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Mood-Altering Wearable Thync Releases First Brain Test Data

blottsie writes Thync, the world's first wearable that alters a user's mood has released the first set of data that shows its device reduces stress without chemicals. The study found that "the levels of salivary -amylase, an enzyme that increases with stress, as well as noradrenergic and sympathetic activity, significantly dropped for the subjects that received electrical neurosignaling compared to the subjects that received the sham."

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  1. We are your gravediggers, capitalists by For+a+Free+Internet · · Score: 1, Insightful

    We will not be your slaves.

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    1. Re:We are your gravediggers, capitalists by tmosley · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Get to work then. Capitalism has been dead since the Federal Reserve decapitated it in 1913. Whats left is starting to stink pretty badly.

    2. Re: We are your gravediggers, capitalists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you are, &have been..

    3. Re:We are your gravediggers, capitalists by reve_etrange · · Score: 0

      In your view, is extreme interest rate volatility good for capitalism?

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    4. Re:We are your gravediggers, capitalists by rubycodez · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      So let me get this straight, there was less capitalism since 1913 to now than say in the wildcat banking era in the 19th century?

      Do you know what capitalism is?

    5. Re:We are your gravediggers, capitalists by superwiz · · Score: 2

      A system in which new means of production are created by the private interest reinvesting gains from business activity (aka "free capital")?

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    6. Re:We are your gravediggers, capitalists by superwiz · · Score: 0

      umm.. so freedom is slavery? I guess it goes hand in hand with war is peace http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2....

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    7. Re:We are your gravediggers, capitalists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that "private interest" hoards far more than it invests, and only invests to enable more hoarding. Hence the wealth gap.

    8. Re:We are your gravediggers, capitalists by halivar · · Score: 0

      Check your shirt tag and your jeans. Where were they made? Vietnam? Thailand? How about the device you used to type this empty platitude? What was the wage of the person that built it? Stop bitching about capitalists; you are one.

    9. Re:We are your gravediggers, capitalists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's like asking, "is war good for freedom"?

      Yeah. It sure can be. It can also not be.

      Interest rate volatility caused by malinvestment is extraordinarily good for capitalism -- by putting a swift end to the interest rates that led to malinvestment.

      Likewise, artificially maintained rate stability in the face of epic financial irresponsibility is a time-bomb for any economy. (Ours is ticking quite loudly at the moment).

    10. Re:We are your gravediggers, capitalists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, yes. There has been less capitalism since 1913.

      Anyone who predicates their assessment of monetary theory with the absurd notion that "stability = good", is a jackass, big-government tool.

      Dictatorships are stable too. How good are they? Caste systems are stable too, for that matter.

      Risk is good. And the immolation of those who make bad bets is absolutely essential to economic stability over the long term. We have in our epic foolishness (I use the word "our" loosely, as the truth is "we" had nothing to do with it) attempted to remove risk from the equation.

      Now the entire system is dangerously unstable.

      Do you know what capitalism is?

    11. Re:We are your gravediggers, capitalists by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Replacing our Welfare system with a Citizen's Dividend will revitalize capitalism. The profits of the entire economy, from the lowest wage worker to the strongest business, will be taxed to provide a base payment to every natural-born American citizen above age 18; this provides just enough to make a profit by renting them housing and selling them food, clothing, soap, and the like. While the divide between rich and poor may grow and shrink, the dividend will always be of the total, and so unaffected by who gets what proportion of the nation's income; the market will always automatically support the poor, as doing so is nearly a $2 trillion industry, and growing with inflation and with the increasing wealth of the nation.

      This is a patch to make free market Capitalism solve poverty. Solving poverty will reduce crime, physical and mental health problems, loss of economic opportunity, and all forms of inequality: it diminishes all other social problems.

    12. Re:We are your gravediggers, capitalists by blue9steel · · Score: 1

      If he were speaking correctly he'd say "There was less of a free market since 1913" which would be correct, while "There was less capitalism since 1913" would not be.

    13. Re:We are your gravediggers, capitalists by blue9steel · · Score: 2

      Check your shirt tag and your jeans. Where were they made? Vietnam? Thailand? How about the device you used to type this empty platitude? What was the wage of the person that built it? Stop bitching about capitalists; you are one.

      Actually to use the correct terminology that would just be a matter of domestic labor benefiting from the exploitation of foreign labor. In order to be a capitalist you would need to own shares in the clothing manufacturer, of course many people do that sort of thing through their 401k but that's not what you were talking about.

    14. Re: We are your gravediggers, capitalists by smaddox · · Score: 1

      You're conflating macro stability with micro stability. The former describes entire economies as a whole. The latter describes single entities or sectors. Maintaining macro stability in no way requires maintaining micro stability or the elimination of risk.

    15. Re:We are your gravediggers, capitalists by superwiz · · Score: 1

      That makes no sense. Wealth devalues. So hoarding that is not invested has a de facto tax on it. The wealth gap can only be produced by continued increase in the ownership of the means of production (due to continued investing in new means of production).

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    16. Re: We are your gravediggers, capitalists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to 2015. Apparently you missed everything that's happened since 2008.

    17. Re: We are your gravediggers, capitalists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only in your mind. What makes you think I'm not talking about inter-government bond purchases and debt swaps? Is that "micro"?

  2. Eleven Things to Thync On by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Empathize with your enemy
    2. Rationality will not save us
    3. There's something beyond oneself
    4. Maximize efficiency
    5. Proportionality should be a guideline in war
    6. Get the data
    7. Belief and seeing are both often wrong
    8. Be prepared to reexamine your reasoning
    9. In order to do good, you may have to engage in evil
    10. Never say never
    11. You can't change human nature

    And as a bonus

    12. Slashdot is slower than ever because it does not thync

    1. Re:Eleven Things to Thync On by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Re #1: Is that before or after you kill them?

    2. Re:Eleven Things to Thync On by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      1. Empathize with your enemy

      Yes, it helps when you write their epitaph in the history books.

      2. Rationality will not save us

      Right, likely what will save us will be weapons, and lots of them, too.

      3. There's something beyond oneself

      Sure. Other people. Animals. Plants. Maybe even aliens. You bet.

      4. Maximize efficiency

      This is why I always suggest nuclear weapons. You just can't beat then for dollars spent per enemy decimated.

      5. Proportionality should be a guideline in war

      Absolutely. 100 for us, 0 for them. 100:0 is a perfectly valid proportion.

      6. Get the data

      By any means possible. Knowledge is power.

      7. Belief and seeing are both often wrong

      Through superstition-colored glasses they are.

      8. Be prepared to reexamine your reasoning

      it helps when you rewrite the history books

      9. In order to do good, you may have to engage in evil

      You knew my second wife!?!?

      10. Never say never

      Right. Never.

      11. You can't change human nature

      Again, this is why I suggest nuclear weapons.

      12. Slashdot is slower than ever because it does not thync

      Slashdot is like every other web site. It has to thync or thwim on its own.

      This text exists to up the ratio between characters and HTML formatting elements, which tend to upset slashdot's Kindergarten-level parsing engine. I'll write as much as I need to in order to get the above to post; because what is written above is precisely what I meant to say, and how I meant to say it. This also might be an opportune time to mention that slashdot's Kindergarten-level parser can't handle simple things like HTML lists, HTML character entities, and foreign character sets. Which is really kind of funny, considering that this place is hyped as a "geek site"... no geek worth his slice of (New York) pizza would let code like that out the door. I suppose it kind of goes along with the whole broken moderation system.

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    3. Re:Eleven Things to Thync On by fractoid · · Score: 1

      I prefer:
      1. Rationalize with your enemy
      2. Maximizing efficiency will not save us
      3. There's something beyond empathy
      4. The data should be a guideline in war
      5. Get your reasoning
      6. Belief and seeing are both oneself
      7. Be prepared to be often wrong
      8. Never say reexamine your reasoning
      9. Naturally, you may have to engage in evil
      10. You can't change human proportionality

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  3. All up side? I'm waiting on the sidelines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Fortunately, I'm 40, so am in the latter half of my life, so the pressures that may make this an interesting option isn't as important for me personally.

    However, my big concern with a lot of the bio-hacking is that we don't know what the long term effect of zapping your brain, taking this supplement or that supplement-du-jour is. If you are pro-actively modifying your body chemistry, there are limits that the body can take... Even "safe" analgesics have long term consequences (Acetaminophen -> liver damage, NSAID -> stomach damage). What does artificially suppressing one response do when the body when there may be a different one (I assume stress managing hormones come from the adrenal gland) do to the body?

    It may ultimately prove safe, but you only have one body. But again, with out those willing to risk it, we'd still be using leaches...

    So go on, young'uns, strap on, plug in and chill. Just get it done before my children are faced with the choice...

  4. Not surprised by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0
    I have no doubt this thing works as advertised.

    There are a lot of odd things that sort of impinge upon moods and thinking. I've used binaurals to relax and to keep myself from going goofy during mind numbing tasks for years. I've also used them as masking noise for tinnitus.

    So I suspect this device probably does destress people. Might be an actual useable task for wearables.

    No doubt the slasdot paranoidies will claim it's mind control, and add another layer of foil to their hats.

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    1. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tin foil hat alert level is only required when the government steps in and subsidizes this for everyone, with plans 10 years later to make an implantable version 'mandatory' (in the sense vaccinations are) for all children going through school...

      10 years after that, they push out a firmware upgrade that does more than de-stresses you, it makes you completely suggestible and complacent and you're officially a drone at that point (though to be fair, almost the entire population are drones now anyway - they're just not happy about it, but still complacent enough to roll over and take it).

    2. Re:Not surprised by knightghost · · Score: 0

      To late, they already did that with pot.

    3. Re:Not surprised by rubycodez · · Score: 0

      subsidized pot that is mandatory? My state didn't get the memo

    4. Re:Not surprised by codeButcher · · Score: 1

      ... and you're officially a drone at that point.....

      Great, I always wanted to be able to fly.

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  5. Very soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Getting closer to virtual sex helmets like in Demolition Man

    1. Re:Very soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Getting closer to virtual sex helmets like in Demolition Man

      Getting closer to a lot of technology presented in many, many works of science fiction which existed prior to, and far exceed that shit movie in all aspects.

    2. Re:Very soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the orbs in Sleeper, the movie that Demolition Man largely ripped off.

    3. Re:Very soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Getting closer to a lot of technology presented in many, many works of science fiction which existed prior to, and far exceed that shit movie in all aspects.

      You are fined 1 credit for a violation of the verbal morality statute.

    4. Re:Very soon by dunng808 · · Score: 1

      The tasp in Ringworld, by Larry Niven.

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  6. Long-term effects? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What are the long-term effects? What happens if that zaps your brain for 30 years? Do you lose the ability to calm down without this device?

    1. Re:Long-term effects? by thieh · · Score: 1

      In other news, a man was found dead in his home around 6 PM last night. He was found wearing a Thync with apparent signs of overclocking and vastly increased voltage beyond the sepcified safe limits. Preliminary analysis shows that the man was attempted to get high by adjusting various components of the Thync.

    2. Re:Long-term effects? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Thync bears no responsibility, because Paragraph 4, section 7 of the Terms of Use explicitly state that changing the device's default settings voids your warranty and makes you ineligible for refund, replacement, or class action lawsuits

  7. Sample size by willworkforbeer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Reading the Fine Article shows the sample sizes were statistically above zero, by a little. Several pairs of subjects reported positive-ish results.

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    1. Re:Sample size by RNLockwood · · Score: 1

      I didn't see anything about the control group that thought they were given shocks but were not. Did I miss that? If not the study is seriously flawed and nearly worthless.

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    2. Re:Sample size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More than 21-ish.

      ...out of the 21 participants...

      ...out of 14 participants that used the Thync system...

    3. Re:Sample size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people around here have some vague (sometimes moving) idea of how many thousands of data points they want before it is "statistically" significant, and could care less about actual estimates of significance.

    4. Re:Sample size by pepty · · Score: 1
      Yes, you missed that. It was in the summary:

      compared to the subjects that received the sham."

    5. Re:Sample size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ... and, more importantly, above zero for what?

      This is really weak as far as this sort of thing goes. I know Slashdot can be a little prejudiced against (i.e., ignorant of) behavioral science, but the more convincing, straightforward thing would have been to randomly assign participants to treatment and placebo conditions, or randomly alternate between conditions within-subjects, and to simply measure participants' mood using mood scales, interviews, informant measures, etc. Who cares about the psychophysiology measurements they took if it doesn't change the participant's experience of anything?

      Maybe I missed something in the paper, but this is exactly the sort of overhyped research that comes out of this area (wasn't there a news article I read somewhere recently about this type of apparatus showing null effects?) I appreciate the people trying to put something together in this area, and want to say: keep it up, but do something more straightforward. I shouldn't have to come up with some explanation for why your machine only influences psychophys responses to stress under highly controlled lab conditions, but not actual experience of stress in the real world.

    6. Re:Sample size by thieh · · Score: 1

      And possibly the control group that shocks in some other manner.

    7. Re:Sample size by skids · · Score: 1

      mood scales, interviews, informant measures, etc. Who cares about the psychophysiology measurements they took

      Umm... me? Every time I see a "mood scale" or questionairre used in a study I cringe. These are horribly subjective measures. Stress is a bonafide biological condition and I'm much more convinced by studies that use a biological proxy marker. Not too convinced, given the sample size, but...

  8. the world's first wearable? by Chikungunya · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I find ear plugs an immediate mood improver in many stressful situations.

    1. Re:the world's first wearable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find ear plugs an immediate mood improver in many stressful situations.

      Great! Glad you found something that works for you. Similarly, I have found that getting a blowjob is an immediate mood improver and reduces my stress levels.

    2. Re:the world's first wearable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what happens if you put earplugs in and get a blowjob? do you fall go on a caribean vacation in your mind?

    3. Re:the world's first wearable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what happens if you put earplugs in and get a blowjob? do you fall go on a caribean vacation in your mind?

      Yes, but without the part where you get herpes.

  9. Sample size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haven't read the article...but how large do you want the sample size to be? Is it some ballpark figure or based on power and sample size calculations?

  10. The Terminal Man by stox · · Score: 1

    sums up one of the potential dangers of this technology.

    "Gerhard shows his findings to Ross, who realizes that the seizures are getting more frequent. She explains that Benson is learning to initiate seizures involuntarily because the result of these seizures is a shock of pleasure, which leads to him having more frequent seizures. Ross checks on Benson, and discovers that, due to the clerical error of the nurses not having been able to read McPherson's signature, Benson has not been receiving his Thorazine. She then finds out that Benson, using the black wig and disguising himself as an orderly, has evaded the police officer assigned to guard him and escaped from the hospital."

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  11. Do Androids Dream... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First the Nexus 6 gets announced, and now something similar to the Mood Organ/Penfield Wave Transmitter...

    Coincidence? I think not.

  12. Obligatory XKCD by MaizeMan · · Score: 2
    1. Re:Obligatory XKCD by RNLockwood · · Score: 1

      xkcd is great. I forwarded it to our statistician when it was first published!

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  13. maker of magnet wristband releases results by citizenr · · Score: 3

    that show its clients felt the improvement, news at 11!

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  14. snake oil? by swell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    from TFA: "Thync announced a study showing that its device reduces stress without chemicals."

      - guess who conducted the study--Thync, of course. Miraculously they found no problems with the product. Thynk 'scientists' (not sure how they define the term) assured the DailyDot reporter that the product works better than a 'sham'.

    A company spokesman said "we have been collecting data around how people use Thync in their everyday lives " -- which seems odd for a product that hasn't reached the market yet and few people have had extensive exposure to it.

    Again from TFA: "Thync offered an anecdote from a student" ... This seems mostly to be anecdotes and little science.

    That said, there is hope that this technology or the transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) experiments will prove useful. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...

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    1. Re:snake oil? by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      That said, there is hope that this technology or the transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) experiments will prove useful.

      The effects of TMS are generally considered to be very short term. The efficiacy in clinical domains appears weak to me.

  15. Not a great idea by jgotts · · Score: 2

    So the idea here is to take our most sensitive and least understood organ, a device with processing power greater than any hardware/software system we've been able to even conceive of, and do the equivalent of smashing it with a hammer?

    Would you go to a data center and start zapping random computers with electric pulses, hoping that your buffoon-like behavior would randomly flip the rights bits somewhere to make the machines to work better? No, you would work to understand the software being used and improve it. Or, you would replace the hardware with something that works better.

    Likewise, there are no shortcuts with the brain. Until we can program neurons and neural networks directly, anything we do to the brain expecting to make it work much better is bound to do more harm than good.

    1. Re:Not a great idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " and do the equivalent of smashing it with a hammer"

      Sure. Right now, the mortality rate is 100%. If any of these crazy things actually DO something, it could easily pay off, and the risk appears low with almost all of these approaches (tcds, tms, llt, etc).

      Yes, it could well be nothing useful. But we need risk takers in this field.

      Do note, their device is almost assuredly safe. If anything, it's too conservative to do anything at all.

      " Or, you would replace the hardware with something that works better."

      Of course that would be ideal, but we are a lot further away. I've certainly fixed machines by kicking them. I'd buy this thing in a second if it turns out to be affordable.

      "Likewise, there are no shortcuts with the brain"

      How the fuck do YOU know that, Random Slashdot Guy? There were no shortcuts to fucking farming four centuries ago, no replacement for a horse a hundred years ago (I think 100 years ago was actually Peak Horse?), and no replacement for a computer 90 years ago.

      Remember "a computer" was said back then just like we say "a lawyer", "a doctor", or "a farmer". It was a job, full stop. A man who computes was a computer. It NEVER meant "a device" any more than "a doctor" does.

      So we could be sitting on shortcuts to all manner of things. Hell, with reasonably blunt objects we've already accomplished a great deal- people dosing themselves with chemicals made some of the science and almost all of the art you appreciate, and in many cases their reward was psych issues or death for their gambling.

      There's a time and a place for conservatism with the brain and other meatware, but that time and place is not "all people, period". If you don't want to experiment, that's fine. But any of these brain-zappy things are very interesting to me because they could actually give us something as novel as the giant rush of creativity that cocaine did in the western world, and so far these all appear vastly fucking safer than most drugs.

  16. Sad. Just sad. by ITRambo · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I'm too old to believe in magic devices anymore. They just don't work. OTC nutritional supplements, vitamin infused water, and magic gadgets, are as useful as downloadable RAM or free range pasta. If you want to reduce stress, take a few deep breaths. It works better than voodoo science,and fake technology.

    1. Re:Sad. Just sad. by raind · · Score: 1

      Every now and then some high grade cannabis works wonders, has little if any side effects and if you grow your own, it's free,

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  17. Maybe A Great Tool by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    Perhaps we could develop this tool to the point that drug addicts and alcoholics could be helped to stay sober. Also mental illnesses might be eliminated by such a device. Even criminal behavior is related to depression. But I also wonder about a tool that can make a person feel better when they are screwing up big time. Used incorrectly such a device could be a social nightmare.

  18. Really? where is the story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Great a faux study and an advertisement all in the same story

  19. This looks like snake-oil. ... But what if? by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    This looks like snake-oil all around to me.

    However, it has me wondering: What if there were BTL chips like in the Shadowrun RPG (Pen & Paper) or those simulations like in the novel "Altered Carbon" were real?

    In the Shadowrun RPG BTL ("Better than life" (sic!)) chips are *highly* adictive. Which raises the question: Would you give it a shot? ... I'd probably take a very close look at BTL junkies first. ... And then say no.

    As for those simulations in Altered Carbon - I wouldn't mind trying one of those. :-)

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  20. This isn't a "brain tech" device by umafuckit · · Score: 1

    What the authors are doing is supress stress-related signals that propagate along peripheral nerves. So it's not "mood-altering" directly. It potentially alters things that can feed back to mood. It doesn't zap your brain to change your mood directly.

    1. Re:This isn't a "brain tech" device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is some pretty good evidence about the interaction of the emotion (brain) with the feeling (body). Quadraplegics, for example, report lower emotional 'tone', because they can't feel the usual body responses--a flush, heart pounding, etc.

  21. Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shocking! The electric current kills neurons, and to everyones' surprise it turns the subject into a drooling idiot.

  22. electroshock therapy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing like giving yourself electroshock therapy. See, the old ways are better.

  23. Fishing? by FlopEJoe · · Score: 1

    But is there any way that you could just sock me out so there's no way that I'll know I'm at work? Can I just come home and think I've been fishing all day or something?

  24. Sketchy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The study is in a pre-print publication; that is, _it hasn't been peer-reviewed_.