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Remote Vision Through a Virtual Reality Headset (Video)

Add some material-handling devices and you'd have software-controlled Waldos, first described by Robert A. Heinlein in the 1942 short story titled Waldo. So while the idea of a pair of artificial eyes you control by moving your head (while looking at the area around the artificial eyes, even if it's in orbit), sounds like futuristic fun, especially if you use an Oculus Virtual Reality device instead of an LED screen, it not only hasn't caught up with science fiction, but is a fair ways behind science fact. Still, the idea of being able to control a vision system deep under the sea or in orbit around Saturn is certainly interesting in and of itself. (Alternate Video Link)

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  1. another ad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    bla bla bla Oculus...

    1. Re:another ad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > There are very few tasks where the added cost of a 3D head mounted display with a head tracker is worth it.

      Until the cost of such devices plummet due to their ubiquity. Which wont be very far away.

    2. Re:another ad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you're right. It has far more potential as a consumer gadget than for commercial or space exploration use. Being able to look around in 3D freely has great communication potential. And the porn uses could very well drive the development of the technology, not NASA. Webcam girl sites are going to make a fortune. /posting as AC because Slashdot keeps logging me out and then switching me to beta

    3. Re: another ad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck oculus, they are now one of those "original" Facebook products. I saw instagram rift coming as soon as they selled out. Because who doesn't wanna stare at someone else's food, in 3d, right?

    4. Re:another ad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're overlooking the obvious market potential of a collaboration between NASA and the porn industry...

      captcha: molested

  2. Remote Vision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'Remote Vision' the term almost sounds like from a patent.

    1. Re:Remote Vision by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      It sounds more like extrasensory perception to me.

      Next up: the fingerprint scanner in your iPhone can also do palm reading!

    2. Re:Remote Vision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Remote Vision' the term almost sounds like from a patent.

      Also not to be confused with remote viewing.

  3. Quad copter... by MindPrison · · Score: 2

    ...this is pretty cool, but I'd rather prefer to control a QuadCopter with the Oculus rift!

    Oh wait (searches)...it's done already:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

    Hm, wonder if I can play GTA 5 etc... with the oculus rift (googles again before pressing preview)
    http://www.nerdist.com/2014/06...

    Hm...not quite conclusive, but we're getting there...

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  4. Latency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    On Saturn, really?
    That will have a latency of 2,5 hours already.

    1. Re:Latency by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      That's still better than what I get from my ISP.

      Oh, 2.5 hours you say? Sorry, I thought you said 2.5 weeks.

      Posted on october 7th, 2014.

    2. Re:Latency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On Saturn, really?

      No. In orbit around Saturn.

    3. Re:Latency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Woosh

    4. Re:Latency by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      That's still better than what I get from my ISP.

      This needs to be linked here: Living with Lag (IRL)

  5. Heinlein? Really? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1
    How are we still giving this right-wing extremist good publicity? Is it because he had a few good books 70 years ago? Seriously...look at what he actually said! It's all like this:

    "The society that values the artist over the plumber merely because art is more noble, has neither good art nor good plumbing."

    The idea that one can compare artists and manual laborers in the same sentence is ridiculous. Don't believe me? Want to hit that -1 moderation button? Go ask the same question in any artists' colony. Anyone can learn plumbing, it isn't even an art, it is a trade. Ideas like Heinleins' are simply outdated.

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  6. another ad... by Russ1642 · · Score: 1

    It turns out that for the vast majority of tasks a 2D remote camera is just fine and controlling it with a mouse or keyboard is ok too. There are very few tasks where the added cost of a 3D head mounted display with a head tracker is worth it.

  7. Seems like a bad way to do it by popo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wouldn't it be easier to have a video stream which contains the full sphere of video data at all times, and use the client-headset position to display a subset of that data?

    That would allow infinite numbers of people to share the same virtual experience rather than create a silly 1-to-1 mechanized connection.

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    1. Re:Seems like a bad way to do it by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

      Not to mention I think you're gonna have some lag issues controlling a probe orbiting Saturn. Heck, you'd probably have latency issues with a submersible a few thousand feet down, enough to make you nauseous anyway.

    2. Re:Seems like a bad way to do it by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Exactly. And not just for a multi user situation, but also to provide lag-free looking around for a single person; a motorised setup + network will always have a noticeable and annoying delay. We suggested just this to the manufacturer when we looked into remote-presence robots.

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    3. Re:Seems like a bad way to do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This has enormous scientific possibilities, for porn.

    4. Re:Seems like a bad way to do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Business plan:
      Launch CubeSat, TubeSat, or other nanosat equipped with 360 degrees of camera coverage.
      Stream spherical video to Earth.
      Allow VR-headset owners to experience an immersive in-orbit experience for modest fees.

      I guess the viability of such an approach would depend on how long something like this will keep people entertained. It sounds like it could either be cool for a minute or two before getting rather boring, or conversely it might be a great way to relax on a regular basis. Of course this could also be accomplished for a tiny fraction of the price by replacing the nanosat with a sufficiently detailed 3D rendering of the Earth.

  8. yeah, doing that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There's conventions across the country I wanted to visit but couldn't, so I started working on a telepresence bot. Connects to the internet with wifi, has two cameras on its head, and is designed to have servos with head tracking so it can look around. With a decent battery and some friends in attendance you can make it truly mobile, have someone bring "you" to panels and stuff. Add microphone+speakers and make it adorable and it's an instant win.

    (The head tracking works even through lag by reading from cameras and painting the output onto the inside of a sphere with the viewer at the origin; the viewer also looks from inside the sphere, but isn't tied to the actual camera angle. The bot head chases the direction you're looking in, but even if it's slow, the picture doesn't jerk around too bad...you just have black regions where it's not actually pointed at the moment.)

    The algorithms are solid, but servos are not easy to do right when you don't have a good mechanical background, and the first gen Rift isn't the greatest piece of hardware so it's still a work in progress, but...yeah it's a thing.

    1. Re:yeah, doing that. by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 2

      so I started working on a telepresence bot.

      Pics?

      [If you mean Comicon-like conventions, have you "cosplayed" the casing as a SF/comic/video-game robot?]

      painting the output onto the inside of a sphere with the viewer at the origin; the viewer also looks from inside the sphere, but isn't tied to the actual camera angle.

      That is not just clever, but the more superior "obvious in hindsight" clever.

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    2. Re:yeah, doing that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There's conventions across the country I wanted to visit but couldn't, so I started working on a telepresence bot. Connects to the internet with wifi, has two cameras on its head, and is designed to have servos with head tracking so it can look around. With a decent battery and some friends in attendance you can make it truly mobile, have someone bring "you" to panels and stuff. Add microphone+speakers and make it adorable and it's an instant win.

      (The head tracking works even through lag by reading from cameras and painting the output onto the inside of a sphere with the viewer at the origin; the viewer also looks from inside the sphere, but isn't tied to the actual camera angle. The bot head chases the direction you're looking in, but even if it's slow, the picture doesn't jerk around too bad...you just have black regions where it's not actually pointed at the moment.)

      The algorithms are solid, but servos are not easy to do right when you don't have a good mechanical background, and the first gen Rift isn't the greatest piece of hardware so it's still a work in progress, but...yeah it's a thing.

      Those black regions are an awesome idea, should help with nausea if there's less jerkiness and lag.

      captchca, freshens

    3. Re:yeah, doing that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my last company, we used to have meetings where attendees would be in different meeting rooms across the continent. Some would attend in the form of Skype video running on a smart-phone. It was funny to hear someone start screaming and shouting that "they" (the smartphone) were slipping backwards and could only see the ceiling. Someone had to act their chaperone and carry them around using a neck pendant holder. Almost seemed like Dr. Theopolis and Twiki from Buck Rodgers.

  9. FPV and Multirotors. by koan · · Score: 1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    Fatshark goggles and an RC helicopter.

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    1. Re:FPV and Multirotors. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of the FPV stuff is nice. Something to keep in mind is that on many videos the quality seen was actually recorded to a GoPro during flight, and the transmitted video quality is much lower.

      Here are some FPV videos which take advantage of the rift. The second video in particular is great because the telemetry is actually lined up well on the seperate frame for each eye, giving the telemetry data the appearance that it floats within the visual field. Myself and a coworker are currently working on rift enabled FPV vehicles (rotorcraft in his case but not a quadcopter, car in mine) using full stereoscopic video + telemetry across the video link. Note that the links below don't make a ton of sense unless you use a rift to watch them.

      Quadcopter Rift video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1Jl66VEHgo

      Aircraft flight with full telemetry - Rift video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mt3oshlOfo

  10. Another Set of Eyes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could this be added to Soldier helmets and/or vehicles to add another set of eyes? Someone to watch your back? Seems like a good use to me.

  11. There's just one problem by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

    Add some material-handling devices and you'd have software-controlled Waldos.

    The problem happens when you lose one of them.

  12. Seen this by necro81 · · Score: 1

    I've seen this before, in the movie Sleep Dealer. The U.S. / Mexico border is completely sealed, but folks in the U.S. still want cheap labor. So: they hire Mexicans, working in Mexico, as drone operators.

  13. Re:Heinlein? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How are we still giving this right-wing extremist good publicity? Is it because he had a few good books 70 years ago? Seriously...look at what he actually said! It's all like this:

    "The society that values the artist over the plumber merely because art is more noble, has neither good art nor good plumbing."

    The idea that one can compare artists and manual laborers in the same sentence is ridiculous. Don't believe me? Want to hit that -1 moderation button? Go ask the same question in any artists' colony. Anyone can learn plumbing, it isn't even an art, it is a trade. Ideas like Heinleins' are simply outdated.

    Way to miss the point, which is more along the lines of "we can't have a society where everyone is an artist, someone has to make sure that the sinks and toilets keep working."

  14. Re:Heinlein? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Anyone can learn art, it isn't even a trade.

    Try to do your own plumbing. If something goes wrong and you're not a licensed plumber, insurances won't cover your damages.

  15. Re:Heinlein? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously? ANYONE can "be" an artist. At least a plumber requires training and knowledge.

  16. That's the solution! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a problem with self-driving cars (insurance, legal, ...).
    There's cheap labor available.

    Just let your "self driving" car be operated by someone off-shore.

    Perfect.

  17. For Space? Spherical video is a no-brainer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem with spherical video in virtual reality is that there is no positional tracking. But guess what, in space that doesn't matter! Your brain can't tell the different between being 30,000 miles from saturn and being 6 inches closer, so a static point in space is perfectly fine.

    When someone brings hi-res spherical video back from space, we will truly be able to feel what it's like to float above the earth.

    It will be awesome.

  18. Did you mean ... by janoc · · Score: 1

    Telepresence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telepresence)?

    Why do I feel that whenever Oculus Rift is mentioned, the project has to be new and ground breaking, something that has never been done before, right? Never mind the decades of previous work and existing industrial applications (like telesurgery or underwater ROV operation ...).

  19. Latency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By then, they will be able to save a copy of your mind as an AI, so no latency....

  20. Heinlein? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How are we still giving this right-wing extremist good publicity? Is it because he had a few good books 70 years ago? Seriously...look at what he actually said! It's all like this:

    "The society that values the artist over the plumber merely because art is more noble, has neither good art nor good plumbing."

    The idea that one can compare artists and manual laborers in the same sentence is ridiculous. Don't believe me? Want to hit that -1 moderation button? Go ask the same question in any artists' colony. Anyone can learn plumbing, it isn't even an art, it is a trade. Ideas like Heinleins' are simply outdated.

    The difficulty of a task and the value of completing the task aren't intrinsically related.

    Plumbing saves lives, art doesn't.

    Seriously the death toll from poor sanitation in a place with the population density of a modern city would be insane without plumbing.

  21. Saturn --- NOT! by typo-lfm · · Score: 1

    The light speed delay to Saturn (from Earth) would make it silly to even try. Even a 1.5 second delay to the Moon disorents most people to unusability.

  22. Let me just get one.. by Ksevio · · Score: 1

    That sounds great! I guess I'll just go down to my local BestBuy and pick up one of these Oculus Rifts....oh wait.

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  24. Timing would be a major issue by jraff2 · · Score: 1

    When attempting to work with Waldos the timing of one's actions gets complicated. Any time over a second delay gets very problematic. The engineers moving the Mars scouts have to think ahead and give commands to the scouts and let them wander toward a destination, but the path, speed, etc. must be handeled locally. With minutes and hours delay it's imposible to use waldos. One would have to issue a series of instructions and delimitations to ensure that what one needs to accomplish actually gets done, then let the local machine/computer decypher the instructions and figure out how to perform them. If one attempted to use Waldos at the bottom of the sea, or outer space, the time delay would very problematic. This all presumes that electrons travel at a limited speed. If one develops FTL communications then Waldos at a distance would be viable.