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Education Company Monitors Social Media For Test References

theodp writes: As if people haven't found enough to hate about the new 11+ hour K-12 PARCC standardized testing, the Washington Post reports that Pearson, the world's largest education company, is monitoring social media during the administration of the PARCC Common Core test to detect any security breaches, saying it is "obligated" to alert authorities when any problems are discovered. The monitoring of social media was revealed in a message that a New Jersey School Superintendent sent to colleagues about a "Priority 1 Alert" initiated by Pearson in response to a student who referenced a PARCC test question in an after-school Tweet. The news was broken in a blog entry by former NJ Star-Ledger reporter Bob Braun, who also posted the Superintendent's message and called the monitoring of social media nothing less than "spying." Pearson has a contract of more than $100 million to administer the PARCC in New Jersey.

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  1. Really? by wbr1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am as anti-spying as the next guy,but monitoring public postings to prevent cheating is not spying. If you re going to lie, cheat or steal, pass your notes in a private location.

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    1. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is because people have become so stupid about media that they're no longer able to distinguish broadcast (or publishing) from 1:1 messages. They're using Twitter the way they use IM and then blame others for "listening in".

    2. Re:Really? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      No, but I'm fine with them listening in to public microphones people voluntarily step up to and yabber into.

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    3. Re:Really? by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      I am as anti-spying as the next guy,but monitoring public postings to prevent cheating is not spying. If you re going to lie, cheat or steal, pass your notes in a private location.

      I posted publicly on Facebook that I was going to kill President Obama and the next thing I knew I had two very rude USSS agents knocking on my front door. Fucking surveillance state, they didn't even bother to get a warrant....

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    4. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm the "next guy", Auntie Spy, and I would just like to say: Out of respect for your privacy I did not read your post.

    5. Re:Really? by auric_dude · · Score: 1

      Gnupg Pki + Gmail but be careful about the subject line! But then do people still use email?

    6. Re:Really? by WGFCrafty · · Score: 1

      Encrypt your messages with a key you share with friends. Then you can post all day long publicly and it still be a 1:1 message (assuming your friends don't share your key). Just don't post anything of any real importance.

      Better yet, don't give your accounts the ability to post public messages at all.

    7. Re:Really? by WGFCrafty · · Score: 1

      "(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
      Reply to This"

      Isn't this a tautological statement?

      Isn't everyone's worldview settled beforehand?

    8. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is because people have become so stupid about media that they're no longer able to distinguish broadcast (or publishing) from 1:1 messages. They're using Twitter the way they use IM and then blame others for "listening in".

      You are correct, but you aren't going quite far enough.

      Virtually ANY communications which are done via electronic devices
      are subject to interception and from that there is the possibility of unintended
      consequences.

    9. Re:Really? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 0

      Better yet, don't give your accounts the ability to post public messages at all.

      Even better yet, don't cheat; spend time actually learning things so you can be a productive, contributing member of society.

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    10. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lair! We all know those guys shoot first and shoot later.

    11. Re:Really? by stephanruby · · Score: 2

      I am as anti-spying as the next guy,but monitoring public postings to prevent cheating is not spying. If you re going to lie, cheat or steal, pass your notes in a private location.

      The intent is not to prevent cheating. The intent is to only prevent the appearance of cheating. The intent is to prevent students from talking about the test after they've taken it and after they've gotten out of school already. Apparently, Pearson is cutting corners by selling the same test to all the schools no matter what time zone they're located in, or on what day the test is administered, which is the real problem here.

      And so instead of revising its business model, it's spying on students and urging schools to penalize students when they're found to be talking about the test publicly online. Never mind, that they have no way to monitor private messages, or private emails, or other private communications, so their real intent here is to prevent the appearance of cheating, not the cheating itself -- which will continue underground because of the inherent flaw in their system.

    12. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can go ahead and monitor all they want. Statements of facts, such as answers to a test, are not illegal.

      I'd also like to see them try to do anything about information shared from a non-US source.

    13. Re:Really? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      It wasn't cheating/stealing. Nor was it just simple monitoring. What sparked this was that a student posted something after a test (after they left school). They didn't post a photo of the test, just a comment. Pearson contacted the department of education in New Jersey and demanded the student be punished for this action, claiming the student broke confidentiality. The student was questioned and pressured to delete the tweet (which they did).

      Here's where I have a problem with this: Pearson is acting as though these students have signed an NDA in taking these tests. However, they also claim these tests are mandatory. You can't require someone sign an NDA. If my job says I must sign an NDA and I don't want to, I have an option (quit my job). If a company wants me to review their product and asks me to sign an NDA that I don't want to sign, I have an option (don't review the product). What if the student doesn't want to "sign the Pearson NDA"? Can they opt out of the tests? Pearson and the department of education keep insisting that students can't and must take the tests or else. You can't compel someone to sign a contract. So either students can opt out* or they must take the tests and there is no NDA associated with it.

      * Disclosure: My wife and I have our kids opt out of some of the high pressure standardized tests that are given in New York. The only purpose of the ones we opt out of is to prove that students are failing, that it is the teachers' fault, and that Pearson/charter schools can sell politicians the solution.

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    14. Re:Really? by f3rret · · Score: 1

      Apparently, Pearson is cutting corners by selling the same test to all the schools no matter what time zone they're located in, or on what day the test is administered, which is the real problem here

      The testing wouldn't be very standardized if they gave everyone different versions of the test, would it?

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    15. Re:Really? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Isn't everyone's worldview settled beforehand?

      MIne used to be.

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  2. $100 Million??? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yep, someone learned a lesson - there's big bucks in education. Between this and textbook costs, there's something really wrong here.

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    1. Re:$100 Million??? by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Yeah well that is just 1 state. This is nationwide, so likely a billion dollar boondoggle...

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    2. Re:$100 Million??? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Yeah well that is just 1 state. This is nationwide, so likely a billion dollar boondoggle...

      New Jersey is a special case. Pearson is headquartered there, receives huge tax breaks, and is a donor to Chris Christie's campaign for the Republican presidential nomination. Letting Pearson run your education testing system makes about as much sense as letting Oracle design your health insurance website.

    3. Re:$100 Million??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah well that is just 1 state. This is nationwide, so likely a billion dollar boondoggle...

      New Jersey is a special case. Pearson is headquartered there, receives huge tax breaks, and is a donor to Chris Christie's campaign for the Republican presidential nomination. Letting Pearson run your education testing system makes about as much sense as letting Oracle design your health insurance website.

      Actually, it's a multi-billion dollar, international boondoggle. NJ is not a special case. Pearson's headquarters are actually in London England. Pearson has offices in NJ, yes, but they have offices all over the USA and around the world. If your school district has any money left in it's budget, you can bet there's an army of Pearson reps doing everything they can get that money into John Fallon's coffers.

    4. Re:$100 Million??? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Not really a special case. This is happening all over. I'm in New York and our governor has all but declared war on teachers, blaming them for students failing (after pushing for high stakes tests which only 33% of kids passed), and threatening to close down public schools in favor of business-run charter schools. (Businesses which contribute to his campaign, of course.)

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  3. $100 million by WaterDamage · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since when did it start to cost $100 million to administer a test??? The schools are out of freaking control and are gouging the life out of property taxes. It's time we end the fiasco and do 100% online virtual schools or fire the union, pension hoarding teachers and replace them with robots or TV's. In today's day and age, there is no reason why they can't record all the lectures into video format and play them back. As far as tests are concerned, every kid should get a different randomized test in front of a computer with a time limit. It's time we put our foot down and end the waste of tax dollars on old bureaucratic nonsense.

    1. Re:$100 million by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      More like "Fire the school administrators who approve this crap." This one is not on the teachers.

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    2. Re:$100 million by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 3

      Since when have government run schools been "free market". In a free market, those who benefit from the purchase choose what to purchase and how much of their money to spend on it.
      You can argue that those who are choosing to spend this money are the ones benefiting from it, but if you make that argument do not try to argue that the purpose is education.
      The theory behind public education is that everyone benefits from a well educated population, therefore everyone should pay. The problem with that theory is that we then turn around and say that we should let experts decide how to spend the money. The "experts" can gain a lot more value for themselves from that money by allocating it in ways which do not improve educational results. So they do so.

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    3. Re:$100 million by Entrope · · Score: 3

      What part of one level of government coercing another level of government to adopt new educational standards, and then both of them together working to select a contractor to do these extra things (that even the government realizes it's too incompetent to run on its own), all while pushing private schools to the sideline, reminds you of a free market?

    4. Re:$100 million by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Replacing them with robots and TVs is essentially what the common core, and before that, the myriad of state standards with standardized tests, aim to do. Gone are the days of planning particularly interesting lessons related to the actual kids in the room, having the flexibility to explore a particularly curious topic, etc. Most teachers are picking up their "Teachers Manuals," almost exclusively from giants like Pearson, and following numbered steps like its the magic recipe for teaching kids X topic.

      Whats missing? Actually learning how to LEARN. Which then shackles the majority of the kids to the awful system ignorant people have created for them.

      Its disgusting and citizens should be enraged by it but those most prone to get angry and speak out are far too busy on non-issues like the AP History curriculum not being patriotic enough.

    5. Re:$100 million by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Gone are the days of planning particularly interesting lessons related to the actual kids in the room, having the flexibility to explore a particularly curious topic, etc. Most teachers are picking up their "Teachers Manuals," almost exclusively from giants like Pearson, and following numbered steps like its the magic recipe for teaching kids X topic.

      This. Ten million times this.

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    6. Re:$100 million by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, because it's the teachers who chose Pearson and are getting a slice of that $100 million.

    7. Re:$100 million by Entrope · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are special needs kids who can't just click through a test on a computer screen -- blind children are an obvious example, and anyone with dyslexia needs special accommodations for the test to accurately measure skills beyond reading comprehension. Anything more complicated than a multiple-choice question -- for example, being able to get partial credit for showing work in a math or science problem, or any essay question -- tends to be very hard to grade by computer. Setting up computer-focused course materials takes extra work, and if that doesn't amortize over enough classes, it is wasted effort. How often does the course material need to be reworked, do to changes in the available hardware and software platforms? Does the computerized curriculum mean that schools in the inner city, rich suburbs, and rural areas all need to have their students follow the same curriculum, or is there any room to tailor to local needs and abilities?

      There certainly is a lot of budget that is wasted or abused in public schools, and bureaucracy and teacher's unions contribute much to that, but good solutions are not always as simple as they seem from the outside. If they were, we'd see more success stories of how a plucky reformer (with backing from the right school board members or whomever else) was able to turn a failing school around and deliver improved results for notably less money.

    8. Re:$100 million by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Replacing them with robots and TVs is essentially what the common core, and before that, the myriad of state standards with standardized tests, aim to do. Gone are the days of planning particularly interesting lessons related to the actual kids in the room, having the flexibility to explore a particularly curious topic, etc. Most teachers are picking up their "Teachers Manuals," almost exclusively from giants like Pearson, and following numbered steps like its the magic recipe for teaching kids X topic.

      The Common Core isn't perfect, but the problem you're describing isn't with the Common Core. It's with education companies like Pearson who sell the scripted curriculum and administrators who buy it and require that teachers follow the script.

    9. Re:$100 million by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Here's a hint: those out-of-control teachers had no say in choosing the contractor for this test, nor in overpaying them; and they won't be seeing a cut of the administration costs(except in the weak sense that they'll be administered on school days, which are days teachers are paid to work).

      Perhaps more importantly, who do you think would end up selling you those 'robots or TV's', and how much do you think you'd end up paying for them, if Pearson is currently able to score 100 million for handing out a bunch of bubble sheets(with the staff already present in schools doing most of the actual handling and proctoring)?

      If you can't successfully order a prosaic little test without getting gouged by the contractor, that's typically a very compelling sign that you aren't ready to go shopping for more advanced gizmos.

    10. Re: $100 million by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then they die. Only the strongest survive in our computerized future.

    11. Re: $100 million by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Back when the Bush Administration started this business of increased standardized tests (also pushed in red states by neocon governors) the Congressional Budget Office said in a review that the primary effect of this would be to turn the testing industry from a multi million dollar industry to a multi billion dollar one. The effect on education was considered negligible.

      You want poor education? THIS is how you get poor education.

    12. Re:$100 million by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not like we want to. We hate it. But each year the pressure to shut up and teach the standard lessons ratchets up just a bit more.

    13. Re:$100 million by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Preaching to the choir my friend, I've dated two teachers and know all about it. More than that, the teachers I remember the most from my own childhood, the ones that made the biggest impression on me, they're the ones that deviated from the lesson plan and made their classes fun and engaging.

      American public education is doomed.

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    14. Re:$100 million by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems likely your teachers developed their own materials and somehow you missed the section on correct use of "its" and "it's". Maybe your third grade teacher thought your fourth grade teacher would cover the topic and your fourth grade teacher assumed your third grade teacher had covered the topic. Perhaps you moved between third and fourth grade and your old and new schools taught material in a different order so you missed out on this important topic.

      Standard lesson plans across teachers, schools, districts, and states would help reduce such glaring shortcomings.

    15. Re:$100 million by ranton · · Score: 2

      Since when did it start to cost $100 million to administer a test???

      If we are going to spend this much on tests, I wish we could actually get some tests worth this kind of money. Create a test with 100,000 questions, but with only a hundred or so given to each individual student. For a school with 100 3rd graders, you would only give 10% of the total questions to this school. This way there could be no "teaching to the test" because the material on the test is too vast. And you don't have to worry about students cheating. Teachers would simply have to teach the way they used to, but with tools helping them find areas of improvement.

      With enough of these tests given out, you could produce statistically significant metrics. Tests could also continuously evolve if they find the results are not a good predictor of actual knowledge. Current standardized testing has been found to be a very poor predictor, but probably only because the statistics used to measure and create the tests are so poor. We should not only say a history class is scoring in the bottom 20% on the civil war, but also that there is a 60% chance they could really be in the top 50% because the sample size of questions / students were too small.

      If you go another step further and have teachers record data on what general information was covered each week, the algorithms could make great use of this data. The results could take into account that it has been 5 months since you covered the civil war. Now you would be measuring long term retention instead. The algorithms could even give scientifically studied recommendations on what material to cover to provide a better breadth of knowledge for the students.

      For this kind of money, we should be getting tools that actually help in teaching instead of just those used in a perverse blame game.

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    16. Re:$100 million by tompaulco · · Score: 4, Informative

      More like "Fire the school administrators who approve this crap." This one is not on the teachers.

      Fire the school administrators anyway. People complain about the teacher's union, but teacher's salaries have barely kept up with inflation. The administration budget, meanwhile, has gone up by thousands or tens of thousands of percent all across the country. Why were we able to get by in the 70s and 80s with effectively a couple of secretaries and a principal, but now we need an entire separate building to house hundreds of administrators? Why is the student to administrator ratio less than the student to teacher ratio? It is needless red tape and needless expense that drives up property taxes and sales taxes and reduces the amount of money going toward education. Fire all of them and education will be improved.
      In my school district, in the 1970s, the band program received $15,000 a year, which helped to repair, replace and purchase instruments, music, and equipment. It is now $1,500 in actual dollars or $243 in inflation adjusted dollars. Meanwhile the administrative staff in my school district has gone from a size of perhaps 20 in the 1970s to several hundred now. The number of students in the district has remained approximately the same. The number of teachers has gone down so we can afford to pay all the administrators. Other services have disappeared as well. Bus service is only available if you live more than 1.5 miles from the school. School lunches have been cut back such that about once a week my kids come home and tell me that the cafeteria ran out of the meal and gave them a cold sandwich, yet charged full price.
      What administrative costs have done to our schools is a nationwide epidemic and needs to be reversed and quickly. The entire department lives only continue its own existence at the expense of our children's education.

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    17. Re:$100 million by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your write, clearly that misuse made they're entire statement incomprehensible. Its you're hard work that helps make sure their is less ignorance in the world.

    18. Re:$100 million by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, there's a need to have a fundamental knowledge/skill set for everyone that goes through the school system but it has gone too far. You need to have far fewer concrete facts and skills mandated and only make the most important actually required. It's 2015, the internet exists (and we should make sure all students have access), if you want to learn about something, you just need to be able to think critically and be able to evaluate a source's credibility – this is one of the main things that should be focused on.

      Does every kid need to come out of high school knowing calculus? Hell no. Does every kid need to come out of high school being able to think critically and evaluate the information people are giving them? Hell yes. The current state of affairs in the United States shows that both these skills have been declining for quite awhile in the general population.

    19. Re: $100 million by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      The teachers, by and large, do not like these tests because 1) they are high pressure and designed to make kids look like they are failing, 2) don't actually give any useful information about what a student knows, and 3) are tied to the teachers' job.

      So the students take the tests, are proclaimed to be failing (by the same companies who sell "fixes" for failing students coincidentally), and the blame gets tossed on the teacher who can then be fired because BIG-COMPANY-WHO-PROFITS-OFF-KIDS-FAILING said so.

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    20. Re:$100 million by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      all while pushing private schools to the sideline

      Come again? Standardized testing goes hand in hand with charter schools, who's primary, secondary and tertiary purpose is to privatize public education.

    21. Re:$100 million by Entrope · · Score: 1

      Why in the world do you think that standardized testing is good for, or inherent to, charter schools? Standardized testing long predates charter schools. Standardized testing -- and standardized curricula, which is what Common Core is really pushing -- are in many ways an antithesis to charter schools. Charter schools are successful to the extent that they can distinguish themselves from what their (public or private) competitors offer. If all schools have the same material and the same tests, and those mandated bits cover as much of the school year as Common Core says they must, then charter schools will have precious little to distinguish themselves with. Besides, charter schools are at best a hybrid between private and public education. They're good in that they generally let parents choose a school for their children, but bad in that they are much more accountable to the existing public-school bureaucracy rather than to parents.

      The primary way that government has (very intentionally) pushed private schools to the sideline is by using fairly uniform taxes, usually in the form of property taxes, to pay for the public schools. Anyone who wants to send a child to a private school has, until the very recent phenomenon of school-choice vouchers, had to pay twice: Once for public schools, and once for the private school they choose for the child.

    22. Re:$100 million by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Here in my town we have a Vice-Principal with 14 administrators... personnally. The overall breakdown is 50-60 administrators, 30 teachers, and around 30 kids per class. Nothing out of wack here.

    23. Re:$100 million by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lets see. Some moron (we will call them a politician) passes a law that you have to do 'x' so now someone has to track it. That happens a few thousand times and now you have 2 people so they need a boss (no clue why on that one). Then the feds get involved and now you need people to track those new laws. Every year overhead goes up because we have more laws enforcing more minutia doing less good.

      You want to get rid of them? Repeal all the laws about education and you will see a much leaner system. Now, its not going to do all those stupid things you like now but...

    24. Re:$100 million by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...
      Seriously, are you to stupid that you can't put the kool-aid aside and not buy the latest moronic propaganda?

      You do know when they say "teaching to the test" they are talking about a huge range of things that the kids are required to know not just some 100 facts they have to regurgitate. It is not like the actually have a copy of the test and they are literally teaching to that one test. Better yet your track the "general information [that] was covered" bit actually sounds just like the type of things they do when they are... wait for it... teaching to the test.

      There are some valid criticisms to this type of teaching. It is a form of rote memorization (think multiplication tables) that just teaches factoids but doesn't help much when it comes time to put it all together into a cohesive whole. It teaches conformity to whatever the teachers say. It not only fails to reward creativity but tends to actively punish it.

      Personally I think that in grade 1 it should all be rote memorization and by grade 5 it should be about 50/50. At that point anyone who is capable of higher reasoning should be pulled aside into a curriculum that is less and less about memorization and more about reasoning.

    25. Re:$100 million by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Attention:

      Common Core does not specify a curriculum.
      Common Core does not specify a curriculum.
      Common Core does not specify a curriculum.
      Common Core does not specify a curriculum.
      Common Core does not specify a curriculum.

      Turn off Fox News and actually look it up. There is no Common Core curriculum. It is a set of standards.

    26. Re:$100 million by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Common Core isn't a curriculum and has no required materials or teaching methods.

      Teachers that think outside the box can still think outside the box under Common Core.. especially because the STANDARDS set aside in Common Core have been around for decades in a lot of states!

      Those teachers you dated are still free to do what they want. If any curriculum is required by their school, it's the school district doing that, not Common Core. Corrupt money exchange curriculum buy-ins have been around since before Common Core.

    27. Re:$100 million by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Why in the world you think we're in the same universe, post NCLB and RTTT? You wouldn't also happen to be one of those people who scoff at today's student loan debt because you got your BS in '94 while working part time at Home Depot - before a tenfold rise in tuition and the 2006 bankruptcy bill which makes even non-government backed education loans undischargeable in bankruptcy?

      School funding depends on students doing well on these standardized tests. Otherwise the funding is lost, the school is closed, and charter is set up in it's place. So, just like I said, these tests go hand in hand with the charter school "movement", which is about privatizing public education.

    28. Re:$100 million by ranton · · Score: 1

      It is not like the actually have a copy of the test and they are literally teaching to that one test.

      They do generally have guidelines of what will be included on the tests, which is what they use when "teaching to the test." Some examples include the curriculum frameworks given for the AP exams. I concede that more breadth in testing questions wouldn't help stop schools from becoming a more Korean-like rote memorization environment, but I didn't really plan on giving a 50 page dissertation about every detail of developing national tests in a Slashdot post.

      There are tests developed to measure things like critical thinking and problem solving. PISA is one example. The more data we acquire the better we can measure skills with multiple choice and short answer questions, instead of more labor intensive and very unreliable intuition based criteria.

      Increased testing does not have to mean increased rote memorization. It is yet another strawman argument used by those who feel there are parts of our education system that are beyond improvement.

      Seriously, are you to stupid that you can't put the kool-aid aside and not buy the latest moronic propaganda?

      And BTW, don't be an asshole.

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    29. Re:$100 million by Entrope · · Score: 1

      The same universe as what? My argument doesn't rest on some idea of the way things used to be. What are you smoking that makes you think name-dropping NCLB or RTTT is a convincing argument? What does the current affordability of college have to do with whether standardized testing at the K-12 level helps charter schools? (For the record, I think an awful lot, and maybe a majority, of college degrees are currently overpriced, and students are suckers for taking out big loans to pay for them.)

      Charters are judged -- even more harshly -- based on results of these standardized tests. The fact that there's a mechanism to set up charter schools when the public schools suck has nothing to do with the fact that governments have long tried to, and still do, push private schools into the margin. Government's efforts to do so make a mockery of the AC's claim that this social-media snooping debacle was caused by "the philosophy that the free market will be the best solution in every walk of life".

    30. Re:$100 million by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is not what Common Core is.
      Not even close.

      Since you picked "Anonymous" , I'll join you as well.

    31. Re:$100 million by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I'd go one more level up. Fire the politicians who decide that they need to spend money on these garbage tests from Pearson to prove that our kids are failing so that Pearson can sell those politicians the solution.

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    32. Re:$100 million by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      My wife was a teacher. When we were expecting our second son, we did some budgeting and realized that, after daycare, after school care for our oldest son, and other expenses for her to continue teaching, we'd be PAYING money for her to keep her job. Her salary as a teacher was just too low. Not to mention that she had to deal with so much stress (from kids, parents, administrators) and worked so many long hours (begin before kids arrive to set up, stay late to grade tests, work on vacations to come up with new lesson plans, etc). Anyone who thinks teachers are high paid, have a cushy job, and work short hours doesn't know the first thing about teaching.

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    33. Re:$100 million by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      My wife and I are fighting back against just this in New York state. Here, the politicians have enacted EngageNY which is literally a script for teachers to read. It tells them not only what subjects to cover, but what to say, how to say it, what questions to ask the kids, what their responses should be, and how long (down to the minute) to spend on each section. Gone are the days of teachers using their brains/skills and tailoring lessons to the strengths of each kid. Now, they are required to read the script and emote on command like an actor. Each kid is required to learn in exactly the same way because the politicians decided that one size really does fit all when it comes to education. And if it doesn't work, don't worry. Pearson and other big education companies are standing by to sell "solutions" such as training seminars for teachers. (Teachers need to take time off to attend Studio Classroom sessions where they learn how to follow the EngageNY script.)

      Oh, and what if teachers go off-script? The politicians have that covered. Tests are administered and if the kids don't continually keep getting better on the tests, the teachers can be fired. So if a teacher wants to keep his/her job, they should spend as much time on test prep and following EngageNY as possible. Actual learning is not required.

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    34. Re:$100 million by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Common Core isn't a curriculum and has no required materials or teaching methods.

      Teachers that think outside the box can still think outside the box under Common Core.. especially because the STANDARDS set aside in Common Core have been around for decades in a lot of states!

      Not in New York. Here, Common Core was implemented using EngageNY which is a series of scripts that tell teachers what subjects to cover, what to say, how to say it, what questions to ask, what kids' responses should be, and how long (down to the minute) to spend on each section.

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    35. Re:$100 million by Peter+Simpson · · Score: 1

      There certainly is a lot of budget that is wasted or abused in public schools, and bureaucracy and teacher's unions contribute much to that,...

      Hmmm. I'm with you on the bureaucracy part, but I don't think it's just about money. You can't have a good school system without well paid teachers, good facilities and materials, and an environment that helps kids want to learn.

      The town I live in is a "bedroom community" with little or no commercial tax base. Down the road a bit, is a wealthy town, with a lot of multi-million dollar mansions and a fairly good commercial tax base. Our town struggles to fund our schools, while the wealthy town has all the extras. Our kids still do well, mostly because we have a small group of dedicated teachers (unionized) who care. They aren't paid like the teachers in the wealthy town, and they are currently being strangled with more paperwork and requirements in order to remain licensed, thanks to the sentiment that "we need to weed out all the bad teachers" which is currently in vogue. Many older more experienced teachers are retiring, rather than put up with the additional burden.

      What's my point? Education is in a crisis, but I strongly disagree that it's because of teacher unions, at least in my town. The "Kansas attitude", religious and political interference with curriculum, is one cause. The political push for constant testing and debate over metrics is another. The battle over Common Core is a third. It seems that the new attitude is to dumb down the curriculum, test more and then wonder why kids are still getting lower grades. Perhaps we should let the teachers work it out, instead of the politicians, demagogues and publishing companies?

    36. Re: $100 million by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well said. GP is a corminust.

    37. Re:$100 million by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People complain about the teacher's union

      Why bother? It can't be that powerful if it only has one member.

  4. $100 million by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More like rethink the philosophy that the free market will be the best solution in every walk of life.

  5. You're in PUBLIC, morons. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Telling on you is not spying if you're standing on a soap box and shouting for all to hear.

  6. valuable lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Parsons strike me a a useful teaching tool. Lessons learned include:
    1) don't use Facebook, Twitter, etc.
    2) encrypt private email

  7. False positives. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many false positives users will be able to generate?

  8. will somebody please explain this to me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What did the student tweet that was so bad? Were they under contractual obligation not to tweet about the test??

    Isn't this just a computer-era version of the Iowa basic assessments we took as kids? Those were just buried in our school records next to our high-jump score. Why are these new tests different?

    1. Re:will somebody please explain this to me? by theodp · · Score: 1

      She tweeted the following test question, "Is George Orwell's '1984' fiction or non-fiction?" :-)

    2. Re:will somebody please explain this to me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In 1949 it was considered fiction, today it is now non-fiction. :(

  9. What a scam by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Someone is making a fuck of a lot of money out of this. What a scam.

  10. Stopping students from sharing test questions? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 2

    You might as well try to stop the tide from coming in. The case in question was a tweet after the test was taken; not during the test. If Pearson is so worried about the test integrity and question confidentiality then completely re-write all the questions so they are new, vet the instrument to be sure it measures what you claim it measures (which is a whole argument in and of itself), and administer a new test every time. Of course, that costs a lot of money so it's easier, and much cheaper, to raise a "Priority 1 Alert" (Danger Danger Will Robinson) and put the onus on the school and student.

    It's just another symptom of a badly broken, but financially lucrative, testing system out of control. It's not no child left behind but no teacher left standing.

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    1. Re:Stopping students from sharing test questions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am I understanding this correctly if I think that they are issuing tests and then they are being taken at different points in time in different schools? What happened to scheduling the test at the same date and time everywhere? Hasn't that always been the standard way to do things?

      When you hold the tests simultaneously, there's no need to waste money monitoring social media just to catch the few questions that might be communicated that way, and there's no chance that anyone will manage to spoil the integrity of the test, regardless of your monitoring effords, by communicating questions undetectably (unless you are a government agency) via telephone, word of mouth, letters in the mail, or any of the other means that become unavoidably possible when you hold the same test at different times. Surely that's a win-win situation, unless there is some ulterior purpose to not doing it that way.

    2. Re:Stopping students from sharing test questions? by MiniMike · · Score: 1

      That's an obvious solution of course, I think the holdup on it is that the test is given on dedicated Chomebooks, and they don't have enough of them to administer the test to all students at once.

  11. ...and it was after the test by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It also appears that the question was posted after the test was taken. In this case there is no security issue because the exam has already been administered. If they are not giving the same exam at the same time everywhere - or at least with enough of an overlap that nobody leaves before the exam starts anywhere else - then the problem is their own broken security model. It's not academic cheating if someone who has completed the exam discusses the questions in public and since they are minors they can't even sign a contract to enforce legal penalties.

    1. Re:...and it was after the test by BitterOak · · Score: 1

      It's not academic cheating if someone who has completed the exam discusses the questions in public and since they are minors they can't even sign a contract to enforce legal penalties.

      There may not be legal penalties, but there could be academic penalties. Minors get caught and punished for cheating on school tests all the time.

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    2. Re:...and it was after the test by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      Not specifically intending to defend the AC here, but I reread several times the post he was replying to. I am not seeing anything referencing time zones, just talk about the same exam needing to be administered at the same time everywhere. In that case, it could even be in different facilities within the same city. Like say School A giving the test at 9 in the morning, while across town, School B has it scheduled for 2 in the afternoon.

      That said, even when talking about here in the continental U.S, time zones could still be irrelevant in this discussion. We have 4 of them here, Pacific, Mountain, Central, and Eastern, covering a 4 hour stretch. A typical school day is long enough to where these tests could still be given at the same time in all 4 zones without requiring any group to come in early or stay late.

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  12. Not new at all by cashman73 · · Score: 1

    This really isn't new at all. The American Chemical Society has monitored the web in general to keep people from posting versions of its standardized chemistry exams online. A couple of years ago, they busted a professor at a school in Florida for copying questions from the exam and posting those online. The school was fined a fairly large sum of money.

    1. Re:Not new at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... copying questions from the exam ...

      That would be copyright violation. But even facing the question obliquely, the ACS can change the chemicals and quantities mentioned before the next exam so next year's students can't memorize the answer. Likewise with the original story, Pearson can change the numbers before the next examination sitting.

  13. You are not "anti-spying", you are only saying it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are not "anti-spying" when you support spying of "public" posts _that should have a reasonable expectation of privacy_.

  14. Exactly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For someone who supports spying, everything they want to spy is "public", because they think they shouldn't have a reasonable expectation of privacy -when they should-.

  15. A Facebook page is not public; it is spying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook users should have a reasonable expectation that posts that are meant only for their social circle -to not be spied on-.

  16. Reporter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bob Braun was never a reporter. He was an opinion guy who spent 50 years shilling for the teachers unions.

  17. Teachers want these tests like you want communism by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    The schools are out of freaking control and are gouging the life out of property taxes. It's time we end the fiasco and do 100% online virtual schools or fire the union, pension hoarding teachers

    "A noun, a verb, and teacher unions". You wingers and your one track minds...you think teachers want billions in education funds diverted to corporations like Pearson? Because that's what standardized tests are all about. That, and de-proffessionalizing education by forcing educators to teach to the test or lose their jobs.

    and replace them with robots or TV's

    As has already been pointed out to you, Pearson would love nothing more than to do just that. They'd be quite, quite happy to sell you Pearson programming and "edutainment" contracts.

  18. Really didn't RTFA? by Uberbah · · Score: 2

    The tweet "referenced a test question" AFTER the exam had already been administered. If Pearson depends on asking the same questions year after year, then WTF are they charging a hundred million bucks for? And how about the fascism of the company demanding the district punish the student for discussing the test after the test?

    Nothing Orwellian here, move along citizen.

  19. million fake tweets with blurry question pictures? by tech-law-ny · · Score: 1

    Although nobody should send fake tweets, I wonder what plans Pearson has for a scenario with a huge amount of chaff to investigate. For example: suppose many accounts sent tweets in a 1 hour period after school on your local area's testing day, all of the tweets had relevant text keywords and a picture reminiscent of a PARCC sample test question, and all of the pictures had various problems (blurriness, poor contrast, aimed at the corner of a page, etc.) that would make analysis expensive.

  20. Disclosing Test Questions is a Problem by Etherwalk · · Score: 2

    It also appears that the question was posted after the test was taken. In this case there is no security issue because the exam has already been administered. If they are not giving the same exam at the same time everywhere - or at least with enough of an overlap that nobody leaves before the exam starts anywhere else - then the problem is their own broken security model. It's not academic cheating if someone who has completed the exam discusses the questions in public and since they are minors they can't even sign a contract to enforce legal penalties.

    This is more or less completely not the way standardized testing works.

    Standardized testing works by using current test questions and possible test questions for the future and mixing them together, scoring some and not scoring others, and relies on being able to re-use questions. That re-use is how you normalize the difficulty of exams. You agree not to discuss the questions.

    The seriousness of discussing them goes up as the professionalism required goes up. Talking about Bar exam questions can be a *massive* deal. Talking about LSAT questions can be a big deal. Talking about SAT questions can be an issue that affects your college admissions prospects.

    As a practical matter, a very small bit of discussion is normal, mostly just with people who took the test right after it. Good testing authorities only care if you cross the line--like describing a test question to an unfiltered audience or in an online forum or test prep book, for example. Posting a question to twitter is not okay. Posting comments that reveal something about the particular test is technically not okay, but you have to actually look at the circumstances and make a judgment call. (A lot depends on whether everyone has finished the particular test yet, for example.)

    That being said, there is *also* a financial incentive for testing companies to go after people who are too egregious. Test companies license old tests and sell them as prep materials.

    1. Re:Disclosing Test Questions is a Problem by Balthisar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's been a long time since I've taken a standardized test, but I don't remember ever signing a licence indicating my willingness not to divulge the contents. Given the quasi-mandatory nature of PARCC I can't imagine such a EULA having any real weight, if it exists.

      Barring any mutual agreement via a license or other contract, we still have some amount of freedom of expression in the USA, and discussion of a fact, such as the contents of an exam, would fall within that right. Even verbatim copying of some of the questions would fall within the realm of fair use. One might argue that copying the entire exam is fair use, but that's probably not defined in the courts as it is for telephone books and recipes, so I won't make that argument (I will mention it for consideration, however).

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    2. Re:Disclosing Test Questions is a Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is more or less completely not the way standardized testing works.

      Standardized testing works by using current test questions and possible test questions for the future and mixing them together, scoring some and not scoring others, and relies on being able to re-use questions. That re-use is how you normalize the difficulty of exams. You agree not to discuss the questions.

      This is actually not how you equate versions of exams. There's an entire branch of psychometric theory known as test equating, and it is practiced, in some methods pioneered, by ETS: especially for the SAT, GRE, LSAT et cet. There is a number of different ways, but one of the most common is what is called non-equivalent group anchor tests. Anchor tests are common items across tests, and they can be either internal (they count towards the total score) or external (they don't). You find the regression between the anchor and the score on test form X. You do the same for Y, and then you compute the inverse function of Y->A->X, so that you can impute the value of what the second sample's score would have been had they taken form X instead of form Y. The anchor allows us to equate tests that vary in difficulty to get a common metric. Wikipedia has a rather shallow page, but this book https://www.springer.com/us/book/9780387019857 by Alina von Davier and Paul Holland and Dorothy Thayer is exceptional for it's development of novel processes, and explanation. I also recommend the R package `equate' vignette for a brief but excellent methodological overview.

    3. Re:Disclosing Test Questions is a Problem by DesertJazz · · Score: 1

      You as a student don't sign a license as such, but as a teacher you do. Trust me, after a decade of dealing with standardized test NDA's I'm very familiar with them. You're given instructions to monitor conversations during lunch breaks and such. The tricky thing this with this issue is that many times there is a 'window' for a test to be given. The testing companies are worried that students in an earlier part of the window would share with the later part of the window. Honestly I remember reviewing test answers with my fellow classmates following tests... this is just taking it online. Teens are truly ignorant most of the time with Twitter and Facebook... I've had more drama with Twitter this year than I think I could have dreamed of. I'm not surprised in the least they're monitoring sites. Biggest thing would be getting rid of these tests altogether. Sorry, I don't feel they have nearly as much value as the testing companies would lead the public to believe. As long as they lobby state legislatures though with big bribes there's nothing we as teachers can do about them though.

    4. Re:Disclosing Test Questions is a Problem by Balthisar · · Score: 2

      Oh, I get that the testing companies want to prevent discussion, and that perhaps teachers are subject to an NDA, but the children are not. Perhaps they're subject to discipline on school grounds, but off grounds there's certainly no legal basis that prevents the children from discussing the contents of a test, whether it be face to face or electronically. I would suspect that the teachers' NDA is probably really a matter of disciplinary action from the administration rather than a signed license agreement, else we'd hear about a leak now and then. Did you actually sign an NDA? Was there an alternative, or was it akin to "sign this and so your job, or you don't have a job."?

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    5. Re:Disclosing Test Questions is a Problem by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

      That re-use is how you normalize the difficulty of exams. You agree not to discuss the questions.

      If you do it correctly you are re-using some questions out of a very large pool of questions. If some student wants to memorize every question ever asked then let them go for it - they will end up learning the material even if they think they are some how gaming the system. You can also alter some of the details e.g. numbers in a question without really changing the difficulty.

      How do you get a minor to agree to this? Their signature carries no weight and it would be a violation of academic integrity and ethics to penalize an exam mark for an action which could not possible affect the mark. The need for restrictions like this are the result of sloppy and lazy exam writing: I've written and administered many exams myself and never needed to do this. Nor when I was a school kid myself was their any such restriction placed on me after taking an exam: even ones which were administered across the country: everyone took the exam at the same time everywhere.

      Test companies license old tests and sell them as prep materials.

      Then that's a copyright argument and you go after that in the courts with lawyers. You do not have the teachers monitor conversations during lunch or monitor discussion sites for any mention of the test. Instead you look for someone posting a copy of the test and then have your lawyer contact them.

  21. Star Ledger breaking a story on ethics is funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They saw an Asbury Park Press story about my ex and our farm. They liked it so much but didn't want to plagerize so they changed details to the point it was useless fluff.

    The testing company can't rewrite the test everytime it's given, how would you compare test results?!

    Posting the the question and answer is cheating, be it on Twitter, FB or the bathroom wall

  22. Hmmm by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

    Pearson...

    So before long there will be accurate question / answer lists for this just there are for everything else Pearson tests.

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  23. Tor up your ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has the potential to get real nasty.. Not all teenagers are idiots, some are actually pretty smart, innovative and enjoy subverting the system. How long before some kid sets up a Tor site where anyone can post answers to any test? I predict the consequences will be kids being banned from the Internet (or at least heavily monitored) around exam time. Maybe enforceable by law.