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Secret Memo Slams Canadian Police On Inaccurate ISP Request Records

An anonymous reader writes Last fall, Daniel Therrien, the government's newly appointed Privacy Commissioner of Canada, released the annual report on the Privacy Act, the legislation that governs how government collects, uses, and discloses personal information. The lead story from the report was the result of an audit of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police practices regarding warrantless requests for telecom subscriber information. Michael Geist now reports that a secret internal memo reveals the situation was far worse, with auditors finding the records from Canada's lead law enforcement agency were unusable since they were "inaccurate and incomplete."

18 comments

  1. How is this possible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But when you break the rules you have to keep good records so we can find out how you broke the rules!

  2. Short answer ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lazy, incompetent, and don't want actual oversight.

    So they have sloppy record keeping, because they don't give a crap, and because they have been getting what they want so why bother.

    The solution: take away the ability to get this crap without oversight, and let these clowns fall on their face.

    If they won't abide by the law and the rules, they get nothing.

    This is a classic case of law enforcement not giving a fuck about the law and their legal obligations. Which means you have to distrust them and treat them like children, otherwise they'll just keep abusing us and our rights.

    This is precisely what happens when police have sweeping powers and nobody is keeping tabs on them.

    It's time to stop giving these idiots the benefit of the doubt, and assume they're lying to us and crapping on our rights -- because, apparently they are.

    Unfortunately, the clowns who make up government are keen to give them even more powers with even less oversight

    1. Re:Short answer ... by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, the [elected] clowns who make up government are keen to give them even more powers with even less oversight

      I think we all know what the real solution is.

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    2. Re:Short answer ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kill lots and lots of voters?

    3. Re:Short answer ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, the [elected] clowns who make up government are keen to give them even more powers with even less oversight

      I think we all know what the real solution is.

      Bake sale?

    4. Re:Short answer ... by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Invent a new form of gov't, which will take a while for the people currently in charge to figure out how to game for their own personal advantage? Or do we have to wait for the singularity, and just hand the reigns over to it?

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    5. Re:Short answer ... by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The RCMP have a lot of problems, this, the officers lying over the tasering in BC. High River(illegal gun seizures), and so on. Some of the major problems stem from the fact that there are no career officers in positions of power and they're all political appointees. Yeah, figure that one out. How does someone become chief of a service without ever having served on it. It's better in a lot of the smaller services here in Canada, where services acts require someone from the service before they can be a chief.

      The RCMP can be fixed, if they start pulling out all the political bullshit. The vast majority of police services in Canada work as a bottom to top organization. Meaning the guy at the bottom, gets a problem and decides how to fix it on their own without someone over his shoulder to figure it out or telling him to "bend the rules to make it happen." Services like the RCMP(federal police), OPP(Ontario Provincial), SQ(Quebec Provincial) operate as "top down" meaning there's someone staring over you shoulder, and breathing down your neck while telling you to "do this or else." Now I'm sure you're thinking, but why don't they stand up...some do. And they're quickly drummed out for not following the procedures which is a offence you can be canned for in many cases.

      The vast majority here in Canada do follow the rules. Said rules are enforced and have oversight by independent investigation boards made up of ex-police and civilians. And then there's a local police oversight board that anyone can apply to become a member of in many cases. In Ontario for instance, anyone can become a member of the oversight board it doesn't matter who you are--you can apply. The RCMP though doesn't have either, it has, as said that lovely top-down approach.

      Now as for the laws here in Canada, the police generally don't line up and say "we need law xyz" because...reasons...usually in Canada laws such as that are based on something happening in society that requires it. And should that be an overstep, then it'll end up before the Supreme Court and will or won't be struck down. A few examples: RIDE programs are a violation in Canada of unlawful search. It was however ruled that it's a reasonable exception under S.1 of the charter because of the needs weighted against society. On the other hand, we have exigent circumstances(allowing entry/taps/etc w/o warrant). Which was struck down by the Supreme Court as being "a extreme violation of individual rights." That was in reaction to another bill, but said ruling stripped it out of the criminal code itself. Exigent circumstances had been on the books for ~100 years at that point.

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    6. Re:Short answer ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It's time to stop giving these idiots the benefit of the doubt, and assume they're lying to us and crapping on our rights -- because, apparently they are"

      You and many people are unaware of what's really going on, this is a pre-emptive strike against political change. Most have no clue what's really going on in the world... the elites are afraid of political awakening (aka global revolt). i.e. they fear you stopping voting for politicians and causing social and political change because the democratic system is a sham.

      This (mass surveillance) by the NSA and abuse by law enforcement is just more part and parcel of state suppression of dissent against corporate interests. They're worried that the more people are going to wake up and corporate centers like the US and canada may be among those who also awaken. See this vid with Zbigniew Brzezinski, former United States National Security Advisor.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ttv6n7PFniY

      Brezinski at a press conference

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kmUS--QCYY

      The real news:

      http://therealnews.com/t2/

      http://www.amazon.com/Democracy-Incorporated-Managed-Inverted-Totalitarianism/dp/069114589X/

      http://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Government-Surveillance-Security-Single-Superpower/dp/1608463656/

      http://www.amazon.com/National-Security-Government-Michael-Glennon/dp/0190206446/

      Look at the following graphs:

      http://imgur.com/a/FShfb

      http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

      And then...

      WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would Stay Cheap

      http://www.businessinsider.com/wikileaks-haiti-minimum-wage-the-nation-2011-6

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnkNKipiiiM

      Free markets?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHj2GaPuEhY#t=349

      Free trade?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju06F3Os64

      http://www.amazon.com/Empire-Illusion-Literacy-Triumph-Spectacle/dp/1568586132/

      "We now live in two Americas. One—now the minority—functions in a print-based, literate world that can cope with complexity and can separate illusion from truth. The other—the majority—is retreating from a reality-based world into one of false certainty and magic. To this majority—which crosses social class lines, though the poor are overwhelmingly affected—presidential debate and political rhetoric is pitched at a sixth-grade reading level. In this “other America,” serious film and theater, as well as newspapers and books, are being pushed to the margins of society.

      In the tradition of Christopher Lasch’s The Culture of Narcissism and Neil Postman’s Amusing Ourselves to Death, Pulitzer Prize-winner Chris Hedges navigates this culture—attending WWF contests, the Adult Video News Awards in Las Vegas, and Ivy League graduation ceremonies—to expose an age of terrifying decline and heightened self-delusion."

      Important history:

      http://williamblum.org/

    7. Re:Short answer ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Find better clowns to run for office?

    8. Re:Short answer ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dey took are guns

    9. Re:Short answer ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which Supreme court ruling struck down " exigent circumstances" I know of rulings against the police claims of exigent circumstances but not a ruling striking it from the criminal code itself.

  3. Re:Canadian Bacon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The power of investment bankers over governments rests on a number of factors, of which the most significant, perhaps, is the need of governments to issue short-term treasury bills as well as long-term government bonds. Just as businessmen go to commercial banks for current capital advances to smooth over the discrepancies between their irregular and intermittent incomes and their periodic and persistent outgoes (such as monthly rents, annual mortgage payments, and weekly wages), so a government has to go to merchant bankers (or institutions controlled by them) to tide over the shallow places caused by irregular tax receipts. As experts in government bonds, the international bankers not only handled the necessary advances but provided advice to government officials and, on many occasions, placed their own members in official posts for varied periods to deal with special problems." --Quigley

  4. Thought not. by AndyKron · · Score: 3, Funny

    Great, now who's going to fucking jail for this? Nobody? Thought not.

  5. Which is why the latest round needs more oversight by msobkow · · Score: 1

    This kind of abuse is why the latest round of "anti-terrorism" legislation from the Conservative jackboots who currently run our country needs more oversight. Having one person in charge of the oversight is just rife with the potential for sweeping issues under the rug and failure to detect problems.

    I firmly believe that a committee of at least three politicians and one "specialist" should be overseeing all of these Canadian privacy-related issues, regardless of "national security" issues -- one from each of the major parties. (The only reason I don't say four is May is a whackjob and there are no other Green Party members of parliament -- that woman isn't qualified to oversee lunch.)

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  6. It's hard by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 2

    >secret internal memo reveals the situation was far worse, with auditors finding the records from Canada's lead law enforcement agency were unusable since they were "inaccurate and incomplete."

    To be fair, it's hard to write an accurate and complete records when you're riding a horse.

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  7. Chasing US Ignorance by rtb61 · · Score: 1

    The problem here is chasing idiots US ideas of Law Enforcement. Treat police like Law Enforcement as revenue agents with arrest and ticket quotas and you end up with ignorant guard dogs, not police officers. The reality is policing should be based around the idea of exemplary citizens which is basically what they are mean to be. Citizens who step forward in times of crisis to aid the public. This includes initial response emergency medical services, fire fighting and emergency rescue as they are far more spread on the ground than those other services and are in the best position for a rapid response and early assessment to ensure those other services can respond accordingly.

    Part of the whole idea of exemplary citizen is of course upholding the law, not forcing others to do so but doing it themselves. When they see others failing to do so, they either just remind them of their responsibilities or initiate an arrest and pass that on higher up the legal chain to the courts where the laws are enforced.

    Cheap right wing moronic attitudes have turned what should be exemplary citizens, carefully selected and extensively trained of the highest moral character into base ignorant guard dogs capable of nothing but putting the bite on citizens because revenue first, last and everything in between and sick dreams of privatising it all. From law enforcement, to the courts and, to the jails. Poor and you are guilty of anything a rich person accuses you and of course that rich person is always innocent, just like the feudalism period that so many of the 1% adore.

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  8. Double Wammy by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    Also from a fiscal perspective, I am fairly certain that all those millions of information requests that get sent to ISP's from police services that they get paid per request. So not only are you paying police services to spy on your private information unnecessarily (i.e. unimportant enough not to require a warrant), that your tax dollars are also being funneled into ISP's to provide the information in the first place.

    At one point once upon a time when the Feds were looking at expanding the practice (the Bill got shot down eventually after some embarrassment about personal information on Ministers, it was called something like the Save the Children Terrorism Act or something), it was to be so widespread that the ISP's got together and said if you want to do it on such a level, we need a better information management system to track it all and we're not paying for it, the tax payers would need to, and the cost of that was to be 30-40 million dollars.

    Anyway sufficient legal practices are available (i.e. get a damn warrant if you really need the information), they should not have a carte blanche to everything whenever whimsy takes them. If you do not have enough evidence that a Judge would not allow for a warrant, then perhaps the invasion of privacy isn't warranted in the first place (pardon pun).