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Culberson As Chair of NASA Fundng Subcommittee Makes Europa Mission More Likely

MarkWhittington writes: As many have expected, Rep. John Culberson (R-TX) has been elevated to chair the House Appropriations Subcommittee for Commerce, Justice, and Science. The subcommittee has charge of NASA funding, something of keen interest for the congressman, whose Houston district is close to the Johnson Spaceflight Center. Moreover, Culberson's enthusiasm for space exploration goes far beyond what would be expected from a Texas representative.

Culberson is a champion of a mission to Europa, a moon of Jupiter. Europa is an ice-covered moon that is thought to conceal an ocean of water, warmed by tidal forces, which might contain life. Using the heavy-lift Space Launch System, NASA could launch a large-scale probe to study Europa and ascertain whether it harbors alien life or not. Culberson's elevation makes such a mission far more likely to occur.

57 comments

  1. Enceladus by bitingduck · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Enceladus is probably a better candidate-- there's reason to believe that it's as little as a few meters to get to liquid water that's already known to have most of what you need for life. It's much farther away though, so it's a lot longer to get there.

    1. Re:Enceladus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Europa is a much better target. It is closer, has geysers (no drilling required), and has not only ice but a rocky core to supply the chemicals needed for life.

    2. Re:Enceladus by Rei · · Score: 1

      It's not 100% certain that there's geysers on Europa, and if they exist it's likely that they're only sporadic. But it is 100% certain that they exist on Enceladus, and probably constantly.

      Anyway, what I'm really wondering is: does this guy want to give extra funding to NASA for an Enceladus mission, or does he just want to rob other programs?

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    3. Re:Enceladus by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      We have not gotten close enough to either moon yet to do the research it takes to decide what kind of lander to send. The first missions we should send would be orbiters that get close enough to characterize the surface of both bodies.

    4. Re:Enceladus by l810c · · Score: 1

      I agree.

      A Jupiter orbiter with 4 probes(one for each of the inner moons) would likely yield some great information about where to go next and some stunning photos.

    5. Re:Enceladus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The zillion of fissures with steep walls on each side could only be caused by geysers. It is obvious, but no one wants to say it. Maybe they are not going on all the time, but zillions have happened in the past.

    6. Re:Enceladus by Dr.+Scatterplot · · Score: 1

      I vote Europa. Enceladus is small, so tides are probably powering its weird south polar thermal anomaly. No one knows when the tides started. It's possible the ocean has not been there long enough for life to get started. Even a million years would be a blink of an eye compared with the 4.5 Gyr age of the solar system. From what Cassini observations have revealed, Enceladus's ocean, if it exists, is probably under 40 km or more of ice. In contrast, Europa almost certainly has a global ocean, possibly just a few km beneath the ice (based on Galileo and Voyager spacecraft recon). The surface geology contains hints that perched liquids exist tens to hundreds of meters below the surface. Hubble observations of possible plume-like emissions mean there could be a chance to sample material from the ocean without needing to land on the surface (out of respect for Clarke, of course).

  2. Space Pork System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The only thing you need to know is that this guy is a big fan of the Space Launch System, perhaps the most pork fueled missionless NASA project going.

    They are DESPERATELY trying to come up with a mission to justify the $18B in development costs (likely costs are $10B per launch over 4 launches for a total of $40 BILLION!)

    Every failure of this program under government cost reimbursement and cost plus contracting rules results in more PROFIT to the contractors.

    Meanwhile, politicians are trying to force SpaceX away from pay per performance and the low costs that come with that and the lowered risk that comes with that for the taxpayer into these cost plus contracts "to make sure they spend their money efficiently." Trust us, the last people we expect to help spend money efficiently are politicians.

    1. Re: Space Pork System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a tax payer, I am happy with any investment in space exploration... Even inefficient investment. $50 billion wasted building space ships is better than $1 billion wasted on Egypt, Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

    2. Re: Space Pork System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a taxpayer I'd much rather have my money spent exterminating Muslims and other funny-talking brown people. To each their own, I guess.

    3. Re: Space Pork System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I would agree, but imagine what a company like spaceX or any of the other commercially oriented folks could do with $40 Billion. In the long run the horrendous politicization and pork spending by politicians (in both military and other areas) will damage our national strength. The next aircraft carrier is going to be $18B. These are ridiculous numbers.

    4. Re: Space Pork System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There could be more brown people on the moons of Jupiter. Don't you want us to find them, so we can slaughter them? Also where there are brown people there is oil. Don't you want that oil for our SUVs and to make more war on more brown people? Are you a freedom-hating communist terror sympathizer?

    5. Re: Space Pork System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I only care about the ones in reach of ICBMs

    6. Re: Space Pork System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "but imagine what a company like spaceX or any of the other commercially oriented folks could do with $40 Billion. "

      So touchingly naive. I've worked in startups, and your precious commercially oriented folks got real busy creating a web of legal deception to funnel VC money away.

      That's what would happen with 40 billion $.

      Get real.

  3. Bennett!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    But how does this benefit breasts in public making ice cream for the lines at Burning Man? When will Bennett Haselton weigh in on this important topic so I can finally form an opinion?

    Help me frequent contributor Bennett Haselton. You're my only hope!

  4. Found life by Scottingham · · Score: 2

    I'd be surprised if we didn't at least find some sort of microbial life...if we didn't though we better put some there! Hedge for DNA...humans, meh...we should do everything we can to allow DNA to survive forever. FOREVER.

  5. Fundng by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *PoKs*

  6. Excellent! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For way too long NASA has been dominated by the Manned Mission directorate and they are forever poaching funds from the robotic missions to fund their manned pork such as the ISS, SLS (the Rocket to Nowhere), and Orion.

    Last year about this time, NASA had spent more on a new toilet for the ISS ($30 million) than for Europa mission ($5 million).

  7. All these worlds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't anyone watch 2010, or The Europa Report? Leave Europa alone.

  8. The war on moons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Declare war on moons, blow up said moons, ???, profit!

  9. Re: Unnecessary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you dense? That was trollbait, Admiral Aspergers.

  10. Noooooooo! by QilessQi · · Score: 2

    Did he not get the message four years ago??

    ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPA
    ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE

    The dude's gonna get us all monolithed. I don't wanna be monolithed.

    1. Re:Noooooooo! by jratcliffe · · Score: 2

      Hey, a deal's a deal. We didn't get Sun 2, the aliens don't get Europa as their private playground.

    2. Re:Noooooooo! by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Dude, it's not called "Sun 2", it's called "Lucifer".

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  11. Re: Unnecessary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're a total fucking tool, and also fail pathetically at sarcasm detection.

  12. Re: Unnecessary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Oh, come on! This isn't even Poe's Law; you just got whooshed.

  13. Texas representative? by tomhath · · Score: 2

    Culberson's enthusiasm for space exploration goes far beyond what would be expected from a Texas representative

    Okay submitter, what do you expect from a Texas representative?

    1. Re:Texas representative? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it's okay to be prejudiced if you're a liberal, as posts and articles have revealed time and time again over the years. This Republican sure sounds anti-science, doesn't' he?

    2. Re:Texas representative? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay submitter, what do you expect from a Texas representative?

      I would expect them to gut any science funding, mandate religion into school to be taught as science, and to cut taxes on the rich. Oh, and to require giant "homecoming moms" in every high school.

      http://yestotexas.com/12-thing...

      http://yestotexas.com/ - all you need to know about Taxes

    3. Re:Texas representative? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      Actually, given that Texas has a lot of space industry in Houston, and high tech industry in Austin, and would benefit from more space exploration . . . that is exactly what I would expect from a Texas representative.

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    4. Re:Texas representative? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the fact that you're not accurate, will cause you to a) re-evaluate your prejudices, or b) double down on them and look for something nefarious behind it?

    5. Re:Texas representative? by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 4, Informative

      Culberson's enthusiasm for space exploration goes far beyond what would be expected from a Texas representative

      Okay submitter, what do you expect from a Texas representative?

      Well, Louie Gohmert is at best eccentric and at worst stupid beyond belief. The fact that he keeps getting re-elected really says a lot about the voters in his district. Do a search on his name plus the words "terror babies" for one of his most, ahem, "interesting" fears. He's never gotten less than 61% of the vote while running for Congress.

      Ron Paul is about as crazy as they come, unless you're a Libertarian, in which case he makes perfect sense and everybody else is insane. He's not a current member of Congress, but he inflicted his idiocy on D.C. for years. He didn't lose re-election - he simply retired or else he'd still be promoting his wacko ideas in DC today.

      Sheila Jackson Lee is infamous for her use of staffers to do personal errands for her. One staffer was told by his doctor to quit or he would die from the stress. She has proposed more failed legislation than any current member of Congress according to one source. She's been in the top 3 every year in a poll of the meanest members of Congress to work for.

      These are just a few of the "distinguished" representatives from Texas.

    6. Re:Texas representative? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Let's keep the offensive stereotypes alive. After all, it's OK when we do it, but wrong when they do it. We have always been allied with Eurasia.

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    7. Re:Texas representative? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      Criticizing Sheila Jackson Lee is racist. You're a racist, and this makes everything you say invalid.

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      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    8. Re:Texas representative? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pelosi, Rangel and Grayson keep getting elected, and they're all either corrupt, inept or ferociously unfriendly. What's your point? My point is that it's ignorant on both a philosophical and practical level to think Texas doesn't care about spaceflight: Texas just courted SpaceX to build a launch site, it's the second largest state by population with several high-tech centers, and Clear Lake City (now a part of Houston) is one of the epicenter of spaceflight culture alongside the Cape and JPL

    9. Re:Texas representative? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is more ammunition for you

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7Q8UvJ1wvk

    10. Re:Texas representative? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Criticizing Sheila Jackson Lee is racist. You're a racist, and this makes everything you say invalid.

      I have done actual paid work at her bidding. That organism is all the things GP said.

      I'm pretty sure you were being facetious, but I wanted to make sure the record was straight. (Posting anonymously for hopefully obvious reasons.)

  14. Re: Unnecessary. by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

    I can only hope this is some attempt at a double whoosh, but it seems more likely you're simply an idiot. The post was obviously being sarcastic.

  15. Re:"And I have other sheep that are not of this fl by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

    More people responding seriously to sarcastic trollbait?

  16. With SLS Probably Still Nominally Zero by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 2

    As long as they're going to rely upon the SLS--which in its own right has a near zero probability of surviving Congress--this mission will still never get off the ground.

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    Two of my imaginary friends reproduced once ... with negative results.
  17. Re: Unnecessary. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    And neither does it say "Whoosh" in the Good Book.

  18. Europa by pr0nbot · · Score: 3, Funny

    Don't worry... the Republicans will veto this for fear of finding yet more Europeans.

    1. Re:Europa by halivar · · Score: 1

      Well, by God, we're gonna plant a flag on it and call it Freedoma.

  19. Republicans are good for NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When Republicans are in office NASA usually does better then when Democrats are in office. Republicans aren't all that thrilled with science, some aren't even sure what science is and they really don't like NASA that much, NASA does better because Republicans are usually from states that have NASA centers and so their representatives work hard to get money for their districts. NASA gets the money that goes to the centers which in turn goes to the private industry hired to do the work for the NASA centers. And in turn those private industries give big campaign contributions to the Republican candidates.

    1. Re:Republicans are good for NASA by tomhath · · Score: 0

      Ignoring your nonsense statements about what Republicans think or know, bringing pork home is practiced by both parties. And Democrats have as many, if not more big campaign contributors.

    2. Re:Republicans are good for NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Democrats have as many, if not more big campaign contributors.

      [citation needed]

      By my research, billionaires gave more to Republicans than Democrats this year. If you have other, credible data please show it.

    3. Re:Republicans are good for NASA by JeffAtl · · Score: 1

      You will need to define what you mean by "big money" as it seems like you're already engaged in moving the goalposts.

      To be clear, a billionaire that gives two thousand dollars doesn't count as big money.

    4. Re:Republicans are good for NASA by tomhath · · Score: 1

      It's also very difficult to know how much Democrats are getting from billionaires like George Soros, most of his money flows through 527 groups that are designed to hide where the money comes from.

  20. it's life, Jim by thrig · · Score: 1

    There is alien life. I believe they are called "Hungarians."

    1. Re:it's life, Jim by sconeu · · Score: 2

      The problem with them, though, is that they will not buy tobacconists, because they are scratched. Plus, their hovercrafts are full of eels.

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      General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
  21. The Republicans refuse to fund anything by guanxi · · Score: 2

    The Republican Party, especially in the House, refuses to fund anything. They sometimes fail to pay government workers and barely avoided defaulting on our debt. The military and CDC can't get funding; It's very hard to imagine this will.

    1. Re:The Republicans refuse to fund anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hard to fund good stuff when all the money you want to spend on nonessentials has to be borrowed from China.