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Journalists Route Around White House Press Office

Tailhook writes Pool reports written by White House correspondents are distributed to news organizations via the White House Press Office. Reporters have alleged that the Obama White House exploits its role as distributor to "demand changes in pool reports" and has used this power to "steer coverage in a more favorable direction." Now a group of 90 print journalists has begun privately distributing their work through Google Groups, independent of the Press Office. Their intent is to "create an independent pool-reporting system for print and online recipients."

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  1. If I were president... by gfxguy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If I were president, $#% like that wouldn't happen... I'd leave it all completely open - the thought of filtering news and coercing journalists is repulsive to me... But then that's one of the million reasons I'm not president and have never felt like there was a good candidate to vote for.

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    1. Re:If I were president... by peragrin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But you can't that is the point. You will never know half of the presidents daily actions and descisions. Who don't want to know a lot of the stuff he has to know.

      Think of it like living on Twitter where you get bits and pieces of information and have to decide whether or not to act on 140 character sound bites. Whether the country goes to war depends on at best incomplete information.

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    2. Re:If I were president... by wisnoskij · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So you would run on a platform of "change" and "transparency"?
      You are not fooling anyone Obama.

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    3. Re: If I were president... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd never vote for a basement dwelling neckbeard like you anyway.

      Your kind are idealists, thinking you can just be 100% open and all will be well. Well, hate to tell you so, but if you step out of your mothers basement you will learn the real world just isn't that way.

    4. Re:If I were president... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Memorandum for the Heads of Executive Departments and Agencies
      http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/TransparencyandOpenGovernment

      SUBJECT: Transparency and Open Government

      My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government.

      Government should be transparent. Transparency promotes accountability and provides information for citizens about what their Government is doing. Information maintained by the Federal Government is a national asset. My Administration will take appropriate action, consistent with law and policy, to disclose information rapidly in forms that the public can readily find and use. Executive departments and agencies should harness new technologies to put information about their operations and decisions online and readily available to the public. Executive departments and agencies should also solicit public feedback to identify information of greatest use to the public.

      Government should be participatory. Public engagement enhances the Government's effectiveness and improves the quality of its decisions. Knowledge is widely dispersed in society, and public officials benefit from having access to that dispersed knowledge. Executive departments and agencies should offer Americans increased opportunities to participate in policymaking and to provide their Government with the benefits of their collective expertise and information. Executive departments and agencies should also solicit public input on how we can increase and improve opportunities for public participation in Government.

      Government should be collaborative. Collaboration actively engages Americans in the work of their Government. Executive departments and agencies should use innovative tools, methods, and systems to cooperateamong themselves, across all levels of Government, and with nonprofit organizations, businesses, and individuals in the private sector. Executive departments and agencies should solicit public feedback to assess and improve their level of collaboration and to identify new opportunities for cooperation.

      I direct the Chief Technology Officer, in coordination with the Director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) and the Administrator of General Services, to coordinate the development by appropriate executive departments and agencies, within 120 days, of recommendations for an Open Government Directive, to be issued by the Director of OMB, that instructs executive departments and agencies to take specific actions implementing the principles set forth in this memorandum. The independent agencies should comply with the Open Government Directive.

      This memorandum is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by a party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

      This memorandum shall be published in the Federal Register.

      BARACK OBAMA

    5. Re:If I were president... by tomhath · · Score: 1

      I'd leave it all completely open

      That's why you'll never be President; it's all about marketing.

    6. Re: If I were president... by Le+Marteau · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm serious. You never know when you're going to have to deal with the fact that your IRS head is reaming the Tea Party a new one, or that you Attorney General just got done giving you a hummer and is asking what other parts of the Constitution you want him to piss on today. You can't just be 100% open about these things. You neck bearded basement dwellers have NO IDEA how the real world works.

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    7. Re:If I were president... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

      If I were president, $#% like that wouldn't happen...

      If I were president, I'd have a Playstation 4 in the Oval Office. And blow jobs. And I'd stay up all night watching reruns of '70s cop shows and would eat nothing but pie.

      Actually, that's kind of my life now, except for the blow jobs.

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    8. Re:If I were president... by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      The problem is..the news agencies have been so complacent in all this all along too.

      If we had a more independent, and aggressive, investigative news agencies out there, Obama and other politicians (both parties) would not get away with half the shit they do.

      I think the news agencies should, in general, always view the administration at the time as somewhat adversarial, and should always be on the look for errors, law breaking and any hint of wrong doing. That should be their jobs, to constantly being on the heels of those in power, and keep them on their toes.

      When you lose true news investigation and reporting, you lose democracy....the free press is needed to keep the administration honest, and just parroting news feeds from whatever administration is in office does the country absolutely NO service, and can in fact, allow very bad things to happen to the country as a whole as well as to erode and harm citizens on a more personal level.

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    9. Re:If I were president... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless "Playstation 4 in the Oval Office" is some king of gay code I seriously doubt it.

    10. Re:If I were president... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I meant "kind of" but I prefer how it looks now. King of gay code. Open Source. lol.

    11. Re: If I were president... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Based on your comment, when Obama campaigned on "open and transparent" government, was he outright lying to the public or just being idealistically naÃve about how "the real world just isn't that way"?

    12. Re:If I were president... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem is..the news agencies have been so complacent in all this all along too.

      The problem is the corporate media who has their own agenda to push.

      If we had a more independent, and aggressive, investigative news agencies out there, Obama and other politicians (both parties) would not get away with half the shit they do.

      You forgot informed, though that might come with aggressive and investigative, but I feel it's important to point out. Right now, it's like having an attorney who doesn't even call for an objection when the prosecutor engages in some outright illegal activity.

      I think the news agencies should, in general, always view the administration at the time as somewhat adversarial, and should always be on the look for errors, law breaking and any hint of wrong doing. That should be their jobs, to constantly being on the heels of those in power, and keep them on their toes.

      And then they run into the nitpicking problem. That can be a bit tough too. You have to have serious grievances, not continuous petty chatter from talking heads that means nothing.

      Coffee-gate for example. Or Salute-gate. That was a bit of nonsense to shake your head over.

      When you lose true news investigation and reporting, you lose democracy....the free press is needed to keep the administration honest, and just parroting news feeds from whatever administration is in office does the country absolutely NO service, and can in fact, allow very bad things to happen to the country as a whole as well as to erode and harm citizens on a more personal level.

      You're right about the free press part, but as I remarked about above, the problem isn't just from the administration.

    13. Re:If I were president... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      And blow jobs.

      It's been done. :-P

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    14. Re:If I were president... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless "Playstation 4 in the Oval Office" is some king of gay code I seriously doubt it.

      No, gay code would be: "Play 4 Station in the anal orifice"

    15. Re:If I were president... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I were president, $#% like that wouldn't happen...

      If I were president, I'd have a Playstation 4 in the Oval Office. And blow jobs. And I'd stay up all night watching reruns of '70s cop shows and would eat nothing but pie.

      Actually, that's kind of my life now, except for the blow jobs.

      s/Playstation 4/golf clubs/g

      Who says you aren't President, errr, King Putt?

    16. Re: If I were president... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You neck bearded basement dwellers have NO IDEA how the real world works.

      There is a *very* simple way to take care of that. Go full Donald Trump on them. Your fired and not allowed back.

      When your people do bad things that make you look bad you get rid of them.

      An old boss of mine put it perfectly. If you come to me *we* have a problem. If I find out otherwise *you* have a problem.

      Your fired for breaking the law gets you no benefits.

      For example Nixon could have handled his situation much better by just firing people and coming clean. I think his reaction was "what asshole authorized this" and then circle the wagons. Sound familiar? It should, the current admin is doing the same thing.

      It would send a clear message to people "I do not put up with this I expect you to do the right thing".

      They are too busy blowing each other to notice there is an easy solution to their problems. They hire people because of their connections not because they will do the right thing. They are so desperate to hold onto that hellish job they will do and say anything.

    17. Re:If I were president... by nucrash · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sadly our current news media is ratings driven drivel. When your news outfits become purely profit driven, your quality doesn't have to be appealing, only your entertainment value. That is probably the largest marker of the decline of the United States. Often we hear about how the bread and circuses had to be maintained to keep the populace of Rome happy. As it turns out, our news media reflects a circus, and we have McDonald's and other fast food venues for our bread. While I support the legalization of marijuana, I feel that cheap thrills obtained by weed will most likely perpetuate this culture of bread and circuses.

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    18. Re:If I were president... by torkus · · Score: 0

      Doesn't everyone realize Obama
      - bought the media or
      - they bought him or
      - a 3rd party bought them both?

      That's about the only transparent thing to come out of the joke of his presidency as far as I can tell. I saw it on day 1 when suddenly the front cover of the paper wasn't counting the soldiers who died in iraq 3+ days a week. Sure, there's been negative coverage - they can't just *skip* something like Snowden. But instead of harping on things they're quick to jump to some other (pointless) 'for the children' type crap. OMG 42 people died last year from masturbating with broken glass we need to start a charity, care center, public education, and help the children know that it's unsafe. New at 11.

      The fact that the reporters are finally 'doing something' right around the end of his term is comical and just continues to prove the point.

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    19. Re: If I were president... by kilfarsnar · · Score: 2

      Your kind are idealists, thinking you can just be 100% open and all will be well. Well, hate to tell you so, but if you step out of your mothers basement you will learn the real world just isn't that way.

      It's not that all will be well if you are transparent. It's that you have a commitment to the truth and are honest in your dealings. The old saying that it's not the crime, it's the coverup remains true. And even if it's not a coverup, but just trying to spin the news, that type of behavior causes people to distrust you.

      I don't trust much of what I hear in the news, because I know this dynamic is in place. When I hear that ISIL is rolling across Syria and Iraq, and that they are a threat to the US, I think, "Yeah, sure. What aren't you telling me?" The reasons we are given are never the true or complete reasons. In a democracy, that's a problem, and an old one.

      The population in the US is presented with an artificially simple view of what their government is doing and what is going on around the world. Things in both arenas are often complicated. It's much easier to just present a picture of good guys fighting bad guys that keeps things straightforward, than to deal with the nuance and deeper details. It's easier for the news media and for the administration. But it's not accurate, and ends up giving people a skewed view of the world. It's convenient for the establishment and destructive to democracy. You can't make good decisions with bad information. And it enables the powers that be to mislead the public in the direction they want them to go.

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    20. Re: If I were president... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Based on your comment, when Obama campaigned on "open and transparent" government, was he outright lying to the public or just being idealistically naive about how "the real world just isn't that way"?

      Given the level he had risen to by that time I would have to say it is certainly the former, not the latter.

      Given our current corrupted system, while I believe some politicians are outright crooks (like Michael Grimm), I also believe many politicians may want to do the right thing given the choice but they rarely feel they actually have a choice because the "right" decision is obvious due to the powers they are beholden to, which are not their general electorate, at least at the president/congress/assembly levels. You can still find some truly honest politicians at the local levels like mayor or school board.

    21. Re:If I were president... by rahvin112 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's funny to watch the hypocrisy in this thread though. Bush did the same thing. In fact he took it a step farther. If you didn't tow Bush's line in the White House as a reporter they would ask for the reporter to be replaced in the pool and if the employer refused they would stop taking questions from the reporter, permanently. I can vividly remember people defending this behavior, many are the same ones that are slamming Obama for it.

      It's quite funny. Especially the ones that claim it's the worst thing the presidents office has ever seen.

    22. Re:If I were president... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bush did it first! Bush did it first! Bush did it first!....seriously how fucking long can you parrot this shit?

    23. Re: If I were president... by Immerman · · Score: 2

      Well, in fairness we've had a few presidents that tried to clean things up and expose some of the dirtier "powers behind the the throne" that would be trotted into the limelight with total transparency. I'm sure it's just coincidence that they were assassinated...

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    24. Re:If I were president... by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'm not saying Bush didn't do it...I'm saying it has been getting progressively WORSE for all administrations starting at least with the last 3 of them...a real decline in independent and investigative journalism.

      I think they should stop allowing the President or other officials from "choosing" whom to get questions from in the pool...make it a random drawing who gets question 1, 2, 3....

      But has gotten progressively worse...and that means the current admin is about bottom of the barrel with respect to this...until the next admin....

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    25. Re:If I were president... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are saying the treatment of Bush by the media in any way, shape, or form can be compared to the kid gloves the media has always used on Barry?
      Fuck man, nice memory. These same media ELECTED this newbie. They are only mildly changing their attitude as they know that the next Democrat to run cannot be connected to this idiot.

    26. Re: If I were president... by TheGavster · · Score: 1

      Could you enlighten the idealists among us as to the "real world" circumstances which necessitate an administration modifying press reports? While there certainly are times when temporary secrecy is needed, the current practice of no disclosure, no explanation, never, steps over the line.

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    27. Re:If I were president... by Dragonslicer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bush did it first! Bush did it first! Bush did it first!....seriously how fucking long can you parrot this shit?

      For as long as people think that it will all be fixed by a Republican president.

    28. Re:If I were president... by g01d4 · · Score: 1

      The problem is..the news agencies have been so complacent in all this all along too.

      Unfortunately complacency is thought to be the price paid for access. I'd think you'd want a full spectrum of coverage. Even in compliant interviews and pieces you can often glean interesting information reading between the lines.

    29. Re:If I were president... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't vividly remember squat, Bush was far more open. All the media did was bash him nonstop. Obama tried to have all of Fox News shut out almost right at the start, and only backed down because the rest of the journalists objected.

    30. Re:If I were president... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh utter Drivel, Every Administration since the founding of the country has been doing this.
      It got worse after the debacle in Panama when Media sent independent journalists since that administration didn't do much to support them.

      After really, really crummy coverage of Panama by the media the White House really stepped up and started to manage the press very aggressively.
      Such that they pay for the flights for a core set of reporters to cover the news in hot spots with full support from the state department.

      If your a News Business what are you going to do, pay for your own reporters without support from the state department or let them be ferried around at someone elses expense? It's a no brainer business wise.

      This is in no way news, new, or in any way a product of the current administration.

    31. Re:If I were president... by Reason58 · · Score: 2

      So then we are in agreement it has nothing to do with the current president and everything to do with the broken system.

    32. Re:If I were president... by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      Or that Obama is the worst president ever BS. Obama is no different than any of the past presidents. If anything he's more to the right of Clinton but he's still middle of the road, grow federal government, grow executive power, just like every president before him.

    33. Re:If I were president... by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      Yup, I pretty much completely agree. I also get annoyed, though not quite as much, by people who practically worship him. My overall opinion of him: Eh, he's a politician. He's a little better than Bush Jr, but that doesn't take much, and it's only on a few specific issues.

    34. Re:If I were president... by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      So then we are in agreement it has nothing to do with the current president and everything to do with the broken system.

      Close, but not quite...

      I think with Obama, we've hit a new low, and it has been an agenda pushed by them with veracity we've not seen with previous presidencies.

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    35. Re: If I were president... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You never know when you're going to have to deal with the fact that your IRS head is reaming the Tea Party a new one, or that you Attorney General just got done giving you a hummer and is asking what other parts of the Constitution you want him to piss on today. You can't just be 100% open about these things.

      The only reason to not be 100% open about such despicable acts, is if you want such despicable acts to occur. If you oppose them, then I see no reason to not be 100% open about "hey, these assholes over here are being assholes regarding your rights. Here's what I am going to do to stop it".

      You neck bearded basement dwellers have NO IDEA how the real world works.

      No, we understand perfectly well how the world works. We just disagree that it must continue to work that way.

    36. Re:If I were president... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget "gamergate." That lady is playing people's biases like a fiddle and there are idiot trolls writing stupid things, as usual.

    37. Re:If I were president... by Reason58 · · Score: 1

      And, as you admit, it is getting steadily worse. This points more to a systemic problem than a specific person.

    38. Re:If I were president... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately complacency is thought to be the price paid for access. I'd think you'd want a full spectrum of coverage.

      I don't mind them reading the WH statements, but it is generally useless unless independent thought, and investigation accompanies it.

      The WH could just as easily post their scripts online for us to read...in which case, what use are the news agencies?

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    39. Re:If I were president... by HiThere · · Score: 2

      Various 3rd parties bought both of them. The media have been purchased by non-media companies over the last 5 decades. Prior to that they were mainly small, and most of them were always on the edge of failure, so it wasn't that expensive. (Actually, the three major media networks of the time, NBC, CBS, and ABC were already controlled by people whose interest was not in the news, except in a minor way. But at that time most cities had two daily newspapers, one of which was still independent. And most radio stations were independent.)

      My suspicion is that the network coverage of the Vietnam War caused those interested in power to notice that this was a way of pushing their views effectively. I'm sure they already knew it, since Hearst created the Spanish-American war, but people know lots of things they don't pay attention to. Still, the only evidence I have for the link is some suspicious timing.

      And no president has been elected in the last century without the support of the major players. The last relatively independent one was FDR, Teddy Rooseveldt tried to break away and failed. Chester A. Arthur was elected with the support of one of the major players, but then reneged. (Once a president gets into office, he becomes partially immune to the players, and occasionally breaks free. Getting re-elected requires not only popular support, but regaining support of a major player. [See Teddy Rooseveldt, Bull-Moose Party.])

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    40. Re:If I were president... by tendrousbeastie · · Score: 1

      Yes, but so long as we also accept that the President is also the person who, as an individual, is most able to try and change the system.

    41. Re:If I were president... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      You're referring to Woodrow Wilson, I assume. He played more than 1200 rounds of golf during his presidency. Dwight D. Eisenhower played over 800 rounds. Pitiful Barack Obama, who clearly can't keep up with the great white presidents, has only played about 120 rounds.

      Bush only managed to get through 24 rounds, because he was too busy clearing brush while vacationing on his Texas Ranch during the 400-plus vacation days he took while in office (not counting weekends).

      Yes, it's nice to be president, but as far as I'm concerned, if you're president and your not getting blowjobs, you're not trying.

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    42. Re:If I were president... by jandersen · · Score: 1

      If I were president, $#% like that wouldn't happen... I'd leave it all completely open

      I have no doubt that you are completely sincere about your feelings, but I suspect, if you were president, and anyway near competent and resposible, you would probably do exactly what all the others have done, more or less. Most of what any sensible leader does, is dictated by circumstances and whatever crap is left over from previous office holders. Just take the perennial question of that slightly parasitical, close friend of the US, Israel; several presidents have tried and failed to do anything about the Middle East, despite knowing what the root of the problem is. Good intentions are no match for reality.

  2. Control by peragrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Internet perceives censorship as damage and routes around it. The tighter the control the more systems will slip through their fingers.

    Ooh how many more memes can this article produce?

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    1. Re:Control by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Informative

      You should have seen the opening of the first draft -- "Washington DC: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."

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  3. I'll be impressed if nobody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    insults the intelligence of forum readers by repeating the old quote that inspired TFH.

    Heh. Yeah, right! It'll be modded up too.

  4. Re:Racists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The who?

  5. Transparency???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hah!

  6. What's the Press Office for? by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What did they imagine the White House Press Office was for? It's always been the tool that the White House uses to get whatever information it wants the press to report on out to reporters. It's not a service to the press to tell them everything THEY want to know about the government. Never has been. If they're not getting out the information that THEY want to report on, whose job is that?

    1. Re:What's the Press Office for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, originally it was. The press office and press secretary grew organically out of a need to organize and streamline reporter's questions, so the president is being harassed (or his staff harassed) by 5 different guys asking the same question. Some press secretaries would actually say things like "I don't know the answer to that, I will ask the President" and then, crazy at it sounds, they would have an answer to that actual question and the next briefing!

      Of course once you have a system of information dissemination in place, it will tend toward "corruption" and become more about promoting a specific message instead of actual facts.

      This is not to say, I don't agree with the previous comment. The White House Press Corps is a damn joke.

    2. Re:What's the Press Office for? by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 2

      Investigative journalism costs money. It's a far greater risk, in terms of expense, than simply regurgitating bullshit - from whatever source.

      Mass media exists to make a profit, not enforce journalistic integrity.

    3. Re:What's the Press Office for? by kilfarsnar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Everyone should see the movie Network. It is absolutely brilliant. The dearth of investigative journalism has a lot to do with news departments being expected to turn a profit and get ratings. Once that requirement is in place, everything will be subordinated to the bottom line. Journalism stops and profit seeking begins.

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    4. Re:What's the Press Office for? by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Maybe because someone promised that this would be the "most transparent administration ever" and the whole way of doing business in Washington would "CHANGE"?

      I know, I know, only a moron would believe a politician (esp from Chicago), but apparently many did.

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    5. Re:What's the Press Office for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, moron. This is about content written by reporters that is censored by the White House or they will not allow transmission. This path around their pathetic attempts to stifle truth is excellent. Eventually, more "journalists" may see that they have been mindless pawns in the hands of the most unconstitutional administration in recent history.

    6. Re:What's the Press Office for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe because someone promised that this would be the "most transparent administration ever" and the whole way of doing business in Washington would "CHANGE"?

      I know, I know, only a moron would believe a politician (esp from Chicago), but apparently many did.

      Well last election the other side gave us "they just don't matter" and "I don't know" why that $100 million is in a caribbean bank account.

    7. Re:What's the Press Office for? by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      So which would you prefer, the guy who's up front about what he believes and does (though you may not like it) or the guy who tells you what you want to hear, and then does the same things?

      I'd prefer the honest scoundrel over platitudes and deception, personally.

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  7. All well and good, but... Google Groups? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously? Journalists should muster the stuff to set up something for themselves. As we know, there's so > much room between Google and the NSA -- as far as I'm concerned, Google *is* the NSA, for all practical purposes.

    C'mon, journalists! You can do better!

  8. That Damned Obama by Vladius · · Score: 1

    Summary: The White House puts their spin on news, like every other administration has.

  9. INCONCEIVABLE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    he promised the most open & transparent administration ever!

    these reporters are obviously racists!

    (& yes, W is a chimp & Romney would have looted the country for BAIN - doesn't excuse O's behavior!)

  10. Re:Just like TASS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not if they win. History is written by the victors after all.

  11. Overblown Story About Nothing by coastal984 · · Score: 4, Informative

    After reading TFA, this is much to do about nothing. One piece of "news" requested by the White House to be removed included paring down an article of the President's visit on the "Tonight Show" based on an agreement with the show not to release too much about the content of the show before broadcast - a common show biz rule. Another was a line about the First Lady working out in a hotel gym, while another was a piece about the President honoring a retiring long-time White House journalist with a cake and a humorous quip. The only thing of possible substance here is the 4th mentioned report where a reporter had sour grapes about being left out of a photo op, and wrote a piece comparing his treatment to a freedom of the press speech the President had given days earlier.

    In fact, they quoted other reporters saying they've never had a problem, and have never been corrected besides "spelling and factual errors".

    What a sham post. Editors should be ashamed of themselves for trying to start a boiling political argument over nothing. Smells thickly of corporate motives, which is blatantly unacceptable.

    1. Re:Overblown Story About Nothing by tomhath · · Score: 1

      The journalists position is that no censorship is acceptable.

    2. Re:Overblown Story About Nothing by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yeah, unless the military or "intelligence" are involved. Then they'll gladly self-censor. They're all info whores to someone.

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    3. Re:Overblown Story About Nothing by torkus · · Score: 2

      Maybe in a perfect world.

      In reality...if they want to be inside the information loop of the White House they have to play ball. Sure, they can give them the finger and be cut out...left to second hand information...and fall behind in all the late breaking stories. They might get something unique, new, or otherwise not commented on once in a while but they're giving up the firehose for the garden hose...at best.

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    4. Re:Overblown Story About Nothing by geekoid · · Score: 1, Funny

      Reading you sig warms my heart. Just knowing people like you will leave when the beta becomes active lets me know the a massive increase in post quality is coming.

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    5. Re:Overblown Story About Nothing by ilparatzo · · Score: 2

      Benign details or not, why is my government in the business of reviewing benign news stories for distribution anyway? If these details are so "benign", what a helluva waste to have me paying some schmuck with my tax dollars to find spelling mistakes and a mini army to decide if a girl who fainted needs to be included in an article?

      If there is nothing "shady" about the government's role, I'm still happy to see it out of their hands. For one, they don't need to be in that business. Second, why put the honeypot in the room with them with the lid off? No need to tempt our government to abuse power ... they have plenty of history that they aren't to be trusted in those situations.

    6. Re:Overblown Story About Nothing by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      What censorship? Is anyone forced to submit/receive pieces only to/from the press office?

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  12. AMERICA THE GREATEST by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THE most transparent administration in history of the freest, most democratic, stongest, greatest and #1 country in the world with a president who was rewarded with the Nobel Peace Prize by Europe!

    *puts his hand on his heart and begins singing*

    "AMERICA, AMERICA, GOD SHED HIS GRACE ON THEEEeeee"

    1. Re:AMERICA THE GREATEST by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey pal, remember... no booze in the morning. And stay off the roads.

  13. NEWS! FOR! NERDS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems like false advertizing!

  14. Print Pooler? by sabbede · · Score: 1

    Is that like a spooler? Who's managing the queue?

  15. um... by Charliemopps · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Before everyone gets all uptight... actually check this story out. It's a bunch of hype.
    Full Disclosure: I don't like Obama, didn't vote for him, etc... Though I'm not a republican either.

    Reporters have alleged that the Obama White House exploits its role as distributor to "demand changes in pool reports" and has used this power to "steer coverage in a more favorable direction."

    Of course they did. Wouldn't you if you were president?

    On top of that, this is only for print journalists. All of the other Journalists (Cable/TV/Internet) already have external distribution systems to send this stuff out. This isn't an example of Whitehouse overreach. It's yet another example of Print Journalism being 30 years out of date.

    Next they'll accuse the whitehouse of withholding their typewriter ribbon supplies to delay stories.

  16. Maybe you would and maybe you would not. by Kludge · · Score: 2, Informative

    Of course there are going to be dozens of free speech comments, and how this is censorship and a terrible thing. But the reality is that the president gives these reporters unprecedented access to his daily life that he need not give them at all. From TFA:

    Carney told the pool reporter, David Nakamura of The Washington Post, that the workout was part of the first ladyâ(TM)s personal time and therefore off limits to reporters. Nakamura disagreed but reluctantly deleted the line to ensure that his report would be sent.

    If I were president, Mr. Nakamura would have no fricking clue when and where my wife was working out, and if people did not like that, they could kiss my ass.

    1. Re:Maybe you would and maybe you would not. by tsqr · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Lack of access to the First Lady's workout schedule is not what the people complaining about lack of transparency are upset about.

    2. Re:Maybe you would and maybe you would not. by idontgno · · Score: 1, Troll

      Lack of access to the First Lady's workout schedule is not what the people complaining about lack of transparency are upset about.

      Explicit counter-example was right in parent post. David Nakamura clearly was upset about the lack of transparency in the First Lady's workout schedule.

      I believe the next step is that you claim the cited example doesn't count, for reasons approximating "No True Scotsman".

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    3. Re:Maybe you would and maybe you would not. by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Great, so he can tell us all about his golf score, but cover up actually significant stuff, the political shannigans? - y'know, the shit that actually matters, like he'd said he'd do when he campaigned for office. The only ones who care about pointless handwaving personal details are the tabloids.

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    4. Re:Maybe you would and maybe you would not. by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      No, "explicit" counter example is a strawman. No one seriously fucking cares about the first lady's workout schedule, that has no bearing whatsoever on the running of this country. That's not the kind of transparency we're talking about and you know it.

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    5. Re:Maybe you would and maybe you would not. by leonbev · · Score: 0, Troll

      You really think so? I bet that Fox News would have a field day if they found out that Mrs. Obama only worked out twice a week considering how hard the administration has been pushing to get mandatory Phys Ed activity requirements in schools.

      Likewise, I'm sure that other organizations would love to know how often they eat stuff like Fried Chicken in their private dining quarters as well.

    6. Re:Maybe you would and maybe you would not. by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      The GP is right, unfortunately. You want greater transparency on stuff that matters, but the GP has quoted a journalist indicating that their idea of transparency doesn't match yours, and this article is about what journalists want, not what you, me, Glenn Greenwald, etc, want.

      What you're - perhaps unintentionally - highlighting is itself interesting although something we've known for years that's illustrated perfectly by, say, Politico - modern political journalism is not about holding politicians to account, it's about gossip, being in with the in-crowd, and confusing the public interest with what the media thinks the public are "interested" in.

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    7. Re:Maybe you would and maybe you would not. by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      What you're - perhaps unintentionally - highlighting is itself interesting although something we've known for years that's illustrated perfectly by, say, Politico - modern political journalism is not about holding politicians to account, it's about gossip, being in with the in-crowd, and confusing the public interest with what the media thinks the public are "interested" in.

      We're in agreement there, political journalism has gotten so yellow it looks like it's got a terminal case of jaundice. But when Obama stated his administration would be more transparent, it was in the context of the laws and executive orders he would sign/pass, the initiatives he would undertake regarding defense, the wars, the Patriot Act, the economy, and that's how most of us understood it. That's the important stuff of actual consquence. If the media wants to go all tabloid, that's on them, but I don't believe it absolves Obama from essentially reneging on his campaign rhetoric.

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  17. What the Pool System Actually Is by jratcliffe · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just to be clear, it's not as if all the reporters on the White House beat run all their work through the White House press office. This story is talking about material produced by the "pool." These are low-impact, run of the mill stories (President met with Cub Scouts, talked about importance of youth exercise, etc.) where it would be silly to have every news outlet cover them with their own reporter. So, the journalists on the White House beat rotate through the pool, one person (maybe this week it's the reporter from the Chicago Tribune) writes the story about the Cub Scout meeting, and it gets distributed to all the outlets. Essentially, it's a mini version of the Associated Press.

  18. Apparently Worse Now by glennrrr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, apparently under this President it's gotten to the point where they've have to have a formal work-around. Perhaps partisans will jump in and say that under Bush a report was delayed for an hour because of an emergency, or some other lame precedent that will allow them to claim that "everybody does it," when no, everybody doesn't do it.

    1. Re:Apparently Worse Now by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

      Well, apparently under this President it's gotten to the point where they've have to have a formal work-around. Perhaps partisans will jump in and say that under Bush a report was delayed for an hour because of an emergency, or some other lame precedent that will allow them to claim that "everybody does it," when no, everybody doesn't do it.

      No, everyone did do it. Print Journalists just finally fixed it. Then partisans on the republican side made a big fuss about it.

      To argue that Democrats are "more" evil than Republicans is laughable. They're the same party as far as any rational person is concerned.

    2. Re:Apparently Worse Now by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "They're the same party as far as any rational person is concerned."
      Only if by 'rational' you mean 'Stupid'

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    3. Re:Apparently Worse Now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Geekoid: "My favorite flavor of kool aid is blue! Only the stupid dislike kool aid of any flavor."

    4. Re:Apparently Worse Now by Reason58 · · Score: 1

      "They're the same party as far as any rational person is concerned." I guess gay people wanting the legal protections or marriage, starving people wanting food, dying people wanting medical care, victimless "criminals" wanting to ingest a plant, and the poor wanting a safety net to keep them off the streets aren't rational people. Yep, both parties are totally the same.

  19. Re:Racists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My Dog deserves more respect than does Rodeo Clown.

  20. Most Open & Transparent System? by BoRegardless · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sadly, I thought the Pres. was going to do this 5 years ago.

    1. Re:Most Open & Transparent System? by geekoid · · Score: 0

      I would actually look at whats going on. instead of these stories.
      Over all, this administration has been more transparent then any president in a while.
      For example: This press pool is about routine boring stories. Presidents meets with school teacher. Presidents gets a new cat, etc...

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    2. Re:Most Open & Transparent System? by laing · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes, this administration has prosecuted more "leakers" than any before. This administration has ignored more FOIA requests than any before. This administration has delayed or ignored more congressional subpoenas than ever before. It's obvious that the Obama administration is more "transparent" than prior adminisrations. What is not obvious is the definition of transparency being referred to. I am seeing right through them.

    3. Re:Most Open & Transparent System? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      Yes, this administration has prosecuted more "leakers" than any before.

      Actually, this Administration has prosecuted more than twice as many leakers as all other Administrations combined.

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  21. Re: Censorship = damage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Net is a communication network lacking any form of self-awareness so it will do exactly what is instructed to do by the agencies who own and operate its structure. - The Real World.

  22. I'd rather journalists did this with Apple. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pretty much that.

  23. 'course they can route round it now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When Shrub's team were in, they'd have been shipped to Gitmo or shitcanned by the newspaper owner before the ink dried.

    Hell, Cheyney would've blamed a "hunting accident" and just excised them himself...

  24. um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You do realize what a "pool report" is don't you? They are basically "free to use" press notes for all or a group of reporters, they are created either due to limited space in a venue, to keep costs down by not needing so many reporters in the same place at the same time and in some cases due to the size of a venue. They are used by print journalists but some also end up in other media. I suppose they're not of dire importance but the fact that the White House is giving themselves some kind of editorial power over the reports is definitely concerning. If they're willing to stop a pool report simply because it includes the fact that an intern fainted then they would probably have no qualms about stopping more important reports.

  25. Pssst! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yo, bro, pass that blunt over here!

  26. Journalists acting terribly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nah, they just hate women.

  27. Constitutional Rights people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Holy shit, a free and independent Press? Whocouldaknowd?

  28. Re:Racists by Richy_T · · Score: 1

    But they're British.

  29. Access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is access. No single news agency can meaningfully take on the government because then most of its government sources dry up and it doesn't get on the campaign bus. It also loses support in Congress or from its investors who have a financial interest in having a positive relationship with the Government,

  30. Style??? by emaname · · Score: 1

    This article is posted under the "Style" section of the WaPo. A really slow news day or what?

    I'm also curious who this "group of 90 print journalists" actually works for. IMHO, in today's political climate after Citizens' United, every journalist is for hire.

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  31. Re:Racists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These people need to start showing the President some respect.

    Nice troll, but a bit too obvious.

  32. That is impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Obama White House. The White House of the most perfectest, the most bestest of the best. The mostest intelligentest of the intelligent, the greatest of human being, an almost god, Jupiter-like in his powers....

    They must be Faux News Repug Racists!!!!