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Oldest Dot-com Domain Turning 30

Posted by Soulskill on from the counts-as-a-digital-antique dept.

netbuzz writes: On March 15, 1985, Symbolics, Inc, maker of Lisp computers, registered the Internet's first dot-com address: Symbolics.com. Sunday will mark the 30th anniversary of that registration. And while Symbolics has been out of business for years, the address was sold in 2009 for an undisclosed sum to a speculator who said: "For us to own the first domain is very special to our company, and we feel blessed for having the ability to obtain this unique property." Today there's not much there.

48 comments

  1. may not be much there by ralphsiegler · · Score: 1

    But this we know, it is slashdotted already

    1. Re:may not be much there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      how symbolic

    2. Re:may not be much there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So go hit the wayback machine. You can see it from 1996 until 4 days ago. Amazing, huh?

  2. Nothing there... by justMichael · · Score: 1

    Now that it's been /.ed

  3. I wish I "cdr" seen it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    nothing to see here, "car"y on...

    1. Re:I wish I "cdr" seen it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (a parenthesis)

    2. Re:I wish I "cdr" seen it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The closure of the actual website should be lambdasted, but at the same time we should be grateful for the 2009 buy-out by the anonymous garbage collector.

  4. Re:Relates to the maker community? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    I agree, if he could 3D print his dong I'd download it and sit on it all day long. For the Maker community!

  5. It's been that long? by Snotnose · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a sysadmin in the late 80s/early 90s I remember the joy I felt when I first installed DNS on our Sun network and could forget bang paths. For the next year or two I enjoyed the extra income I made as a consultant setting up other people with DNS. It was all a word of mouth thing (well, word of email more like), I never advertised or looked for the work (I was still in school part time, free time wasn't in my lexicon).

    1. Re:It's been that long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, the joys of UUCP and bang path email. Now get off my lawn.

    2. Re:It's been that long? by nblender · · Score: 1

      My first domain was a .UUCP ... It was very refreshing not to have to use 'smail' anymore.

    3. Re:It's been that long? by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not that long. Even before this registering of the domain, the "internet" was already underway. What the registering did was provide a common name that everyone could agree upon so that you didn't have to use the IP address directly and you could use DNS so that you didn't have to enter all your favorites into the hosts table.

      Also symbolics.com was NOT the first domain. First registrations were darpa.org/darpa.net/darpa.gov and nordu.net. Not only was nordu.net there on the first day, it is also the oldest domain that is still active. For the next registration after symbolics.com, there was bbn.com on the same day as several .EDU domains. The .EDU domains far outnumbered .COM domains during 1985, which makes sense because the internet was highly academic in nature, and even the early commercial domains were primarily using it in their research divisions.

      I found it odd that when searching for this list (it's on wikipedia) that I easily found several other hits that listed only the early .COM domains and it took a lot more digging to find hits listing all the early domains. But I guess that in the modern era that only for-profit commercial companies matter to the mass media and general public.

    4. Re:It's been that long? by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      I should clarify, the DARPA registrations were for the TLDs only (ie, ORG/NET/EDU/GOV, but not COM for some reason). But nordu.net still registered before symbolics.com.

    5. Re:It's been that long? by rs79 · · Score: 2

      Nope, digital.com predates symbolics.com. NSI screwed up the dates. Check with Reid who don't forget enabled BIND by paying Vixie to write it when they were both at DECWRL.How could anyhting predate the domain of the guys that wrote the code?

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    6. Re:It's been that long? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I think that list is just the registration with the official registrar, but there may have been unofficial usage of the TLDs? I was just a student at the time though and not doing any sysadmin stuff yet.

    7. Re:It's been that long? by thogard · · Score: 1

      !ihnp4 ?

    8. Re:It's been that long? by nblender · · Score: 1

      Nope,

      !ucbvax

  6. bbn.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    bbn.com was registered 9 days later - still around, doing the same thing - government sponsored research.

    1. Re:bbn.com by bigwheel · · Score: 1

      Not surprising. BBN still had Internet node-zero running on an old DEC when I interviewed there in 1987.

    2. Re:bbn.com by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      bbn.com AND five universities. So BBN was really in a 6 way tie to be second...

  7. In 30 years I'll buy slashdot.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Price should be close to 5 bucks by then. Considering futre inflation it'll be .67 cents in today's money.

    1. Re:In 30 years I'll buy slashdot.org by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      It's not a .COM domain so that mass media doesn't notice it. Just as they didn't notice nordu.net who registered a few months before symbolics.net :-)

    2. Re:In 30 years I'll buy slashdot.org by thogard · · Score: 1

      Mine was free then. I did a dictionary search against whois and abnormal was free. I just knew I had to have it. That was close to 20 years ago.

      Anyway there will be cake for anyone who RSVPs.

  8. Oh that's too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess that means it won't be able to find a job in the technical field anymore.

  9. Symbolics instigated the free software movement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just to remind everyone about Symbolics' place in history. Symbolics was founded by a bunch of Richard Stallman's co-workers from the MIT AI lab, and Symbolics' business tactics provided the primary motivatation for the Stallman's creation of the Free Software movement. See

    http://www.gnu.org/gnu/rms-lisp.html

    1. Re:Symbolics instigated the free software movement by bigwheel · · Score: 2

      Symbolics was an amazing company. I was doing AI R&D for a large company back in the 80's, where we had several 3670s and 3640s. Even after all these years, I have not seen anything as robust and easy to work with as Lisp+Flavors on their Genera environment.

    2. Re:Symbolics instigated the free software movement by K8Fan · · Score: 1

      The thing I remember most fondly about Symbolics was their 3D modeling and rendering software. Remember "Stanley and Stella in Breaking The Ice"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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  10. Oldest still held by same company is XEROX.COM by alispguru · · Score: 5, Informative

    Number 7 on the list of oldest registered domain names.

    BBN is apparently owned by Raytheon.

    Apple.com is number 64, just under two years later. One of the benefits of getting in on the ground floor like that was big blocks of IPv4 addresses - apple.com still controls a /24 block, I think.

    When did microsoft.com get created?

    My personal intro to the internet was at the University of Maryland - I was there when the TAC to Ft. Meade was installed.

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    1. Re:Oldest still held by same company is XEROX.COM by SAH · · Score: 1

      One of the benefits of getting in on the ground floor like that was big blocks of IPv4 addresses - apple.com still controls a /24 block, I think.

      ...and Xerox has (or maybe had) 13/8.

    2. Re:Oldest still held by same company is XEROX.COM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      /24 is *SMALL*

      Try /8

      NetRange: 17.0.0.0 - 17.255.255.255
      CIDR: 17.0.0.0/8
      NetName: APPLE-WWNET
      NetHandle: NET-17-0-0-0-1
      Parent: ()
      NetType: Direct Assignment
      OriginAS:
      Organization: Apple Inc. (APPLEC-1-Z)
      RegDate: 1990-04-16
      Updated: 2012-04-02
      Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-17-0-0-0-1

  11. Re:Relates to the maker community? by Kyont · · Score: 1

    I agree, if he could 3D print his dong

    If??? This is one of the easier files, I could have this done before cocktail hour today.

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  12. Re:Relates to the maker community? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
    Why bother with a plastic imitation when you can get the real thing

    (that's one story submission I don't think will make the front page)

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    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  13. SYMBOLICS IS NOT THE FIRST DOT COM by rs79 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Everyone gets this wrong.

    BIND was written at Digital when Brian Reid looked at Mockapetris spec and got Vixie to take the Berkeley B-Tree code and produce BIND.

    Now what do you suppose the chances are that he didn't bother to grab digital.com? How bout zero? If you guessed that, you deserve a cookie.

    Reid has the nic receipt for digital.com and it predates symbolics.com. February vs. March, NSI screwed up the dates in one of their transitions.

    Ref: Brian Reid. Ask him yourself. This was explained on one of the domain mailing lists during the DNS wars.

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    1. Re:SYMBOLICS IS NOT THE FIRST DOT COM by bkk_diesel · · Score: 1

      According to the information posted at digital.com:

      In 1985, Digital became the fifth company ever to register a .com domain name when they purchased dec.com. In 1993 they also registered digital.com, and became the world’s first computer vendor to open a public website on October 1 of that year.

  14. Re:Relates to the maker community? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't have to be gay to enjoy anal play.

  15. Free domains by tompaulco · · Score: 1

    Ah yes, back in those days, registering a domain was free and you could find domains that actually related to your business.

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  16. Not the oldest Dotcom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Kim Dotcom is 41 QED.

  17. Remember how .coms were treated back then? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

    I remember how SOME people treated .com domains back then. They'd refuse to route traffic for them, blackhole emails, and generally be little bitches about it. Why? Because .com meant TEH CAPITLIZM!!@#! OMG NOES and the internet was a strict non-.commercial zone. Anyone else remember the good old days before the WWW?

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    Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    1. Re:Remember how .coms were treated back then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn shame this isn't still the default behaviour.

    2. Re:Remember how .coms were treated back then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes. exactly. we were right.

  18. Still 5 Months Until... by rHBa · · Score: 1

    porn.com turns 20.

  19. Re:Relates to the maker community? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sir AC, you made my day.

  20. Blessed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, god gave the domain to them.....

  21. DEC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    digital.com has to be older than symbolics... I can't conceive of any scenario where DEC didn't grab their own domain... ???

  22. Symbolics. Best place I ever worked. Fantastic peo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and that's all I wanted to say.