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Microsoft Researchers Use Light Beams To Charge Smartphones

angry tapir writes A group of Microsoft researchers has built a prototype charger for smartphones that can scan a room until it locates a mobile device compatible with the system and then charge the handset using a light beam. The researchers say they can achieve efficiency comparable to conventional wired phone chargers. The biggest barrier? Smartphones don't (yet) come with solar panels attached.

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  1. Comparable Efficiency ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Somehow I think they mean the case where the units of measure are the same not that the numbers are even remotely close. Just the overhead of operating the image processing system is going to make certain this is the case.

    1. Re:Comparable Efficiency ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe the system doesn't have a light source but uses mirrors, optic cables and sunlight?

    2. Re:Comparable Efficiency ? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      operating that would still take more juice than a conventional charger.

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    3. Re:Comparable Efficiency ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strange that I did not see your name in the article, so as such are basing this statement entirely on what little you know about their methodology.

    4. Re:Comparable Efficiency ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point, AC and Microsoft don't necessarily share the same laws of physics.

    5. Re:Comparable Efficiency ? by davester666 · · Score: 1

      But it's so hard to insert the plug into the phone. Hell, it's a pain just to place on the table with the wireless charger built in.

      It's way easier to come up with a rube goldberg contraption to determine the exact position of a phone in the room and then arrange for a light beam to strike the right part of the phone to make it charge. This way, you can just come into the room, and throw the phone anywhere, knowing that when you come back and search for it, it will be charged up.

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  2. It would be much more interesting... by ctrl-alt-canc · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...to zap smartphones with a beam of light whenever they are not properly silenced.

    1. Re:It would be much more interesting... by OzPeter · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...to zap smartphones with a beam of light whenever they are not properly silenced.

      Screw zapping the phone, the phone doesn't know any better. Zap the user instead.

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    2. Re: It would be much more interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This notion I approve of.

  3. Unanswered questions by war4peace · · Score: 2

    1. Would infrared work just as well?
    2. What happens if the phone orientation is incorrect? Light beam reaches its side or the phone lies face-up.
    3. What happens if multiple phones are detected?
    4. What happens if the phone is turned off?

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    1. Re:Unanswered questions by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      1. Higher wavelengths have higher energy. So IR would be worse than visible light.
      2. Bad luck
      3. Could be configurable (or vary in differnt products based on this tech) Either a charching device with multiple beams, round robin or first come first served
      4. Your phone gets a big entrance in the spotlight.

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    2. Re:Unanswered questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. I'm not an expert, but I assume if they're using visible light, they have good reason to do so. The article mentions that wavelengths on the infrared side are too inefficient, and I assume anything on the ultraviolet side is too dangerous to point around in a room full of meatbags.

      2. If the phone isn't oriented in the right way, it wouldn't charge, obviously. If you had such a phone you would simply have to maintain the presence of mind to orient your phone so that it can charge, if that's what you want. The article mentions a PV skin for the front screen, as well as a PV panel on the backside, so it would likely be able to charge whether it was face up or face down. Of course, the big hurdle here is miniaturizing PV technology so that it is efficient enough for charging, and thin enough that it'll fit on a standard phone.

      3. Given what is in the article, only one will be charged at a time. You would need to install more chargers on your ceiling to have more phones charging. If the two are capable of talking - which a charged phone should be able to do, the phone could send its battery status when it detects the charging light on one of its PV cells.

      4. The article mentions that this is intended to be equivalent to a wall charger, so I assume if the phone is off or has a dead battery it will still charge, just like your phone would charge under those conditions and being plugged into a wall.

    3. Re:Unanswered questions by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      1. is irrelevant and wrong, rhe single ohotons have less energy, so you simply need more of them.
      We have 'solar panels' for IR that are far more efficient than we have normal solar panels for visible light.

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    4. Re:Unanswered questions by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      1. is irrelevant and wrong, the single photons have less energy, so you simply need more of them.
      We have 'solar panels' for IR that are far more efficient than we have normal solar panels for visible light.

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    5. Re:Unanswered questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      > Q: 1. Would infrared work just as well?
      >> A: 1. Higher wavelengths have higher energy. So IR would be worse than visible light.

      No. In order to achieve optimum efficiency, you need to choose a wavelength with an energy per photon just slightly above the bandgap for the photodiode. If you use a silicon photodiode, IR-light of app. 950nm would work best.

    6. Re:Unanswered questions by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Which means, that you have to create more of them. But I agree that you're right that the answer to this question depends on the characteristics of the panel.

      But to harvest IR, isn't the most common design to create heat and steam from sunlight and run that through conventional turbines? But that may be a matter of scale. A quick Google search didn't bring up any wavelength efficiencies, so I'm mostly making educated guesses here.

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    7. Re:Unanswered questions by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

      I imagine they are using visible light to make the demo look better.

      My charger delivers about an amp at 5V, are these goons really suggesting that they deploy a ~5W laser to charge phones around unprotected humans. Now do it in IR so they have absolutely no warning, just suddenly go blind from either a direct hit or a reflection. Really, what could possibly go wrong ?

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    8. Re:Unanswered questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      5. When can we strap this to a shark.

    9. Re:Unanswered questions by Hamsterdan · · Score: 1

      I just hope security is really good. A 5W laser is enough to set fire to many materials, I can only imagine something (or someone) using that to set a desk on fire.

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    10. Re:Unanswered questions by dabadab · · Score: 1

      Would infrared work just as well?

      Yes, it would, it's right there in the fine article.

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    11. Re:Unanswered questions by jandjmh · · Score: 1

      Used a mod point just because it is getting so rare to see technically knowledgeable comments around here. I wanted this to get noticed. AC is correct, silicon solar cells are at their best with wavelengths just a bit longer than visible. Same thing applies to LEDs. There are high power infrared LEDs that are better than 40% efficient at turning electrical energy into photons, and the last time I worked with them was over 20 years ago, so the state of the art may be even better now.

    12. Re:Unanswered questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Higher wavelengths have higher energy. So IR would be worse than visible light.

      I'm sure that lower wavelengths and thus higher frequencies have higher energy

    13. Re:Unanswered questions by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      There was an article on /. about that technology, but with a missleading title ofc. so we can not really google for it. (something like: new break through in PV makes nearly 100% efficiency possible)

      A guy in a university is building such IR PV devices to harvest the heat energy combustion engines are radiating. The efficiency of them was very high, around 80% if I recall correctly.

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  4. Another solution looking for a problem. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

    If the charger can see your phone, it's not in your pocket or purse. So if you're not carrying it around, just stick it on a window ledge (for a much shorter time) or under an incandescent light source (we still have them, eh?)

    This also would not be for use outside the home - leaving it hang around to charge is a good way to lose it. Chargers are cheap - bring one to the office and everyone will love you when their phone is dying :-)

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    1. Re:Another solution looking for a problem. by swillden · · Score: 1

      If the charger can see your phone, it's not in your pocket or purse. So if you're not carrying it around, just stick it on a window ledge (for a much shorter time) or under an incandescent light source (we still have them, eh?)

      Phone-sized PV cells, when provided broad-frequency light of typical ambient intensities, even full sunlight, produce very little output. That wouldn't charge your phone very quickly. With, for example, LTE radios on, it's unlikely it would even maintain the charge.

      If this system works, it's because they're aiming light of an intensity and frequency optimized for getting maximum power out of the PV cells. That's also the only way they could hope to get efficiencies anywhere near that of wired charging, even considering the rather low efficiency of your typical wall wart.

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    2. Re:Another solution looking for a problem. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Easier to just leave a spare charger hanging around.

      The LED used is 2200 lumens, which is about the same as a 150 watt lightbulb. Whereas the light bulb spreads its light everywhere, this is concentrated into a small beam. So, do not look at charger with remaining good eye.

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    3. Re:Another solution looking for a problem. by swillden · · Score: 1

      Easier to just leave a spare charger hanging around.

      That I can't agree with. The beauty of a long-range wireless charger isn't eliminating the effort of having to walk to another room to plug in, and it isn't even to eliminate the effort of having to plug the cord into the device. The real value is in eliminating the effort of paying attention to charge state or making decisions about when to plug in. Given an effective long-range wireless charger of the sort that these researchers are attempting to build, your devices would just always be fully charged whenever you spend significant time at home or in the office.

      I see a lot of value in a good solution to this problem.

      Also, it's worth noting that more efficient devices and/or more energy density in batteries don't solve the problem, and in fact some ways they make it worse, at least for me. I had much more trouble with my phone battery dying when I needed it back when a charge lasted for a week than I do now that it only lasts a day, precisely because with a week-long battery I had to put more thought into when to charge it. With a day-long charge the thought required is limited to remembering to plug it in when I go to bed.

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    4. Re:Another solution looking for a problem. by Solandri · · Score: 1

      If the charger can see your phone, it's not in your pocket or purse.

      Obviously this is just a cover story for research into a laser designed to melt people's phones while in use. e.g. if they don't put them away in a theater when the movie starts, or kids who won't put their phone away while in class.

    5. Re:Another solution looking for a problem. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      I guess that's just another example of smart devices making us dumber :-(

      If you leave a charger at the office, it's not too hard to plug the phone in when you get there, or after lunch for a few hours. Solution cost is $10 or less. Same as buying a second adapter for your laptop and leaving it at the office - solution cost is around $40. Simple solutions that work, and when you go on vacation, bring your office adapters with you and even if you lose or forget them, it's not a big deal because you have one at home.

      And of course, if your phone is buried under paperwork or you've tossed a sweater on it, it can still charge.

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    6. Re:Another solution looking for a problem. by swillden · · Score: 1

      Lack of adapters has never been my problem.

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  5. What they need by Chrisq · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is "a laser capable of emitting a beam of pure anti-matter".

    1. Re:What they need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Is "a laser capable of emitting a beam of pure anti-matter".

      Great Scott!

    2. Re:What they need by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      But to do that you need to reverse the polarity of the warp core and reroute through the main deflector dish. And we haven't even invented the warp drive or deflector technology yet. However charging cell phones wirelessly is the first valid need for such tech, so we at last have motivation to start working on it.

    3. Re:What they need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then it's not really a laser, is it Riff-raff?

    4. Re:What they need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Frank-n-furter: Wait! I can explain!
      Audience: This had better be good - you got shot the last time I saw this movie!

    5. Re:What they need by fgouget · · Score: 1

      Is "a laser capable of emitting a beam of pure anti-matter".

      Photons are their own antiparticle so that part is easy. However, being massless photons are hardly matter.

  6. Sound's like fun for other uses by dingleberrie · · Score: 1

    And he said: "Phone, Where art thou?".
    Whereupon a light emerged; shining upon it like a divine revelation.
    And he saw that it was charging.

  7. Caution: do not charge remaining eye by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

    http://cdn.computerworld.com.a...

    That's the sort of thing one of my bosses would draw up in two minutes and say "See? Only eight boxes. It's easy. Now you go and make it work in half a day."

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    1. Re:Caution: do not charge remaining eye by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 2

      You could get it down to one box labelled "Charge all smartphones in room". See? Super-easy!

    2. Re:Caution: do not charge remaining eye by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      Especially "Is a smartphone detected?".

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  8. Comparable efficiency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How ~70% efficiency is comparable to 4% efficiency.
    I guess what they meant was time to charge.

  9. Not new, but will require quite a bit of work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I remember experimenting with wireless energy transfer with light back in my high school tech lab, so its not exactly a new idea. The emitter box was about the size of a 20 oz pop bottle sent a red laser into a receiver that that was about the size of a deck of cards. But with more up to date technology and some ingenuity they might be able to make it work for handheld devices. Despite the article I don't think solar panels on phones are the way to go, a very tight beam into a very small receiver (think about something similar to a second "camera lens" on your phone)is what my experience with the technology has been.

  10. For the security nuts.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The charger constantly rotates its camera and takes pictures until it finds a phone.

  11. great by Virtucon · · Score: 1

    now airports will be crowed with people holding their phones up to lights instead of trying to scrounge every available outlet in the place to charge their phones. Imagine everybody with their arms raised.

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  12. Not as efficient: TFS is wrong by hackertourist · · Score: 2

    TFA says: "Using a light beam to charge a smartphone could be as quick as many wired chargers, the researchers found, depending on the size of the PV panel."

    Efficiency is going to depend on the efficiency of the PV panel in the phone, but at 20% it's a long way off from the efficiency of a wired charger.

    The lengths to which people will go to avoid plugging in a wire still amaze me.

  13. Silly MS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems Microsoft fired the wrong people from the research department in the recent HR clean out.

  14. Can some one explain the efficiency claims? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

    IMHO it is impossible to even come close to the efficinecy of a wire.
    With transformation losses and heat etc. the wire is still certainly above 85% efficiency.
    On the other hand, creating light is already below or at 85% efficiency and transforming it back to current with the very best 'solar cells' is at 48%. So bottom line we are minimum below 42%. That is less than half of the efficiency of a wire, without counting any further losses after the solar panel.

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    1. Re:Can some one explain the efficiency claims? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course the efficiency claims can be explained: the reporters are ignorant typewriter monkeys who don't understand the research and garbled what they were told. In short, business as usual.

    2. Re:Can some one explain the efficiency claims? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except with wires, you already have all the losses associated with the power grid, the losses associated with charging the battery. Now you're adding on a "convert to light" and a "convert back to electricity" (this step might generously be slated at 60%) step. I'm guessing they are looking at total losses of charging the battery with wires and comparing them to total losses of just the solar panel array.

    3. Re:Can some one explain the efficiency claims? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is already a conversion taking place in current wired chargers. That little black box you plug into the wall contains a transformer that converts the AC voltage in your house wiring into DC which charges your phone. While this process can be quite efficient (80-90%) most of the cheap chargers that come with phones aren't nearly that efficient (20-75% is more normal). While a wireless charger is never going to top the 80-90% efficiencies it is quite possible that it could top the efficiencies of your average wall charger and having a standardized single charging device would eliminate all of the "vampire" draws of multiple wall transformers throughout a room (phone, tablet, etc).

    4. Re:Can some one explain the efficiency claims? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if the solar cells on the phone are 4ft by 6ft @35watts.

    5. Re:Can some one explain the efficiency claims? by dabadab · · Score: 1

      The most easiest way to explain is that it is made up by the submitter: this claim is not present in the linked article.

      What IS there is the following:
      "Using a light beam to charge a smartphone could be as quick as many wired chargers, the researchers found, depending on the size of the PV panel."

      It is certainly true, however, the best panels being rated at about 190 W/m2 max output you would need a PV panel about three time the size of an iPhone6 to charge it as fast as its wired charger does (or six times the size if you want to match a 2 amp charger's speed) - all of it presuming ideal conditions.

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  15. Can some one explain the efficiency claims? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your average solar cells have to cope with a wide array of incoming EM radiation to create their electricity, such a devices receiver (either panels or other) would presumably be tuned specifically to the emitters (light or laser) wavelengths. That should allow for much more efficient energy transfer.

  16. You don't have a three year old by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

    Shatter resistant glass and the proper cases make our electronics almost completely preschooler proof. However if the thing is plugged into the wall and they want to move it, the charging cable does not come out in any way that could possibly be called gentle. The Qi chargers look great on TV except that they can't charge through the protective cases. Why in the world they don't put a conductive material in the case so that it could, I don't know. Magnetic plugs would seem to go a long way. I've heard rumor that they may get incorporated into the USB standard.

    1. Re:You don't have a three year old by CodeReign · · Score: 1

      The Qi chargers look great on TV except that they can't charge through the protective cases.

      Shouldn't. They can and my girl friend frequently does with hers but you shouldn't as it reduces efficiency and causes the case to become "warm".

      Really though I don't notice any difference between her charge and mine (I don't have case)

  17. Cables get lost at an incredible rate by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

    You can subscribe to groceries at Amazon. I travel regularly for business. Wish they could include two micro-USB cables with my food delivery. Fortunately, they are now for sale in most airports for around $20. Business people end up paying that price now and again. Leisure travelers walk around begging to borrow one.

  18. WOW, they discovered solar charging. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What will MS research do next? Maybe create an OS?

  19. Prototype? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This sounds like a first stage prototype, I highly doubt the final product (if there ever is one) will bother to use cameras which require a significant amount of processing and programming. I would imagine it would use infrared light pulses or something as a beacon on the device to be charged while the charger would use something akin to a sensor bar you would find on a Wii.

  20. Come on people, how hard is it really? by kheldan · · Score: 1

    Is it really so much of a brain-drain to plug your phone in to charge it everyday that we have to be wasting our time on stuff like this?

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  21. Come on people, how hard is it really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it really so much of a brain-drain to plug your phone in to charge it everyday that we have to be wasting our time on stuff like this?

    How about we just make the phones more efficient so we don't need to charge things so much in the first place. Remember when handheld devices ran for weeks on a pair of AAA batteries?

  22. spoof it by DriveDog · · Score: 1

    So if I put a picture of a phone on some other object, like the cat... ... and then program the indoor drone to attack the illuminated object... Seriously, just agree on a standard dock with conductive contacts that's easy to drop your phone on. How hard is that? The EU effectively made manufacturers agree on compatibility with microUSD.

    1. Re:spoof it by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      Hardly effective. Dongles are still allowed.

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  23. _comparable_ = less ...and that's bad by fygment · · Score: 1

    Want to decrease your carbon footprint in a sane, achievable fashion?
    Stop WASTING resources ... at all levels.
    And 'remote' charging is so wasteful the mind boggles that it is done merely in the name of convenience.

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