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An anonymous reader writes One of the cornerstones of any democracy is its judicial system. Fortunately, most of us never have to deal with it. On the other hand, the fact that we so seldom interact with it also means that most of us are not constantly thinking about it. It is possible our judicial system would be much better if most of us had to spend more time thinking about it. I myself had not put much thought into it until I watched a documentary about Aaron Swartz. It is frightening to think that someone could have been left in a position like that. I also hear about so many cases were people end up pleading guilty because they do not have enough money to fight a case in court. Is this really the best we can do? The Marshal Project is also an interesting source of information regarding the shortfalls of our current system.

What do you think about it? How can we improve our judicial system? Is there any interesting way that technology could be used to improve the system?

183 comments

  1. It is not about technology by u38cg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is a question of vested interests and poor incentives. Elected judges and elected prosecutors - how can you not end up with poor decisions? Poorly thought through kneejerk laws, like asset forfeiture and three strike life sentences - how can you have justice with a system like this?

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    1. Re:It is not about technology by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Elected judges and elected prosecutors - how can you not end up with poor decisions?

      And the alternative would be what? Have them appointed by an old German woman because she has a gold hat that her father gave her? Next thing you know it's death panels in hospitals, mandatory gay marriage and Sharia law zones.

      Americans are armed precisely to prevent that kind of thing happening over here.

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    2. Re:It is not about technology by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      All laws should be in a central repository, unique and complete for each jurisdiction. That would be a technical solution to a very real problem. "Ignorance of the law is not a defense" is a lie. The police get to say it. They can arrest you for something legal, then claim ignorance of the law, and their actions are legal.

      Since case law is law in the Common Law system, having all the cases indexed and assigned jurisdictionally, that would help the judges and legal professionals make better decisions. Yes, I'm aware that private companies already perform that action for a profit. But I shouldn't be forced to pay profit to a private company just to find the law that applies to me.

      The problem with the system is the system. The prosecutor is paid to get convictions. Not to find the truth. A conviction of an innocent person is a win. Finding the guilty person, but being unable to prove it is a loss. For tech to help our system, the system would have to change. Tech is fact-based. Our judicial system is uninterested in fact.

      Oh, and plea bargains are torture.

    3. Re:It is not about technology by Noah+Haders · · Score: 2

      I'm pretty sure all regulations are available on the internet. you're right, it's harder to access cases for free, although it can be done. but considering that if you have a real need to be doing case research, you likely have a lot of money on the line anyway, there's no real fault to paying a bit to access cases online.

      also there's systems for filing case briefs online.

      it's true the prosecutor gets paid to get convictions. the heart of the justice system is the adversary system. for every prosecutor there's a defense lawyer, who's paid to get guilty people off regardless of what they've done.

    4. Re:It is not about technology by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      And the alternative would be what?

      The alternative is to have them appointed, which is what many jurisdictions do. Most American states do NOT have elected judges. The federal govt also does not elect judges or prosecutors, they are appointed. Federal judges are usually appointed for life.

      I have see no evidence that appointed judges are "better" than elected judges in any significant way, or that elected judges are more likely to make "poor decisions" as the GPP claimed. So I don't think "elected vs appointed" is the root problem.

    5. Re:It is not about technology by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      The American tradition of liberty is not one of unrestricted direct democracy, aka mob rule, but of an ordered republic with checks and balances and structural limits on what can be accomplished via elections. At the Founding, judges were not elected; that is a recent (20th-century) innovation in some state and local court systems, not traditionally part of the American approach to the justice system. Juries were selected from amongst one's peers, and judges were appointed for life tenures, from among those learned in the law.

    6. Re:It is not about technology by Etherwalk · · Score: 2

      It is a question of vested interests and poor incentives. Elected judges and elected prosecutors - how can you not end up with poor decisions? Poorly thought through kneejerk laws, like asset forfeiture and three strike life sentences - how can you have justice with a system like this?

      It is, although a lot of the vested interests and poor incentives problem is not arising at that level. Almost everyone working in the system is trying to do a good job with too few resources, but incentives shape behavior and cause problems even when people are trying to do that.

      A basic problem with democracies is that they overcriminalize because elected people want to look like they are doing something about crime. We've known this for centuries, going back to Jeremy Bentham, but there is still very little effort done against it.

      The Smarter Sentencing Act, which is something both democrats and republicans on the Judiciary Committee have agreed would be a good thing, and would save probably thousands or tens-of-thousands of man-years of prison time, has been approved by the committee for years and still languishes without getting a vote on the floor.

      What can technology do? The first thing is that it can help people petition Congress, for one thing--email your Congressman and (Where your voice can do more good) your state legislatures. America leads the developed world in criminals--ask them to make it a real priority to change that, and provide concrete steps such as funding more alternatives to imprisonment, supporting the Smarter Sentencing Act and other reasonable sentencing reductions, and asking them to put together a plan to reduce recidivism and the collateral civil consequences of conviction such as lack of employability.

      The second thing is technology--more accurately, science--can inform the jury. No jury should sit without learning about the reliability and lack of reliability of eyewitness testimony.

    7. Re:It is not about technology by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

      I think the question was more about "How can technology improve upon the bad judicial system?". My first thought was "heat seeking missiles".

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    8. Re:It is not about technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the alternative would be what?

      The alternative is to have them appointed

      What, were you unable to read past Hognoxious' first sentence? They clearly think that judges being appointed is a bad thing.

      So I don't think "elected vs appointed" is the root problem.

      You prolly should have started with something like that. Because as it stands, you started off as sounding like you didn't even read what you were responding to.

    9. Re:It is not about technology by readin · · Score: 1

      Having them randomly selected, like the jury pool, might not be a bad idea. Or at least have the people who appoint the judges be randomly selected.

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    10. Re:It is not about technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > All laws should be in a central repository,

      That's illegal. Laws in the US are copyrighted. You are suggesting we break the law. That is against the rules here on /., and I hope you have your account deleted and posts turned over to the police. It's thugs like you that ruin good sites. 4chan-like criminal posts like this will destroy a web site.

    11. Re:It is not about technology by TWX · · Score: 1

      Laws are not copyrighted. There have been lawsuits where thinktanks that were paid to draft laws for one jurisdiction tried to enforce copyright claims against other jurisdictions that passed the same law in copycat-fashion and lost.

      The problem is when codes and regulations, which are not technically laws, are copyrighted. Things like building codes, electrical codes, and other standards bodies' codes that the public sector rules refer to but are private, so one has to spend money with private entities in order to be legal. It's annoying.

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    12. Re:It is not about technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that lie was true then why is my old high school teacher in prison for xeroxing a page of laws in SC? He did so and spit on the page which got him beaten by the Republican's thugs in blue. They hate us and want us to die. That is why they don't allow us to learn the law. They keep it a secret until they use it as an excuse to beat us. Why do you believe these lies? Beliving a liar makes you a liar. You are part of the problem.

    13. Re:It is not about technology by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure all regulations are available on the internet.

      Nope. Local building code laws refer to NECA as having force of law, but NECA isn't available online. The law is privately written, privately held, and I must pay money to a company to be able to read the law. NECA isn't making it hard to make the law obfuscated, but is obfuscating the law so DIYers will be scared, and hire a NECA member to do the work. Similar things happen with regulations from the FCC, FAA, IRS and others with force of law, but aren't law. Sure, you can look up most. But it's hard, and "recommendations" are mixed in with "law" in a manner that is hard to differentiate.

      it's true the prosecutor gets paid to get convictions. the heart of the justice system is the adversary system.

      The state prosecutors are better funded than the state defenders. That, and the adversary system isn't the only system. If we aren't going to do it right, there are other systems that fail more gracefully than ours.

    14. Re:It is not about technology by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      That helps, but it doesn't solve another issue: Law is really, really complex. Book after book of precident on every subject, and the laws themselves can be the length of a novel, often only granting power to regulations that can be changed more easily. Laws can have interactions, and often run into conflict with other laws - especially in the US, where federal and state governments are actively trying to subvert another a lot of the time. That's why lawyers exist: Because the subject is far more complicated than a non-professional can be expected to understand.

    15. Re:It is not about technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have see no evidence that appointed judges are "better" than elected judges in any significant way, or that elected judges are more likely to make

      parsing this, it reads, you have no idea what you are talking about

    16. Re:It is not about technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that lie was true then why is my old high school teacher in prison for xeroxing a page of laws in SC? He did so and spit on the page which got him beaten by the Republican's thugs in blue. They hate us and want us to die. That is why they don't allow us to learn the law. They keep it a secret until they use it as an excuse to beat us. Why do you believe these lies? Beliving a liar makes you a liar. You are part of the problem.

      Dude just say no

    17. Re:It is not about technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The problem is the gold embroidery around the flags in the courtroom - we're still practicing maritime law, over 130 years after the civil war.

      In criminal cases - judge instructs jury on how to rule (e.g. you cannot say they are innocent because this law is unconstitutional, that's for an educated judge to decide! Because, you know, the constitution is a "complex document with complex ramifications". Then when you, and everyone on the Jury tell the judge to go stuff it, the jurors who don't agree with the Judge are removed from the Jury.)

      In civil cases - Judge rules.

      Also, the legislative started implementing minimum and maximum sentences for crimes; that is also something a jury used to decide.

      E.G. if you destroyed a million bucks of company property with your gang, and the company was unpopular, you could fine the arsonists $50 a piece and a week in jail. Now' it's 4 years minimum.

      Return the federal government to it's proper size, return the states to their proper size, and vwala, all of a sudden, the screwed-up-ed-ness goes away.

    18. Re:It is not about technology by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      I have see no evidence that appointed judges are "better" than elected judges in any significant way,

      The idea is to remove them from external influence. Once appointed, you cannot be fired for a ruling people dont like, which makes it far easier to rule on "what the law is" rather than "what someone else wants it to be".

      Elected judges would be an absolutely abysmal idea. Judges being elected is why theyre able to continually smack down overreach in areas of first, second, and fourth amendments. They dont always make the right call-- but they arent in lock-step with the other two branches, which is an incredibly important thing.

    19. Re:It is not about technology by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

      If you ever need proof that the average individual is not educated enough to interpret "what the law is", just frequent reddit. Your average person would shred the fourth and fifth amendments the first time a rapist was going to use them to get away with their crime. Your average person doesnt even understand the reason why we allow racist speech to be legal, and would probably shred the first amendment the first time a neo-nazi strolled into a jewish community in Illinois.

      Heck, I doubt if your average person even knows what the amendments ARE. It is 100% appropriate for someone who does know these things, and is as unbiased as one can be in todays society (as they dont have to care what anyone else thinks), to instruct the jury on matters of law. Thats a good deal of the judge's job description, actually.

    20. Re:It is not about technology by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Having them randomly selected, like the jury pool, might not be a bad idea.

      That would be an awful idea. We would lose crucial protections within 10 years because these untrained judges would have no conception of the reason for things like "double jeopardy" and "protection from self incrimination".

      The only reason we have a 2nd amendment still is because SCOTUS is filled with old people who dont GAF what Chicago and DC have to say about the dangers of guns; they know the law, and they know overreach when they see it. You think a randomly elected individual would have the fortitude to back laws he doesnt like on principle, because its the correct ruling?

    21. Re:It is not about technology by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      What you're hinting at in both examples but not saying outright is the need for lawyers, which means money. Our current regilatory and justice system requires people to hire a lawyer. This has nothing to do with access to records and won't change regardless of the technology used.

    22. Re:It is not about technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The alternative is to have them appointed, which is what many jurisdictions do. Most American states do NOT have elected judges. The federal govt also does not elect judges or prosecutors, they are appointed. Federal judges are usually appointed for life.

      I have see no evidence that appointed judges are "better" than elected judges in any significant way, or that elected judges are more likely to make "poor decisions" as the GPP claimed. So I don't think "elected vs appointed" is the root problem.

      I sat in on a case where the federal judge and prosecutor were joined at the hip and created false evidence to put someone in prison.

      Elected is bad (unless political parties are banned - then it is mediocre) but appointed is worse.

    23. Re:It is not about technology by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Have you actually looked?

      Building codes for DC metro area:
      Virginia building code
      DC building code
      MD codes (incl building)

      Law for DC metro area:
      Virginia law
      DC Code / law
      MD Laws and statutes

      Fighting ignorance and BS on slashdot could easily be a full-time job; theres no shortage of people who will talk out of their rear about things they have no information on.

    24. Re:It is not about technology by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      MD laws and statutes didnt come out, link here
      http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/web...
      http://www.lawlib.state.md.us/

    25. Re:It is not about technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what about NECA, asshole

    26. Re:It is not about technology by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      "...then why is my ..." And exactly which of the thousands of ACs are you? Your word about this is meaningless without a reference.

    27. Re:It is not about technology by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Federal judges are usually appointed for life.

      No, that's a common misconception. According to the Constitution, Federal judges "... shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour..."

      There's absolutely nothing in there about the appointments being for life.

    28. Re:It is not about technology by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      I sat in on a case where the federal judge and prosecutor were joined at the hip and created false evidence to put someone in prison.

      Really? What was the name of the judge? What was the name of the prosecutor? What was the case number? Why didn't you go to the press? Why didn't you name names here?

      Elected is bad but appointed is worse.

      Most people that have an opinion feel the opposite. Neither they nor you have actual evidence beyond anecdotes.

    29. Re:It is not about technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that lie was true then why is my old high school teacher in prison for xeroxing a page of laws in SC? He did so and spit on the page which got him beaten by the Republican's thugs in blue. They hate us and want us to die. That is why they don't allow us to learn the law. They keep it a secret until they use it as an excuse to beat us. Why do you believe these lies? Beliving a liar makes you a liar. You are part of the problem.

      "Beliving a liar makes you a liar."
      Furthermore, believing an idiot makes you an idiot. That is why we're rejecting your claims.

    30. Re:It is not about technology by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Elected judges would be an absolutely abysmal idea.

      22 American states have partisan elections for trail judges. The other 28 do not. There is no evidence that these 22 are better or worse, much less "abysmally" worse.

      Judges being elected is why they're able to continually smack down overreach in areas of first, second, and fourth amendments.

      Most of those "smackdowns" occur in federal court, where both judges and prosecutors are appointed, not elected.

    31. Re:It is not about technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have see no evidence that appointed judges are "better" than elected judges in any significant way,

      The idea is to remove them from external influence. Once appointed, you cannot be fired for a ruling people dont like, which makes it far easier to rule on "what the law is" rather than "what someone else wants it to be".

      Unfortunately, with less external influence [read:accountability], it also makes it easier for them to rule "what they [the judge] want it to be".

    32. Re:It is not about technology by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      How about an amendment that says "No law can be passed that can't be fully understood and explained by any random High School graduate in less than 45 minutes."

      Then you might get a nice side effect of wanting to increase education at the pre-college level.

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    33. Re:It is not about technology by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      "The District of Columbia adopts the International Codes (I-Codes) published by the International Code Council (ICC), and the National Electrical Code (NEC) published by the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA)"

      So the adopted the NEC, but I didn't see a spot on the site to see the NEC as adopted.

      The NFPA maintains a "free" repository, but you can't browse it. You can only look up specific ones, after you create an account and jump through hoops. They charge for it in book form, and maintain copyright over all of it, and even manage to DRM cripple the code they do let you see for free.

    34. Re:It is not about technology by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      When the law is in a single place, and people see that the law that pertains to them is tens of thousands of pages long, and changes faster than any human can read it.

    35. Re:It is not about technology by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2
      We have agreed on many issues and also disagreed on many.

      Most people that have an opinion feel the opposite.

      I'm not sure that's true. Being from an area where judges are elected, and where government officials have been notoriously corrupt when it comes to appointments, I would have to take the "elected" side.

      But I admit that's just my own anecdote.

    36. Re:It is not about technology by grcumb · · Score: 1

      Federal judges are usually appointed for life.

      No, that's a common misconception. According to the Constitution, Federal judges "... shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour..." There's absolutely nothing in there about the appointments being for life.

      Practically speaking, 'during Good Behaviour' means, 'You can't fire this person for any reason but malfeasance.' In other words, there is no term of employment. In other words, it's an appointment for life.

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    37. Re:It is not about technology by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      From that site:

      On March 28, 2014, the District of Columbia adopted 11 of the 2012 I-Codes and the NFPA’s 2011 NEC with changes, deletions, and/or additions set forth in the 2013 Construction Codes Supplement, 12 DCMR, Subtitles A through L.
      Hyperlink and bolding added.

      It appears that the full NECA is NOT available, but the parts adopted into law for particular areas ARE.

    38. Re:It is not about technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a technological fix. Bring back the guillotine. And, have plenty of spare blades on hand to handle:

      Every congress critter, judge, executive branch member (including FBI, CIA, etc.). Every C-level executive. Anybody with an MBA. All members of boards of directors. And, any investor with more than a 1% stake in a major corp. Also the annoying middle-managers while we're at it.

    39. Re:It is not about technology by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      It appears that the full NECA is NOT available, but the parts adopted into law for DC ARE. See my post here.

      I probably shouldnt have been as harsh as I was, but Im not sure the name calling was warranted either.

    40. Re:It is not about technology by grcumb · · Score: 2

      All laws should be in a central repository, unique and complete for each jurisdiction.

      They are, pretty much everywhere else in the World. It's ironic that the Legal Information Institute, the first attempt to collect legal materials online, is based at Cornell, but it's severely limited in what it can publish, because most jurisdictions can't or won't agree with the idea that cases, legislation and regulation should be freely available to anyone, any time. Free access to law is considered by some to be a basic right. But not in the USA.

      Elsewhere, we have thriving online legal resources, including CanLII, AustLII, SAFLII, WorldLII, CommonLII, AsianLII. And my own favourite, because I worked on it for a few years, the Pacific Islands Legal Information Institute. Ironic, isn't it, that Fiji and Solomon Islands should have easier access to their own laws and judgments than that shining city atop the hill?

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    41. Re:It is not about technology by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      I am begrudgingly an NFPA member. What they offer now is a huge step forward from where they were 5 years ago; at least the information is there. I have purchased dozens of different standards for the office.

      One of my favorite possessions though (well, maybe not really) is my pirated PDF copy of the handbook. I strongly suggest anyone with an interest get it. I understand the need to protect the publishing revenue, but for non commercial use, or if you own a copy, go for it!

    42. Re:It is not about technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no need to pirate. Most standards codified in U.S. State and Federal laws are available here.

      https://law.resource.org/pub/us/cfr/manifest.us.html
      https://law.resource.org/pub/us/code/safety.html

      If it is not already there, if is codified just do a FOIA request.

    43. Re:It is not about technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. You are incorrect. If they are codified in law, they are freely available from the State/Feds. You only have to pay for them if you buy them from the standards groups.

      https://law.resource.org/pub/u...

    44. Re:It is not about technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The alternative is to do it the way we did in the earlier days of our country. The Grand Jury was independent - not driven by a government prosecutor. Cases would be brought by people who were victims of crime - not the government bringing political charges. If the grand jury returned an indictment they would appoint a private sector prosecutor - not a government hack dependent upon the police and the government for his livelihood. Juries would have absolute right of nullification and would not be lectured by a judge telling them how they must weigh the evidence and how they must vote.

    45. Re:It is not about technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Case law is NOT common law. That is bullshit that the current government licensed law school system indoctrinates students in.

    46. Re:It is not about technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work with a small group of people that are looking at how to change the law to actually fix the system. Our basic idea is to use the ballot box to bring real reform.

      We have over 50 initiatives that we want to pass here in the state of MA (same place where AS had his problems). Let me tell you about a few of them that are directly relevant to this:

      1. Innocent Until Proven Guilty. This initiative requires all branches of government, employers and certain others to assume people accused of a crime are innocent of it and treat them accordingly (includes some exceptions, mostly around if the person is an actual danger to specific people). The law only allows people to be held by the state pre-trial if the state can show in an adversarial proceeding that they are a present and significant danger to the community or to specific people in the community or that a substantial risk exists that they will not show up for court. (did you know that a kid accused of a crime having nothing to do with school can be kicked out of school because of the accusation? Thats not right.)

      2. Reparations for the innocent . This initiative makes the state liable for damages done to a defendant in the course of a criminal case where the accused is proven innocent, including attorney fees, lost work, reputation damage, etc. (This is designed to even the playing field and make the common tactic of trying to bankrupt the defendant a thing of the past)

      3. Citizen Complaint Boards. This initiative sits juries to investigate and rule on complaints against police, prosecutors and judges (different processes for police/prosecutors and judges). These juries will be led by a member of the defense bar, and will have the power to reprimand, restrict the duties of and even terminate employment. (Did you know that there is no process for going in after your trial is over to complain about the illegal things the police, prosecutor and judge may have done? This takes president over collective bargaining agreements).

      4. Truth in public Service. This initiative makes it illegal for city/town, county and state employees to lie to the public, including lies of omission. It includes a limited exception for certain police work and requires police to obtain a warrant from a judge based on probable cause before lying to any member of the public. This includes a provision allowing members of the public to sue for damages, and required penalties for those found lying to the public. (did you know that under current law, city/state employees can outright lie to you any time they want?)

      5. Competent Investigations. This initiative requires the state to annually publish detailed investigation protocols based on the latest science, and requires police and prosecutors to follow them. Failure to follow them results in a loss of police and prosecutorial immunity. (Did you know that right now, they just can make it up as they go, it doesn't matter if its entirely based on pseudo science?)

      6. Evidence Required. This initiative requires independent corroborating evidence in all criminal cases . (right I could claim that you pointed a gun at me and threatened to shoot me. You can be convinced of that with no other proof . Or more commonly, a cop claims you were speeding. No radar gun, no camera, nothing but the word of the accuser. This needs to change. )

      7. Criminal Process Reforms. This initiative makes major changes to the criminal system designed to reduce costs and get to the truth. It changes the criminal process to require all potential witnesses (except for the defendant, who has a 4th amendment right that must be respected) sit for sworn depositions, and for the lawyers on both sides to respond to interrogatories (answer specific questions from the opposing side, and produce requested documentation. Right now, its a game, and that needs to change. )

      8. He said She said. This initiative makes all use of hearsay ("Bobby said that Billy said...") inadmissible in all aspects of criminal cases.

    47. Re:It is not about technology by dryeo · · Score: 1

      If the people keep electing corrupt government, they'll probably elect corrupt judges. Really what needs fixing is the overall corruption and probably the whole election process that allows corrupt people to keep getting elected.

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    48. Re:It is not about technology by swell · · Score: 2

      "I'm pretty sure all regulations are available on the internet."

      You may find it interesting that the Municipal Code for my current city, and probably yours, is a copyrighted document prepared by a private company. Illegal for you to make a copy without paying them. Our city doesn't have the resources to create such a document. The publisher is able to create a generic municipal code and then make minor alterations for individual cities.

      I worked for the private law firm that wrote the Chicago municipal code. The attorney whose name appeared as author was simply the head of a committee, but he had connections and got all the credit. That was a merger of private/public cooperation long ago that probably was beneficial to the City and lucrative for my boss.

      Ownership of the law, in written form, will be more commercialized over time. Slashdot readers are pushing for scientific journals to be more 'open' ... This is another place where openness is important.

      "Ask Slashdot: How Can Technology Improve the Judicial System?" - this is it.

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    49. Re:It is not about technology by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      And Wikipedia, and others. I think Civil Law (often given as the "opposite" of Common Law) makes more sense.

    50. Re:It is not about technology by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you can push for a city ordinance to put all the municipal codes up on the city website. that sounds like a good sunshine law.

    51. Re:It is not about technology by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

      Elected judges would be an absolutely abysmal idea.

      22 American states have partisan elections for trail judges. The other 28 do not. There is no evidence that these 22 are better or worse, much less "abysmally" worse.

      Judges being elected is why they're able to continually smack down overreach in areas of first, second, and fourth amendments.

      Most of those "smackdowns" occur in federal court, where both judges and prosecutors are appointed, not elected.

      There's plenty of evidence, but not a lot of rigorously analyzed data.

    52. Re:It is not about technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the 3 strikes laws came from elected pols, not elected judicial folk.

    53. Re:It is not about technology by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      No, that's rather convoluted logic. It's appointment for "good Behavior".

      Yes, of course it means you can't get rid of them unless they misbehave. That's what it says.

      But "appointed for life" implies (incorrectly) that you can't get rid of them AT ALL. That's just wrong.

    54. Re:It is not about technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... how can you have justice with a system like this?

      This is the United States, justice is not the objective. The whole goal is to strip the plebs of their cash and distribute in amongst the power elite. Notice that some European countries base their fine structure based on how much a year you make. That makes for a real incentive not to break traffic laws. While in the US the fines are set only to hurt the poor. $250 fine? No problem, talk to my secretary and she'll take it out of petty cash.

    55. Re:It is not about technology by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      The benefit of pirating in the case of many NFPA, ASHRAE, IEEE, etc standards is for them to actually be in a useable form compared to what you can get elsewhere.

    56. Re: It is not about technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Americans are armed to keep them from revolting, not to help them revolt. This is a winner take all society and having guns helps the losers feel like winners.

    57. Re:It is not about technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For all you ignorant fucks out there.
      NO, NOT ALL LAWS ARE AVAILABLE!!
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...
      http://rense.com/general79/sud...
      https://www.techdirt.com/artic...

    58. Re:It is not about technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Americans are armed precisely to prevent that kind of thing happening over here.

      And yet you whiny cunts have utterly failed to actually do anything as your government erodes your rights.

      Either you are all full of shit, are all cowards, or have embraced fascism.

      But don't fucking act like you use your precious fucking guns for anything but shooting one another.

      Americans are pathetic cowards who talk a lot, but somehow they keep braying about their freedoms and what they'll do to protect them, all the while watching them go away.

      You don't deserve freedom.

  2. Judicial "system"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a load of crap. In Canada we have a healthcare "system", I can go to a hospital without mortgaging my house.

    We DO NOT have a judicial system. We have a LEGAL MARKET.

    You BUY whatever "legal" you need. Can't afford it? Tough.

    So much for your democracy.

    You want to use technology? OUTSOURCE your precious justice just like MY ENGINEERING JOBS have been.

    Then we'll see how talks about "cornerstones" and "systems".

    Fucking asshole.

    1. Re:Judicial "system"? by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

      What a load of crap. In Canada we have a healthcare "system", I can go to a hospital without mortgaging my house.

      What happens to you once you get there, on the other hand...

    2. Re:Judicial "system"? by NicBenjamin · · Score: 2

      My family has a cottage up in Ontario.

      The biggest difference we notice in ER visits is that a) it takes the Canadians forever to remember how to charge people for care, and b) the bill is always much smaller then it would be in the states.

      This does not happen because of some deep-ass hard-to-understand-psychological-king-fu they've done with their health market. It's because every year each province sets up a price list (a "Fee Schedule" to use the health care wonk jargon). They generally don't let the fees go up by 10-15% a year without a very good explanation, so the fee we pay today is roughly equivalent to what it would have cost to get the same procedure in America back in the 60s when Canadian Medicare (their name for their universal health system) wrote the first price lists. Hospitals can't charge more then the fee schedule or they lose their government funding, and since everybody uses government hospitals that means they'd go out of business.

      State-side they know you'll pay more every year for the same service because what option do you have? Your kid is bleeding, you're at the hospital, and they'll tell you to get back into the car and drive for another half-hour unless you pay up.

      This is one reason the US (which only funds healthcare for Federal employees, Federal retirees, 65-year-olds, and the poor) actually paid more per capita for health care then the Canadian Federal government did, despite the fact that the Canadian Feds provide 100% of health funding in that country.

    3. Re:Judicial "system"? by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      ... is probably just as good as what they'd get here in the States, CRE notwithstanding

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    4. Re:Judicial "system"? by dkf · · Score: 1

      This is one reason the US (which only funds healthcare for Federal employees, Federal retirees, 65-year-olds, and the poor) actually paid more per capita for health care then the Canadian Federal government did, despite the fact that the Canadian Feds provide 100% of health funding in that country.

      The real key is that there is a body in Canada (other than the ordinary Joe on the street) who wants prices to be kept down, and which has the power to actually make that happen. Because keeping charges down is a priority, use of generic drugs will be more widespread, as will the use of programmes to improve general public health (because they tend to be very cost effective overall) and the more rapid progression from diagnosis to treatment. That last point can be both good and bad: good because if they got it right, you're getting treated sooner instead of having more expensive (and possibly invasive) tests done, and bad because if they got it wrong, you're not being treated for what's wrong at all.

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    5. Re:Judicial "system"? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Actually the Canadian federal government does not pay 100% of health funding in Canada. They do pay a good percentage (which is shrinking due to austerity and the current assholes in power refusing to even talk to the Provinces, little well compromise) which varies on how rich the individual Province is. Here in BC the average working person has to pay more and more in the way of premiums to offset the income tax cuts the government is so fond of.

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    6. Re:Judicial "system"? by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      Actually the Canadian federal government does not pay 100% of health funding in Canada. They do pay a good percentage (which is shrinking due to austerity and the current assholes in power refusing to even talk to the Provinces, little well compromise) which varies on how rich the individual Province is. Here in BC the average working person has to pay more and more in the way of premiums to offset the income tax cuts the government is so fond of.

      And it's all Elizabeth May's fault. Seriously.

      Prior to the rise of a national Green party splitting the vote in every Riding, Ridings only had three parties, and to get a majority government the rule of thumb was you needed 42%. Now Elizabeth has a seat in Parliament, her party got roughly 4%, and the Tories got 39%, so they got a majority. And a majority PM has more power then any American official will ever have because a majority PM runs both the Executive and the Legislative branches.

      Which means that if you actually want any of the things Elizabeth May wants, what you want very very much is for her to come to some sort of deal with the other left-wing parties so there aren't there left-wing options in all 338 Ridings.

    7. Re:Judicial "system"? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      We've often had more then three parties in Parliament. Way back there was a small Social Credit caucus in Quebec. More recently there was the Reform Party in the west splitting the right wing vote as well as the Bloc in Quebec.
      As for the Green party splitting the left, well in our (BC) last Provincial election, the Greens seemed to take votes equally from the right and the left. And federally the left has hardly ever done very well until the last election where the NDP increased their number of seats by almost an order of magnitude, mostly based on having a very well liked leader in Jack Layton. The Liberals have always been mostly center and unlike the Conservatives they actually ran a surplus budget for 8 years

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    8. Re:Judicial "system"? by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      Having a lot of parties in Parliament is not the problem. Having a lot of parties splitting the vote in every single fucking Riding is the problem. The SoCreds/Credistes, for example, were never a national party because they never really competed outside of one of the four Canadian regions. Reform was not a national party until the very end, right before it ate the PCs. The Greens are.

      I have read many Green apologists claim they take votes from parties that are not left-wing. Pretty much every analysis of this phenomena I have ever seen is pure motivated reasoning. Minuscule sample sizes frequently appear. What actually seems to happen when political campaign types strongly analyze the data is that much of their vote comes from the left--wing party, and every-goddamn-body-else would have been a non-voter because they're incredibly angry at the political system.

      Think about it this way for two minutes: the Tories stand for no gay marriage, lower taxes, more weapons for the Armed Forces, strengthened links to the UK, ending the Kyoto treaty, siding with businesses whenever environmental activists complain on principle, strong support of Israel, near-slavish subjugation to the US in every important foreign policy arena, etc. The Greens strongly oppose all those positions. Yet many analyses claim that half of Green voters care about these issues so little that their second choice is the Conservative Party.

      What do you think happens more often: a fairly far-left activist whose so angry at NDP/Grit impurity on the issues (not their ineffectiveness in fighting for said issues as minority parties in a majority-Tory parliament), vents by claiming the Tories are his second choice to some idiot who doesn't understand human psychology; or that there actually exists large class of people whose first choice argues that a) LGBTQetc. rights are the moral issue of our time, c) the military should be shrunk to the minimum conceivable, c) Global Warming is a man-made disaster and EVERYTHING should immediately change to reduce it's impact, etc. but has as a second choice Stephen fucking Harper.

      As for your definition of Canadian left, in Canadian terms you are right. The Liberals define the center ground. OTOH in terms of English-speakers on the North American continent the Liberals are really truly fucking Liberal. Prior to the PC-Reform merger they could win because the moderates right-wing party had it's vote split. They even managed to turn their votes being split into an advantage, because they could use the NDP for cover to move left when they wanted to create Medicare and still play the moderate.

  3. Promis by handy_vandal · · Score: 4, Informative

    Promis:

    In the mid-1970s, Inslaw developed for the United States Department of Justice a highly efficient, people-tracking, computer program known as Prosecutor's Management Information System (Promis). Inslaw's principal owners, William Anthony Hamilton and his wife, Nancy Burke Hamilton, later sued the United States Government (acting as principal to the Department of Justice) for not complying with the terms of the Promis contract and for refusing to pay for an enhanced version of Promis once delivered. This allegation of software piracy led to three trials in separate federal courts and two congressional hearings.

    During ensuing investigations, the Department of Justice was accused of deliberately attempting to drive Inslaw into Chapter 7 liquidation; and of distributing and selling stolen software for covert intelligence operations of foreign governments such as Canada, Israel, Singapore, Iraq, Egypt, and Jordan; and of becoming directly involved in murder.

    Later developments implied that derivative versions of Enhanced Promis sold on the black market may have become the high-tech tools of worldwide terrorists such as Osama Bin Laden and international money launderers and thieves.

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  4. You assume there is a problem by paiute · · Score: 1

    The system is working just as the system wants to work. If you have money, it is kind to you. If you do not have money, it will grind you down and hopefully in the process transfer what little money you do have to the system.

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    1. Re:You assume there is a problem by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2

      I think for the most part you have that backwards. If you have money the system takes it from you, if you don't have money it will take your time from you.

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  5. Heaven forbid by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

    Robotic judges and robotic lawyers. Just what we need...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    1. Re:Heaven forbid by TWX · · Score: 1

      I was wondering if this Tales From and Parallel Universe / LEXX clip was going to appear...

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    2. Re:Heaven forbid by sconeu · · Score: 1

      The problem with robotic judges is that inevitably, you will get Robot Santa Syndrom.

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  6. the judicial system is working as designed by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    the delusion that you can get justice against the State when the STATE owns the court is fucking ludicrous.

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    1. Re:the judicial system is working as designed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That is simply not true.

      I have seen many laws overturned or re-written because the gov did not follow the law. I have had to re-write major portions of C code because of it.

      If money could buy yourself out of your sentence Pairs Hilton would not have gone to jail at all (she did make a good rich girl effort though). Did she get the same amount of time as everyone else for the same crime? No. But she still was held to those laws. Money just buys you a delay. It does not always get you out. Sometimes the delay is enough...

  7. Robots could by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Robots could dole out life sentences to the darker skinned accused without looking like they didnt check their white privilege.

  8. My two cents... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Technology probably isn't the key. But here is what I'd like to see...

    1. A constitutional right to privacy from arrest to conviction for those who choose such. That way good names don't get tainted. (Just look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_Solo#Arrest )
    2. An effort to make it more about reform than punishing people.
    3. Eliminate mandatory sentencing. Rename it as "suggested". I think one issue is granting smaller sentences to people you "favor", hence why mandatory sentencing perhaps was created?
    4. Start paying those who serve on juries (actually in the courtroom) minimum wage. (Or is this would be a financial disaster, only on days 3+.)
    5. We talk about requiring coding in schools. How about requiring something that might make a difference? A law course. Nothing big, but just to get people familiar with it as much as a 90 credit hour class would cover.
    6. The six-month thing required for jury trials in so many places should be scrapped. Allow a jury trial for any length of potential incarceration. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juries_in_the_United_States#Scope_of_constitutional_right

    1. Re:My two cents... by NicBenjamin · · Score: 2

      You're missing the point of the constitution if you think that privacy between arrest and conviction is what the Founders wanted.

      They weren't worried about a reputation being dragged through the mud, because if your reputation was dragged through the mud back in 1789 you could always move to another state and make it anew.

      They were very worried that the Second President would use the legal system to bully his opponents into submission and become a Dictator. Thus the Executive would have to document why he was investigating someone, much of the investigation couldn't be secret. They were worried that Obama could arrest Mitt Romney secretly, and then agree to drop charges against Mitt if he gave up his Presidential dreams, but nobody can talk about it because of Mitt's privacy...

      The way you get around this is make everything public record.

      Number 6 would actually make a lot of the things that the OP worries about worse, because if some rich kid could insist on a Jury trial for being caught with beer in his car, the Prosecutor probably shouldn't prosecute because he has a budget and a Jury trial for that shit ain't in it. OTOH the poor bastard whose public defender will deal with his case for two hours because he can only go away for two months and she got this other guy today who could go away for 15 years is fucked.

    2. Re:My two cents... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Eliminate mandatory sentencing. Rename it as "suggested". I think one issue is granting smaller sentences to people you "favor", hence why mandatory sentencing perhaps was created?

      The point of mandatory sentencing was to remove "undesireables" from society without calling the prisons poor houses. http://www.rollingstone.com/po... A guy sentenced to life for stealing $2.50 in socks. That was the minimum sentence for his situation.

    3. Re:My two cents... by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      Eliminate mandatory sentencing. Rename it as "suggested". I think one issue is granting smaller sentences to people you "favor", hence why mandatory sentencing perhaps was created?

      The point of mandatory sentencing was to remove "undesireables" from society without calling the prisons poor houses. http://www.rollingstone.com/po... A guy sentenced to life for stealing $2.50 in socks. That was the minimum sentence for his situation.

      It's politics. When something happens most of the Senate and House and the President had to go along with it. This means that frequently they vote the same way on a bill for opposite reasons.

      When mandatory sentencing was passed, for example, Conservatives liked the tough-on-crime angle. Liberals liked that Judges would no longer have the ability to let a pretty white middle-class girl off with a slap because she reminded the Judge of his daughter, while still sending black guys away for decades because they reminded him of this one scene in Birth of a Nation.

    4. Re:My two cents... by tranquilidad · · Score: 1

      Bullshit - he was sentenced to life for being a 3 strike criminal under the California penal code.

      Regardless of whether you like the general concept or not, no one was sentenced to life for a "minor" crime. The juries in all these cases had to decide additional questions beyond the initial crime for which he was arrested and charged.

      After voting for a conviction for the crime that caused an arrest the jury then had to come to another independent and unanimous decision on a second conviction for the crime of being a habitual criminal subject to life in prison.

      It was the jury's choice, given the information they were provided, to convict this person as a habitual criminal and that was what resulted in a 25-to-life sentence. The jury could have just as easily decided to acquit on that second charge.

    5. Re:My two cents... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technology probably isn't the key

      It won't solve all the problems, but it can certainly solve some. I would add to your list to allow defendants to "telecommute" to the trial depending on the severity of the crime the defendant is being accused of. Think situations like you're on vacation on the other coast, and a cop issues you a ticket for something. You want to fight it, but the trial is 3-6 months away, and you aren't going to fly/drive back just for that.

    6. Re:My two cents... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I saw nothing in the case I pointed to that indicated anything you say is true. I have a link to where a guy was sentenced to life for $2.50 in socks. You've given nothing but unsubstantiated opinion to counter documented fact.

    7. Re: My two cents... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kill yourself

    8. Re:My two cents... by tranquilidad · · Score: 1

      Here's the proposed law as voted on by California voters in 1994. You can go to page 64 to read it yourself.

      From the law, "...if a defendant has been convicted of a felony and it has been pled and proved that the defendant has one or more prior felony convictions, as defined in subdivision(b), the court shall adhere to each of the following:..."

      To be pled and proved means the district attorney has to present evidence to the jury that the defendant has committed the prior felonies that would impose the harsher sentences and the jury would have to agree; the jury would have to convict the defendant of violation of the three strikes law.

      My "opinion" is based on the text of the law and having first-hand knowledge of the jury instructions that go with a three-strikes trial.

      If those references aren't good enough for you then you can look at the following link to California Penal Code 1025(b) which reads:

      ...the question of whether or not the defendant has suffered the prior conviction shall be tried by the jury that tries the issue upon the plea of not guilty...

      I'll take the actual text of the law over your vaunted article in Rolling Stone. Didn't you notice a slightly biased position in the article you read?

    9. Re:My two cents... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Catch with a rehabilitative system versus a punitive punishment system is, what do you do with people who do not rehabilitate. So minimum length sentences with extensions for those who fail to rehabilitate and for those who will never rehabilitate, life extensions. Logical but a little harsh, well, for the person in question not so harsh for potential future victims. It is really horrible when a person is released after punitive punishment only to be further radicalised and then goes on to commit worse crimes until they are caught and prosecuted again. Fines should of course became percentages of annual income to ensure equal impact of the penalty and incarceration should be about approximate rehabilitation time for the offence and for the individual as well as mitigating risk implied by the individual repeating those actions or worse.

      High court judges should be appointed with their qualifications reviewed as well as questionable paid associations and they should be a one time thing for a set term, definitely not more than a decade.

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    10. Re:My two cents... by dryeo · · Score: 1

      For some contrast, in Canada the Constitutional limit for trail by jury is 5 years. Maximum sentence 5 years less a day, no jury. Maximum sentence 5 years plus a day, the defendant can elect trial by jury, his choice. No sentence is exactly 5 years.
      Not sure how I feel about this, in some ways it is good, especially as generally we have good judges in Canada. On the other hand, a jury seems like a right. For civil cases you have to (partially?) pay for the jury and is rare I believe but I'm not very knowledgeable on civil trials.

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    11. Re:My two cents... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my country:

      1. A constitutional right to privacy ...

      Not constitutional but done.

      2. An effort to make it more about reform ...

      Recently it's been about converting criminals into revenue streams. The civil forfeiture laws we got last year help. So does turning a lot of mis-demeanours, requiring a court hearing, into infringements, requiring a fine.

      3. Eliminate mandatory sentencing.

      See above. The problem is now, repeat offenders almost never go to jail. And if jail is mandatory, long sentences are rare. If the criminal is a woman, the sentence is even shorter.

      5. ... A law course.

      With some 65 anti-terror laws on the books, the first thing a student in my country will learn is, how much unfettered power the government has. When an American school started teaching the arrest process to students, the police complained that it's not a school's job to teach the law.

    12. Re:My two cents... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Catch with a rehabilitative system versus a punitive punishment system is, what do you do with people who do not rehabilitate.

      Actually no, that's not the catch. You start with people who made the decision to pursue crime. Now put them in prison. What's changed? Two things: first, they now know what prison is like; two, they now have a criminal record. In order for rehabilitation to work, the desire to avoid prison has to outweigh the increased difficulty in getting a job for people with a criminal record.

      Despite popular misconception, it's not difficult to get an education without going to prison. So offering prisoners a chance to get an education doesn't help them that much. It just makes them equal with their previous circumstances -- which ended up with them in prison. Every rehabilitative fix is better applied *before* prison.

      The most successful purpose of a prison is not to punish (which is actually two purposes: deterrence and retribution) nor to rehabilitate. It's to incapacitate. While in prison, criminals aren't out in the world committing crimes. The second most effective purpose is retribution; non-criminals usually don't take vengeance on criminals. They expect the system to do that for them. Rehabilitation and deterrence are far behind those. Not because they aren't important but because they are difficult. Deterrence doesn't work because criminals don't expect to get caught. Rehabilitation fails because so little changes.

      None of this is to say that we shouldn't pursue rehabilitation. Just don't expect that it will be suddenly effective. If rehabilitation worked, then it already would be. It's not like every state is run by tough on crime Republicans. In fact, the most crime-ridden areas are run by Democrats.

    13. Re:My two cents... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That minimum wage comment is actually really spot on. I was on a jury once. Everyone realized that they could get out of there faster if they just said he was guilty. It came down to just me to keep an innocent man out of jail for 3 years just because a few people were missing a few hours of work. The ones who were fretting were those who made close to minimum wage anyway, so minimum wage (or something close to it) is probably enough to calm everyone down. For cost savings, it could even be selective and only for those who make less than a certain amount on their previous year's tax returns. They grew very hostile towards me, yelling in my face and made me feel unsafe in that room, so I can definitely understand why most juries would go the wrong way.

  9. Move to Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's the only option.

  10. Improve or "improve" by Culture20 · · Score: 2

    Whose metric? Does improvement mean fewer false convictions or more convictions? Does improvement mean conviction rates remain the same but everyone gets a lollipop?

    1. Re:Improve or "improve" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, things that I would consider improvements would be:
        - Reduced legal costs
        - (Related) faster time to hear and decide cases
        - (Related) better resources for laypeople to understand the law on their own behalf.

      Something like an accessible, searchable database of legal cases. These exist in book form and there are some online resources, but cataloguing and indexing the whole history in every state and district, going back to 1783 or whenever, would be a huge step towards de-mystifying the law.

  11. Crowdsourced Pantopticon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem with a 24/7 panopticon is the lack of democratic ownership of the data. Google Glass was a fantastic missed opportunity to put the power of video recording on demand in the hands of every person. There will be future opportunities though.

    With 24/7 recording of every event, human action, dialogue, and conversation: the problem of finding justice is a question of the sum of all evidence available outweighing the competing evidence to the benefit of the righteous party. When everyone is guilt, backroom negotiations where the weight of the evidence is haggled over decide the outcome of the case before any embarrassment is necessary as a matter of public record. The past 6 years of my life are meticulously documented as a result of never deleting anything and living through my PC. When a question of facts arises, I can locate and quote the records verbatim as required to support my position, or at least bring clarity to the issue.

    With the benefit of 24/7 video recording: there is no hearsay. The most damning video compilation showing contemptible behavior tips the case in the favor of the morally righteous, or at least: legally savy.

  12. Yes, a variety of ways by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

    The judicial system is, at heart, a method of resolving disputes. Sometimes those are disputes between civilians (civil suits) and sometimes they are criminal cases, disputes between people and the state.

    The most obvious and easy place to start is with small claims courts. Commercial arbitration handles many disputes that would otherwise end up in small claims courts, but we don't exploit this anywhere near enough. Most people just rely on their bank to act as a dispute mediator via the credit card chargeback mechanism, but this is a one-size-fits-all solution and banks are often not good at mediating disputes. There's lots of fraud and problematic outcomes.

    The place where most of the better-law-through-tech research is happening right now is the Bitcoin community, because of the general focus on decentralisation, global trade and frequent desire to avoid relying on government. So we have for example BitRated which is a platform for doing dispute mediated Bitcoin transactions, where anyone can be the dispute mediator. So you can get a fluid, international market of specialised judges who are experts in very particular types of transactions, like software contracts etc where "I didn't get software of sufficient quality" is not a dispute that makes sense to handle via a chargeback. And it can all happen over the internet.

    That's a very simple example. More complex examples involve specifying a contract in the form of a computer program and then effectively having the program be the "judge". I wrote about how to implement this, again with Bitcoin, several years ago. The technology is not that complicated actually. The hard part is figuring out the right user interfaces to make it easy. Presumably only very simple and precise contracts could be managed that way, so there's still open research in how to craft these digital contracts such that you can escape back to human judgement if there's an exceptional case.

    When it comes to criminal rather than commercial cases, probably the best way to apply technology to reduce costs is to allow remote lawyering. That is, you should be able to outsource your legal representation to someone who isn't physically present. They may be rather good and experienced, but just lives out in rural areas or in a country where the cost of living is cheaper. The issue here is not really technical but rather just institutional inertia.

    The UK is putting its judicial system under tremendous financial pressure at the moment, to the extent that some criminal cases are just being abandoned because there's insufficient money to run them. They're (finally!) starting to experiment with allowing small claims court cases to be resolved over the phone, and also looking at decriminalising TV license violations to reduce pressure on the system. But you get the idea - the judicial system innovates extremely slowly even when being sliced to the bone. So don't hold your breath.

    1. Re:Yes, a variety of ways by dkf · · Score: 1

      The UK is putting its judicial system under tremendous financial pressure at the moment, to the extent that some criminal cases are just being abandoned because there's insufficient money to run them. They're (finally!) starting to experiment with allowing small claims court cases to be resolved over the phone, and also looking at decriminalising TV license violations to reduce pressure on the system. But you get the idea - the judicial system innovates extremely slowly even when being sliced to the bone. So don't hold your breath.

      They're also moving the low-level courts to use a lot more technology to support them, things like video links so remand prisoners do not need to be brought to court, tablet computers with the legal texts on them in searchable form, that sort of thing. These are the sorts of things that technology can definitely help with, even though they definitely change the nature of justice somewhat.

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  13. Decision helper program by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    guilt = ( rand() & 1 ) ? "Yes" : "No";

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    1. Re:Decision helper program by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      guilt = ( blowjobwasgood() ) ? "Yes" : "No";

  14. Technology can't by NicBenjamin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The problem with the Judicial system is partly a reflection of it's fundamental design, and partly a reflection of current American culture.

    Take the design issue. We have an adversarial system rather then an Inquisitorial system. This means that your defense is up to you, the government's sole job is to convict you, and the Judge's only job is to call balls and strikes. Which means that if you're poor in America, and you don't have a lawyer who can go over every single piece of evidence with a fine-tooth comb for Fourth Amendment violations, then de facto you don't have Fourth Amendment rights. The Judge is not allowed to force your lawyer to triple-check that the cops didn't fudge the info they put on a warrant application, your public defender probably only has 8 hours to deal with your entire case, so you're fucked. In France and some other countries the Judge is allowed a more active role, but to do that you have to give him more active role in the investigation, at which point the system becomes an Inquisitorial system. And in the US we're reflexively Protestant, so we insist on remembering the Evils of the Spanish Inquisition (just as Queen Elizabeth I intended) and that's a non-starter.

    Note that this means that the only way a Judge has to convict somebody with really food rules lawyers in the US is think his way around Constitutional rights in ways rules lawyers can't counter (for example, the "good faith exception" to the Fourth Amendment says the cop had to know that he was violating the Fourth Amendment to get evidence thrown out) or nobody who makes more then $80k would ever be convicted. The muddle class thinks it always looks innocent, so $80k guy can can easily beat probable cause. But then there's a precedent the guy making $20k can't afford to reason around.

    And there's the ridiculous amounts of money we pay people with PhD-level degrees in lucrative fields, and a legal degree (or a Juris Doctorate) is one of those degrees. you make it virtually impossible to give every defendant a lawyer who has a week to devote to his case. The money to pay the lawyers does not exist, the lawyers themselves do not exist, etc.

    The "looks innocent" thing is huge. In NYC until De Blasio took office it was routine for cops to stop every young black man in the city once a year on the basis he was pretty sure said young black man had a gun in his pocket and was going to pull it out and start a murder spree. The warrantless search almost never turned up a weapon, does not seem to have ever prevented a murder spree, and was entirely justified by legal paperwork the cop filed when he was back at the station. It resulted in black men into weed losing most Federal financial aid (because they were convicted of drug crimes), including student loans, and thus being ineligible for most colleges. And yet when a Judge ruled that shit violated the Fourth Amendments fairly explicit right to be secure about one's person, she got reprimanded by the Appeals Court.

    The basic fact is the Founders took a system that was literally designed solely to protect the Nobility from commoners (in English Law, for example, "Peer" is the word for "nobleman", so a "Jury of your Peers" means a Jury made up of nobleman of your own rank) back in the UK, added some Amendments so their new King-stand-in couldn't use said system to prevent himself from being voted out of office, and called it a day. If you want it to be fairer to people who don't have $250k lawyer budgets you'll need to make good legal help cheap, which probably won't happen unless you change the job market so that people with $250k legal budgets are much rarer. The $250k will get them a very convincing actor with legal skills for the jury trial, and it will get them people with mediocre acting skills to go over the paperwork of the investigation in very close detail and determine what can be excluded, which Juror is most likely to vote innocent, etc. while still having $15k to pay for expert testimony.

    1. Re:Technology can't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh that's cool: "the Elvis of Inquisition". And all because you decided to use a capital E.

    2. Re:Technology can't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Restorative justice and therapeutic jurisprudence are legal ideas to move away from adversarial systems. They have been shown to save the community costs be massively reducing repeat offending, at the expense of lawyers and other legal workers who are less involved in the justice process. Governments are interested in the cost savings of restorative justice but not so much the legal fraternities who have a large financial stake in the current status quo.

      You are right, the system is the problem and technology cannot fix broken systems but only make working ones more efficient.

    3. Re:Technology can't by chihowa · · Score: 1

      A Juris Doctor, just like a Doctor of Medicine, is not a PhD level degree. They're professional degrees that most often don't even require a bachelor's degree to obtain. The PhD equivalent in the field of law is the Doctor of Judicial Science, which depends on a Master of Laws degree and a JD.

      A bit tangent to your point, but a useful thing to know when thinking about the practice of law.

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    4. Re:Technology can't by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      "Restorative Justice" would be very difficult to make work in practice for serious crimes. It's actually a fairly major component of Sharia law, so countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia already use it. One problem is that if both the victim and the the victimizer get to get together and decide what the punishment is, the rich have lots of ways to buy their forgiveness. They also have lots of ways to punish victims for insisting that RichieRichVandal personally repaint your fence. It could be useful for low-level property crime, but there'd have to be a way to kick offenders up to the old-style Court system.

      There's a reason that Restorative Justice is used by pretty much every tribal society. Everyone's more-or-less equal in economic and political power (and is also cousin to everyone else) so nobody has the economic/political might to pull off a more regulatory model, and the point of the Justice system is not to be Just but rather to ensure that Clan Gregor and Clan Campbell aren't so busy feuding over some ridiculous crap that happened 97 years ago that the Irish can sweep in and enslave everyone. When you get a more productive economy a) somebody has the power to introduce fairness to the system which means iron-rules, which are necessary because b) it becomes trivial for the political and economic elite to game the system.

    5. Re: Technology can't by Peyna · · Score: 1

      Every ABA accredited JD program in the US requires you to first have a bachelor's degree at a minimum.

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    6. Re: Technology can't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every ABA accredited JD program in the US requires you to first have a bachelor's degree at a minimum.

      The ABA is in a position of ethical conflict of interest with respect to policies that limit the number of people who can practice law.

      It is still possible in a number of states to practice law through an apprenticeship that does not involve completing a JD (which is the historical system, something that would have been familiar to many of the Founding Fathers). It is quite rare for people to pursue this option today, however.

      Some states, such as California, have state accredited and unaccredited schools that confer law degrees, and provide the training needed to take the bar exam, without requiring one meet the ABA requirements. This is also historical.

      The ABA, of course, hates the other options. Most legal professionals have a very good understanding of the economic concept that limiting supply and artificially increasing demand for their services allows them to charge a lot more money (and provides better job security) then would otherwise be the case. As a class in society, they actively work both approaches, which is one of the reasons the US legal system is such a disaster. It's not a conspiracy, but rather a case of amoral individuals looking out for their own interests. The fact that most politicians (and many staff members, including the people that actually write most of the laws!) are legal professionals makes the lobbying needed to accomplish this kind of thing fairly easy.

  15. Allow jurors to Skype in by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    In my rural county, some jurors must travel 100 miles each way to Superior Court. Jury quality suffers because so many potential jurors wash out on the economic burden questions, shrinking the pool to a small core of the nearby retired. Allowing jurors to remote in would be a real help. This doesn't have to mean attending from home; if control of the juror's environment becomes a problem, have remote jury rooms at branch libraries and police stations.

    1. Re:Allow jurors to Skype in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol first prostitutes got skype as their main means to get to "customers", now jurors too.

  16. The system is mostly okay by laing · · Score: 2

    The problem is that federal prosecutors are appointed by the executive branch (DOJ, but the under the president) and are selected for, and instructed to pursue the political agenda of their superiors. Each prosecutor also has their own political agenda. The prosecutor that went after Swartz (Carmen Ortiez) has a reputation for this sort of thing. The best way to fix the system would be coming up with some non-partisan method to select/appoint/elect the prosecutors and perhaps even the attorney general. The way things are right now the president is nearly immune from any legal oversight, but can bring the full wrath of the USDOJ upon his/her enemies. I don't claim to have a solution, but perhaps if we moved DOJ under the control of the SCOTUS things might improve somewhat.

    1. Re:The system is mostly okay by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      My proposal is rotating judgeship. Everyone who successfully passes the bar exam is put in a pool until they choose to retire (at which point they can no longer practice unless they rejoin the pool). Then the judge for a given case is chosen randomly out of everyone in the pool within a 25-mile radius, with an automatic redraw if the chosen judge is one of the attorneys involved in the case.

      For the DA, have five of them in any given district working as equals, and require them to vote on whether to prosecute each case (i.e. if only one or two prosecutors want to "get that guy", the case doesn't move forward). From there, they can fight amongst themselves about who actually does the prosecution. Then require all the lawyers within a voting district to caucus once every two years to choose those five DAs from among their ranks. Enforce a strict two-term limit to ensure that people don't make a career out of being the DA.

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    2. Re:The system is mostly okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it that you, and so many others on Slashdot, want to randomly select judges and then complain that the judges in technology cases have no understanding of the issues?

      Judges are experts in "Law" the same way scientists are experts in "Science" - in other words, not at all. There are lots of very specific and complicated fields under the broad category of "Law", and it is basically impossible for one person to be an expert in all of them. So judges, like everyone else, specialize in something. That's why you have criminal trial judges, and small claims court judges, and judges that sit for financial cases, or immigration cases, and so on.

    3. Re:The system is mostly okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One real problem is federal prosecutors. They charge crimes that the feds have no authority to make criminal based upon bizarre interpretations of the commerce clause that inverts its meaning. They charge crimes for actions that did not occur in any place where the feds have jurisdiction. They routinely overcharge. They routinely withhold exculpatory evidence and are allowed, by federal statute, to not tell the defendant who they will call as witnesses against him nor what the witness will say. Makes defense virtually impossible. Then you have federal judges who routinely deny bail for people who pose no threat of violence. about 93% of federal cases result in guilty pleas without ever going to a trial. This is not because federal law enforcement are so good or ethical or because federal prosecutors are that good. In fact, they follow the general pattern common to all government employees: the majority, by far, are less competent than their private sector counterparts The deck, however, is stacked completely in their favor. We have 25% of the world's prison population because it is an industry that employs thousands of police, correctional officers, bailiffs, judges, prosecutors, public defenders, court reporters, etc. all of whom have a vested interest in keeping the corrupt wheel turning. The real problem is that our governments pass too many laws that criminalize too much behavior.

    4. Re:The system is mostly okay by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Fair enough. In cities with a sufficiently large pool of lawyers, randomly select the judges for each case from the pool of lawyers who specialize in that particular area of law. The goal of randomization isn't to eliminate specialization, but rather to take most of the politics out of the process by ensuring that all qualified individuals have an equal chance of taking a particular case.

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  17. what about tech jurors that know stuff about IT by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    what about tech jurors that know stuff about IT for some court cases.

    1. Re:what about tech jurors that know stuff about IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here in Seattle, they usually get picked for juries. Microsoft pays your full salary while serving a jury, so the lazy morons that work there fight to get on juries. Also, it means they can't get out of the jury with the economic hardship excuse. So, the juries here are filled with drooling moron Republicans that hate us and want us to die. Going to court here means you're going to get screwed by Microsoft. The last two juries I served on, the Microsoft drones said guilty without even paying attention to the facts. As usual with Republicans, they believed the police absolutely. They wanted to execute a shopliftere, as is the way of their kind.

    2. Re:what about tech jurors that know stuff about IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was on a jury for a DV case in Seattle, and the Microsoft drones laughed out loud at the victim's description of getting beaten. They hate women and want them to die. They are so stupid. That is why their Microsoft TV channel MSNBC is so hateful to women. They hate us. They used to be somewhat neutral, but all they do now is spout the Republican talking points that promote DV.

  18. Technology is not the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Common Law is just not a very good system. It had its time and place, but Civil Law is much better. The outcome of a trial is more predictable, there is better separation of powers and the whole system just makes much more sense.

  19. Video proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and even then it should be used to augment the evidence at hand, not supplant it.

  20. Personally... by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    ...I'd like to see technology deliver a true veil of ignorance between juries and prosecutor/defendant/court.
    It would be the job of prosecutor, defendant (under the eye of the judge) to present a basic outline of events with neuter models in a visualized space. Witnesses could be questioned and cross examined in real time, but with the judge having a time delay circuit allowing the to excise any non relevant information to the case...defendant would not be a white man or black woman, just "defendant", etc.

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    1. Re:Personally... by Maxwell'sSilverLART · · Score: 1

      How would you prosecute a rape case without the jury assuming the accused was male and the victim female?

      How would you prosecute a child abuse case without admitting that the victim is, indeed, a child?

      How would you prosecute an aggravated assault case without showing the disparity of force between assailant and victim (or, conversely, how would you defend a the case without allowing the accused to present disparity of force as justifying his defensive actions)?

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    2. Re:Personally... by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying to strip ALL information away, but certainly in the above cases, none of them would be improved, from an objective point of view, by the jury knowing the ethnicity of either party, for example?
      Or by being able to tell, by a person's language, accent, or clothing what economic demographic they come from?

      Obviously, some information critical to the exposition of the case would be necessary. I'm saying to use technology to strip away the inessentials as much as possible, to remove the widely recognized racial, social, and economic biases everyone brings into the jury box.

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  21. be carefulw hat you wish for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You might end up with a Baby Cooper Dollar Bill.

  22. Some laws by angelbar · · Score: 1

    Need to be nuked

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  23. It mostly can't by Kjella · · Score: 1

    Technology can only make you aware of the law, rules of evidence and relevant precedents and possibly coming up with some convincing illustrations / presentations / simulations to aid your case. It can't fix the letter of the law or how the legal process works, particular not where you're dealing with statutory damages, mandatory sentencing guidelines and so on, it can't help you get expert witnesses, it can't cross-examine witnesses, honestly the legal process is mostly a person-to-person thing. In the legal system, tech doesn't do you much good. Unless you're talking about using tech to evade the legal system, but I assume that's an entirely different question.

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  24. Real forensics *science* by Cytotoxic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is much to be done, but a great place to start would be moving to an independent system of true forensics science. In our current system, the forensics people work for the prosecution. They are not blinded as to what the police and prosecutor think about the crime or potential perpetrators. Much of what passes for "science" in the courtroom has absolutely no scientific basis, despite their "Frye Standard" of evaluating scientific evidence. There is very little research into the accuracy of forensics conclusions.

    Radley Balko over at the Washington Post just published a 4 part series on the flawed science of bite mark analysis. Our system is so increadibly screwed up that even getting caught on video tape framing an innocent man using junk "science" that has been discredited by actual scientific research isn't enough to get the courts and prosecutors to consider the possibility that they might have an innocent man in jail. The series is well worth the read, and if you really want to get your blood pressure up, follow the links to individual cases down a rathole of righteous indignation.

    1. Re:Real forensics *science* by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      The main answer to this is multi-faceted:

      1. Removed absolute immunity from civil and criminal liability from all players in the criminal justice system. Yes, that means you can sue the judge who screwed up your trial. Suddenly a lot of people who are judges now will find another line of work as the liability isn't worth it for them.

      2. Hone qualified immunity back to such a tiny nub that nobody sees it as a reliable fallback. Right now, if a police officer arrests you for, say, photographing them (yes, this happens often) the judge will look and say "well, it's not well established that someone can photograph a cop, so the arrest is still legal because the cop might have no known. Hence, he gets qualified immunity" This needs to be turned on its head. The judge needs to say "it's not well-established that someone can be arrested for photographing a cop, so the arrest is illegal and qualified immunity therefore cannot apply". See the difference? Again, cops would think twice before doing something.

      3. Statutorily define that when an actor in the justice system does something wrong that he/she personally is responsible for a certain percentage of any settlements or judgements with such debt being ineligible to be lessened or removed through bankruptcy.

      4. Remove the statute of limitations for any crimes committed by any actor in the justice system. Right now, innocent people who have been in prison for years can't sue people who harmed them because of the statute of limitations which typically runs out during their sentence. See John Burge in Chicago for a prime example, or Louis Scarcella in New York. Malicious prosecutors love the whole statute of limitations because they get to play both sides: "Hey, we want to prosecute this criminal but, darn the luck, looks like it's too late".

      5. Force actual scientific method on all forensic methodologies. If a drug dog alerts on a car, for instance, that car should be parked in a lot and a different officer should take a dog around the lot and see if the dog alerts on any of the cars. If the second officer can't figure out which car it is, then the alert was false and excluded. Take that to every kind of forensic test out there.

      6. Forensics should have nothing to do with the prosecution and independent (not state owned) crime labs should work for the court itself. The idea is to remove all incentives to "find a match". Crime labs should have no idea about what crime a particular piece of evidence is from or anything like that.

      7. If somebody is found to be factually innocent then everybody involved in the case who didn't initially object to that person's prosecution should be removed from the criminal justice system. I know that's harsh, but prosecutors need to be in a position where they say "I don't know if this guy did it or not so, for the sake of my family, house, car, etc. I'm going to decline prosecution".

      8. Prosecution's files should be not just "open" but literally unhidable from the defense. Any evidence that shows up later should be an automatic felony charge for the DA with harsh minimum sentences.

      The point is that we need to treat a false prosecution with the same seriousness as we treat a kidnapping, because that's what it is. Mike Nifong should not only be in a maximum security prison for the rest of his life, his possessions should have been sold and all proceeds given to his victims (the ones we know of). All his past cases should have been scrutinized with perhaps time given off his sentence if he confessed and helped bring true justice in those cases.

      And he's just one guy.

    2. Re:Real forensics *science* by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 2

      One other thing that I forgot is the biggy - if people are found to be factually innocent then the DA's office needs to be forced to pay for their defense. Yes - specifically the DA's office. And it wouldn't matter what the defense cost. If that means the DA is bankrupted then so be it. The point, again, is to make it expensive to prosecute some poor guy because he can't afford a lawyer. If he can prove innocence then a good lawyer would take the case on so he could later just make the government pay for it, anyway. Suddenly, poor people who are innocent have less to worry about.

    3. Re:Real forensics *science* by Cytotoxic · · Score: 1

      I see you are a fellow traveler on the Don Quixote side of life. Nice too see you on the lunatic fringe.

      You'd think that "don't throw innocent people in jail if you can help it" would be a mainstream idea.... but, not so much. Pretty close to zero interest in such things from team red and team blue. Only true wackaloons are even aware of the problem to any great degree.

    4. Re:Real forensics *science* by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      Yep. The point is that "bad forensics" isn't the problem. The problem is that prosecutors (along with the rest of the criminal justice system) have no incentive to actually solve crimes - they have an incentive to put someone in jail for a crime. Bad forensics goes away on its own if we disincentivize locking up the wrong guy. Put another way - when the prosecutor has a little skin in the game he'll make damned sure he's prosecuting the criminal before he bothers to prosecute.

      There was a great quora question about prosecution and a guy who prosecuted someone in a rather dubious manner responded with a well-written piece. Long story short the criminal had taken an airsoft gun into an arcade, cops were called, arrested him, and the prosecutor tried to prosecute under a law that had to do with carrying a deadly weapon there. But it wasn't a deadly weapon and there were no victims (he hadn't tried to rob or shoot anybody), so the statute clearly didn't apply. The prosecutor talked as if it were no big deal to try to apply that law to put the guy in prison. Ultimately the judge didn't buy it and the guy walked, but he had to shell out for an attorney, time off work, time in jail - it's a big deal for him.

      It was fascinating to see how flippantly the prosecutor treated it - like, "oh well, didn't work, whatever".

  25. In Mexico by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In Mexico, where I live, notwithstanding the judiciary system is bad, there have been some recent technological improvements:

    1) Since some years ago you can check for judiciary notifications regarding a case online. It works all of the time in federal level courts and sometimes in state level courts. You can also receive the writ of sentencing online for non penal cases.

    2) At the federal level you can request a free cryptographic certificate (as a citizen or lawyer) and use that to communicate electronically with the courts and file certain types of procedures (such as requesting constitutional protection or challenging the constitutionality of a law ['trial of Amparo']).

    3) In many states you can file reports to the police or the prosecutor online, and they assign a case number and follow through as if it was filed personally.

    Also, in Mexican law the right of sharing cultural and intellectual property with others is more important than the right of profiting from it. So you can legally (as long as there is no profit involved) share, copy, and download any kind of copyrighted work, it is a right specifically enshrined by the law, and specially to educational works, which can be copied freely and without restriction.

  26. Forget technology. by EdwardFurlong · · Score: 1

    Just work on fixing the system.

  27. Allow felony defendants to Skype in too by czth · · Score: 1

    Not just jurors; for anything short of a felony, let the victim, er, I mean defendant, remote in too.

    A lot of people, especially poorer and with more time-demanding jobs (think retail, fast food, etc. compared to office jobs where in many it's no big deal if you're gone half a day if you make up the time) or less ability to travel (gas is cheaper now, but not free, or many may not have a car and in most of the US public transit is lousy) just can't fight even basic traffic tickets and have to pay the fine and increased insurance costs. They can't wait around for the entire day to be called at 4:59pm.If they could attend remotely (wouldn't even need to be from their computer; friend or library or pay-for-use station at FedEx may work too) that would make it easier to attend.

    Of course, making it easier to fight them would make it more likely that the state would lose, and so they'd never go for it. But it might get a trial in more adventurous/advanced locations such as New Hampshire.

  28. Easy... by zawarski · · Score: 1

    ... don't get caught.

  29. Re:You're trolling, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because I've never heard the phrase "death panel" uttered by anyone having an IQ above room temperature or Sarah Palin, the originator of that myth.

    Catchy phrases are no substitute for knowledge and thoughtfulness.

  30. One trial fo each crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They charge you with murder and having a gun, life or 1 year ,this is extortion.
           

  31. It's harder in a democracy by Archtech · · Score: 1

    It's funny that the summary starts with "One of the cornerstones of any democracy is its judicial system". That's true of all forms of society/government; it is absolutely not limited to democracies. So why bring democracy into it - except that it's one of the holy words of our society, a word that stuns everyone into instant acquiescence and worship?

    One can make a strong case that justice is particularly hard to come by in a democracy, as opposed to a monarchy or a true aristocracy. The distinguishing feature of real democracy is that the people as a whole wield supreme power. So a majority can carry out any act, no matter how illogical, unethical, or downright disgraceful. Such as the execution of Socrates, for instance. Or the decision to execute the admirals of the Athenian fleet after the battle of Arginusae - which was rescinded the following day, when the people changed their minds.

    You can see a similar pattern in the USA, where many prosecutors are elected by the people. This leads them to pursue popularity at all costs - and, in a populous society where most electors will never get to meet the actual candidate, popularity is usually sought by lighting up the media with sensational news. How many miscarriages of justice have been perpetrated because a prosecutor wanted to make a name for himself? And of course the prosecutor is not held responsible, because his job is only to argue the case for conviction. If someone is wrongly found guilty, that is the fault of the defence, the jury, the judge, the police who made up evidence or concealed exonerating evidence... and anyway, it's all forgotten the next week.

    Probably the best place to start constructing a good judicial system is with a genuine concern for justice. It has been well observed that, in any country that has a Ministry of Justice or something similar, justice itself will be conspicuous by its absence. (Just as any corporation that has an "ethics committee" has probably forgotten what the word "ethics" means). Honest people know what's right, but given enough bureaucracy and laws - assisted by thousands of career-minded functionaries - we get today's situation where any lawyer can tell you that the law has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with justice.

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  32. The average person should be able to quickly... by AtlanticCarbon · · Score: 2

    ...find out what the law is on a given subject. The current case-law system worked for a limited network of courts and practitioners (in England) who could refer to older cases for jurisprudence. Now, you have to pay thousands of dollars to have access to digital/searchable caselaw in a sprawling network of courts across a continent. In a democracy people should know what the law says.

  33. The jury by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Jury size and composition were defined using 18th century statistics. Voir dire - the jury selection process was intended to be a variation on cake cutting that removes bias but it is so stunningly gamed. Justice is now about how much money you have for the law firm. Law and crime are now a function of cash. The reason for this is that defense lawyers stunningly game the system. They reject anyone with a brain, anyone that isn't "vote innocent". That is not the same thing as justice - it is war, not truth.

    Electronic means allow jury sizes that 1) account for bias so that - as George Carlin says it - "think of how dumb the average person is, now realize that half of all people are dumber than that" is not the measure of justice. Idiocracy no longer has to define the jury. In our hyper-surveillance culture the biases can be known and accounted for with a weight in the vote. 2) improve sample size. The size of the jury was a "necessary but sufficient" rule contrived when horse-drawn carriages were the norm and literacy was not. With larger sample sizes it is harder to "cherry pick" the few most likely to vote your way. In many places a measure of the sample statistic (taken from a subset) approaches the population statistic in the limit of "sufficient samples". This can make sure that there isn't a "hung jury" based on a limited outlier that the defense attorney was lucky enough to cherry pick. They can instead sample the actual opinion of the population given the prosecution and defense cases - the original intended function of current approach to justice.

    I find it repugnant that our current system is fundamentally corrupt enough that a good lawyer can extort/blackmail egregious sums from criminals and prove them innocent when they are not. The idea of justice is so devastated that in the minds of lawyers it means "what can be proved" and no longer means "the truth about what was actually done". I would really like to see that resolved.

  34. Improving efficiency by afgam28 · · Score: 1

    One of the big problems with the legal system is how inefficient and time consuming it is. We live in a world where just threatening legal action can put a big question mark over someone's financial future. To do anything, you need to pay for the services of expensive lawyers and paralegals. So this naturally puts the wealthy, big corporations and big government agencies at an advantage.

    You can see how inefficient the judicial system is just by looking at how much paper they produce. They literally have to wheel boxes of documents into court with carts. Armies of paralegals have to manually sift through the documents by hand. It's really one of the most conservative and backwards industries out there.

    The most obvious way that technology can help is by increasing efficiency and leveling the playing field. The ideas are not new (e.g. http://www.amazon.com/dp/01995...) and I think eventually law firms and courts will learn to leverage technology and make their services more accessible. Making information more accessible will also help shoot down abusers of the legal system (e.g. in invaliding bad patents - http://www.joelonsoftware.com/...).

  35. Slippery slope by vinn · · Score: 1

    Do you really want more efficiency? Even the simplest technology adoption would help immensely help that group of self-serving luddites. How about using email to mail copies of documents in advance of actual signed copies? How about using electronic records for managing cases? How about sharing information between jurisdictions? How about better surveillance equipment so we can simply have better evidence? WHOA.. wait.. maybe not some of those.. Hm.. maybe this is a slippery slope and you should be careful what you wish for.

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    1. Re:Slippery slope by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Surveillance can be a valid solution to some problems. Cop cameras are a good case - accusations of police abusing their position to intimidate or threaten people are commonplace, but often difficult to prove because the sector has a culture of protecting their own. Giving every police car and officer a camera could be a way to solve that one: Police are going to behave much better when they know they might face real consequences for their actions.

      It only works if you have means in place to ensure defense has access to the evidence and prevent tampering though. It's no good if every attempt to retrieve proof of wrongdoing by the police just reveals that the camera 'happened' to be broken that day, or someone forgot to turn it on, or the government claims revealing the footage could compromise another investigation.

    2. Re:Slippery slope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting story: my wife was arrested a few years ago for a DUI. It was New Year's Eve: she wasn't driving, she wasn't even in a vehicle, and didn't have keys on her. We had stopped to help some folks who's car slid off the road in a snowstorm - I was driving, the cops showed up as I was helping to rig up a tow strap, she had been drinking - it was New Years after all. It was a completely bogus charge - it went to court and the judge ruled it was absolutely nuts they arrested her. No conviction.

      We had a lot of interesting pieces of evidence from cameras and audio recordings inside the cop car. However, there was one damaging thing - on the initial 5 minute drive, my wife said the arresting officer was bragging to the other officer. Apparently it was a slow night and by transporting her from the local town to the county jail (over an hour away) in the town he also lived in, he could basically drive home "on the clock" and get home an hour early. We have every recording of everything else, but the recording device was conveniently off during that part.

    3. Re:Slippery slope by witherstaff · · Score: 1

      An interesting tech improvement would be every individual wearing a body camera like the cops, so you don't get these missing moments or can show unedited truth. I hope those bad apples got fired for bringing false charges. In the ideal world they should be charged.

  36. get rid of most of the laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's too easy to end up in prison for doing nothing wrong. Americans hate freedom and want everything to be illegal.

  37. A lawyer's perspective by wattersa · · Score: 1

    I'm in my tenth year of practice in California handling general civil litigation. I can try to share a few key points that won't get me in trouble with my peers or area judges.

    -- Every state should implement a PACER-like system where the public has remote access to all court records and can download all the PDFs they want for a small fee, 24/7. PACER/ECF is the Federal system for accessing and filing court documents, and it makes it really convenient when you can review an entire case file without physically going to the courthouse as you have to do in most state courts. The cost of implementing PACER with every state court system would be astronomical, but it would also provide astronomical benefits to the public. For one, the public (or more likely the legal section of the local news media) would be able to verify or refute bullshit public relations statements made by lawyers by reviewing the actual case filings.

    -- Absent a full PACER/ECF implementation, every court system in a state should be linked to a centralized repository of searchable metadata instead of the current patchwork of incompatible systems for searching records. In California there are fifty-eight separate counties, each with its own Superior Court. This means each court has its own system for storing and accessing court records. Some aren't even searchable online; you have to go there in person. It makes it really difficult to conduct research on a particular case or client. Also, this is one reason why the private legal providers WestLaw and Lexis have services that I can't do without-- without a unified system, these private providers are the only way to sensibly aggregate and organize judicial opinions.

    -- Lawyers should make better use of technology in their practices and lower their hourly rates as a result. I wrote my own calendaring software a few years ago that gave me a fully electronic calendar (until I started using Google calendar, which is a big improvement). I also run a paperless office with no permanent support staff and with a tiny physical office. This means I can make deals on my hourly rate with savvy clients so that we both win, and I can scale my practice appropriately so that I don't make big financial commitments and then not meet them. Some lawyers use electronic practice management software like Rocket Matter. Others find clients on Craigslist. Realistically, this type of technology interaction is one of the only ways to increase access to justice; currently, you have to make well over $100,000 per year to afford an actual lawyer, and even then it is a stretch for most people. Most hourly clients in civil litigation are actually businesses and companies, not individuals, because individuals don't have enough money to pay hourly. What I've observed though is that lawyers who have great technology keep their hourly rates the same and just pocket the extra money. And why shouldn't they?

    -- Courts and older attorneys should get with the program in terms of new technology. Currently there is a lot of bureaucratic resistance as well as a generational gap in how lawyers and courts use technology. There are plenty of older attorneys out there who do not even have email, and there are many others who just don't care enough to learn MS Word. After all, if they can just hire support staff to do that, there is no incentive. As older lawyers retire or learn technology, this problem decreases for the profession, but courts are still way behind. There should be rules for judges requiring them to use technology.

    -- State legislatures should spend more money on courts, but condition that funding on the use of industrial psychologists or other experts to help design better systems for information management. A local Superior Court that I practice in frequently and that I don't need to name still has physical documents hand-carried between its courthouses and administrative facilities. This is a huge waste of time, money, and effort when a few ScanSnap type machines and automated data p

    1. Re:A lawyer's perspective by bobaferret · · Score: 1

      As a coder in illinois who's currently trying to implement/ implemented a PACER like system for 70 of the 102 counties. Cost is really not a problem. Who pays the cost is, and most attorneys at this time are not big fans of tech. We're starting to get some success in the state, but it's slow coming. We have better luck with out of county Attorneys than local ones, since they can't just walk across the street to file something. In the last 5 years, a large number of our courts have started scanning everything, and in the last year or so, we've had a good amount of success at getting them to put all of the documents online. Currently it's only the attorneys of record who can see those documents though due to IL supreme court rules.

      Your calendar thing cracks me up though, we implemented and ical feed for all of our courts 10+ years ago. This is per attorney or judge, or police officer btw.
      Of the 70 counties where this is available, we have 1 user of it..... out of 74692 attorneys. I keep hoping that the younger generation of attorneys, and their secretaries) coming into office in the last few years will have higher technical expectations than the old farts who are leaving, but only time will tell.

      I guess my point is that the tech is there, the courts have put it into place and paid for it, but the attorneys just don't have the desire to use it, much less share the cost.

  38. Tech isn't the problem... by felrom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1. Too many laws make for too many criminals. Repeal a LOT of laws. The exponentially increasing number of malum prohimitum laws has been eroding personal liberty since the 1910s.

    2. Make congress do the legislating. No more, "as the secretary shall determine." That just means we have no law and we're ruled by unaccountable bureaucrats, and each president gets to appoint his cronies to exact his political agenda on his enemies. If congress isn't smart enough to write the law, then it shouldn't become a law.

    3. Loser pays, in both civil and criminal trials. Yeah, I can bring a lawsuit against the US government for violating my rights, but they get to use their unlimited wealth on an army of DOJ lawyers to stall in the courts until I'm bankrupt. The fact that rights are only restored when groups like the ACLU, EFF and NRA get involved against the government is proof enough of the problem.

    1. Re:Tech isn't the problem... by witherstaff · · Score: 1

      I've seen many of those 'stupid laws still on the books'. (I see http://www.dumblaws.com/ exists, amusing. "A woman isn’t allowed to cut her own hair without her husband’s permission.") Why do those even still exist?

      It seems like all laws need some time limit, if no one has been successfully tried for something illegal for X number of years the law becomes void.

      I'm not sure about your #3 of Loser pays. That may stop someone bringing a case against a GM or other mega corp if they spend millions on lawyers. I see the intent but it could really shaft the little guy.

      Is there any website that actually shows the law including all revisions? Instead of the various further laws that are worded like "change part 2, subsection A, paragraph 3 from 'shall' to 'will'" it'd be nice if any changes showed the actual entire new wording

  39. I used to work for the court by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to work in the court - USA.

      I will try be brief. The system is only as good as the people who work for the court. Simply said, they are HS graduates who have very little opportunity finding work anywhere else. After 10 or 15 years of working for the court they are now managers and HR professionals. Now those individuals end up hiring people who represent their views. The other "highly respected" individuals are HS graduates who got some college degree -- and now they are "authority" because the first group of people who hired them put them in charge. After years, and diploma mill created by those organizations with special trips to S.F. (I worked for California court.) and self patting circle jerk, created impermeable group think made through their committee style decisions. Who is in those committee? Dumb people with self aggrandizing education certificates and enormous power with very little oversight or accountability.

      Since it is a committee, the lowest common denominator wins out. I will call it as it is. They are dumb, with confidence of thousands of Orcs, spurned by their that peer circle composed of other dumb people, they make decisions for millions of people in California. The smart and brilliant people who get hired in the IT, just sit quietly. And just say whether or not they can implement another short sighted and poorly implemented ideas arrived by the group.

      I saw in few times with those who make those decisions. Because of politics, few smart ones, do not say anything. Everyone acts as they are managers, while no one knows what it takes to be a manager.
    The oversight from AOC is farcical. Because they can only see what is presented to them. So everyone on the surface pretends to do well-- kind of like how people in N.Korea all know how to use the internet and have democracy.

        There is nothing changing that culture. The sad part, the court is outsourcing most of the work it used to do the third parties. Those parties profit and increase the cost of operating the courts. That leads to more outsourcing and public suffers from higher costs, and less money going back to the court's budget.

      Finally, what happens to those dumb people. They apply for higher level jobs within the court. In their resumes they can now say "Work as a manager at the court for 10 years" and did all the things they did. With no competition no accountability and results against which nothing is measured against, they make it to the very top of the chain.

      Rinse and repeat. They in turn hire dumb people who resemble them, and on and on and on...

    tl:dr
    The change in the courts will be slow because how people get hired into the court, breeds inbreeding of dumb people. They are not bad people. They are just dumb. Dumb people have vision. Smart people stay quiet, because there are more dumb people who have more power.

  40. github for laws by hirundo · · Score: 1

    The technology of distributed version control should be applied to legal text much like it is to code. A proposed law is pull request. An enacted law is an accepted pull request. Various jurisdictions can fork and merge laws.

    And while we're at it, let's build domain specific languages for laws with with well defined syntax, in order to disambiguate law at least as much as politics will allow.

  41. Re:You're trolling, right? by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

    Catchy phrases are no substitute for knowledge and thoughtfulness.

    Neither are ad hominems and ridicule.

  42. Technology is not the Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem, put bluntly, is stupid judges. Judges are appointed by politicians who want reliable ideologues. Judges who will do what they are told. Smart people tend to think on their own. Result is 100% predicable.

  43. unfortunately you made the point you were rebuttin by raymorris · · Score: 1

    You start by implying that it's NOT too complicated for the average person. You then state that criminal cases are decided by a jury and civil cases by a judge, which is incorrect on both points. Criminal cases are frequently heard by a judge only. In fact, the in the majority of criminal cases there is no jury - the judge solely makes the final decision after reviewing the plea agreement. Civil cases routinely include a jury.

    So unfortunately it seems to be too complicated for you to grasp even the basics.

  44. Throw out cruel and unusual punishments by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 1

    Go to reddit.com, and allow people to suggest punishments. The most upvoted punishment after 1 day becomes the punishment.

  45. Unfortunately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fortunately, we probably have one of the best judicial systems in the world, but unfortunately there are too many people that want to promote their career, and don't care about the results, except as to how it will promote their career.

    My brother-in-law was a 2nd grade teacher. He had one girl that he touched on her shoulder when he was talking to her. She had been told by her mother that if anyone touched her when she didn't want them to, she should report it. Well, my brother-in-law was arrested for child abuse, supposedly for 8 counts. After the publicity that the case received, the prosecuting attorney finally looked at the evidence and realized that she didn't have a case. She didn't want to just drop the charges because it would clearly look bad for her, and that would possibly affect her re-election. So, she told him that his case would probably be a couple of years before it went to court (in other words, she would delay it going to trial), or, if he pled guilty to assault and battery, he could be released on probation for a year. So, he took the plea bargin. Now, he's served a year of probation, and has been assigned a new parole officer. They've extended his parole because they don't think that he's been social enough.

    He also can't live at his residence, because his conviction was in one state and he lived in an adjacent state. When he was first home, the police came and told him he had to register as a sex offender if he was going to live there (his plea bargin was not to a sex crime). So he's kept an appartment in the adjacent state.

    Although our judicial system is good, it could still be a lot better.

    Now, I've aired some of my complaints of the criminal court system, but I'll stop there. As a physician, I definitely have more complaints regarding the civil court system. And ..., I could go on and on about the copyright and patent system.

    1. Re:Unfortunately by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      we probably have one of the best judicial systems in the world

      If that's true -- I don't know -- it is a horrifying commentary on justice within the entire human context. Because the US justice system is severely broken in just about every facet one can name.

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  46. The biggest problem is the cost by riverat1 · · Score: 2

    The biggest problem with our judicial system is the cost. In any complex case the cost is out of reach for too many people. For example recently here in Oregon a soccer coach was charged with inappropriately touching a 12 year old girl on his team. After a year and a half the case was dismissed a week ago but he had run up legal bills of nearly $500,000. How many of us could afford something like that?

  47. standards would be a good start. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Standards for court documents, electronic filing processes, evidence, transcriptions, even laws and cases. The problem is that there is plenty of work to be had prosecuting cases, so there is no incentive to save money.

  48. Tough to fix. But. by fyngyrz · · Score: 0

    There is so much wrong, it is very difficult to believe that the system can be fixed at all.

    That said, this:

    First, they should have a "judges service" where a judge serves a randomly assigned trial with one requirement: it must be somewhere FAR from where they live. During their service, they are isolated, just as a jury would be sequestered. They would serve for the length of the trial, and we'd keep them in luxury, although 100% isolated from anything but the courtroom, a legal library, medical care, and food service. No television or Internet or radio, just movies on request (DVD, blueray.) This isolates them from bribery, bullshit trading of people's futures at the golf course, and other forms of influence peddling. Once served, they get paid time off equal to the length of the trial.

    Second, we need to get rid of the laws that amount to the government attacking the people and/or corporate welfare. Broadcast station regulation, Drug laws, anti-sex-worker and client laws, seizure-without-warrant laws, and I think we should provide relief from laws like building codes where the prospective builder can show what they are doing is no threat to anyone else but the builder and any prospective buyer. There are an amazing number of building codes that amount to silly nothings for a farmer out on the plains, just for one of many possible examples. Reducing the bogus law overload would reduce the docket of the courts to a huge degree.

    Third, plea bargaining has turned out to be an extremely bad thing. It should be abolished.

    Fourth, piling on charges post-arrest should be abolished. You should have sufficient reason to arrest someone in the first place. You didn't do your due diligence beforehand, then you suck.

    Fifth, this business of taking people's resources away from them before they've had their day in court essentially puts them in a can't-defend-themselves circumstance, and is unjust in the extreme anyway as it is pre-conviction-punishment.

    Sixth, cops are just too bloody free with shooting people, pets and so on. I suggest we remove the option of lethal weaponry. How is a good question, but I'm sure we can come up with something. Tasers are part of the answer; some kind of glue gun might be another.

    Seventh, the constitution needs some updating. To begin with, it needs some kind of teeth. Congresscritter dimwit writes up a law that infringes on your right to keep and carry, he's shown the door. Writes a law that amounts to the government censoring speech, shown the door. And so on. Still in this context, the 2nd is perfectly clear if you're not being outright disingenuous or ignorant, but it needs some exceptions -- nukes, bioweapons, chemical weapons obviously, but we might want to consider sonics and beam weapons before we get into another hairball over those when they arrive. The 4th *clearly* was written with the assumption that a warrant was *required* and for that reason, it spends most of its text describing what constitutes "reasonable." But again, the disingenuous and ignorant have said it means "if I think it's reasonable, we don't need a warrant." It needs to be re-written so that this kind of sophist fuckery isn't so easily pursued. The commerce clause also needs some work. The current government interpretation of it is like a kindergartner's explanation of atomic physics. If I grow a crop for my own consumption in my state, it's not interstate commerce. If I use a telephone to call my neighbor in the same state, it's not interstate commerce. And so on.

    Eighth, ex post facto laws have to go. This business of adding to people's punishment after conviction is already explicitly forbidden to both the federal government and the state government. Once sentenced for X, people should serve at *most* that sentence for X. Less if the state thinks it has a good reason.

    Ninth, and related to eighth, once a sentence is served, the records should be sealed from everyone but law enforcement. Otherwise we will continue to create a massively disadvantaged cl

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    1. Re:Tough to fix. But. by schnell · · Score: 1

      I genuinely appreciate your earnestness in wanting to reform the system, and I think more people should have strong feelings and ideas about how to "fix" things as you do. Unfortunately, a lot of things that seem like they have easy answers don't, and that's why they're hard. The devil is in the details, and the law of unintended consequences makes itself felt very keenly here. To wit:

      a judge serves a randomly assigned trial with one requirement: it must be somewhere FAR from where they live

      For better or worse, people elect judges because they want their views to reflect that of the community where they live. Maybe a liberal area wants judges that are more lenient in sentencing, or vice versa. Do you really want your Bay Area case where some wing nut has sued Google for not basing the Android clock on days since Biblical Creation to be decided by an imported judge from Alabama who may actually think they're right?

      Third, plea bargaining has turned out to be an extremely bad thing.

      Plea bargaining has its abuses, but more than anything else it is a very practical thing. A full jury trial for any serious (felony) offense is extremely expensive and time consuming, and plea bargaining is a way to reduce the burden on courts and juries by exacting some form of a minimum toll on the guilty without going for the maximum.

      Congresscritter dimwit writes up a law that infringes on your right to keep and carry, he's shown the door.

      What? Who decides this? Right now, through separation of powers, the courts rule on the constitutionality of laws. Under your idea - does John Boehner get to automatically impeach President Obama because he thinks executive orders on immigration are "unconstitutional?" Who gets to boot Republicans automatically for bringing DOMA to the House floor? What if I just think you're a dick and your law is unconstitutional and you should be gone?

      Still in this context, the 2nd is perfectly clear if you're not being outright disingenuous or ignorant

      Sorry, friend. I agree with your statement, but probably in exactly the opposite meaning you intend. Why even mention "a well regulated militia" if that is not the justification for the 2nd Amendment? And if you're not in a state-sponsored militia, why do you have this right again? This is just an example of where well intentioned people can wildly disagree on the meaning of legal/constitutional language and there is no shortcut to divining meaning.

      Fourth, piling on charges post-arrest should be abolished.

      So just to make this clear - I arrest you for drunk driving. But I search your trunk later and find you have a kidnapped person in there, and I can't charge you for it? Or, more likely, I arrest you for stealing a car. While the prosecutors are interviewing witnesses for the case, they talk to a chop shop operator who testifies you stole and sold 25 other cars to him. Why on earth should you not be charged with that?

      I suggest lobbyists go as well, in favor of a system where a congressperson has a system that constituents can access where they can either open an issue or join other voices on an issue

      You're right, nobody likes lobbyists. But they do actually have a purpose. Let's say that a congressperson from Maine is going to have to vote on a bill to grant or revoke a complicated set of tribal fishing rights on Federal land in California. Is this congress critter going to have constituents who are informed about this issue, or will they have time to learn about the issue on their own? No. Instead, lobbyists - on both sides of the issue - have their opportunity to brief lawmakers and try to sway their vote. Certainly not a perfect system, but you really do want to have professional advocates on both sides of an issue. Imagine if the EFF couldn't talk to congresspeople, and they had to rely on what some dumb-as

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    2. Re:Tough to fix. But. by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Do you really want your Bay Area case where some wing nut has sued Google for not basing the Android clock on days since Biblical Creation to be decided by an imported judge from Alabama who may actually think they're right?

      I want judges to be part of a service where they have to pass an exhaustive test that demonstrates they are both well informed and even-handed, and I'd want an overwatch panel too. Don't mistake my suggestions as intended to cross every t and dot every i. They're problems to be solved, not glib answers.

      A full jury trial for any serious (felony) offense is extremely expensive and time consuming, and plea bargaining is a way to reduce the burden on courts and juries by exacting some form of a minimum toll on the guilty without going for the maximum.

      There are way, way too many laws. Get rid of drug and sex worker cases and reduce lawsuits and you'd have a whole different idea about "how busy" the courts are.

      does John Boehner get to automatically impeach President Obama

      First, presidents should not be making law. There is zero provision for it. Second, the President, as the head of the enforcement arm, should have a system for watching for such things and seeing to it that they are brought to the president's attention for action as the chief executive. I think that would be excellent.

      Why even mention "a well regulated militia" if that is not the justification for the 2nd Amendment?

      You have suffered a parsing failure, because you are ignorant of the meaning of the words when and as written, and because you have failed to discriminate between an explanation (which you got wrong anyway) and a direct instruction (which you advocate ignoring.) I will illuminate them both for you:

      Well regulated as used at the time meant "consistently supplied", and the point was that everyone (which is essentially what the "militia" was comprised of) should show up with a weapon and ammo and so on if and when called up, and therefore, those rights were very well protected.

      Regardless, the first phrase is an explanation, and the second is a restriction on government. The restriction doesn't go (shouldn't go -- it certainly has done) away until an amendment says it does as per section five. That it has is utter sophistry. Someone would have to demonstrate, at the very least I would say, that the need for armed citizens has passed. There's lots of evidence they are very badly needed, and we are suffering when they are not immediately available.

      There's no authority to arbitrarily say "we don't have to obey the restriction, and it is the worst idea EVER to think that the government can say that, because if they can do it with the 2nd, they can do it with every other amendment and rule as well. Good bye constitution, hello banana republic.

      So just to make this clear - I arrest you for drunk driving. But I search your trunk later and find you have a kidnapped person in there, and I can't charge you for it?

      That's exactly right. Just like the limits on getting a warrant, the state gets to labor under a handicap, because it is known (extremely well known, now, as a matter of fact) that it will abuse the privilege if and when it is allowed to run free. Unrestricted government is dangerous. As we see every day. And as the founders knew full well.

      You're right, nobody likes lobbyists. But they do actually have a purpose.

      Sure they do. To subvert the system. Out they go. Your argument that congresspersons who would not otherwise learn about issue X will then do so because some lobbyist bribes them is utter horseshit. The lobbyists don't bribe them to learn; they bribe them to steer their vote, and the one with the biggest payoff is the one that wins. It is purest u

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    3. Re:Tough to fix. But. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So just to make this clear - I arrest you for drunk driving. But I search your trunk later and find you have a kidnapped person in there, and I can't charge you for it?

      That's exactly right. Just like the limits on getting a warrant, the state gets to labor under a handicap, because it is known (extremely well known, now, as a matter of fact) that it will abuse the privilege if and when it is allowed to run free.

      This is crazy, and invites abuse: I kidnap someone, or smuggle cocaine. I.e. very profitable trade. Then I notice cops about to stop me. I don't want to go down for smuggling/kidnapping. So I make sure I get arrested for something else then. Ram the cop car, or wave a gun at them (but drop it before they start firing at me.) So now I am only arrested for recless driving / threatening the cops. Somewhat bad, but they won't even bother searching the car as they know they can't use anything post-arrest anyway.

      Or bribe politicians on a large scale. Or run a segment of the mafia. Or a pedo ring. Or all of these. When anything serious is about to be descovered, kick some cop in the nuts. A little beating and a month for assaulting a cop, they can't pile on anything more . . . .

      I see no need to not be able to pile on more later. The initial reason for arrest has to be sound - or someones head should roll (fired from the police). But that is not a reason to stop investigating the person. Otherwise, someone can keep doing new crimes knowing they will not be brought to justice because they haven't investigated all the previous crimes yet. And when they have, more crimes have been commited.

    4. Re:Tough to fix. But. by anagama · · Score: 1

      I agree with almost all of this, and it seems you have a real interest in protecting the interests of the little guy so to speak, but #16 wholly runs against that grain. If you take out the teeth from civil lawsuits, you empower Ford to never stop making Pintos, or fertilizer manufacturers to blow up as many neighborhoods as they want. This would be a massive form of corporate welfare that would benefit large monied interests and make regular people incapable of striking back in any meaningful manner.

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    5. Re:Tough to fix. But. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have only a few suggestions to add to this.

      The penalties for government officials needs a lot more teeth than your out.
      The death penalty should be abolished with the one exception of government officials who attempt to violate the constitution.

  49. Designed To Be Wrong by JimSadler · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Frankly the judicial system is not completely designed to achieve justice or find truth. Often the system exists to either create business or to enforce popular prejudices. For example no judge is dumb enough to actually believe the cops snagging someone under the excuse of a broken tail light or a car seeming to sway a bit. Cops use false charges to stop drivers and seek out felonies and their promotions and job security are tied to these tactics. The average traffic stop is not in reality a traffic stop at all but it is a fishing expedition and that is even truer at night when cops reason that good people are at home and creeps are out on the roads. On the other hand when a town gets short of money the mayor calls the cop shop and orders a lot of tickets be written to raise money for the towns expenses. And then there are other money grubbing tactics. One is sentencing a lot of people to enforced therapy at a public clinic and forcing them to pay a hefty fee for the therapy and a monthly probation fee on top of that. Wife slaps husband three times and husband responds and slaps back one time and the husband is sentenced to two years of weekly therapy at $60. per week plus $75. per month for probation. The prejudice is that the woman is not charged as she threw the first slap and three times at that whereas the cops prejudice is based on the fact that he can slap harder than his wife supposedly and therefore he gets busted, all the while the judge goes along with the ride knowing that the public clinic is so bad that it could not diagnose mustard on a ham sandwich but the city just collected 104 weeks multiplied by 60 dollars a week plus 24 months at $75 per month for probation. We are talking about big bucks folks. And a joint or walking a bit drunk can get you exactly that kind of sentence. In my area if you get caught sleeping on the beach three times you can be considered a felon and actually put in prison. In reality we have no justice system, no law and very little order and the order we do have is often the wrong kind.

  50. A New Sheriff in Town? by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    What would Constitutional Law be viewed like if it was handled by a Machine Learning program wraped in AIML? Would Citizens United still be?

  51. Its too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just burn it fire

  52. Bundesgit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a project that put German laws into git: Bundesgit

    They are versioned (so you can see changes over time).

  53. Options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps an expert system could look at the laws we have and how they are being used and propose things to simplify them.
    At least the system should be able to find the laws applicable to a particular act.

    Winning is court depends on the lawyers making the best arguments.
    Perhaps for cases with a broad interest, the public could add arguments that the lawyers should wish they had made.

    Better video games to keep folks occupied instead of out committing crimes in the first place.
    Perhaps this is the solution to ISIS?

  54. No, absolutely not. by superwiz · · Score: 1

    The only thing which can improve the judicial system is making it as luddite as possible. US has a common law legal system. All common law systems have O(n!) complexity. Any attempts to fight the expanding complexity by hiring more lawyers are attempts at linear scaling (O(n)) solutions to O(n!) problems. Adding computers into the mix allows for exponential solutions O(n^K). Which creates the illusion of solving the problem because O(n^K) > O(n). But, for sufficiently large n and any fixed K, O(n^K) O(n!). So this creates a problem which will manifest itself as the system collapses under its own complexity with justice becoming completely impossible. The only reason that common law system existed and were viable before computers is that people forget. So all attempts at hiring more lawyers go out the windows and O(n) does grow very large; laws which are at the centers of the nodes which cause common law spider web of irrevocable "precedents" get repealed. But hiding this obvious need for repealing certain laws inside of the O(n^k) solutions makes near impossible to discern which laws need repealing. Which causes the whole legal system to collapse. The only solution to winning this game is not to play.

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    1. Re:No, absolutely not. by superwiz · · Score: 1

      buh... slashdot didn't allow a single < go through. The "O(n^K) O(n!)" was meant to says "O(n^K) is less than O(n!)".

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  55. Transparency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A main problem today is the inability to see laws and see changes. Technology can index laws, show diffs, link to what changed the law, relate to political spectrums and parties, show concrete links to money and activities allowing for transparency.

    Step 1: Publish all laws in a standard format
    Step 2: Publish all law changes in standard format
    Step 3: See above
    Step 4: Transparency and democracy evolve

  56. Legal system is broken, but tech is not why: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Problem with the legal system isn't technology, but that it's not truth seeking. You can't have a fair legal system unless you have one that seeks the truth, because without the truth the wrong side might win: http://netk.net.au/whitton/ocls.pdf

  57. Tech stocks by easyTree · · Score: 1

    One could invest in Tech stocks then use the profits to selectively bribe members of the courts system to act in a manner which from the outside looks consistent with justice-for-all.

  58. Its politics not technology by prefec2 · · Score: 1

    Look at Norway if you want to see a functioning system. It is not a technological problem it is a political, sociological, and phsychological problem. Have a look and read carefully this comment on the Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/com...

  59. It will help someday by bartmcmurray · · Score: 0

    Technology will make the law a much more powerful ass. After much outrage and corrections it will help.

  60. Quick and easy law lookup by jraff2 · · Score: 1

    Insist that ALL laws be open to the public, not hiding behind expensive pay-walls. Legal decisions that affect literally millions of people are available only to those with the $$$ to pay to view the decisions. Those with out access to the decisions get shuffled through the courts and squirted into prison with out an real avenue of defense.

  61. All laws MUST be PUBLIC by jraff2 · · Score: 1

    Laws hidden behind some secret court order are not laws but just so much junk. Unless one knows a law exists one can not obey the law. Hiding laws and then bringing them to court with secrecy demands is totally ridiculous!

  62. A series of local optimizations does not make a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    global optima.

    We have FUBARed our country with laws. We need to repeal all laws and supreme court decisions from 1776 forward, wait 20 years to see what problems really exist, and then begin again.

    Anarchy would be way better than the country-size debtor's prison we have become.

  63. fMRI by NewYork · · Score: 1

    fMRI can improve Judicial system;

  64. Boob beep boop boop beep by P3r1$c0p3 · · Score: 1

    All rise for the honorable R2-D2. Processsing.... Robo-Judge says you are guilty! Pay these fines. All your property are belong to us! Sit in this cage with this rapist!

  65. Digital Service, Swearing Affidavits and electroni by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The simple things like serving papers, swearing and affirming affidavits and filing documents seem like obvious areas that can be improved by tech. Yeah, for the big firms who can expense, with a markup, all of that to the client have no problem hiring firms but for the rest of us, service, filing and affidavits take up a huge amount of time and really handicap the not rich. Big firms have much more time to prepare than the little guys because of the time it takes just to do these three simple things

  66. Eliminate Judges from the process by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eliminate Judges from the process as much as possible. Yes, software can help this immensely, but first ambiguity and other "designed-in" loopholes in laws have to be removed (analysis tools anyone?). What's next, work on eliminating the lawyers. Fixing "laws" or "the law" is paramount. An ambiguous "law" or "law" that is inaccessible to the "common man", is not law, but rather a crime against the people whom it purports to serve.