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Librarians: The Google Before Google
An anonymous reader writes NPR has an article about the questions people ask librarians. Before the internet, the librarian was your best bet for a quick answer to anything on your mind. "We were Google before Google existed," NYPL spokesperson Angela Montefinise explains. "If you wanted to know if a poisonous snake dies if it bites itself, you'd call or visit us." The New York Public Library in Manhattan recently discovered a box of old reference questions asked by patrons and plans to release some in its Instagram account. Here are a few of the best:
- I just saw a mouse in the kitchen. Is DDT OK to use? (1946)
- What does it mean when you dream of being chased by an elephant? (1947)
- Can you tell me the thickness of a U.S. Postage stamp with the glue on it? Answer: We couldn't tell you that answer quickly. Why don't you try the Post Office? Response: This is the Post Office. (1963)
- Where can I rent a beagle for hunting? (1963)
They were a lot better looking than the Google guys, too.
"How do I hide a dead body?"
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
It doesn't need to be. It's still a history lesson. Not many young people would know that in the past you'd actually call a library to ask them questions. Heck, I'm 30 and I would have never considered calling them!
Library Science was and is a true profession with a true college degree.
So is Hotel Management, now sometimes known as Hospitality and Hotel Management.
Kriston
> Can you tell me the thickness of a U.S. Postage stamp with the glue on it?
A: Get a pile of stamp sheets, measure the height, and do a calculation. (You did go to school, didn't you.)
Looking at space, radio, science and computing from a 'down-under' amateur enthusiast perspective.
You're posting as AC, so why not just type the full word "bullshit"? It's not like your post is going to get censored on Slashdot.
You should beware the library and its librarians if you visit Night Vale: they are quite dangerous!
http://nightvale.wikia.com/wik...
Actually, before Google, Altavista was probably the most important search engine... and before that, either others, or several equally... and when I was originally introduced to the WWW, in 1994 or '95, 'Yahoo!' was mentioned as the main search engine. Actually, before Google, Altavista was probably the most important search engine... and before that, either others, or several equally... and when I was originally introduced to the WWW, in 1994 or '95, 'Yahoo!' was mentioned as the main search engine.
Sorry for the duplication. For some reason Slashdot is forcing white text in a white box, and I did not see what happened.
Geez I'm even older and I never did that. Encyclopaedia Britannica + Yellow Pages + BBS.
Mostly random stuff.
accurate depiction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuOBzWF0Aws
I'd be in a cube farm with maybe 15 linear feet of shelf space, not counting deskspace. In addition I had a bookcase. All were filled with tech manuals. You had to play games with the reps, convince them you needed their book of datasheets to do your job. Back then my shelves were full of books of datasheets, maybe 3-4 books like Code Complete, or Programming and Principles of C++.
I've still got my Mick and Brick book on bit slice programming, and wish I'd hung on to my TI book on the 74xx chips.
Everything now is google and download a PDF, or the vendor sends me an email attachment with the caveat I don't share it with anyone under penalty of 6 years of bad breath.
What does it mean when you dream of being chased by an elephant?
That you're Hillary Clinton running for President in 2016.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Browsing porn was a good way to avoid viruses . . . although you generally couldn't search for it at the public library librarians have no sense of humor.
I'm over 40 and while in junior HS my friends and I who couldn't yet drive and didn't have convenient public transit to the library would make a friendly game of calling the librarian on duty in our town's library. We might, once a week, when it would have been slow, think of an aspect of a topic about which we were arguing or a subject we were attempting to understand, and IFF it would require a smart person who knew how to research fewer than five minutes we'd call. Part of the fun was having a public servant almost magically come back with an answer.
They were mostly smart and skilled at what they did. It was even more fun when they said in a surprised tone, "that's a really good question. I'll try to find out." Of course, sometimes they would come back with some information about the reference material and say it wasn't clear that the authors agreed on an answer. Sometimes they couldn't find anything. As often as not they had pretty useful information.
It doesn't need to be. It's still a history lesson. Not many young people would know that in the past you'd actually call a library to ask them questions. Heck, I'm 30 and I would have never considered calling them!
Of course only before the 70s did they actually answer the phone. Then came the tape players that just played a recording of the library hours.
This is an actual book, you can follow the guy's instagram or you can just buy the book. I had the 1993 edition (thanks, Scholastic Books!) in elementary school and it was basically google-lite, especially for a kid in a town of 10,000 and > bicycling distance from a major city with a Real Library (back when those mattered).
Old editions (1990's-early 2000's) of the The New York Public Library Desk Reference go for the cost of shipping.
It's a huge tome of information, roughly 8x10" pages and 500-600 pages of them, a couple inches thick. Many rainy saturdays were enlightened as a kid waiting for dilbert cartoons to load via dialup.
moox. for a new generation.
B.S.
I am an "old guy" and in "my day" (don't you love these geezer expressions?) the library was all there was. If you lived in a big city the amount of information and knowledge available to you was much greater than if you lived in a small town with a small library. Up to date reference books? Most of them were a decade or more old.
It all had a certain quaint charm to it--- I always loved visiting the library--- but it was unbelievably ineffective. It is so much better today, when incredible amounts of information and knowledge are available to just about anyone, anywhere. And if you want an honest to goodness up to date reference book, Amazon and the Amazon marketplace will have it and can get it to you quickly, and, at least much of the time, affordabley.
(As alluded to in posts above, sometimes too much --- sorting through the chaff is the issue now.)
Where can I rent a beagle for hunting? (1963)
Try http://huntingbeagle.gotop100.... (2014)
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I don't know about calling the library, but when I was a kid, we'd call 411 and ask questions. They were called "information".
"Freedom in the USA is not the ability to do what you want. It is the ability to stop others from doing what THEY want"
The surprisingly accurate dramatization of Google's takeover! (In three parts!)
http://youtu.be/nBT1oHGSeFc?t=...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
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Prisencolinensinainciusol. Ol Rait!
Poisonous snakes poison you when you eat them. Venomous snakes poison you when they bite you.
I hadn't the slightest objection to his spending his time planning massacres for the bourgeoisie... (P.G. Wodehouse)
Of course nowadays the question one-level-up from that might be "Where can I get a Sears & Roebuck catalog?" to which the answer is amazon.com, funny enough.
"You saved 1968." - Ms. Valerie Pringle to the crew of Apollo 8
... but calling librarians "the Google before Google" is like calling slippery mud "the wheel before the wheel".
There was a 24 hour library information service (800-Hoot-Owl) where you could call in any question and a reference librarian would give you an answer.
If they couldn't find the answer right away, they would take your number and call you back once they found it.
you would call your wife for an irrational answer on your random question
I spent childhood in a small town Shklov, Belarussia, where Internet became freely accessible just few years ago. People living there got used to ask their questions from the tiny local newspaper Udarny Front, which publish from time to time a column called "Questions from Readers".
Journalists working in the newspaper are taking care to answer these questions as good as they can, sometimes polling experts in the specific field. I think that this simple process still works, so in case you need something to know, you just post a question to a newspaper and then wait for a couple weeks to get an answer.
To be fair, you could also say that it's an insult to Librarians to claim Google is equivalent. I don't call doctor's the "The webmd before webmd" after all because there can be additional value in receiving an answer from someone knowledgeable over receiving data.
public libraries (and the real books they contain) are still awesome, and very much under appreciated by most of the government entities that fund them. visit your library, get a library card, and use it. libraries are the cornerstone of many neighborhoods and smaller communities around the country, and the world, and they still serve a valuable and irreplaceable purpose.
s/to dial/to dial to reach a librarian/
We asked very different things of librarians and Google.
Me to librarian (in the early 1980's): Where can I find a good book on sharks?
me to Google: +tentacle porn midget chocolate sauce -"val kilmer"
We're all geeks here, but it sounds like you had cool friends.
I had cool like minded friends too. I think we were lucky.
How about out them on a fucking website? Maybe the library's website? Why fucking Instagram? Enough of that shit already.
... i just made stuff up until it seemed rightish
A fun movie apropos of Librarians looking up stuff for people is Desk Set, starring Spencer Tracy and Katherine Hepburn. Hepburn's character demonstrates a remarkable memory for both answers and identifying sources of answers. Tracy is a company man coming in to evaluate her staff's operation to decide how to transition to automation with computers.
OFF-TOPIC...? Sad how one of Terry Pratchetts most beautiful characters is unknown on slashdot. But what can you expect on a Merkin site.
Paai
Wrong. Google and related search engines are better than librarians: they index and present information based on what you ask them. They don't KNOW anything about poisonous snakes or the thickness of stamps -- and neither did librarians. They just knew where to look to find it.
But now google purposely misunderstands words which makes searching for things difficult. Certain words have been given only the strictest meaning. I know that they say the purpose is to block child pornography, but there is no way to know what else is being blocked coincedentally or otherwise.
The reason it's special is because it was social. Had you worked prior to the internet being mainstream, you'd fully appreciate how going through your network of contacts and various venues for information can yield tremendous other contact and business opportunities.
Google may have simplified the process of locating information online, but at the same time it *decreased* the amount of social interactions, to a point where the typical 20-something youngster is scared sh*tless of picking up a phone to call someone.
Just one, you fucking faggot. Just one.
Well? I'm waiting.
Are you ready to admit you were full of shit?
:: taps foot ::
Well?