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Interviews: Adora Svitak Answers Your Questions
Recently, you had a chance to ask child prodigy, author and activist, Adora Svitak, about education and women In STEM and politics. Below you'll find her answers to your questions.
Question
by phantomfive
In your talk you said that kids deserve high expectations. What help do you have to reach your high expectations? What should kids do who don't have the same help?
Adora: A lot of people will say things like "kids this young aren't mature enough to handle this kind of content," with "this kind of content" meaning anything serious or controversial. Since I was a young age, my parents didn't tolerate that kind of closed-mindedness about what their daughters could or couldn't "handle"; they invited us to sit at the "adults' table," and we had the opportunity to discuss current events with family friends. They expected that our age wouldn't preclude us from developing opinions and having causes we believed in. Kids in families with more conservative definitions of what it means to be a child should find high expectations from other places--teachers, mentors, role models--and give those high expectations in turn to peers.
Child prodigies
by Anonymous Coward
To what extent do you believe child prodigies are merely products of their environment?
Adora: To clarify, I've never thought of myself as a child prodigy (contrary to how my Wikipedia page might describe me). I think that everyone's a little bit a product of their environment. My environment happened to be saturated in good literature; I remember having many, many more books than clothes. My parents and babysitters read to my sister and me all the time. I loved writing and found it to be intuitive. In that sense I credit a lot of the development of my abilities to my environment.
Microaggressions
by Kohath
Do you believe in microaggressions? Why or why not? Is a belief in microaggressions helpful or harmful? To whom is it helpful? Who should worry about microaggressions? Who shouldn't? How can someone be certain they are innocent of committing microaggressions? If someone is accused of something like committing microaggressions, are there two sides that must be considered, or only one?
Adora: I never heard of microaggressions as something to be "believed" in or not, I take it fairly for granted that they exist (particularly since I've seen them). There's a great video on YouTube called If Asians Said the Stuff White People Say that does an excellent job of outlining some of the ones folks hear every day. As someone who's half-white, half-Asian (and looks predominantly Asian) I often hear questions like "where are you from? Like, where are your parents from?" Knowing about microaggressions is very helpful, because it allows us to avoid accidentally perpetuating racist or sexist commentary. If someone is accused of committing microaggressions, it's entirely possible that there intentions were good and something hurtful was said accidentally, but that doesn't negate their responsibility to hear the offended party's response so they know how to avoid microaggressions next time.
I Don't Get It
by Tablizer
After seeing my development job outsourced to India in the early 2000's during an IT slump, I have no compulsion to steer my daughter into STEM. I hope she finds a career that she grows into and does well, STEM or not. STEM is in demand at this spot in history, but I've learned the hard way it's subject to fads, bubbles, age discrimination, H1B's, and outsourcing. Please tell me, why push women into such risk? I suspect it's lobbyists trying to get cheaper IT labor for their plutocrat bosses by flooding the market. Feel welcome to convince me otherwise.
Adora: STEM (science, technology, engineering, and math) is an extraordinarily broad set of disciplines, and like any set of disciplines, has some areas with more job opportunities and some with less. It's not inherently more risky than any other group of fields to study. Women are no less equipped to handle the "risk" that comes with STEM.
What can be done to get more women into CS?
by squisher
Hi, I'm the "typical" white male in CS gradschool. My subjective view is that CS has one of the lowest number of women compared to other STEM disciplines. I'd estimate that typically there are about 5% tops in classes or at conferences. For various reasons I think that this situation is a shame for the community and society as a whole. What do you think can be done to improve this? Thanks!
Adora: The low numbers of women in STEM should be considered a national shame. One huge problem that prevents more women from either going into CS or continuing with it is "brogramming" culture, especially in Silicon Valley startups, that promotes a macho, objectifying attitude toward women that puts "bros before hoes" (see: ousting of Whitney Wolfe from Tinder after she was harassed by another co-founder there, or Uber's CEO threatening a female journalist) and creates toxic workplace cultures. We need more programs like Girls Who Code and Black Girls Code to give young women a leg up in a supportive environment.
Happy thoughts
by Anonymous Coward
Hi Adora! Looking through any debate on gender issues is somewhat demoralizing, as there seems to be little focus on resolving the underlying issues. What do you think could be done to help people cooperate rather than yelling at each other?
Adora: Creating more opportunities for traditionally underrepresented groups to have their voices heard is incredibly important. Another thing I really like is the idea of "safe space," where groups can talk freely in the knowledge that what they say will not be used against them in any way.
Did TV make us do it?
by mrex
How much credence to you give to the theory recently put forward in a recent NPR Planet Money piece, ascribing the absence of women specifically in the computing industry to 1980s media representation of geeks and computer worker lifestyles?
Adora: My answer to this question is strongly related to my answer to the previous question about bringing more women into CS. I feel that the stereotype of CS as the domain of pasty geeks sitting around laptops in basements is honestly less harmful to the future of women in CS than the implicit or explicit discouragement of young women from entering industry that happens because of insensitive/sexist comments by professors or folks in the work world.
by phantomfive
In your talk you said that kids deserve high expectations. What help do you have to reach your high expectations? What should kids do who don't have the same help?
Adora: A lot of people will say things like "kids this young aren't mature enough to handle this kind of content," with "this kind of content" meaning anything serious or controversial. Since I was a young age, my parents didn't tolerate that kind of closed-mindedness about what their daughters could or couldn't "handle"; they invited us to sit at the "adults' table," and we had the opportunity to discuss current events with family friends. They expected that our age wouldn't preclude us from developing opinions and having causes we believed in. Kids in families with more conservative definitions of what it means to be a child should find high expectations from other places--teachers, mentors, role models--and give those high expectations in turn to peers.
Child prodigies
by Anonymous Coward
To what extent do you believe child prodigies are merely products of their environment?
Adora: To clarify, I've never thought of myself as a child prodigy (contrary to how my Wikipedia page might describe me). I think that everyone's a little bit a product of their environment. My environment happened to be saturated in good literature; I remember having many, many more books than clothes. My parents and babysitters read to my sister and me all the time. I loved writing and found it to be intuitive. In that sense I credit a lot of the development of my abilities to my environment.
Microaggressions
by Kohath
Do you believe in microaggressions? Why or why not? Is a belief in microaggressions helpful or harmful? To whom is it helpful? Who should worry about microaggressions? Who shouldn't? How can someone be certain they are innocent of committing microaggressions? If someone is accused of something like committing microaggressions, are there two sides that must be considered, or only one?
Adora: I never heard of microaggressions as something to be "believed" in or not, I take it fairly for granted that they exist (particularly since I've seen them). There's a great video on YouTube called If Asians Said the Stuff White People Say that does an excellent job of outlining some of the ones folks hear every day. As someone who's half-white, half-Asian (and looks predominantly Asian) I often hear questions like "where are you from? Like, where are your parents from?" Knowing about microaggressions is very helpful, because it allows us to avoid accidentally perpetuating racist or sexist commentary. If someone is accused of committing microaggressions, it's entirely possible that there intentions were good and something hurtful was said accidentally, but that doesn't negate their responsibility to hear the offended party's response so they know how to avoid microaggressions next time.
I Don't Get It
by Tablizer
After seeing my development job outsourced to India in the early 2000's during an IT slump, I have no compulsion to steer my daughter into STEM. I hope she finds a career that she grows into and does well, STEM or not. STEM is in demand at this spot in history, but I've learned the hard way it's subject to fads, bubbles, age discrimination, H1B's, and outsourcing. Please tell me, why push women into such risk? I suspect it's lobbyists trying to get cheaper IT labor for their plutocrat bosses by flooding the market. Feel welcome to convince me otherwise.
Adora: STEM (science, technology, engineering, and math) is an extraordinarily broad set of disciplines, and like any set of disciplines, has some areas with more job opportunities and some with less. It's not inherently more risky than any other group of fields to study. Women are no less equipped to handle the "risk" that comes with STEM.
What can be done to get more women into CS?
by squisher
Hi, I'm the "typical" white male in CS gradschool. My subjective view is that CS has one of the lowest number of women compared to other STEM disciplines. I'd estimate that typically there are about 5% tops in classes or at conferences. For various reasons I think that this situation is a shame for the community and society as a whole. What do you think can be done to improve this? Thanks!
Adora: The low numbers of women in STEM should be considered a national shame. One huge problem that prevents more women from either going into CS or continuing with it is "brogramming" culture, especially in Silicon Valley startups, that promotes a macho, objectifying attitude toward women that puts "bros before hoes" (see: ousting of Whitney Wolfe from Tinder after she was harassed by another co-founder there, or Uber's CEO threatening a female journalist) and creates toxic workplace cultures. We need more programs like Girls Who Code and Black Girls Code to give young women a leg up in a supportive environment.
Happy thoughts
by Anonymous Coward
Hi Adora! Looking through any debate on gender issues is somewhat demoralizing, as there seems to be little focus on resolving the underlying issues. What do you think could be done to help people cooperate rather than yelling at each other?
Adora: Creating more opportunities for traditionally underrepresented groups to have their voices heard is incredibly important. Another thing I really like is the idea of "safe space," where groups can talk freely in the knowledge that what they say will not be used against them in any way.
Did TV make us do it?
by mrex
How much credence to you give to the theory recently put forward in a recent NPR Planet Money piece, ascribing the absence of women specifically in the computing industry to 1980s media representation of geeks and computer worker lifestyles?
Adora: My answer to this question is strongly related to my answer to the previous question about bringing more women into CS. I feel that the stereotype of CS as the domain of pasty geeks sitting around laptops in basements is honestly less harmful to the future of women in CS than the implicit or explicit discouragement of young women from entering industry that happens because of insensitive/sexist comments by professors or folks in the work world.
I think that everyone's a little bit a product of their environment. My environment happened to be saturated in good literature; I remember having many, many more books than clothes.
Think of this when you buy your kid video games.
You will never see any prodigy say, "I played video games all the time."; for the same reason you have never seen a prodigy say, " I watch TV all the time."
As someone who's half-white, half-Asian (and looks predominantly Asian) I often hear questions like "where are you from? Like, where are your parents from?"
I'm not sure I see this as a 'micro-agression.' Or aggression at all, it's just a question. People ask me where my ancestors came from, and I tell them Scotland and Finland. No big deal. It's pretty clear I'm not native american.
Sometimes I also get asked where I grew up. I tell them. Nosy people. If you don't want people to be curious about details in your life, that's kind of anti-social.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
I answered that in the run-up discussion: Stop blaming one party. I used to welcome more women in CS and IT. I've worked with women, women have asked me for advice, etc. I'm firmly opposed to efforts to increase the percentage of women now, because quite frankly, if the only way to get more women into IT is to blame the men, then women can go to hell, for all I care. You think IT is a toxic environment for women now? Keep up that blaming strategy and see what that will do.
I am interested.
Then people started posting flashing gifs on the epilepsy support forum and it all went downhill from there.
The current politically correct method of declaring something politically incorrect.
"Where are you from?" is normally a question associated with getting to know someone. It's a conversation starter, not a personal attack on it's own. Today, you can't even ask the question and be politically correct. Sad state of affairs.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
What an insensitive clod!!
not b/c I necessarily disagree w/her, b/c she's only remotely qualified to speak to the 1st two questions. wtf cares what a 17 yr old of any gender, ethnicity, iq, etc thinks about the risk of stem as a career?!? I'll admit I never heard of her before but reading her bio I notice a conspicuous absence of git commits... if huff, jezebel, etc want to let her preach to their respective choirs that's their business but letting her address the majority of these ?s on /. makes about as much sense as giving Stephen Hawking a Heisman vote (or the Simpsons episode where Lenny asked Maya Angelou about the B2 instead of Tom Clancey)...
again, I don't say this to trash her opinions per se, just lamenting the wasted opportunity for unique insight that was tossed aside for yet another parroting of the average fresm- excuse me, "person" woman's studies major...
I found this interesting, from her Wikipedia page.
Adora Lily Svitak (born October 15, 1997) is an American child prodigy, activist, and internationally published[1] author, known for her essays, stories, poems, blogs, full-length books, and advocacy work.
Not listed: Anything having to do with STEM. If she's so interested in getting women to do STEM stuff, why not start with herself?
if nobody sets a floor below which the response is "grow up!" then how does it not become a race to the bottom of who can express the most outrage over the least unintentional provocation? (b/c it sure looks like that's exactly what's going on)
First of all, this is the first time I've encountered this term, and find it rather interesting.
To me it seems apparent that people interacting are bound to occasionally cause discomfort to one another in unintended ways. We'll leave out intentional aggressive behaviors, which seem to be a different topic. The ideal as I see it is not to eliminate this feature of human interaction, but to discover appropriate responses to it on both sides.
Being offended is at some level involuntary, I think, although one can certainly get carried away with it. There should be ways to respond to it that encourage learning and accord rather than evoking defensive posturing.
Likewise, having caused unintended offense and having it brought to one's attention will inevitably produce some level of defensiveness. Again, it's easy to get carried away with the defensive response. There should, again, be ways to accept and grow from the experience rather than turning it into worse offense and deeper divides.
Perhaps learning to care about the feelings of the people you encounter at least as much as protecting your own feelings is the key. On both sides.
Otherwise, get off of my lawn.
Please.
WALSTIB!
I stopped reading at 'micro aggressions'. That shit is tumblr style delusion.
As far as I'm concerned, if she is as smart as claimed was able to meet the demands of the jobs she's had, then that's great. That's how it's supposed to work. However, it sounds like she's lobbying for affirmative action which is the opposite. Thumbs down for that.
This PVP comic is a nice illustration.
Is a 17 year old girl who has never worked in STEM.
We're just supposed to feel bad for being men, right? Maybe we could give her another TED talk and she can talk about he struggles and disadvantages some more.
All the answers looks like they are copy pasted from some social science text book, not from the thought process of a well knowledgeable individual. No imprints of self evoked thoughts. The way this person mentions geeks or geek culture is ridiculous. No issues when she paints geeks as pasty, masochist, etc. looks ridiculous as heck. Is this person working for Anita Whatevers ? And no, few women in STEM is not a national shame, if you happens to listen to some political drivel. Get into real world from your posh entitled glass floor.