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US To Monitor Air Quality In India and Other Countries

mdsolar writes with news about a U.S. plan to monitor air quality in countries like India and Mongolia to help raise awareness about the dangers of pollution. "The United States says it will expand air-quality monitoring at some overseas diplomatic missions, following several years of reporting pollution data in China. The goal is to increase awareness of the health risks of outdoor air pollution, which easily spreads across borders, Secretary of State John Kerry said in announcing the program on Wednesday. The program is intended to help United States citizens abroad reduce their exposure to pollution and to help other countries develop their own air-quality monitoring through training and exchanges with American experts, he said. "We're hoping that this tool can also expand international cooperation when it comes to curbing air pollution," Mr. Kerry said. The program, run in conjunction with the Environmental Protection Agency, will begin to operate in India in a few months. New Delhi has some of the world's worst air pollution, and residents there are becoming increasingly concerned about the dangers. American diplomatic missions will also monitor air quality in Vietnam, Mongolia and elsewhere, Mr. Kerry said."

42 comments

  1. Tradition by mdsolar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is a long tradition of US diplomats making scientific observations abroad. Franklin discovered the existence of sunrise in Paris, for example: http://www.webexhibits.org/day...

  2. Single ecosystem by manu0601 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First you deregulate trade, and you use that to pressure your suppliers to have the lowest possible cost. In order to achieve this, the suppliers must crush workers in remote countries and fuck the environment... and suddently you discover that there is only one single ecosystem and that pollution affects you.

    It is nice to see a US government that acknowledges there is general interest linked to environment. What will come next? They should push international environmental regulations that trump trade deregulation. I wonder if I will live long enough to see that.

    1. Re:Single ecosystem by dj245 · · Score: 1

      First you deregulate trade, and you use that to pressure your suppliers to have the lowest possible cost. In order to achieve this, the suppliers must crush workers in remote countries and fuck the environment... and suddently you discover that there is only one single ecosystem and that pollution affects you.

      It is nice to see a US government that acknowledges there is general interest linked to environment. What will come next? They should push international environmental regulations that trump trade deregulation. I wonder if I will live long enough to see that.

      Maybe the nations of the world should meet and discuss such a protocol. It will probably take a couple months to round up all those diplomats. I propose mid-April. The cherry blossoms should be blooming in Japan around that time. How about meeting in Kyoto? Beautiful city with plenty of high class hotel rooms.

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    2. Re:Single ecosystem by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Actually, the right way to have done all the trade agreements, is with a minimal environmental, money, and labor laws being required.
      Sadly, none of the west has done that. But the reason is that leaders from other nations do NOT want that. They want to take advantage of cheating by trashing their environment, combined with manipulating their money and dumping goods.
      I remain a fan of NAFTA though it should have had regulations to bring us up to Canada's environmental and labor standards.
      BUT, the others, esp. China, has caused more damaged to America and the rest of the world. China was required to meet a number of standards which they have not. In particular, they were supposed to free their money and drop their tariffs. Instead, tariffs on goods have increased, while tariffs on resources have disappeared. In addition, they manipulate their money more than ever.

      It is long past time to stop these. Hopefully the new free trade agreement will be stopped if they do not have regs for money, labor and env.

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    3. Re:Single ecosystem by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      better yet, have them meet in major parts of CHina. Let them spend time seeing what other nations will do in the interest of money.

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  3. A convenient excuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like a convenient excuse for the USA not to clean up its own act.

    "We are encouraging India to reduce emissions, therefore we will not sign this global environmental treaty."

    1. Re:A convenient excuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
  4. US Interfering in Internal Affairs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice to see the US continue the well worn tradition of meddling in other countries internal affairs.

    Make no mistake, this stunt is really meant to embarass and humiliate other countries in the name of awareness. The US has no problem exporting their polluting industries to poor nations but now to put the blame on them is too much.

    Shame on the US government. This is why terrorists crash planes into their buildings.

    1. Re:US Interfering in Internal Affairs by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      good grief.
      Look, just because the work goes overseas does NOT mean that the other nation must pollute. It is up to them on how to do things.
      India manipulates their money against the dollar and runs it up. They tried moving it to a point where it would be free to move, and software companies threatened to leave because it would be too expensive.
      Now, you will note that India did all this by manipulating their money in the first place, and then when they try to back out, the companies will leave.
      So, who do you blame? The companies, the employees, or the Indian gov?

      Likewise, with China, they not only manipulate, but they also picked coal for their power. Sure they claim that they will pour money into AE, but all it went into was businesses so that they could pump/dump on the west and destroy our industries. IOW, very little went into changing how CHina gets their electricity. In fact, China's % of electricity from coal went from 60% back in the 80s to more than 80% today, and it is still growing.
      Now, who is to blame for that? Did businesses choose that? Nope. Chinese gov. did.

      The reason why America, in fact the world, is in such chaos, is because of ppl like you. You want to blame America for everything while ignoring real facts. Hell, you scream about CO2 emissions (which you should), but America is less than 15% of total emissions, with the entire west being less than 33%, and China is over 33% all by themselves. And that is just what is reported. When OCO2 comes out with REAL numbers, CHina's % will be found to be over 40% of the world's emissions.
      And yet, you will scream about America while pushing to ignore all of the growth.

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    2. Re:US Interfering in Internal Affairs by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      really? How did America 'provoke' terrorism?

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  5. How about monitoring the chemtrails here first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about monitoring the chemtrails here first?

    oh that's right, human beings are dumb animals who love inhaling poison

    1. Re:How about monitoring the chemtrails here first? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Yes, oxygen is poisonous, and highly corrosive. Save your life, and stop inhaling now!

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    2. Re:How about monitoring the chemtrails here first? by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Wankers who swallow the latest conspiracy theory are the root problem, I wish the UN would do something about them, perhaps spraying them with valium from high altitude would work.

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    3. Re:How about monitoring the chemtrails here first? by NoKaOi · · Score: 1

      How about monitoring the chemtrails here first?

      What do you mean? The government is monitoring them very carefully, since they're the ones paying for the chemicals and loading them in the airplanes. Especially after the travesty of 9/11, where they forgot to take into account the altered burning temperature that results when the chemicals mix with jet fuel when they were doing the calculations for their inside job. But since then, they are saving money by having Monsanto put the chemicals in GMOs. OMG TOXINS!

    4. Re:How about monitoring the chemtrails here first? by ketomax · · Score: 1

      I admire your valiant effort to come up with an original idea to address this problem.

  6. George Perkins Marsh by mdsolar · · Score: 1

    Marsh was a diplomat who observed deforestation and desertification around the Mediterranean. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...

  7. IMSI catchers by stooo · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but today it's more like IMSI catchers and other surveillance.
    Please do it at home, we don't want your surveillance.

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  8. Have you unfucked your own country yet? by Skylinux · · Score: 1

    A lot of that pollution is caused by the way you exploit foreign countries for their slave labor.
    Has anyone reinstated the environmental protection laws that G. W. Bush removed?

    Not to worry, though.
    Soon, USA allies will be able to strike eco terrorist harboring countries with your drones - got to love it.

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  9. And they'll check their own backyard too ? by MarkTina · · Score: 4, Informative

    Since the US is the number 2 polluter in the world!

    http://www.reuters.com/news/pi...
    (probably not the most accurate report but good enough example).

    1. Re:And they'll check their own backyard too ? by sound+vision · · Score: 3

      There are already equivalent or better levels of monitoring within the US. Now they're monitoring places that don't have the capacity or will to monitor themselves.

    2. Re:And they'll check their own backyard too ? by halivar · · Score: 1

      Well, hold on, now. Let's put some context on that number. First, our per-capita emissions are improving year over year (this is also true of Europe). This image gives us more context, but still leaves out some important facts: OECD Americas includes #2 America, while the lower China is #1. BUT, the image is pretty good for establishing trends in emissions. First world countries are trending down, China and ME are trending up. As China begins outsourcing production for their own environmental concerns, look for China the plateau and Africa to start spiking.

    3. Re:And they'll check their own backyard too ? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      LOL.
      I always laugh when idiots trot out data that is 5-10 years old.
      Here is Europe's 2013 numbers on each nation's output.
      In fig 2.3, you can see that America's total output in 2012 is about 25% above Europe's and that both of ours are headed in the right direction, which is shrinking.
      OTOH, China's is massively moving upwards and continues that growth.

      And to take it a step further, look at figure 2.5. That is CO2 / GDP (PPP). Sadly, they do not have one with REAL $GDP, which is a far better measurement. But, regardless, you notice that:
      1) EU27 went from about 425 to 300. Not bad. And in real USD GDP (not PPP), they are excellent
      2) US went from over 600 to around 375. That is excellent considering that PPP is based on USD.
      3) China 1800 down to 900. Excellent drop, except that it was done by money manipulation, not be efficiency. In real $ GDP (not PPP), China actually went UP, not down.

      All in all, America is in the right place, while nations like China are total disasters.

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  10. Wow, the dumb in parent post is astounding... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trade goes overseas because it's too expensive to manufacture here (because of regulation).

    The US is not even remotely deregulated when it comes to business.

    1. Re:Wow, the dumb in parent post is astounding... by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      I know that US bashing is all the vogue, but you have to see the benefit to the rest of the World created by the general easing of protectionist trade policies by its wealthiest nation.

      The monitoring of pollution levels in places where tracking them might not occur is chicken soup... can't hurt, might help.

      There is no appreciable difference to our common planet whether environmental contamination of industry is Indian, Chinese, American, or European.

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  11. The eye, the beam and the shard. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As long as americans continue to drive V8 SUV that drive as far on a gallon as a Mini goes on a litre of fuel, nobody else will listen worldwide. As long as you don't even construct sidewalks and street lighting, based on the excuse that everybody plus dog drives in the USA, nobody will listen to you.

    As long as the USA is almost completely devoid of electrified rail and any passenger rail, nobody will listen. (For example, India was among the very first users of the french-german developed 25kV/50Hz AC locomotive traction system in the early 1960's and ever since then.)

    As long as americans think it is OK to cut down trees to build houses out of them, nobody will listen. If it wasn't acceptable of Saruman, why is USA an exception? (In most countries of the world, homes made out of wood are the exception. That's because deforestation is stupid and houses built of wood don't last beyond 90 years, usually only half of that. In contrast, brick construction still stands after 500 years and stone easily lasts a millenia or two. But of course those ephemeral wood houses do help to make US population "rootless" so they can be shuffled and re-shuffled coast-to-cost at the whim of greedy tycoons.)

    As long as USA handles pollution problems by way of private company profits now and publicly financed Superfund clean-up later, i.e. somewhere in the very distant future, nobody abroad will listen. Fracking is abysmally stupid, who in their right mind would turn their land into cheese by drilling a gazillion of holes into deep ground and then send down explosive charges deep under? Persistent mini earthquakes, polluted groundwater and Dead Sea clone toxic ponds are the result. Of course, as long as gas is cheap for the above-mentioned V8 SUV, yankee couldn't care less.

    As long as americans continue to think that Albert Gore is first-born son of Beelzebub, nobody will listen to US initivatives.

    1. Re:The eye, the beam and the shard. by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      You know not of what you speak.

      Brick and stone are siding commonly used in housing construction after the framed structure is built, typically from dead tree lumber... although metal framing is used in some commercial applications.

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    2. Re:The eye, the beam and the shard. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Brick and stone are siding commonly used in housing construction after the framed structure is built, typically from dead tree lumber... although metal framing is used in some commercial applications.

      That correct for the USA only. Most elsewhere in the world, lumber plays minor if any role in housing construction. Foundations are made of concrete, walls are 100% brick or its modern variant, the thermal air-gapped masonry block. Walls usually receive a steel-reinforced concrete crown at the top, for earthquake-proofing. Wood is only used as beams for the roof, to support the weight of ceramic roof-tiles. I hear in America only outhouses are built of brick? That's silly.

      Brick is made of in-organic clay, so it doesn't devour the biosphere, yet lasts many hundreds of year. (Think of Venice, Italy, scarely any buildings younger than 250 years, but many older than 450 years.) Felling trees to build houses is like cutting your own oxygen supply while doing scuba diving. The USA is famous for having consistently consumed more oxygen than it produces single every year, ever since 1978. The felling of trees for housing construction is a big factor in that problem, because trees turn CO2 into O2. Americans are like Saruman, but the ents are regrettably nowhere to be found.

  12. We the taxpayers didn't pay Franklin to do it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pisses me off that I'm being robbed of my earnings to friggin monitor an economically healthy country's anything!

    Fuck that!

  13. Re:We the taxpayers didn't pay Franklin to do it.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't worry. We can instead ignore the problem, and end up using even more of your earnings to deal with it.

  14. Re:We the taxpayers didn't pay Franklin to do it.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure sure, us spending our money to 'monitor it' going to change India's behavior. Riiiiiiight.

  15. Joe Biden for 2016 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Joe Biden is a square shooter. Joe Biden for 2016!

  16. Re:We the taxpayers didn't pay Franklin to do it.. by mdsolar · · Score: 1

    Actually, Adams complained that Franklin was using too much money on flattery.

  17. USA has very low credibility in India... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2
    In general the mainstream media in India and almost all of the intelligentsia, thought leaders, meme generators in India are very hostile to the West in general and USA in particular. They will dutifully line up days if necessary for a visa to the western countries, but in their hearts and mind, they just don't trust USA.

    We can argue till the sacred cows come how why it is so, or whether it is justified, or whether it hurts or helps USA or India. But ground reality is, USA has no real credibility. If it monitors air quality and announces the results, people would find thousands of hidden agenda and subversion in it.

    It is not just India. This old lady in northern Iraq passionately pleads for peace to ISIS militants, (assuming the sub titles are true) tells them their ways are un-Islamic in their face. But thinks America is providing ISIS weapons and money!

    I grew up in India and visit it every year. It is very hard to convince even highly educated and informed Indians that "USA is not a monolith. Parts of it are purely profit driven. Parts of it are genuinely altruistic, desiring real democracy and good life for all of the world. No, President Obama is not conspiring with the CEOs of Coca-Cola and Pepsi to drive your hometown soda maker out of business, your rose-flavor-soda is safe from Pepsi. No, the President can not order CEO of Warner Brothers to censor a movie". I am talking about people who have very advanced degrees, worked in Middle East, Africa and far East outside India, people who have visited USA and Europe as tourists and visited friends and relatives there. They just don't believe any part of USA could be altruistic.

    All the goodwill earned by all the people doing tremendous charity work, altruistic work, is squandered by a few bad players, mostly corporations corrupting the local politicians for their profit.

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    1. Re:USA has very low credibility in India... by mdsolar · · Score: 1

      One thing that air quality monitoring in the US has accomplished is drawing a connection between public health and air quality. It may be that statistics from hospital admissions will be compared with the new air quality data with possibly similar results.

    2. Re:USA has very low credibility in India... by ic3m4n1 · · Score: 1

      The same can be said about India's image in US.
      I don't see US giving warm welcomes to foreign monitoring stations here and going we want to work together to create better environment.

      It is a lot safer bet to assume everyone is acting in their self interest.
      There is no point in giving credibility just because someone says their intentions are benevolent or going hey we are U.S of A we are the only country who can make this world better so you can trust us. Promise we are good guys.

  18. US Diplomacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    US Diplomacy. NEW! IMPROVED! Now with more espionage!

  19. great, but release the OCO2 data now by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    OCO2 is the best means of monitoring CO2. Most importantly, it is capable of showing how CO2 flows in and out of a nation. China and other nations like to hide how much they actually produce. It is long past time for the world to see REAL numbers of what each nation produces so that they will focus on the correct polluters rather than the ones that are already cleaning up.

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  20. systemd virus spreads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agent001: I know! Let's go monitor their air!
    Agent002: For what?
    Agent001: Wireles.... I mean air quality!
    Agent002: You're so smooth.
    [dressed up in a moon costume] systemd: pizza time!