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Google: FBI's Plan To Expand Hacking Power a "Monumental" Constitutional Threat
schwit1 writes with news about Google's reservations to a Justice Department proposal on warrants for electronic data. "Any change in accessing computer data should go through Congress, the search giant said. The search giant submitted public comments earlier this week opposing a Justice Department proposal that would grant judges more leeway in how they can approve search warrants for electronic data. The push to change an arcane federal rule "raises a number of monumental and highly complex constitutional, legal, and geopolitical concerns that should be left to Congress to decide," wrote Richard Salgado, Google's director for law enforcement and information security. The provision, known as Rule 41 of the federal rules of criminal procedure, generally permits judges to grant search warrants only within the bounds of their judicial district. Last year, the Justice Department petitioned a judicial advisory committee to amend the rule to allow judges to approve warrants outside their jurisdictions or in cases where authorities are unsure where a computer is located. Google, in its comments, blasted the desired rule change as overly vague, saying the proposal could authorize remote searches on the data of millions of Americans simultaneously—particularly those who share a network or router—and cautioned it rested on shaky legal footing."
Come on, put this overweening government in charge of everyone's health care.
Then we'll all literally have microphones and cameras shoved up our asses.
Google would like a monopoly on the collection and distribution of information. The NSA/CIA are preferred customers. The FBI have far too much oversight.
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Google doesn't give a damn about the privacy of the data of millions of Americans. All they care about is to keep the data to themselves and not share them with the authorities, only because they will lose market share.
What does he say to this?
Before going "good for Google" remember that they don't care about you - they only care about making sure the product (you) continues using their services so they can sell you to their real customers.
Signed, the pissed off person who has just discovered that he can only watch age rated Youtube movies on his new phone after he creates a Google Plus profile (with all that involves). :-(
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The Law is whatever you believe it to be.
1) Of course it is
2) That's the frickin' point
See, the people advocating unlimited surveillance couldn't possibly be stupid enough to not know this.
They just don't give a fuck.
This is "Yarg! We need security by any means, and if we shit on your rights, too fucking bad, because we're the good guys".
These clowns might actually believe they're "doing this for the greater good" -- but so does every fascist and dictator who decides they will do it anyway and we'll thank them later.
Unfortunately, since these people have sworn to uphold the Constitution, I think they should be hanged or shot. Because whatever they think they're protecting, they're doing more damage to our liberties than they are solving problems. In fact, they've become the problem.
Once they get over their illusion they're doing it for our own good, then the fun really begins, and the fascism really goes into effect.
Law enforcement have basically said "fuck the law, the law is what we say it is". And they feel entitled to do anything they want to. Which means law enforcement is more or less deeming themselves in charge of everything.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
Aren't they at least going to see if Memex works before they try their contingency plan? If they've got that little faith in it, then I hope it was cheap to develop.
Suppose you let judges authorize surveillance where the location cannot be determined. Five things would happen:
1) FBI would not try to determine the location, because they might find it is an unfriendly location with an unfriendly judge
2) FBI would shop for jurisdiction. Just as patent trolls all go to Marshall Texas, the troll rubber stamping capital of the world, so the FBI will go to whatever district will rubber stamp their requests.
3) Fail to get the warrant? There's no cross linkage between districts, judges won't spot they're being asked again for the same warrant, so FBI can simply keep hawking the request around till the get it.
4) Target will be listed as 'terrorist', actual target device will be router through which millions of peoples data passes, but then why would a judge in Aspen care about people in Newyork. They're not his family and his friends.
5) The FBI contracts this out to NSA, who accidentally store all the info while processing the warrants in these giant data centers they accidentally built, and accidentally data mine it.
Sorry, the vast majority (98%) is okay with this.
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Nothing will affect the elections. They are rigged. It will either be D or R.... no relief.
Bullshit. There are many options.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Bullshit. There are many options.
You can't win an election in the US without network television. They only deal with R or D. The other options are a waste of time. Those in control like it that way, but I'm sure you already know that.
When the most privacy insensitive company on the planet is telling you it's a serious privacy issue, that's something you really might want to consider revisiting before proceeding any further.
Given the US Governments recent track record of pretty much spying on anything worth spying on, it really shows their arrogance and disregard towards anything resembling laws, rules, or even the will of the people it was originally designed to represent.
Pres. Richard M. Nixon commissioned a secret study to build an IRON DOME above DC and 3 KM below to insure that his enemies would be thwarted in their efforts to kill him.
The General Services Office green-lighted the construction and EPA impact assessments and alerted prominent engineering contractors in California on the day before Pres. Richard M. Nixon, resigned.
Never the less, the contracts were let, the designs formulated and the EPA assessments performed and all are held in "Archives" for the next, Emperor of the USA.
Obama is NOT the next Emperor; he is just a toilet tissue like Saddam.
Ha ha
Just takes coke and D grades, Bush did it! Drug cartels who?
and google doesn't like the competition
The ASD (Australia's version of NSA/GCHQ) demanded this power 5 months ago. Plus the authority to plant files on suspects' computers. It's a sad day when one's country beats the USA to fucking-over legal protections for its citizens. This may not be law since I can't find any mention of "National Security Legislation Amendment Bill (No. 1) 2014" on the Commonwealth law web-site.
Health care has what to do with overreaching power grabbing law enforcement? Oh yeah, nothing, so you're either a paid shill or a moron. Or, likely, both.
I mean, putting private for profit companies in charge of deciding who gets what care at what cost just works out so well.
You fuckers already back Obama changing laws as he sees fit.
No matter HOW cartoonish our brethren on the right/red side of the aisle might get with their anti science pathological lying...
Then the OBAMA Justice Department goes all 1984 and you really do realize that both sides are BULLSHIT.
Well, they're just going have to use Justin Bieber's mom to manage a youtube campaign then. If adults have to be spoon fed like this, they're getting what they deserve.
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If a granted warrant is out of the jurisdiction of one appointed legal entity what are the chances that it will be inside the jurisdiction of another. I would say the chances are 100%. So lets say a judge grants such a thing to the FBI, location unknown. They then go off and gather evidence, remotely. Only later when using that evidence to present an international arrest warrant do they expose the location.
The defence teem would I guess have a field day, presenting the FBI with their own arrest warrant accusing the FBI of a Cyber-crime across international boarders. Supported by new anti-cyber-crime laws that the US via the MPAA/RIAA fought long and hard to put into place by international treaty.
Law enforcement has already reached a point at which many crimes must remain unpunished due to the economy of making arrests. There is already a situation in which only crimes that can generate money for the state are sought out. For example a drunk driver will pay stiff fines, be forced to make bail and often end up with mandatory therapy sessions with a county agency which charges a hefty fee week after week for months or years as well as a probation fee every month and states and counties may get a boost in federal funding for making such arrests. But there are other crimes that simply cost the state money so those arrests are sometimes avoided. But worse yet we have so many things considered crimes that many people are not aware they are committing a crime. These people can be leaned on by law enforcement to provide information or do things that they would not normally do. There are child welfare workers who get a call from the cops concerning a need to bash into a home and ask the child welfare worker to call in an address over a supposed complaint of a child being mistreated at the address. Armed with a bogus warrant the cops can gain sudden entry and search a home. This has gone on for decades. The child welfare workers need cooperation from the cops and are unusually willing to help generate such false warrants.
Absolutely. I should have voted for the libertarian gubernatorial candidate who wanted my state to issue its own currency backed by gold.
So, great, my options are evil, evil, or loony.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
The options are what your neighbors provide you.
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