4. Re:Last straw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      you are talking about obama right?

    5. Re:Last straw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dang. I even have mod points today and there is still no "-1 you didn't get the joke" category. You would win the Heisman trophy of not-joke-getting.

    6. Re:Last straw by davester666 · · Score: 1

      It's not "deja vu", because that implies that at some point, NSA's illegal surveillance of us stopped at some point in time.

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    7. Re:Last straw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They do that because they hate us.

      Being that you are such a douche, I can't say I blame them.

    8. Re:Last straw by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      It's not "deja vu", because that implies that at some point, NSA's illegal surveillance of us stopped at some point in time.

      Originally we only tapped all your phone calls and telegrams.

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    9. Re:Last straw by Immerman · · Score: 1

      No, no, no. You're phrasing it wrong. It's:

      "We have stopped (only) tapping your phone calls and telegrams"

      See how much more positive that sounds?

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  2. England by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Informative

    Footage released of Guardian editors destroying Snowden hard drives

    In two tense meetings last June and July [2013] the cabinet secretary, Jeremy Heywood, explicitly warned the Guardian's editor, Alan Rusbridger, to return the Snowden documents.

    Heywood, sent personally by David Cameron, told the editor to stop publishing articles based on leaked material from American's National Security Agency and GCHQ. At one point Heywood said: "We can do this nicely or we can go to law". He added: "A lot of people in government think you should be closed down."

    I would no longer consider England a safe country to use as a backup for documents that the American government wants back.

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    1. Re:England by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      Is there any place where storing documents would be considered safe at least from spying eyes?

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    2. Re: England by jd · · Score: 1

      The moon.

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    3. Re:England by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Place? No most likely not anymore, Format? Of course, gzip everything then encrypt it and gzip the resulting encrypted file.

      Why compression? You obfuscate the real data being held
      Why encryption? Obvious reasons you protect the data
      Why compression again? You obfuscate the data before compression making the compressed data even less likely to be susceptible to reverse engineering.

    4. Re:England by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      http://www.gzip.org/zlib/rfc-gzip.html#header-trailer

      Yup, so hard to figure out that you're dealing with data in the gzip format. /s

    5. Re:England by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

      In fact, England is the worst. It (i.e. those that succeeded in the most recent power grab) -- it tries to be the best boy in the US' class Hegemony 6.0, in the process of the attempt surpassing any other anglo-saxon nation in crude disregard for constitutional and international law, and shamelessly whistling the tune of mega-millionaires.
      On a slightly related note: is there still a bounty for Tony Blair's neck?

    6. Re:England by number6x · · Score: 1

      Is there any place where storing documents would be considered safe at least from spying eyes?

      Don't store them anywhere.

      Just publish them. Never wait. Never hold them back.

      There is no longer any benefit or protection afforded by not publishing. If you are accused of having anything, you are already guilty in the eyes of the security police.

      Just publish and hope someone, somewhere cares about it.

  3. Similarities between now and then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In both cases the government moved from the concern of external threats to a belief that the threats were internal.

    It's a symptom of disunity and of a paranoid government.

    1. Re:Similarities between now and then by kilfarsnar · · Score: 2

      In both cases the government moved from the concern of external threats to a belief that the threats were internal.

      It's a symptom of disunity and of a paranoid government.

      When you're helping to maintain a corrupt status quo, your enemies are internal.

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      "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
  4. So this is Ford's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course we all knew it was the Republicans that shoved this garbage down our throat, but it's nice to have proof. It's too bad that Nixon lackey created the program in such a way that Carter wasn't allowed to stop it when he was President and now the DINO that rules isn't allowed to make any changes either. There is no saving us from the way the Republicans have destroyed this country and now control nearly every bit of our day to day lives.

    1. Re:So this is Ford's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reagan was a Democrat? He was the one who issued 12333 that started the merry-go-round again. Obummer is obviously doing nothing to stop anything and had obviously gone above and beyond to make things worse, but trying to lump all blame on him is just stupid politicking.

    2. Re:So this is Ford's fault by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      its always funny to see these posts from AC, no one has the balls to make such idiotic claims with their real names

      If you think this is R vs D and not The people vs The government, i got a bridge to sell you.

      Even if nixon started it, you have had how many democratic presidents since him? I mean, if the democrats REALLY wanted to end it, they could have. be it carter, or clinton, or now obama. But no. they dont only not stop it but they expand it.

      When will people wake up and realize that voting for an R is the same as voting for a D, maybe not in the short term, but the long term as shown this to be the case

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    3. Re:So this is Ford's fault by kilfarsnar · · Score: 2

      its always funny to see these posts from AC, no one has the balls to make such idiotic claims with their real names If you think this is R vs D and not The people vs The government, i got a bridge to sell you. Even if nixon started it, you have had how many democratic presidents since him? I mean, if the democrats REALLY wanted to end it, they could have. be it carter, or clinton, or now obama. But no. they dont only not stop it but they expand it. When will people wake up and realize that voting for an R is the same as voting for a D, maybe not in the short term, but the long term as shown this to be the case

      Well said. These days it's also about inside vs. outside; those with access to government and those without it. Or maybe ultra-wealthy vs. everyone else.

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    4. Re:So this is Ford's fault by sjames · · Score: 1

      That is the basis of my political disillusionment. The target is right there. Obama can wipe it out with the stroke of a pen. It's his chance to strike back at the Tea party's whining that we can't afford to provide healthcare. He could just wipe out the domestic spying and it's costs. He could stop the foreign wars that cost trillions. With a stroke of his pen.

      But he hasn't. He hasn't even threatened to.

      I can only conclude that illegal domestic spying and spending all our money on killing people has bipartisan support.

    5. Re:So this is Ford's fault by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      exactly. We know obama has no problem talking about how he has a pen and a phone, and he will act if congress wont... yet when we actually WANT him to do something he doesnt

      It just goes to show a vote for an R or a vote for a D is a vote fore more of the same

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    6. Re:So this is Ford's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wha? What's this about Ford? FYI, but the charter that brought the NSA into existence was signed by President Harry Truman in 1952. And Truman was a Democrat.

    7. Re:So this is Ford's fault by CaptnZilog · · Score: 1

      its always funny to see these posts from AC, no one has the balls to make such idiotic claims with their real names

        If you think this is R vs D and not The people vs The government, i got a bridge to sell you.

        Even if nixon started it, you have had how many democratic presidents since him? I mean, if the democrats REALLY wanted to end it, they could have. be it carter, or clinton, or now obama. But no. they dont only not stop it but they expand it.

        When will people wake up and realize that voting for an R is the same as voting for a D, maybe not in the short term, but the long term as shown this to be the case

      Well said. These days it's also about inside vs. outside; those with access to government and those without it. Or maybe ultra-wealthy vs. everyone else.

      Your owners don't want it to change, the need more surveillance lest the slaves get restless and think of uprising.

      The American Dream

  5. the more things change the more they stay the sam by ganjadude · · Score: 2
    What gets me in all of this (I RTFA earlier) are a few sections

    But during the summer of 1975, as reports began leaking out from the Church Committee, I was surprised to learn that the NSA was claiming that it had shut down all of its questionable operations a year and a half earlier. Surprised because I knew the eavesdropping on Americans had continued at least into the prior fall, and may have still been going on. After thinking for a day or so about the potential consequences of blowing the whistle on the NSA—I was still in the Naval Reserve, still attending drills one weekend a month, and still sworn to secrecy with an active NSA clearance—I nevertheless decided to call the Church Committee.

    So over 30 years ago, the NSA was doing the same thing its doing now. When it gets caught it says it stops doing it, yet it continues to do it (yet we didnt shut them down 30 years ago??!?!)

    and this one is a doozy. At the same time the feds are complaining about google and apple using system wide encryption as in their eyes it "puts people above the law" yet at the SAME time the NSA charter puts the NSA above the law

    The report’s prosecutive summary also pointed to the NSA’s top-secret “charter” issued by the Executive Branch, which exempts the agency from legal restraints placed on the rest of the government. “Orders, directives, policies, or recommendations of any authority of the Executive branch relating to the collection . . . of intelligence,” the charter reads, “shall not be applicable to Communications Intelligence activities, unless specifically so stated.” This so-called “birth certificate,” the Justice Department report concluded, meant the NSA did not have to follow any restrictions placed on electronic surveillance “unless it was expressly directed to do so.” In short, the report asked, how can you prosecute an agency that is above the law?

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  6. Partisan Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you think this is either a Democrat of Republican thing, but not both, then you are part of the problem.

    [AC to keep my mods]

    1. Re:Partisan Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but it's easier to fist bump the superiority of "your team" if you lump it all on the "others". Reagan, Dubya and Obummer along with their lying, sack-of-shit, bipartisan cohorts in Congress are all to blame.

  7. Secret Agencies by Coreigh · · Score: 2

    It occurs to me (aas it should have LONG ago) that when something secret becomes more and more "known" that it is being used as a distraction to help hide the newer "really secret" secret.

    What I am saying is that the NSA is a decoy. Who and what is the new intelligence organization?

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    1. Re:Secret Agencies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Collection_Service

  8. A damn good story by IndieRafael · · Score: 2

    I read the entire article -- a damn good story if you have time. Aside from the obvious political implications explicitly stated by Bamford, it's interesting to see what a risk he took to write and publish his first book: "The Puzzle Palace", despite intimidation from the government.

    For those who think the two major political parties have been the same on the NSA, it's also interesting to note that the Carter Administration's DOJ declassified the key memo whereas the Reagan Administration's DOJ reclassified the memo and tried to put the toothpaste back in the tube. Note that the Democratic Obama Administration to the right of the Reagan Administration on this issue. Another reason I'm an independent.

    Finally, there are the detective aspects: Bamford found that one of the NSA's early leaders soured on the agency and deliberately left his papers to the Virginia Military Institute (VMI), where Bamford recognized them as a gold mine. Bamford also used to just go sit in the entrance area at the NSA and listen to people chatting about work around him while they waited to be processed in!

    1. Re:A damn good story by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      yeah the read was really eye opening as a lot of this happened before I was born. I made a post above talking about the parts that really stood out to me, especially the part where the org was built above the law from day 1. I will have to get his books now, Im interested to see the changes from his first book in the 80s to the one from 08

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  9. Nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is nothing new. many of us have known about warrantless wiretapping going on since the 60's, but everybody just calls us nutz and hands us tin foil for our hats. It has never stopped and most likely never will till enough people wake and force change. Then stay awake and make sure it sticks. Those that choose to ignore the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.

    1. Re:Nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is nothing new. many of us have known about warrantless wiretapping going on since the 60's, but everybody just calls us nutz and hands us tin foil for our hats.

      So you're bragging about knowing public knowledge? Anyone who wasn't living in a cave would have seen the info about the Church Commission on the news in the 70s where they mentioned all of what had been happening with the intelligence agencies. It's not like you were privy to secret information.

      Anyone denying that that had happened in face of congressional testimony would obviously be an idiot. But methinks you're constructing a straw man. If these people exist that deny what the Church Commission revealed publicly then please provide citations.

    2. Re:Nothing new by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      This is nothing new. many of us have known about warrantless wiretapping going on since the 60's, but everybody just calls us nutz and hands us tin foil for our hats.

      So you're bragging about knowing public knowledge? Anyone who wasn't living in a cave would have seen the info about the Church Commission on the news in the 70s where they mentioned all of what had been happening with the intelligence agencies. It's not like you were privy to secret information.

      Anyone denying that that had happened in face of congressional testimony would obviously be an idiot. But methinks you're constructing a straw man. If these people exist that deny what the Church Commission revealed publicly then please provide citations.

      Part of the problem is that the agencies exposed by the Church Committee said they would stop their illegal practices, and people believed them. My own uncle, in his 70's, has told me the CIA is forbidden to operate inside the US, so they don't. I think such credulity comes from one not wanting to know how criminal their government is. In my experience a lot of people feel that way. Their lives are going okay, their worldview is stable, and they just don't want to know. People often prefer comfort to a greater understanding of the world they live in.

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  10. You never know the quality of such sources by jd · · Score: 1

    A book isn't right merely by being published. It is always wise to be prudent about what you believe.

    However, in this case, the Church Committee is known to have had strong views. It is also a matter of record that Echelon involved all of the Five Eyes members spying on electronic communications. Further, allegations at that time of other spying operations at that time (including telephonic and domestic wireless intercepts) are certainly mirrored by the Snowden Files.

    These matters, and some horribly rudimentary inside information on the British army signals post in Cyprus in the 50s tells me the basics are accurate enough, regardless of the accuracy of the high adventure.

    There have been past allegations about how Reagan won the election. If the claims are entirely legit, that might get revisited.

    The birth certificate claim is troublesome. It means the President has no authority over the NSA. At all.

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  11. Re: the more things change the more they stay the by kilfarsnar · · Score: 2

    The Church Committee also discovered that CIA had people stationed inside every major broadcasting network, in order to monitor and manipulate the information we get. They are supposed to have stopped that kind of activity. Yeah...

    I just assume that the intelligence agencies do what they please and try not to get caught. They will lie, deny and withhold to maintain their programs. And with all the classification, black ops and special access programs, it's nigh impossible to find out what they're doing. Such things have no place in a representative government; it is beyond control of the people or their representatives. We are told it is necessary in a dangerous world. But the people who tell us that are the same ones who lie to us on a regular basis.

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  12. we by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I love is that these guys who are the OG investigators and journalists, real ones, like Woodward, Bernstein, or Bamford, are just chilling now as things are 100000x worse.

  13. When you Google the NSA, the NSA Googles you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why couldn't DARPA or the NSA fund a Massive Search engine (without Ads) then {they} would have all their users information, and tacit approval to use it under Terms of Usage.

    As an "Ad free" means to Search and avoiding Spammy "Scare the Geezies out of you, Creepware Flasher videos"

    They would become the most Popular Search engine on the Planet.

    Then they wouldn't need a Court order, to Search their own Servers.. if they're Located in a Foreign Country.

  14. I heard similar stories about web traffic in 1998 by sdguero · · Score: 2

    I was just graduating high school, an intern in the IT department of a sizable company in CA, my first tech job. We had an issue with a Unix print server and the IT manager (awesome boss who loved the Grateful Dead and drove an old beetle) called in a friend to consult for a couple days. Being a bright eyed youth with lots of interest in how this grey haired consultant was able to command a $150/hr consulting fee, I asked a lot of questions. And he told me some awesome stories about the early internet. This guy was a battle hardened networking/internet engineer going back to the early 1970s (graduated from MIT in the early 60s), he helped connect the first copper trans-pacific data cables from San Fransisco to Asia. Probably the most interesting stories he told were about what the NSA was doing circa 1980s.

    He said the buildings that house the trans-oceanic data cables were designed from the ground up with small rooms, broom closet sized, that the primary data cables run through. Nobody other than federal agents with code word level clearance were allowed in via a heavy security door that had a guard 24/7. He said that all data traffic entering those rooms left them with a noticable amount of latency (at the time, late 80s he said it was about 10ms), but no hops. He claimed that the federal government had been monitoring internet activity in these data hubs since the dawn of the web.

    I still believe him to this day, and have not been surprised by Snowden's revelations or really any news I see about the government snooping on traffic. The internet started as a DARPA project. It would be stupid to assume that data traversing what is essentially a military network can't be monitored by government entities.

  15. New trend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny how NSA posts get the least comments now-a-days on Slashdot :)

  16. NSA & other government groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    are the biggest liars alive. if something can be hidden or covered up, they will do it. this isn't the land of "justice, and freedom" for all...

    The Snowden leaks were good, but myself, a DOD/CIA whistleblower Dr. Robert Duncan, and another NSA whistleblower Russell Tice, have repeatedly pointed out that the Snowden leaks were rubbish and hid many methods of spying. Tice himself worked with space capability and satellites in the black world doing warrantless surveillance on Americans, yet not a single document of Snowden's contains information on this. Tice claims it was because Snowden was a low leveler with only access to one particular NSA system, while several other systems were not provided. Makes sense. Tice says these other systems operate on computer networks of their own, and are classified under "Special Access Programs," "Exceptionally Controlled Information" programs, and "Very Restricted Knowledge" programs. Duncan himself worked on many of the systems and has seen his work classified, then later dumped to the public for use. But he backs Tice up, basically they have several technologies he worked on from space capability, like tracking breathe and heart rate, and license plates. To mind reading and mind altering technologies, fully deployed and in use today, fully patented. There's also building and ground penetrating radar technologies, that work FROM SPACE and are being used today, to actually spy on and scan people remotely like tracking air craft or other objects.

    Not a single leak from Snowden covered the NSAs ability to read emanations of electromagnetic frequencies from space or radar, but they're capable of that as well. Which enables tapping of what is being processed by a computer, what is on your screen, USB, Ethernet, telephone, and other cables, without a physical connection to the devices or network in question, again all done from space and long range. Turns out the brain emanations aren't any different, and once intercepted can be passed to neural decoders to extract passcodes, memories, thoughts, and other gogglygook.

    When will the public listen or figure it out? This has been going on since the 1970s. The first neural accessing devices were deployed themselves in 1976, according to Robert Duncan.

    http://www.obamasweapon.com/.

    1. Re:NSA & other government groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "For the last several years public focus on the NSA has been on Bush and Obama era reports of illicit domestic spying. From allegations of warrantless wiretapping reported by James Risen in 2005 to secret documents released to journalists at The Guardian by Edward Snowden a year ago. And smack in the middle, Bamford's 2012 revelation of the existence of a huge, exabyte-capable data storage facility then under construction in Bluffdale, Utah. "

      Wanted to point this out, but James Risen is NOT the source for the 2005 leaks. It was Russell Tice, NSA, DIA, Air Force, Navy whistleblower. He's actually the first NSA whistleblower to come forward. He's the same guy I mention OP.

      Learn who Russell Tice is (2004, NSA leaker).. I say 2004, because Tice came out, but the New York Times hid the story for about a year to wait for the elections to be over before finally running it. They basically PROTECTED the administration for an entire year, just to help ensure the re-election first (total corruption, isn't it?).

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ_Tice..

      I would wager that Russell Tice is more important of a source than Snowden, because he reported all this much sooner, and reported more. His chief complaint was that there was even more going on than just telephone and internet wiretapping, in the black world, in Special Access Programs, something he called "high tech" whereas what Snowden reported is the "low tech" side (see his MSNBC appearance in 2009). ;)

    2. Re:NSA & other government groups by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 2

      [...] from space capability, like tracking breathe and heart rate, and license plates [...] read emanations of electromagnetic frequencies from space or radar, but they're capable of that as well. Which enables tapping of what is being processed by a computer, what is on your screen, USB, Ethernet, telephone, and other cables, without a physical connection to the devices or network in question, again all done from space and long range. Turns out the brain emanations aren't any different, and once intercepted can be passed to neural decoders to extract passcodes, memories, thoughts, and other gogglygook.

      Aside from some well developed purely terrestrial distance TEMPEST capability for use against computers and networking devices, I call bullshit on the rest, including the license plates. Tice may have seen things that unnerved him, but (sadly) it is likely that he either embellished the state of the art or (more likely) was made an asset, fed bits and pieces of stories about this kooky dreamland tech in order to excite and incite him into dwelling on these incredible things, to divert his attention away from the more mundane yet heinous act of direct taps and splits.

      Folks like Thomas Drake, Bill Binney and Mark Klein hold more credibility.

      Even James Bamford has been an 'asset' of theirs over the years. Puzzle Palace [1982] introduced the NSA to a whole generation of young folk interested in intelligence careers, focusing on its broad global reach and exciting technical resources. And yet it also contained a clear and dire warning that a charter-be-damned domestic spy apparatus was being built -- I personally believe this revelation was leaked from NSA insiders (probably close to retirement) who did not like the agency's new direction. Body of Secrets [2001] was more sedate about this, but it also contained a gripping account of the 1967 USS Liberty incident that stirred controversy, but again like the warning, a story the NSA insiders wished to be told.

      Down the rabbit hole we go.

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    3. Re:NSA & other government groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but you're going up against Dr. Robert Duncan, BA, MS, MBA, PHD. And many other government whistleblowers.

      Including Dr. Judy Wood. Dr. Fred Bell. Thomas Bearden. Dr. Nick Begich, son of Senator Nick Begich, and other of book "Angels Don't Play This HAARP".

      Please review Dr. Robert Duncan's interviews, watch the video on HAARP and weather control, and read some of he attached documents of these two articles.

      http://www.oregonstatehospital.net/d/story.html#nsabrainlink
      (lots of videos here) http://www.oregonstatehospital.net/d/russelltice-nsarnmebl.html

      Dr. Robert Duncan's two interviews on Coast to Coast AM and Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory are there. As is his free eBook, The Matrix Deciphered.

      Come on. Call bullsh*t all you want, but you ain't got skill compared to these people. So who's more believeable, a cra*kpot or someone established like the experts?

      Russell Tice holds equal credibility to Bill Binney, and Thomas Drake and perhaps more so, because he released information far beyond what the others released. Tice has been on nearly equal amount of interviews or more. He was the source of the New York Times leaks, the first NSA whistleblower. He was first to get on Democracy Now!, MSNBC twice, RT at least twice, and PBS WITH Bill Binney by his side, plus many other shows like RealWorldNews, Cobert Report, Boiling Frogs Post w/ FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds, etc.

      Dude, I just don't think you know what you're talking about. I think you're also part of a crew who is ignoring that system exist, fully patented, fully disclosed by dozens of people, that you just can't comprehend. Your psychological limitations are holding you back because you just don't get any of it.

      Also my friend from USIS confirmed this is all real, and she's completely separate. They had documents that discussed this weapons/surveillance system there. USIS are the same folks who did the background check on Edward Snowden and Aaron Alexis for the DOD before hiring. http://www.oregonstatehospital.net/d/USIS.html

      My friend from USIS referred to the brain imaging stuff done remotely as "unwitting" and it amounts to communicating your thoughts and memories in secret to the DOD/those doing the spying.

      Also CBS ran an story some years ago, called: Reading Your Mind. Showing the consumer level med tech stuff, fully operational. And they mentioned developing a radar system for use in air ports that does it, too, from long range. As in, they point a laser like device at your head, it penetrates your skull and brain several inches, to confirm whether or not you're a terrorist after it is finished analyzing your thoughts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jc8URRxPIg..

      That if from 2009!

      Dr. Michio Kaku also wrote a book this year called the Future of the Mind, saying this technology isn't far off, it's here today. Dr. Kaku worked on the Strategic Defense Initiative, and other weapons / remote sensing programs for the DOD. He's a "theoretical physicist." He designed super nukes and other cool s*it.

      The public needs to upgrade and stop acting like this can't be happening or real. All you're doing is buying into NSA mass deception.

      Few more articles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_uploading Mind uploading, is the process of copying the contents and energy and matter states of the brain, and emulating or decoding it's contents to memories, video, audio, and other computer data, and also modifying or adding information to it using a computer. A radar / satellite system is plenty capable of doing this, being the most advanced remote sensing / remote imaging devices on the planet. In fact, ESR, MRI machines, all these are mini versions of radar,

    4. Re:NSA & other government groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6m1XbWOfVk

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-NKYR3MiXM

      Is the NSA Conducting Electronic Warfare On Americans?

      Jonas Holmes May 19, 2006 CHRONICLE ARTICLE

      Russ Tice, former NSA intelligence officer and current Whistleblower, was to testify before the Senate Armed Services Committee this week. Apparently the testimony, Mr. Tice wanted to give, makes General Hayden's phone surveillance program look like very small potatoes. Mr. Tice's testimony is expected to reveal further illegal activity overseen by General Michael Hayden which even loyal and patriotic NSA employees view as unlawful. I think the people I talk to next week are going to be shocked when I tell them what I have to tell them. IT'S PRETTY HARD TO BELIEVE, Tice said. I hope that they'll clean up the abuses and have some oversight into these programs, which doesn't exist right now. According to Mr. Tice, what has been disclosed so far is only the tip of the iceberg. What in the world could Russ Tice be talking about! To figure it out let us take a look at Russ Tice's work at the NSA.

      According to the Washington Times and numerous other sources, Mr. Tice worked on special access programs related to electronic intelligence gathering while working for the NSA and DIA, where he took part in space systems communications, non-communications signals, electronic warfare, satellite control, telemetry, sensors, and special capability systems. Special Access Programs or SAPs refer to Black Budgets or Black Operations. Black means that they are covert and hidden from everyone except the participants. Feasibly there would be no arena with a greater potential for abuse and misuse than Special Access Programs. Even now Congress and the Justice Department are being denied the ability to investigate these programs because they don't have clearance. To put it in CNN's Jack Cafferty's words a top secret government agency, the NSA, the largest of its kind in the world, is denying oversight or investigation by the American people because investigators lack clearance. To add a layer of irony to the Black Ops cake this travesty is occurring in America, the supposed bastion of Freedom and Democracy, which we are currently trying to export to Iraq.

      It just gets scarier. The Black Ops that Mr. Tice was involved in related to electronic intelligence gathering via space systems communications, non-communications signals, electronic warfare, satellite control, telemetry, sensors, and special capability systems. For greater insight as to the impact of these programs readers should review decades old FOIA authenticated programs such as MKULTRA, BLUEBIRD, COINTELPRO and ARTICHOKE. Radar based Telemetry involves the ability to see through walls without thermal imaging. Electronic Warfare is even scarier if we take a look at the science. NSA Signals Intelligence Use of EMF Brain Stimulation. NSA Signals Intelligence uses EMF Brain Stimulation for Remote Neural Monitoring (RNM) and Electronic Brain Link (EBL). EMF Brain Stimulation has been in development since the MKUltra program of the early 1950's, which included neurological research into "radiation" (non-ionizing EMF) and bioelectric research and development. The resulting secret technology is categorized at the National Security Archives as "Radiation Intelligence," defined as "information from unintentionally emanated electromagnetic waves in the environment, not including radioactivity or nuclear detonation." Signals Intelligence implemented and kept this technology secret in the same manner as other electronic warfare programs of the U.S. government. The NSA monitors available information about this technology and withholds scientific research from the public. There are also international intelligence agency agreements to keep this technology secret.

      The NSA has proprietary electronic equipment that analyzes

    5. Re:NSA & other government groups by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

      If you are a machine that turns itself off , please do so.

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  17. Re:I heard similar stories about web traffic in 19 by maynard · · Score: 1

    sdguero wrote:

    He said the buildings that house the trans-oceanic data cables were designed from the ground up with small rooms, broom closet sized, that the primary data cables run through. ... He said that all data traffic entering those rooms left them with a noticable amount of latency (at the time, late 80s he said it was about 10ms), but no hops. He claimed that the federal government had been monitoring internet activity in these data hubs since the dawn of the web.

    Mark Klein, former tech from AT&T, claimed to have witnessed installation of one such room at a San Francisco POP in 2002. He gave a formal statement to attorneys at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which was printed in this Wired Article. The money quote is below:

    While doing my job, I learned that fiber optic cables from the secret room were tapping into the Worldnet circuits by splitting off a portion of the light signal. I saw this in a design document available to me, entitled "Study Group 3, LGX/Splitter Wiring, San Francisco" dated Dec. 10, 2002. I also saw design documents dated Jan. 13, 2004 and Jan. 24, 2003, which instructed technicians on connecting some of the already in-service circuits to the "splitter" cabinet, which diverts some of the light signal to the secret room. The circuits listed were the Peering Links, which connect Worldnet with other networks and hence the whole country, as well as the rest of the world.

    One of the documents listed the equipment installed in the secret room, and this list included a Narus STA 6400, which is a "Semantic Traffic Analyzer". The Narus STA technology is known to be used particularly by government intelligence agencies because of its ability to sift through large amounts of data looking for preprogrammed targets. The company's advertising boasts that its technology "captures comprehensive customer usage data ... and transforms it into actionable information.... (It) provides complete visibility for all internet applications.

    EFF proceeded to file a lawsuit (Hepting v. AT&T) claiming infringement of privacy by the firm. Though no finding of fact was challenged, ultimately it was dismissed due to retroactive FISA legislation signed by Bush legalizing the process. On appeal, the Supreme Court refused to review the case.

    Though many argued that Klein was just one person with a grudge against his employer, and thus dismissed his testimony as overblown or vindictive, in 2013 Edward Snowden's revelations "proved what he'd said was true. That the government did work with network service providers - including AT&T - to install monitoring systems throughout the Internet backbone.

     

  18. bad link by maynard · · Score: 1

    in 2013 Edward Snowden's revelations proved what he'd said was true.

  19. Re: the more things change the more they stay the by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 2

    I really hated Men In Black---
    that movie stuck in my craw
    So arrogant and smug
    as they tampered with minds
    in parody of due process of law.

    There is a special brand of stupid
    that only affects those who are smart.
    By their own hands they have brought this great evil
    in which they knowingly play a part.

    NSA is to gather blackmail, is all---
    for when and why--- they haven't a clue.
    Just following orders for the almighty buck
    ---they fuck
    their own children, fuck me and fuck you.

    And so to St. Peter I must say
    They learned their lesson well---
    They continue to serve today's NSA
    so send them on to hell!

    Oath breakers! Get the hell out of there and blow the lid off this thing while there is still time!

    (But first... ya gotta get mad!)

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  20. ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but you're going up against Dr. Robert Duncan, BA, MS, MBA, PHD. And many other government whistleblowers.

    Including Dr. Judy Wood. Dr. Fred Bell. Thomas Bearden. Dr. Nick Begich, son of Senator Nick Begich, and other of book "Angels Don't Play This HAARP".

    Please review Dr. Robert Duncan's interviews, watch the video on HAARP and weather control, and read some of he attached documents of these two articles.

    http://www.oregonstatehospital.net/d/story.html#nsabrainlink
    http://www.oregonstatehospital.net/d/russelltice-nsarnmebl.html

    Dr. Robert Duncan's two interviews on Coast to Coast AM and Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory are there. As is his free eBook, The Matrix Deciphered.

    Come on. Call bullshit all you want, but you ain't got skill compared to these people. So who's more believeable, a crackpot or someone established like the experts?