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Satellites Spot Hidden Villages In Amazon

sciencehabit writes The Amazon is home to perhaps dozens of isolated tribes who make their living far off the grid from the wider society, growing crops and hunting and gathering in the forest. These reclusive peoples are threatened by drug running, illegal logging, and highway construction, even if they dwell in 'protected' reserves in Peru or Brazil; one group, apparently pushed out of its lands, made contact this summer. Now, researchers have a new way of examining their fate without disruptive and frightening flyovers by aircraft. Researchers use high-resolution WorldView or GeoEye satellite images to monitor demographic changes in isolated Amazon tribes. The scientists got location and population estimates for five isolated villages along the Brazil-Peru border from Brazilian government reports and other sources. Then they examined 50-centimeter resolution satellite images taken in 2006, 2012, and 2013 and could spot the peoples' horticultural fields and characteristic pattern of either longhouses or clusters of small houses; these villages could be clearly differentiated from the transient camps of illegal loggers or drug runners.

84 comments

  1. But by rossdee · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do they get free 2 day shipping with Prime?

    1. Re:But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would expect they do since they are already in Amazon.. Probably have a ton of storage space in that separate forest as well (bad AD joke, sorry).

    2. Re: But by An0nymous+Coward · · Score: 2

      There's always that critical of everyone comment.

  2. How far off the grid do you have to go. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If even these people can't have any privacy then we're all really screwed.

    1. Re:How far off the grid do you have to go. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then there's that whole turning into a morlock thing.

    2. Re:How far off the grid do you have to go. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If even these people can't have any privacy then we're all really screwed.

      The Sentinelese People of the Andaman Islands have figured out how to keep their privacy: kill anyone who comes within the range of their arrows. Other, less belligerent, tribes in the Andaman Islands have made contact with outsiders, and suffered near extermination from introduced diseases. So the Sentinelese privacy policy seems to be working well for them.

    3. Re:How far off the grid do you have to go. by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Funny

      I would really like to live underground. That would solve so many problems. You would be immune to aerial surveillance, you would not have to worry about tornadoes or storms. The temperature is a constant. You can expand just by digging more rooms. It would be a lair. However it probably wouldn't get you laid.

      Close, very close. Just replace the "expand just by digging more rooms" with "have food brought to you by your mom" and you got a perfect description of the stereotypical Slashdotter.

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    4. Re:How far off the grid do you have to go. by An0nymous+Coward · · Score: 2

      It's your mom who brings me food, smartass.

    5. Re:How far off the grid do you have to go. by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      I would really like to live underground. That would solve so many problems. You would be immune to aerial surveillance,

      Make sure to cover up those air vents, infrared cameras could pick them up.

      you would not have to worry about tornadoes or storms.

      Except for the floods they bring.

      The temperature is a constant. You can expand just by digging more rooms. It would be a lair. However it probably wouldn't get you laid.

      Those particular tribes were found by the fields they cultivated.

      We technically haven't found their homes yet.

    6. Re:How far off the grid do you have to go. by r1348 · · Score: 1

      We clearly need to create a Drone Patrol to guard our privacy!

    7. Re:How far off the grid do you have to go. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They stay isolated because the Indonesian government ordered everyone to leave them alone. Their agressivity is not the determining factor, they are not the only ones for which this kind of protection was decided. And barely some centuries ago, any tribe acting like this would have been promptly exterminated / put to slavery, so, in the general case, it is not such an efficient policy.

    8. Re:How far off the grid do you have to go. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems like they've got a point, since if they have the misfortune of living near any natural resources some corporation will come along and pay people to move them or exterminate them over more profits.

    9. Re: How far off the grid do you have to go. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't just stare at it, eat it.

    10. Re:How far off the grid do you have to go. by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      I would really like to live underground.... you would not have to worry about ... storms

      Spoken like someone who has never had a basement in a flood-prone area.

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    11. Re:How far off the grid do you have to go. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. The Andaman islands belong to India, not Indonesia.
      2. The OP is half-right - another tribe on one particular island kills everyone they meet, whereas the Sentinelese hide in the woods and avoid all contact.
      3. All other tribes have in fact been severly decimated by diseases, some up to extinction.
      4. The aggressive tribe was already known some centuries ago. However, missionaries were killed and nobody else was interested in their remote island.

      You're right that if something on their island had been desirable to western colonialists they'd have been exterminated very quickly.

    12. Re:How far off the grid do you have to go. by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      Awesome link. Sent me down quite the wikipedia rathole.

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    13. Re:How far off the grid do you have to go. by LessThanObvious · · Score: 1

      I wonder how much longer our Indians would have lasted if they just killed Columbus and his crew. If they never made it back to Spain it might have bought the indigenous people another 100 years.

  3. contact by Noah+Haders · · Score: 2

    one group, apparently pushed out of its lands, made contact this summer.

    did they make FIRST CONTACT???

    1. Re: contact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Made it out of their lands... with a warp engine of their own design.

    2. Re:contact by kwiqsilver · · Score: 2

      Doesn't the Amazon Prime Directive require us to make contact within two days?

    3. Re:contact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I should hope not. Contact typically kills most of the tribe and all of their culture.

      We as the larger connected part of humanity really do need to learn to respect such people and keep our own, including criminals, well away from them.

    4. Re:contact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Consider this scenario:

      An alien race exists, which travels the stars with some kind of FTL drive, knows the cure to all diseases, can provide food for anyone on demand, and give all people a comfortable life of happiness and leisure; without war or strife.
      Then this alien race encounters human-kind for the first time.

      Would you, as a human being, want them to:
      A) Make contact and bring all their technological advancements to improve life for yourself, your children (if any), and all of humanity?
      B) Keep away because "human culture should be respected", and the aliens should keep to their own?

    5. Re:contact by whodunit · · Score: 1

      Actually, yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F... There's even a list somewhere of isolated tribes that made first contact in the 20th century. And this list of peoples yet uncontacted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...

    6. Re:contact by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      I don't think that would be comparable to this situation.

    7. Re:contact by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      And this list of peoples yet uncontacted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...

      That calls for a re-hash of the Rumsfeldian quote about known unknowns and unknown known facts.

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    8. Re:contact by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Would you, as a human being, want them to: A) Make contact and bring all their technological advancements to improve life for yourself, your children (if any), and all of humanity? B) Keep away because "human culture should be respected", and the aliens should keep to their own?

      For the average human, the correct answer would be:

      C) Surrender so he can take their technology and declare himself emperor of humanity.

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    9. Re:contact by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      If those aliens were host to multivarious viral and bacterial infections to which humanity would have no resistance, I'd prefer they stopped for a rest at a LaGrange point and communicated only by radio-waves.

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    10. Re:contact by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      I believe Rumsfeld focused on the known knowns, known unknowns and unknown unknows?
      The unknown known was that he was bullshitting us. It's "the Emperor has no clothes" if you wish.

  4. Re:Tomorrow's news by Camembert · · Score: 5, Funny

    Their life cannot be complete without the opportunity to whine about the U2 album that appeared on their iphones.

  5. Perspective. by Dutchmaan · · Score: 2

    Imagine how we must look from their perspective. Like gods peering down on them from the heavens with magical devices that grant us powers. Can you imagine if we as a people encountered beings who were just as advanced from us as we are from those tribes. Hell even a mere 100 years of progress would seem miraculous to us to say nothing of eons. Imagine how we would look to someone from 1914.

    1. Re:Perspective. by unimacs · · Score: 5, Funny

      Imagine how we would look to someone from 1914.

      "You've had 100 years and still no flying cars? Lame."

    2. Re:Perspective. by BitterOak · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There was a really good TV show (fiction) called Amazon that ran around 2000 or so, but lasted only one season unfortunately. It dealt with some of these issues. It's available on DVD, but unfortunately it ends with a cliffhanger that was never resolved. Really awesome show though. Kind of like Lost, which came years later, only much better in my opinion.

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    3. Re:Perspective. by chrism238 · · Score: 1

      Imagine how we must look from their perspective. Like gods peering down on them from the heavens with magical devices that grant us powers.

      Erich von Däniken would be extremely happy to read your comments.

    4. Re:Perspective. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, there is a slovak prototype, and second, we had to fight three global wars (2 hot + 1 cold) that you caused.

    5. Re:Perspective. by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

      Your absolutely correct. Technological advancement is no indication of enlightenment. Our world is the sum of our values.

    6. Re:Perspective. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine how we must look from their perspective. Like gods peering down on them from the heavens with magical devices that grant us powers.

      More like witchcraft. Clearly you are an agent of the demon and must be killed with fire!

    7. Re:Perspective. by paiute · · Score: 1

      Imagine how we must look from their perspective. Like gods peering down on them from the heavens with magical devices that grant us powers. Can you imagine if we as a people encountered beings who were just as advanced from us as we are from those tribes. Hell even a mere 100 years of progress would seem miraculous to us to say nothing of eons. Imagine how we would look to someone from 1914.

      There is a screenplay out there based roughly on this premise: https://www.scribd.com/doc/135...

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    8. Re:Perspective. by gunner_von_diamond · · Score: 1

      You're totally right! What have I been doing with my life! These computer things are just a fad, should have went to school to learn how to make flying cars.

    9. Re:Perspective. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I met a guy who travelled deep into the Amazon and lived with a tribe that had not made contact. He taught them about our ways. They thought we were idiots.

      I'm not making this up.

  6. Let's take their land already. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trail of Tears.

    1. Re: Let's take their land already. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure why we bother trying. How long can we keep this up? Man isn't exactly known for its resolution.

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    1. Re:Your custom search results on Amazon.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I came within micro-smoots of moderating your post as botspam. Lucky for you I recognized your username. Carry on.

  8. I hear it comes with a shiny gold ring by jpellino · · Score: 4, Funny

    and all the fissshes you can eat.

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    1. Re:I hear it comes with a shiny gold ring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      close, it's the amazon so:

      and all the fishes that can eat you.

  9. Perspective. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Then imagine their disappointment when they find out how we use this power. :P

  10. Confused. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The Amazon is home to perhaps dozens of isolated tribes who make their living far off the grid from the wider society, growing crops and hunting and gathering in the forest." -- HOLY MOLY! I had no idea the company was that big... and I kinda imagined it would be a little more advanced technologically. I mean, how is it I'm streaming episodes of Red Dwarf from them when they don't even have internet?

    1. Re:Confused. by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      A younger Bezos saw Gene Wilder's Wonka boss the Oompa-Loompas about, and thus was his business model born....

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  11. *ahem* by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    Anybody using the satellite pix to catch and stop the loggers? Where's the infrared cams?

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    1. Re:*ahem* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      too busy looking for topless native women sunbathing

  12. Re: Tomorrow's news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You missed Jehovah's Witness.

  13. Re:Tomorrow's news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    if christians really believe that complete and utter ignorance of christ, never having an opportunity to learn of him and his dad, means that a person will go to heaven by default, then the best thing christians can do is never go anywhere near these people. by leaving them alone they ensure the gift of eternal life in heaven. also these people dont have to deal with annoying christians preaching at them

  14. The Lost People by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bring them Christianity and civilize them... That's what they need the most.

    1. Re:The Lost People by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They seem to have managed perfectly well without Jesus for the last few hundred, if not thousand, years.

  15. leave them alone by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    OK, we found this group of people... moving on.

    Chalk it up for +1 diversity, but for God's sake, don't try to visit them and sneeze in there general direction.

    If they were unhappy, they would have walked in one direction long enough to "discover" others. Leave them be.

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    1. Re:leave them alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      When have white people ever left another group of people alone, ESPECIALLY when they live on resource-rich land?

    2. Re:leave them alone by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 2

      But civilisation! They clearly need Iphones!

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    3. Re:leave them alone by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      If they were unhappy, they would have walked in one direction long enough to "discover" others. Leave them be.

      if we were to find natives in the US...

      Team Blue:
      But are they paying "their" taxes? They were born within the geographic confines of a nation state, so they implicitly agreed to a the Social Contract.

      Team Red:
      Do they not benefit from the clean air and logging bans the government provides? Why should they not have to pay for those benefits? We can't have any free riders taking advantage of the system. They should be working and have ID's.

      like another comment said, sometimes a quiver of arrows is the most sensible policy.

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    4. Re:leave them alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they must hear about the good words by Jesus Christ and the followings he brought from God.

    5. Re:leave them alone by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Chalk it up for +1 diversity,

      So we have an obligation to make sure they are not under represented in the tech industry.

      If they were unhappy, they would have walked in one direction long enough to "discover" others. Leave them be.

      Obviously they are simply to niave to realize how unhappy they truly are.

      It is our duty to get them to American on an H1B ASAP. So they can sit in a cubicle in Silicon valley. Only then can they be truly happy.

    6. Re:leave them alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When have people ever left another group of people alone, ESPECIALLY when they live on resource-rich land?

      Fixed that for you. You need a history lesson on non-white people. I recommend any sane history class.

    7. Re:leave them alone by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "If they were unhappy, they would have walked in one direction long enough to "discover" others. Leave them be."

      Yes we need to protect them. It is our responsibility to keep them safe from the modern world. We all know that they just could not handle knowing about rest of the world, science, and technology. It is our responsibility to protect them like innocent children or some endangered wild animal.
      Kipling would be proud of how take responsibility for your burden.

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    8. Re:leave them alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, let them be with their ignorance, their diseases, their 30-year life expectancy. They live in the darkness not because they choose to, but because they dont know any better.

    9. Re:leave them alone by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, contact more often than not reduces their life expectancy, as everything from syphilis right down to the common cold ravages the population. In some cases, entire tribes have been wiped out, in other cases, the tribe dropped below a viable size and had to either request a "merger" with another tribe or take the government boat downriver to a life in urban slums.

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    10. Re:leave them alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assure you they dont need our pathogens to wreak havoc in their lives. Their own diseases, their parasites and their misery are more than enough to do the job.

    11. Re:leave them alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but for God's sake

      Calm yourself. The satellites aren't bothering them.

    12. Re:leave them alone by kesuki · · Score: 1

      how will they learn of conservation if they don't attend school we need to build highways to their sheltered world of jungle living. it's not like they're sustainable or anything like that, are they?

    13. Re:leave them alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leave them the fuck alone.

    14. Re:leave them alone by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      They have some level of resistance to the local diseases. They don't have resistance to diseases that they have never encountered. Instead of assuring me, go and read any book on the history of contact. History is littered with the bodies of indigenous people killed by colonists' (and colonists' rats') diseases.

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  16. You mean, Amazon the place in South America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The Amazon is home to perhaps dozens of isolated tribes who make their living far off the grid from the wider society, growing crops and hunting and gathering in the forest. These reclusive peoples..."

    For an instant, that sounded like the software firm.

  17. coming soon: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    amazon rainforest street view

  18. Re:Tomorrow's news by camperdave · · Score: 1

    The Christian belief is that without a knowledge of God, a person is judged based on their own conscience, not that they would go to Heaven by default. However, that is beside the point. Christians are commanded to go and make disciples of all nations.

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  19. Quick, let's steal their land and enslave them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    After all, that's what happened to virtually everybody else on Earth.
    Do you ever wonder why you have to work five days a week, until you're 67, and then you die within a few years of retirement?
    Who claims to own all the land in your country? When somebody sells a piece of land, how did they claim to own it in the first place?

    The people of the rainforest are being forced off their OWN land, where they have lived for tens of thousands of years, to be turned into wage slaves, working in factories. Wake up.

    1. Re:Quick, let's steal their land and enslave them by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

      "After all, that's what happened to virtually everybody else on Earth. Do you ever wonder why you have to work five days a week, until you're 67, and then you die within a few years of retirement? Who claims to own all the land in your country? When somebody sells a piece of land, how did they claim to own it in the first place? The people of the rainforest are being forced off their OWN land, where they have lived for tens of thousands of years, to be turned into wage slaves, working in factories. Wake up."

      Insightful. It has been suggested the "Garden of Eden" story is really about the painful transition from hunting/gathering by tribes to agriculture managed by militaristic bureaucracies. Several groups of people have similar stories, some fairly recently as they were forced to convert to agriculture by being pushed off their native lands. This happened also in England with the "Enclosure acts".
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E...

      Various pushed to "privatization" in the USA are the same old thing... And it is expanding to water rights, spectrum rights, endless copyrights, overly broad patents, and so on...

      Related:
      http://conceptualguerilla.com/...
      http://www.whywork.org/rethink...
      http://www.primitivism.com/ori...
      http://www.amazon.com/Pandoras...
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...
      http://www.basicincome.org/bie...

      And the amazing:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
      http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Sle...
      "A riveting account of the astonishing experiences and discoveries made by linguist Daniel Everett while he lived with the Piraha, a small tribe of Amazonian Indians in central Brazil. Daniel Everett arrived among the Piraha with his wife and three young children hoping to convert the tribe to Christianity. Everett quickly became obsessed with their language and its cultural and linguistic implications. The Piraha have no counting system, no fixed terms for color, no concept of war, and no personal property. Everett was so impressed with their peaceful way of life that he eventually lost faith in the God he'd hoped to introduce to them, and instead devoted his life to the science of linguistics. Part passionate memoir, part scientific exploration, Everett's life-changing tale is riveting look into the nature of language, thought, and life itself."

      Howard Zinn wrote about what parts of America were like before Columbus began the conquest (backed by profiteering organizations run for "the love of money"):
      http://www.historyisaweapon.co...
      "The Indians, Columbus reported, "are so naive and so free with their possessions that no one who has not witnessed them would believe it. When you ask for something they have, they never say no. To the contrary, they offer to share with anyone...." He concluded his report by asking for a little help from their Majesties, and in return he would bring them from his next voyage "as much gold as they need ... and as many slaves as they ask." He was full of religious talk: "Thus the eternal God, our Lord, gives victory to those who follow His way over apparent impossibilities." Because of Columbus's exaggerated report and promises, his second expedition was given seventeen ships and more than twelve hundred men. The aim

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  20. Perspective. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    amazonian-tribesman: "guys, GUYS! says here we're OFF-something-called-a-'grid'!"
    2nd, 3rd, a-whole-bunch of, amazonian-tribesmen: "..."

  21. Uncontacted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OP is referring to the video of the uncontacted tribe, one of which was carrying a firearm?

  22. Avatar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "In 2006, Sentinelese archers killed two fishermen who were fishing illegally within range of the island. The archers later drove off, with a hail of arrows, the helicopter that was sent to retrieve the bodies."

    Sounds like a scene right out of Avatar.

    Just leave them alone and enjoy this gem from a distance.

  23. Re:Tomorrow's news by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

    Any others I've missed?

    Yes - your Thorazine and Haldol

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  24. Re:Tomorrow's news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I sure as hell hope that they have a democracy, full suffrage and equal rights for all. Otherwise, send in the Apache Helicopters!

  25. Re:Tomorrow's news by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 2

    Christians sending missionaries to these villages to show them the ways of Christ.

    Actually, missionaries are highly unlikely to get a permit to enter regions of the Amazon populated by isolated tribes. They even used this to deny Daniel Everett the opportunity to return to study the Piraha language. (Everett originally visited the Piraha as a missionary, but was "converted" to atheism by his experiences there. His study of the language contradicted various mainstream theories of linguistics, and rather than saying "you're wrong, but feel free to look for evidence -- you won't find any," various authority figures accused him of being a charlatan and obstructed his research. He's been successfully blocked long enough that Portuguese influence has altered the Piraha language to the point where the language features he was studying could easily have been lost, and as well as stopping him proving himself right, it's now impossible to prove him wrong. Bloody academic egos.)

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  26. Metric System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You motherfuckers want to inflict the metric system on everybody else. What makes these people any different?