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Tracking System Bug Delays SpaceX's DSCOVR Launch

Posted by timothy on from the for-want-of-a-highly-sophisticated-tracking-system dept.

The SpaceX two-fer launch that was scheduled for today has been scrubbed. NBC News reports that the launch was postponed until Monday at the earliest due to a problem with the range-tracking system in Florida. That means an ambitious second attempt to land the Falcon 9 rocket's first stage on an oceangoing platform will also have to be delayed. ... Satellites such as the Advanced Composition Explorer and Solar and Heliospheric Observatory, which are already located at the L1 point, can provide up to an hour's warning of major storms. Both those satellites are well past their anticipated lifetimes, however, and DSCOVR is designed to provide a much-needed backup. SpaceX's two-stage Falcon 9 rocket will boost DSCOVR into a preliminary orbit, but it will take 110 days of in-space maneuvers to get the probe into the right position. This launch would mark the first time that SpaceX has sent a spacecraft so far, and it will be judged a success if DSCOVR reaches its intended orbit. The delayed launch could take place as soon as tomorrow (Monday) evening.

48 comments

  1. Just to be clear by rabbin · · Score: 1

    Just to be clear, the problem was purely on the Air Force's end, right? It didn't sound like Musk was saying that something malfunctioned with the launch vehicle itself.

    1. Re:Just to be clear by ShaunC · · Score: 5, Informative

      During the webcast, the product manager for Falcon kept referring to a telemetry problem on the SpaceX side that they needed to resolve before T -2:00. Somewhere around T -8:00, reports started showing up online that there was also an issue with the AF radar. The webcast never clarified what the telemetry issue was. Elon mentioned a "1st stage video transmitter (not needed for launch, but nice to have)." It sure sounded like they intended to scrub the launch if they hadn't fixed the telemetry problem by T -2:00, so either the video transmitter really was needed, or they had another problem.

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    2. Re:Just to be clear by Nutria · · Score: 1

      purely on the Air Force's end, right?

      Or NASA.

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    3. Re:Just to be clear by confused+one · · Score: 4, Informative

      One of the multiply redundant 1st stage telemetry radios on the vehicle was glitching. They will go ahead and swap it out before tomorrow's launch attempt..

    4. Re:Just to be clear by Teancum · · Score: 3, Informative

      The video transmitter was just something on the rocket so nice folks here on Slashdot and elsewhere can get pretty pictures of the 1st stage landing. It had nothing to do with the successfully launching this rocket, although it might have impacted what was seen on the webcast if the landing attempt was going on... assuming SpaceX doesn't mine showing video of the rocket falling into pieces again but this time from the perspective of the rocket as it is falling apart.

      The payload can be sent into space and meet 100% of the paid objectives without this telemetry working. It likely is a frequency conflict, or at the very least a secondary transmitter that isn't working properly as this link is only really needed after stage separation. Most other rocket launching companies treat spent 1st stages as trash to be randomly discarded in hopefully an unpopulated area and ignored afterward... but SpaceX intends to treat the 1st stage like a separate vehicle with its own mission objectives (mainly to land on the barge in once piece).

    5. Re:Just to be clear by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      That first stage camera is primarily to inform SpaceX, not us. Because a first-stage soft landing attempt os being made, they have a strong interest in knowing what happens.

    6. Re:Just to be clear by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      The fact they thought they could resolve the "telemetry problem" without access to the rocket, tells me it wasn't anything on the rocket. They said the rocket was healthy when they aborted the launch. I'm guessing they were having issues with the air-force radar long before the launch was scrubbed. I'm speculating it was providing suspicious data, and then suddenly no data at all. Perhaps they thought the radar system just needed to be restarted, and then it never came back online.

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    7. Re:Just to be clear by Teancum · · Score: 1

      Yes, I get that the cameras have utility as engineering diagnostics when things go very bad. The Shuttle and even the Saturn V had dozens of cameras at nearly every possible angle, and as the cameras got smaller there were even more that were stuffed onto the various devices... including the SRBs and even the external tank.

      As an engineer, you can pull out a whole lot of information about what is happening at each stage, especially if it is a high speed camera watching stuff that happens at launch... as that is when a lot of stuff can go bad. These other cameras are definitely useful to see if something goes wrong and try to get more information visually apart from some other electronic telemetry that sometimes doesn't tell the whole picture.

      I don't know where this particular camera is located at on the 1st stage though, but it is very possible to be located just above the grid fins to watch their performance as that was something which wasn't working properly on the last launch.

      The PR value is definitely there too though, and you can't deny that having pretty pictures to share with the public can be useful. I have no doubt that if things go smoothly (with likely a couple second delay preview before going to the public video feed) this landing will be seen during the launch too.

  2. And now Elon's thinking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Great, now I need to make my own Air Force with my own radar systems...

    1. Re:And now Elon's thinking... by confused+one · · Score: 1

      And now Elon's thinking... Great, now I need to make my own Air Force with my own radar systems...

      At the Texas launch site, will SpaceX be providing launch radar or will the Air Force?

    2. Re:And now Elon's thinking... by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      http://memegenerator.net/insta...

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    3. Re:And now Elon's thinking... by rwa2 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, the DSCOVR launch was originally scheduled for January, but the Air Force already delayed it by another week or two because "they wanted more insurance coverage for it"

      If something else happens, I call political shenanigans.

      (FULL DISCLOSURE: my FIL is the PM from the NASA GSFC side, and my son flew out to Cape Canaveral to watch the launch this weekend so we've been tracking this somewhat closely.)

    4. Re:And now Elon's thinking... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      At the Texas launch site, will SpaceX be providing launch radar or will the Air Force?

      SpaceX may build a local radar site for the launch site itself, but you can bet the Air Force will still be involved, since the launch trajectory for equatorial orbits crosses Florida. It's unlikely that purely FAA-run radars will be considered acceptable for covering rocket launches any time soon, if they ever are. Their mode of operation is such that they don't provide updates quickly enough to be useful during an orbital launch, and it doesn't seem likely that the FAA will want to change that.

      Nobody has yet been mad enough to suggest that a private company should have sole responsibility for tracking their own ICBM-ish vehicles.

    5. Re:And now Elon's thinking... by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 2

      you can bet the Air Force will still be involved, since the launch trajectory for equatorial orbits crosses Florida.

      By the time a Brownsville/Boca-Chica launch crosses the Florida peninsula, it will above 50km and not a range-safety issue. In fact, it'll be well after first stage separation, and may even be after second stage MECO.

      The USAF will routinely track it as they would any launcher, or ICBM or IRBM, launched by anyone, anywhere in the world, but that will have nothing to do with launch ops and will have no effect on SpaceX's decision to launch.

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  3. Collapse of the reality-distortion field by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe SpaceX finally out hipster'd itself?

  4. DSCOVR? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

    Why "DSCOVR"? That's even worst than an MS-DOS filename.

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    1. Re:DSCOVR? by msauve · · Score: 2

      It's a cousin to V'ger.

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    2. Re:DSCOVR? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      Not V-Giny?

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    3. Re:DSCOVR? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or is it Welsh? (wales)

    4. Re:DSCOVR? by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      Why "DSCOVR"? That's even worst than an MS-DOS filename.

      Hey, give NASA credit for breaking out of the TLA or FFLA mold.

    5. Re:DSCOVR? by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Hey, give NASA credit for breaking out of the TLA or FFLA mold.

      I thought it was FLEA: Four Letter Extended Acronym.

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    6. Re:DSCOVR? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      too many vowels

    7. Re:DSCOVR? by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      It always amuses me when morons bring up Galileo. He got in trouble because he couldn't properly back up his theory with evidence(Not to mention being completely wrong about other things like comets), because he was a gigantic fucking asshole who had ostracized his contemporaries so they refused to back him up as being possibly correct, and because he was a conceited moron who thought calling the pope an idiot in a thinly veiled treatise was a smart idea. It was the last that actually caused the Church to call for his prosecution, but it was the former two that sealed his fate.

    8. Re: DSCOVR? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TLA, and ETLA, extended the letter acronym

    9. Re:DSCOVR? by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 1

      Why "DSCOVR"?

      Modern NASA has a thing for retarded backronyms. This one is particularly forced. ("OVR" is "Observer"? Fuck off.) Older programs were given names for the sake of names. "Pioneer", "Voyager", "Mariner". Not MARINR (MArs Remote ImagiNg observeR).

      Still, at least the damn thing is flying after being mothballed for 15 years years because of its association with Al Gore.

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    10. Re:DSCOVR? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DSCO went out of style a few decades ago, so they had to get creative.

    11. Re:DSCOVR? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, give NASA credit for breaking out of the TLA or FFLA mold.

      I thought it was FLEA: Four Letter Extended Acronym.

      I prefer a FLAT: Four-Letter Acronym Term, which generates something pronounceable and spellable.

    12. Re: DSCOVR? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad about the mothballing, but at least it's out now. Bush and company didn't want any actual science getting in the way of their climate change denying and manufactured "scandals"...

  5. System Bug? by MMC+Monster · · Score: 0

    Read that as SystemD bug.

    On the one hand I was confused how systemD was involved in the launch.

    On the other hand, I was happy someone was fixing bugs in it.

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    1. Re:System Bug? by stoborrobots · · Score: 1

      On the one hand I was confused how systemD was involved in the launch.

      Then you haven't been paying attention - all the systemd supporters are adamant that it is descended from launchd!

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    2. Re:System Bug? by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

      What? Haven't you heard that software-defined radar will be in the next systemd feature set?

  6. Forcast cold and colder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tonight
      Increasing clouds. Patchy fog. Lows around 25 below. Light winds.

    Monday
      Mostly cloudy. Highs around 13 below. Southwest winds to 10 mph.

    Monday Night
      Mostly cloudy. Lows around 21 below. West winds around 15 mph.

    Tuesday
      Mostly cloudy in the morning then becoming partly cloudy. Highs around 13 below. North winds to 10 mph.

    Tuesday Night
      Partly cloudy. Lows around 24 below. East winds to 10 mph.

    Wednesday
      Partly cloudy. Highs around 15 below.

    Wednesday Night Through Friday
      Mostly cloudy. Lows around 25 below. Highs 15 to 20 below.

    Friday Night And Saturday
      Mostly cloudy. Lows around 20 below. Highs around 15 below.

    Saturday Night And Sunday
      Partly cloudy. Lows around 20 below. Highs around 15 below.

  7. Timing not internationally-friendly by BevanFindlay · · Score: 1

    As someone in New Zealand, I got confused for a moment on how tomorrow could be Monday night... (and still not quite sure what time this is expected to be happening without having to go and read TFA :-). I really wish more of the world (America is the worst) would use GMT/UTC, as that's easy to translate (and it means I don't need to look up the offset of the timezone someone refers to - which again is usually only given by name). We are not all in America. :-)

    1. Re:Timing not internationally-friendly by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 2

      I really wish more of the world (America is the worst) would use GMT/UTC, as that's easy to translate (and it means I don't need to look up the offset of the timezone someone refers to - which again is usually only given by name). We are not all in America. :-)

      SpaceX is quite good at giving launch times in UTC in their own press materials. They tend to run their software systems in UTC too, since there's no point in trying to use a "local" timezone for a vehicle that is going to be crossing multiple timezones in a few minutes. It's just the press who are lazy about it. The SpaceX webcast page just gives a countdown in hours and minutes on the day of a launch, so you don't have to do the math yourself.

    2. Re:Timing not internationally-friendly by Sivaraj · · Score: 3, Informative

      Better launch countdown where you can see in your local time (click on the globe). Looks like the launch moved to Tuesday night (EST) now.

      http://spacexstats.com/mission...

  8. NBC News reports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... that they need to wait for Brian Williams' two day suspension to be over so he can cover the launch and claim to be on the Falcon when it lands and explodes (assuming that's the outcome)...

  9. Region Restrictions on NASA TV? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Anybody know what's up with NASA TV and region restrictions? We tried to watch the launch last night on our TV but Chromecast refused to play it because the player threw region restriction errors.

    Clearly it was better for the advancement of science to have my kids huddled around my phone ("I can't see; move your elbow!") ...

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    1. Re:Region Restrictions on NASA TV? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Same reason that you can get a lot of TV episode streams the next day on the network website, but their tablet app makes you wait a week: "Because we're Hollywood, and we can force Congress to let us do that."

  10. Re:spon63 by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    Post generator failure! I wonder who this is...

  11. Because GoreSat was too Gauling for Replublicans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its an Election time concession.. seriously..

  12. NBC News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's an NBC News report. Therefore, this will be a manned mission with Brian Williams as the sole astronaut on board. Brian Williams will intercept an asteroid headed for the earth where he will try to blow it up using nuclear bombs. Watch the NBC Nightly News to learn more about Brian Williams's adventures.