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Drones Could 3D-Map Scores of Hectares of Land In Just a Few Hours

sciencehabit writes: Unmanned drones aren't just for warfare. In recent years, they've been used to map wildlife and monitor crop growth. But current software can't always handle the vast volume of images they gather. Now, researchers have developed an algorithm that will allow drones to 3D-map scores of hectares of land in less than a day — an advance that is important for cost-effective farming, disaster relief, and surveillance operations.

Their computer program directly projects the points from each photo onto a 3D space without knowing the exact shape of the land or the camera positions. As a result, the tie points don't necessarily match up, which means the same corn plant can have two projections on the model. When that happens, the algorithm automatically takes the middle point between the two projections as the more accurate location and adjusts the camera position accordingly, one image at a time. Because the algorithm tweaks far fewer things at each step, the shortcut drastically speeds up calculations. Once the software has adjusted the camera positions for all the photos, the software repeats the entire process — starting from projecting the points to the 3D space — to correct for any errors.

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  1. This isn't new. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is photogrammetry software that has been doing this for some years already. Of course it's much better to have camera positions available, and control points on the ground to verify the model.

    1. Re:This isn't new. by ksheff · · Score: 1

      no kidding. This is how DEM's have been made for decades.

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    2. Re:This isn't new. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you actually learn to read, you'll discover that the new thing here is a newer algorithm that's significantly faster than the current "standard".

    3. Re:This isn't new. by plover · · Score: 3, Informative

      TFA states that the old algorithm breaks down once the number of source images exceeds a few hundred, at which point it can take thousands of hours to process. The new algorithm can accommodate over a thousand images and process them all in about four hours.

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    4. Re:This isn't new. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So apparently the newer algorithm will average estimated 3-d profiles instead of using control points and we're supposed to be gushing over it as if its the best thing since sliced bread?

  2. units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Scores of hectares! Imagine the hectares.

    1. Re:units by sixthousand · · Score: 1

      Such a bizarre quantification. Why not just say "roughly 50 acres" or "200 square meters"?

    2. Re:units by RingDev · · Score: 1

      How many Libraries of Congress is that?

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    3. Re:units by mrego · · Score: 1

      Note that there are about 260 hectares in ONE square mile.

    4. Re:units by sixthousand · · Score: 1

      3200.4 LoCs Yours truly, Unapologetic Pedant

    5. Re:units by sixthousand · · Score: 1

      200 square kilometers rather

    6. Re:units by sixthousand · · Score: 1

      I take that back, it is actually roughly equal to 1 LoC. My original metric conversion was off by a factor of 1000.

    7. Re:units by Immerman · · Score: 2

      I don't see your problem. Hectares are a fairly common unit for measuring land areas, essentially it's the SI analogue to the acre - a unit of area that's readily applicable to most land-working uses, without introducing clunky customary-unit conversion factors. At 10,000 times smaller, measurements in square meters have far too many trailing zeros to be convenient, and at 100x larger you'll usually be dealing with small fractions of square kilometers. And at 4046.86 square meters, do you really expect any scientist or engineer to futz around with acres if they can avoid it?

      Meanwhile in modern usage "scores" is a conveniently vague number that's a bit larger and less specific than "tens" or "dozens", while still being being considerably smaller than "hundreds"

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    8. Re:units by Immerman · · Score: 1

      More relevant units for those unaccustomed to SI: One hectare = 2.4711 acres (international presumably, there are a number of slightly different definitions of acre)

      "Score" meanwhile seems to have largely lost it's historical specificity of 1 score = 20, or at least I've only ever heard modern usage in the indeterminate plural, wherein "scores" is a quantity larger than "dozens" but smaller than "hundreds"

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    9. Re:units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1 hectare = 10000 square meters = 0.01 square kilometers. 1 score = 20. A score hectares = 0.2 square kilometers. Scores of hectares = at least 0.4 square kilometers.

    10. Re:units by sexconker · · Score: 1

      40 rods to the hogshead.

    11. Re:units by mpercy · · Score: 1

      Still wrong. 50 acres is about 0.2 square kilometers.

  3. units by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

    what does it mean scores of hectares? [checks google]

    For the 'mericuns, one score hectare is 49 acres. for the people who insist on SK/mks, one score hectare is 200,000 m^2. For the left-brain thinkers, there are 17 score hectares in Central Park in NYC or 64 football fields in one score hectare.

  4. LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Funny

    Scores of Hectares? Really guys?

    Why, with our revolutionary fly-a-micating devices, which are capable of travelling at dozens of furlongs per fortnight, we will be able to monitor the Aether, and map the location of the peasants houses to within a few rods, thus ensuring we can maximize tithing.

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    Off the record, a spokesman was hopeful that the new phrenology module would be available in version III.V, and evil people will be easily spotted from the air, and can then be rounded up for burning at the stake.

    Goode Frye was optimistic this would remove the threat of the witches which have been stealing the souls of babies.

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    1. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 2

      Hey that's not fair. Hectares are a totally valid unit, for any time you want to describe a largish quantity of land without having to worry about most poeple knowing how much exactly you're talking about, and maybe realizing you're overbilling them.

    2. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      LOL, no, I do realize it's a valid unit of measure ... but when you start having "scores of hectares" it rapidly devolves into one of those "I have no idea of what this unit of measure is supposed to be telling me".

      I suspect the majority of people haven't the slightest idea of what a hectare actually is -- I know I don't. It's some multiple of an acre, but not an integer multiple, because that would be complicated.

      And then I'm sure you need some non-integer multiple of hectares to become the next meaningless unit of measure.

      And it all comes down to furlongs, rods, and other mysterious units of measure nobody has any idea of what they actually mean.

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    3. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The comment is probably aimed at the word "scores". "Score" is a very old fashioned term and means 20. "Scores of" is now more commonly used to mean "many", but that's obviously a derived meaning.

    4. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's a metric-derived unit, so expect prefixes and powers of 10. An are is 100 square meters (think 10 meters by 10 meters, or roughly 30ft by 30ft). A hectare is a hundred ar (from hecto=100, hectoliter is a 100 liters, hectopascal is a 100 pascal, etc.), so a hectare is 100*100=10000 square meters. There are 100 hectares to a square kilometer. Hectare is a convenient and commonly used unit, especially in agriculture.

    5. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      Tell me, Muse, of that apparatus of many resources, who wandered far and wide, after monitoring the planted fields. Many the men whose crops it saw, whose ways it learned. Many the sorrows it suffered on flight, while trying to bring itself and its data back alive. Yet despite its wishes it failed to save it, because of the corn foolishly projecting twice the cattle of Helios, the Sun, so the god denied them their return. Tell us of these things, beginning where you will, Goddess, Daughter of Zeus.

    6. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mocking a properly and uniquely defined unit that is used the world over by putting it in one basket with furlongs and fortnights is ... American. Also reminds me of the court scene in Idiocracy.

    7. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by plover · · Score: 1

      Jocular saga, fraternal sibling.

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    8. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So how much area is 'scores of hectares' then?

    9. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Score = 20. Haven't you ever read the Gettysburg Address?

      capcha: traitor

    10. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Really? Really? Slashdot uses metric units, and THIS is how you reply? With mockery? (not that you have any other way to respond)

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    11. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      our revolutionary fly-a-micating devices, which are capable of travelling at dozens of furlongs per fortnight

      Two dozen furlongs per fortnight is roughly 0.009 mph (0.014 kph). That's not so much "travelling" as it is "not quite sitting still."

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    12. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Actually, there is an integer multiple... or rather, an integer ratio. Since we are talking about land, we have to use US Survey measurements. A Survey Foot is, by definition, 1200/3937 metres. So an acre, being 43560 square feet, would be 43560*(1200/3937)^2 or 62726400000/15499969 square metres. There are 10000 square metres in a hectare, so an acre is 6272640/15499969 hectares exactly*. *At least, in some states. Not all states use survey feet. Some use customary feet, which changes the numbers slightly. However, since both customary feet and survey feet are, by definition, exact fractions of the metre, the argument still holds. Only the numbers would change. Of course, the underlying data (The US National Spatial Reference System NAD 83(2011/MA11/PA11) epoch 2010.00) is metric from the outset and is converted to feet for publication.

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    13. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 1

      I suspect the majority of people haven't the slightest idea of what a hectare actually is -- I know I don't.

      Just remember that 1 hectare is equal to 10.5 square femtoparsecs.

    14. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      But how deep would it have to be to have the volume of a barn megaparsec?

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    15. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by chihowa · · Score: 1

      Yikes, you guys are just aching to get back to some customary system of units, aren't you? You have a beautiful system of easily scaled and converted units and immediately start shoehorning in goofy units like hectares and tonnes.

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    16. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally I know how many hectares Han Solo could make the Kessel run in!

    17. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by michaelwigle · · Score: 1

      Who needs to remember with sites like this?... http://www.convertunits.com/fr...

    18. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by chihowa · · Score: 1

      The use of hectare (along with tonne, angstrom, and all the other customary metric units) deserves mockery. What's the point of having a nice metric system if you're going to make up new units instead of using the actual units provided by the system? This path leads directly back to customary units that can't be easily converted or computed (even if they were originally crafted from a rational system of units).

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    19. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by Immerman · · Score: 1

      What units would you suggest? Square meters are far to small to be convenient for most land-measuring applications, and square kilometers too large. And nobody sane is going to use acres if they can avoid it - too much hassle to accurately convert to meaningful SI units.

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    20. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because you most often hear the prefixes for the powers of thousand (tera, giga, mega, kilo, milli, micro, nano, etc.) doesn't mean there aren't prefixes for other powers of ten. Hecto (=100), deci (=1/10) and centi (=1/100) are in common use. You could use 1 square hectometer synonymously with 1 hectare, but that's a mouthful, and the are was a (redundant) part of an early proposal for the metric system, so the more convenient hectare stuck. There's really no conversion involved. Coming from other units like square meters or square kilometers, you still only shift the decimal point. Hectare is just a shorter, nicer name than square hectometer. Likewise for the tonne: 1 megagram just sounds gaga.

    21. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by flopsquad · · Score: 1

      Two dozen furlongs per fortnight is roughly 0.009 mph (0.014 kph). That's not so much "travelling" as it is "not quite sitting still."

      Only a pedant would call him out for that! It's pretty clear he intended to say "bakers dozens of furlongs per fortnight."

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    22. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by chihowa · · Score: 1

      I understand the rationalization for the creation of new units. What is happening with these new units, though, is the birth of a customary system. The origins of this particular customary system will be much more rational than any that came before it, but it will be just as clumsy and inconsistent as any other in the end. It's not that bad now, but wait until more silly units are made and people forget what twisted rationalizations begat those units.

      You could use 1 square hectometer synonymously with 1 hectare, but that's a mouthful, and the are was a (redundant) part of an early proposal for the metric system, so the more convenient hectare stuck.

      What you're describing here is, quite literally, a "customary" system.

      Likewise for the tonne: 1 megagram just sounds gaga.

      You've totally lost me here. "Megagram" is one of the most awesome unit names in existence. Seriously, work it in to conversation the next time you'd use tonne and see how much better the world is because of it.

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    23. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with non-metric units isn't that they're customary. Customary is good. People need to actually use units. The problem is that non-metric units are ambiguous (for historic reasons) and difficult to handle (due to the many different conversion factors).

    24. Re:LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by chihowa · · Score: 2

      You're having a hard time seeing the problem here because you're familiar with the units. FWIW, what you're feeling right now (the whole, "what's the problem?" feeling), is exactly how people in the US feel about their non-metric units. I use SI every day for work, so I'm familiar with metric (and like it very much), but not with the customary metric units (which break the elegance of SI to make people feel comfortable).

      The issue with the units we've been discussing is "due to the many different conversion factors". All of the factors are multiples of ten, which helps, but the nice consistency in order of magnitude is lost. For example, mass is measured in grams and masses larger or smaller than a gram can be denoted by changing the order of magnitude associated with "gram"... except if the mass is above 10^6, in which case a new unit is used without a prefix (or sometimes with one). Converting between megagrams and milligrams is easy, as metric should be. But converting between tens of thousands of tonnes and milligrams is much less elegant.

      You'll keep your tonnes and hectares for the same (invalid) reasons as Americans (and sometimes Brits) will keep their odd units and no argument will convince them otherwise.

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  5. Farm topography by caseih · · Score: 3, Informative

    Depending on the accuracy obtained, such mapping would be highly useful on our farm for figuring out drainage. Some areas of a field might drain better with only a very small slope, if we knew where to put the channel. Currently the only real option is to drive over the field with an RTK GPS receiver and make a GIS map of elevations. Which works well enough (depending on the grid resolution; can get really old driving every 10 feet over 160 acres), but takes quite a long time to do.

    1. Re:Farm topography by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can do this for a couple thousand dollars with an open source flight controller such as the Pixhawk: http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/apm-octocopter-build-and-mission

      Basically, the autopilot can be set to do a sweeping grid pattern, and when the photo timestamps are matched with GPS logs, you get a great starting point for building a point cloud. The AutoDesk cloud can do this for you as well to take the load off your own systems.

    2. Re:Farm topography by RingDev · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It doesn't have to be highly accurate for agricultural use. More valuable is the soil samples. Nothing your average joe-farmer is going to spring for, but many of the mega-farms already do this to identify the minimal amount of fertilizer/herbicides to use to maintain a maximum profit margin.

      I'm interested in this for another reason though. The state (assuming other states have similar programs) already has recording equipment attached to a truck that they drive every road with. When project requests come in, they can play back the video and do things like count the cracks per mile, look for shoulder erosion, count pot holes, etc... It is a manual process, literally a guy sits in front of a monitor and takes notes as he watches the road roll by.

      To be able to take that video and run it through a system like this to get a point cloud, then work out a "smooth road" algorithm to identify deviations... we could take a guy out of the eye-glazing/brain killing job of watching road videos for hours each day to reviewing short segments of deviations, letting him spend more time on putting together proposal responses or proactively notifying municipalities/agencies when there are significant issues that need to be addressed.

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    3. Re:Farm topography by plover · · Score: 1

      The problem is that slope required for adequate drainage can be a very gradual change in the elevation of the ground, but the drone is not in contact with the ground. GPS located photos are great for locating lat/lon of visible items, but getting the precise elevation would probably require surveyed reference points and the full 3D treatment.

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    4. Re:Farm topography by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      Think about the labor pool - when you put out a want-ad for new employees, what type of people are you likely to find? 3D projection software operators with understanding of how it works, when it lies to you due to sketchy input data, etc. - or.... can you find somebody willing to work for minimum wage who can watch TV and count cracks?

    5. Re:Farm topography by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      There's a professor at Georgia Tech researching that sort of thing, except for sidewalks instead of streets and using a tablet strapped to a wheelchair.

      (Why yes, it is weird that I can only find an overview of a GA Tech professor's research on a ufl.edu site....)

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    6. Re:Farm topography by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Isn't there available LIDAR information available for your area?

      I while back I was looking at some for one of the areas that I hunt and it was accurate enough where you could see the ruts in the road where vehicles regularly drove down gravel roads. I can't find it at the moment but it was available in an interactive form online.

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  6. Hill climbing algorithm by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

    So it makes it better, then makes that better?

    1. Re: Hill climbing algorithm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It uses the same algorithm that CSI uses to zoom in old photos or jpegs. I think it's called score.

  7. FAA is not allowing Drone use in farming today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Talking with a large farm owner over the weekend who is ready to start using Drones to cover about 5500 acres as a supplement to their current sat. imagery. They were told no by the FAA, which says they will not be able to accommodate farming drones until 2016 at the earliest.

    So instead of figuring out how it's going to benefit the farmer and working through the leading edge adoption issues with farms who are motivated to give it a try, they are regulating them out of existence, before it can even get started.

    I can certainly understand the need for regulations as problems arise, but to write the regulations before there is an issue is just a typical stupid gov response. The FAA will make the entire process more expensive, more cumbersome and more restrictive than it needs to be without any real world experiences upon which to regulate.

    It would be simple to set a weight, height and radius limit for farming drone use. Could be done in just a couple of days with 2-3 smart people but that is just too easy for gov work.

    1. Re:FAA is not allowing Drone use in farming today by xdor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agree. Either by design or ineptitude the FAA couldn't put together a workable process for commercial UAS

      For farmers (private land owners) below the navigational airspace (500 feet above obstacles) IMO this the land-owner's property and non of the FAA's domain.

      i.e. the FAA is blowing smoke to threaten people out of working their own land until they can contort it into a regulatory money pump.

    2. Re:FAA is not allowing Drone use in farming today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How else would the byrocrats justify their existance other than regulating anything they can get their hands on?

    3. Re:FAA is not allowing Drone use in farming today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And by regulating, i don't mean reasonable stuff, like you mentioned, but doing everything to limit the possible actions + with this everyone is a terrorist/murderer/crazy if given a chance mentality going on everything to limit the possibilities unless specifically allowed if they can think a high demand for it.

    4. Re:FAA is not allowing Drone use in farming today by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Somehow, considering the use of "hectares", I don't think they're concerned about what the *American* aviation authority allows or doesn't allow.

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    5. Re:FAA is not allowing Drone use in farming today by xdor · · Score: 2

      Yes, I noticed that. Maybe as a reminder that the rest of the world is moving on with this whilst the US government manages to (at least verbally) stifle innovation.

      And as one of the thousands of people who own a UAS in "the land of the free" who can't use it for anything but recreation, I never miss an opportunity to disparage FAA policy and pseudo-policy regarding drone use.

    6. Re:FAA is not allowing Drone use in farming today by rgbscan · · Score: 2

      According to court rulings, you actually own the first 83 feet. The most famous case of this kind comes from 1945 when a chicken farmer named Thomas Lee Causby sued the US government for flying approximately 83 feet above his property, the noise of which caused a bunch of Causby’s chicken’s to accidentally kill themselves by running into walls. Causby won his case and the courts agreed that although a property owner wasn’t entitled to own all of the air above their land, they were entitled to enough so that planes flying overhead wouldn’t kill their chickens.

      As the FAA considers 500 feet and below non-navigational space, it has been assumed that you own that too, but that part has never been tried in court, and you can't count on it.

    7. Re:FAA is not allowing Drone use in farming today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm intimately aware of the process. The FAA has found itself in a difficult position where reasonable safety regulations (the same one for airplanes) will make the UAV market unaffordable, so they're stuck between "fuck 70 years of aviation safety" and "piss off the people who refuse to pay for safety". I see no need for compromise. Digital fly by wire aircraft must meet the standards for digital fly by wire aircraft, whether or not there's a person in it. Do you really trust corporations to focus on anything other than maximizing profit in this field?

    8. Re:FAA is not allowing Drone use in farming today by xdor · · Score: 1

      Which is why most companies won't sign-off on it (and I'm not inspecting pipelines with mine). Though farmers (even incorporated ones) probably have a better chance of this playing out in court in their favor than any other venture.

      Still haven't heard if the FAA's appeal was ever in court.

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    9. Re:FAA is not allowing Drone use in farming today by xdor · · Score: 1

      I believe there is a concept called "enjoyment of the land". The FAA has to pay land-owners for navigation right-of-way if flights (usually near airports) routinely go below 500 feet. Obviously not a legal coat hook, but sure seems like an indication the land owner owns that space.

      Heck, now that I think about it I want the FAA to compensate me for limiting the use of my own airspace by threatening to fine me!

    10. Re:FAA is not allowing Drone use in farming today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The FAA has their own idea of what their business is. You can choose to believe that the FAA is incorrect, but you do so at your own peril. We have learned that some untrained pilots are pretty bad at handling the UAVs when they are within line-of-site and even worse when the use first-person cameras. If that drone has a 0% chance of crashing into people or property, I may think about siding against the FAA. I also want that drone to have 0% chance of seeing in my bedroom window (which has a privacy fence in front of it). There are many use cases for drones in which the technology is capable of producing dangerous or abusive results. It does not mean we need to ban it, but it does mean that it should be regulated.

      There is a strawman in the idea of flying a drone over your own land in the boonies. The FAA has not cracked down on that. It is probably technically illegal, but unenforced. They have cracked down on unlicensed contractors flying drones over a farmers land to do surveys.

    11. Re:FAA is not allowing Drone use in farming today by dicktater · · Score: 1

      I tend to believe the FAA is blowing smoke, too. The current restriction is on commercial use of UAVs, to which the FAA is in the process of allowing exemptions to the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 on the road to adopting final rules by 2016. It's interesting to read applications for exemption by companies eager to offer their services. Most of the exemptions I am aware of have thus far gone to petitioners associated with the film industry and/or companies that desire to sell similar services. I first became aware of the FAA restrictions several weeks ago when attending a presentation by a university professor of geography for the local Audubon Society chapter who uses his personal UAV for various studies and have been looking more closely into it since. IMO, a farmer using UAVs to survey his/her own property with their own equipment solely for private use would not be engaging in commerce. And so, the restriction wouldn't apply as long as operations are within non-navigational airspace below 400 feet and outside controlled airspace in the vicinity of airports (i.e. Class B airspace). However, if the farmer were contracting with some entity to conduct such surveys in exchange for payment of a fee, the restriction would prohibitively apply to the contractor. If interested, start here: Unmanned Aircraft Systems (UAS) Regulations & Policies (FAA) https://www.faa.gov/uas/regula...

    12. Re:FAA is not allowing Drone use in farming today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can certainly understand the need for regulations as problems arise, but to write the regulations before there is an issue is just a typical stupid gov respons.

      They did not write regulations against drones before issues with drones came up. Problem is, they've had perfectly reasonable safety regulations on the books for years that never anticipated drones, because drones did not exist as they do now. Many proposed commercial uses of drones would violate the current safety regulations, and many would actually be unsafe. They are re-writing the regulations to accommodate such uses.

    13. Re:FAA is not allowing Drone use in farming today by Immerman · · Score: 1

      I suspect if you want to build a 500-foot tall building you're going to run into regulatory issues above and beyond strictly engineering-related ones. Just because others are prohibited from using the space as they see fit does not imply that you are permitted to use it as you see fit.

      An not entirely unrelated, if somewhat inverse, concept is that of right-of-ways, where just because you own the land does not give you the right to interfere with your neighbor passing through it to reach their own.

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    14. Re:FAA is not allowing Drone use in farming today by camperdave · · Score: 1

      My previous comment was based on the summary. Having Read The Fancy Article, the research is being done in the state of Maryland, so the FAA would be in authority. The reason for the hectares is that geologic surveys are now done in metric.

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    15. Re:FAA is not allowing Drone use in farming today by xdor · · Score: 1

      Actually, constructing a building is constructing "an obstacle" (as long as said constructions whole intent is not to impair air traffic aka "spite towers"). Air traffic must now avoid the new obstacle by 500 ft.

    16. Re:FAA is not allowing Drone use in farming today by xdor · · Score: 1

      You may want to up that privacy fence. FAA rule 103 allows ultra-lights (unlicensed light-frame aircraft/no pilots license needed) to fly up to 1200 feet (and lower) right over your property and look right in your window no questions asked, no permission needed.

      But contracted semi-autonomous/para-drones can't take pictures of a land owners own property with the land owners permission -- without first having an FAA permit, according to the FAA's spiel. And you can't get one! Permits are only granted to law enforcement and big foreign oil concerns flying the backside of Alaska.

    17. Re:FAA is not allowing Drone use in farming today by xdor · · Score: 1

      I'm positing the farmer owns his own airspace: and if he wants to contract someone to fly his field with 20-pound drone or a paper airplane I believe he has the right to do so without anyone's permission.

      And if the drone flies off course and crashes into the neighbors house/barn/cattle: the contractor is as liable as anyone trespassing and destroying property with a vehicle.

  8. Work hard, get strong, work harder, get stronger by deathcloset · · Score: 2

    I've always been fascinated when software makes dramatic enhancements to the capabilities of existing hardware and data. Like a few years ago there was the release of the TLD algorithm which suddenly turned my old webcam into an futuristic object recognition/tracking device!

    What I wonder is, when these software enhancements are made, does hardware usually evolve to converge with the software? Meaning, in this example, if the software is using a new method for processing point data, does that not mean the hardware could be made to collect point data in a way more conducive to this new method?

    And is this kind of progress a common thing? Is it common or rare this leapfrog progressive dance of hardware and software?

  9. Another example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of how new technology removes the need for space. The Space Age is truly dead, we are now in the Information Age. Cheap information gathering and processing! The high-energy dreams of the past are dead, welcome to the low-energy present!

  10. I'm aghast at the inconsistency in units. by Derec01 · · Score: 1

    Drones Could 3D-Map Scores of Hectares of Land In Just a Baker's Dozen of Milli-fortnights

    Fixed for consistency.

    1. Re:I'm aghast at the inconsistency in units. by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Scores is admittedly archaic, but I see it quite frequently in it's modern non-specific meaning. Hectares on the other hand are a fully modern unit - the SI analogue to the acre, which is a convenient size for measuring land for most human endeavors .

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  11. Not clear this is actually a 3D map by MaizeMan · · Score: 1

    The images are projected into 3D space to find overlaps, but from reading TFA, it sounds like the output is still a good old fashioned 2D photo, just one covering an awfully big area.

    1. Re:Not clear this is actually a 3D map by spacepimp · · Score: 1

      I might be wrong but I believe they are concurrently using lidar, and the lidar point cloud is used to help facilitate the actual photogrammetry process. Where differing points in the point cloud are interpreted to help make a geometric vs a point cloud model based off of the images. This could goa very long way in helping convert a point cloud of accurate measurments into actual useable and reasonably accurate 3d models for BIM/Farming/Mapping etc. The map produced is very much a 3d model generated from the combo of 2d images with known points of measurement and the corresponding point cloud. If they have solved this big time consuming mess of a problem the mapping /GIS/BIM world will be altered significantly.

    2. Re:Not clear this is actually a 3D map by MaizeMan · · Score: 1

      You are right, my working assumption was that this was a method for overlapping visible light photos. While I know there are approaches to convert multiple photos from different angles into a 3D reconstruction, everything I've seen in that area either require photos from a LOTS of angles or produces 3D models that are so full of artifacts as to be useless. Having actual distance-to-surface measurements as lidar provides is a very different ballgame and certainly would have big implications.

    3. Re:Not clear this is actually a 3D map by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Well, unless the land is perfectly flat, or your photos are taken from extreme high altitude, in order to accurately composite images taken from different positions (angles) you're probably going to have to build a 3D map of the surface. And assuming the photo and caption at the top of the article are actually related to the algorithm (admittedly not necessarily a safe assumption) it appears they're doing exactly that.

      From reading the article it sounds to me that they've basically introduced some "slop" into the previous 3D terrain surface mapping techniques in order to prevent the algorithms from getting completely bogged down and choking on the inevitable discrepancies.

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    4. Re:Not clear this is actually a 3D map by spacepimp · · Score: 1

      I use a FARO scanner at times, and it attempts to do something similar. However they don't remotely attempt to make a solid out of the images. So it is either point cloud or not on the export. Within the Apps you can use both views and measure etc, but not being exportable to a true polygon isn't an option at the moment so people tend to take it to solid works or Rhino and make it manually.

      You can get decent 3D modelling off of ortho with consistent overlap etc. But it isn't great yet. I assume this is going to be more powerful. The new invention of LIDAR-Lite (Google it) for a 90 dollar sensor that has about 130 feet of accuracy will allow for the careful measuring to be applied to the photographs to help make them more accurate. So the ability to pre program an ortho mapping with better results might make these more powerful for smaller verticals.

    5. Re:Not clear this is actually a 3D map by spacepimp · · Score: 1

      I think it is attempting to remove the light as a source of distance measuring and using the point cloud to assist in making the models more accurate, but more so applying logic to the point clouds for actual surface generation vs doing it manually based off of a point cloud. This should make photogrammetry the preferrable method.

    6. Re:Not clear this is actually a 3D map by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I didn't get the sense that there was any direct distance measurement of the scene at all, light source or no. I was simply working off the fact that any four or more non-coplanar points photographed from multiple locations will form a different arrangement in each photo - what appears to be triangle of treetops from one perspective may form a straight line from another, even as a different apparent straight line become a triangle. In order to reconcile those discrepancies so that the well-defined points can function as "keys" for photo-stitching I would think you must use the discrepancies to reconstruct their three-dimensional arrangement. You can then apply perspective correction to the intermediate areas to allow for stitching between images.

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  12. LOL ... Scores of Hectares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heartily approve of this romp poking fun at archaic terminology. Hectares, art thou serious bros?

  13. Modern units please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Scores of hectares per day? What year is it, 1890?

    TFA mentions around a thousand images of a 40 hectare farm being converted by the new algorithm in 4 hours, so that's 6 km^2/day, or just under 62 acres per hour. Also the drone flies exactly the same; this is the post-processing of the images that has been sped up, not the drone.

    1. Re:Modern units please by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Acres? What is this, the 1700s? Please use a modern SI unit such as hectares.

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    2. Re:Modern units please by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Exactly, in 1890 we used modern units, and 124 years later you still are using old ones (acres?)

      Uh, isn't there 24 hours in a day?, so if 40 hectares were done in 4 hours, that would be 240 hectares done in 24 hours which is 2.4 square kilometers.

  14. Is the job of land surveyors dead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still today in spite of all the technological advance, if you buy a property, you may need to pay for a land survey.
    It will be given on cryptic and imprecise angles w.r.t. a reference landmark. Surveyors will ask around $300 per marker if one want the data in GPS coordinates.
    If all the maps are written in GPS coordiantes, then it is easy to plan your land, from where to put the barn to how to sub-divide for housing.
    If drones can provide high accuracy (+/- 0.5 inch or better) markers, than surveyors become historical artifacts.
    They are nothing more than notaries. But unlike notaries, the measurements they validate does vary from one surveyor to another. High accuracy GPS coordinates would not have that problem: a properly measured marker stays measured, if one resurvey within a few days by another set of drones.
    So why do we keep around surveyors?

    1. Re:Is the job of land surveyors dead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gotta have someone to sue when it all goes wrong.

    2. Re:Is the job of land surveyors dead? by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Many (most?) surveys are historical - until such time as all surveys have been updated to high-precision GPS coordinates you'll need traditional surveyors.

      And GPS surveying isn't without it's own issues - traditionally land divisions tended to follow natural boundaries - rivers, ridgelines, etc. And the land does not stand still - in geologically active regions surface features, including your house, may move a few feet per year. Build a fence along a GPS-surveyed boundary today, and in a few decades it may no longer be anywhere near your property line. So, should everyone move their fences (and houses) on a regular basis, or should we draw the boundaries based on surface features and relegate the GPS coordinates to a short-term convenience?

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  15. Yay arbitrary units of measurement! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also see:
    Baker's dozens of morgens
    Grosses of brass
    Forty rods to the hogshead

  16. Use of drones by Livius · · Score: 1

    Of course, this was exactly the kind of legitimate purpose people wanted drones to have all along, so actually much older than the drone issues people are usually excited about.

    But the 3-D modelling math sounds very cool.

  17. What the fuck is a Hector? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the hell are you all talking about?

  18. Why wouldn't you just make these measurements by mpercy · · Score: 1

    when you were already out plowing or harvesting or fertilizing the fields? Why wouldn't you just do this continually over time to improve your maps, once you made the investment in the GPS receiver?

  19. Scores of Hectares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously a deliberate affront on the metric system!