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Facebook Sued For Alleged Theft of Data Center Design

itwbennett writes British engineering company BladeRoom Group says it contacted Facebook in 2011 about using its technique, which involves constructing data centers in a modular fashion from pre-fabricated parts. What happened next isn't clear, since much of the public version of BRG's lawsuit is redacted. But it claims Facebook ended up stealing its ideas and using them to build part of a data center in Lulea, Sweden, that opened last year. 'Facebook's misdeeds might never have come to light had it decided that simply stealing BRG's intellectual property was enough,' the company said in its lawsuit, filed Monday at the federal district court in San Jose, California. "Instead, Facebook went further when it decided to encourage and induce others to use BRG's intellectual property though an initiative created by Facebook called the 'Open Compute Project.'"

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  1. Modular design... by JMJimmy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... it's apparently an exclusive concept to BRG [facepalm]

    1. Re:Modular design... by Falos · · Score: 3, Funny

      Facepalming as an expression of exasperation is a conceptual construct that is my imaginary property and you have to give me money for saying, using, or thinking it.

      Anywhere in the universe. Forever.

    2. Re:Modular design... by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I shall pay you for that immediately! Please, take my first born as penance.

    3. Re:Modular design... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Congratulations on taking the standard Slashdot approach of taking such a broad view of the claim that you must be in orbit when considering the case.

      BRG feels it can show in court that it can prove that Facebook was approached by BRG with its design methodology for modular data centres, that it can prove that Facebook went on to use BRGs design methodologies in a directly related project with agreement with BRG, and they also feel that they can prove that their design methodologies are special enough in the competitive space that they should fall under the protection of a court.

      BRG isn't suing the thousands of other modular building companies out there. Just Facebook for this one, very defined case.

    4. Re:Modular design... by blackomegax · · Score: 2

      Yeah, i mean, if you're going to effectively patent troll, target the company with the most value first. And then fabricate all the evidence since they aren't even citing patent afaik.

    5. Re:Modular design... by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 2

      Hey -- don't ignore the DESIGN part of "Modular Design". A crime novel may follow a pattern seen elsewhere in other crime novels, but lifting while chapters out would constitute breach of copyright. Just because creating something according to a certain methodology is known, that doesn't make your methodology that you labored developing worthless and public domain.

    6. Re:Modular design... by JMJimmy · · Score: 2

      I get that BRG feels that way. Considering the specifics of their claim it sounds like Facebook contacted them expecting something unique and novel, found it wasn't, and BRG being greedy and knowing it's the all mighty Facebook tried to gouge them and lost any hope of working together. Facebook went on and said, "lets just do what we do every day and build in a modular manner" (you know, like classes/methods in programming).

      It's such an obvious and old concept that it's not even worth thinking about that much. Read 80s architecture magazines, modular was all the fad back then.

    7. Re:Modular design... by JMJimmy · · Score: 0

      Depends on the country... Canada has a bunch of exceptions in their copyright law regarding building design.

    8. Re:Modular design... by jcr · · Score: 2

      BRG feels it can show in court that it can prove

      More like, BRG thinks FB will pay them to fuck off.

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    9. Re:Modular design... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BRG isn't suing the thousands of other modular building companies out there. Just Facebook for this one, very defined case.

      Because IP trolls never go after one or two individuals / corporations first, before going after the rest. /rolls_eyes

      Not saying BRG is an IP troll, only that your logic is lacking.

    10. Re:Modular design... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, i mean, if you're going to effectively patent troll ...

      TFA says nothing about patents. The lawsuit is over trade secrets and breach of contract. This clearly implies that a contract was signed between BRG and Facebook, and that as a result of that contract, BRG disclosed their trade secrets to Facebook. So the only thing that matters here is what does the contract say? Since we don't know that, commenting further on this issue is silly.

    11. Re:Modular design... by davester666 · · Score: 1

      You'll also have to turn over your sperm and/or eggs in perpetuity so you can't make any more copies in the future.

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    12. Re:Modular design... by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      Facepalming as an expression of exasperation is a conceptual construct that is my imaginary property and you have to give me money for saying, using, or thinking it. Anywhere in the universe. Forever.

      I would never use that expression of exasperation anyway...
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    13. Re:Modular design... by hermitdev · · Score: 1

      Yeah, i mean, if you're going to effectively patent troll, target the company with the most value first.

      This is not usually how patent trolls operate. They usually test the waters against small companies that can ill afford to take a infringement case to trial. Once a certain level of precedence is set with victories or settlements at a relatively cheep cost, then you go after the big fish with the big pockets (having already fattened your own war chest with prior "wins".

    14. Re:Modular design... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      TFA says nothing about patents. The lawsuit is over trade secrets and breach of contract.

      TFS says nothing about contracts, and this is slashdot so you have to assume that people will not RTFA. I blame the summary.

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    15. Re:Modular design... by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      TFS says nothing about contracts, and this is slashdot so you have to assume that people will not RTFA. I blame the summary.

      From TFA:

      BRG is suing Facebook for theft of trade secrets and breach of contract, among other things, and asks for a jury trial. It’s seeking unspecified financial damages and an injunction to stop anyone using its technique.

      It didn't say about signing, but BRG claims that they have established a contract with FB. It could be paper/verbal contract. Who knows at this point?

  2. Wouldn't be the first time... by myowntrueself · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Wouldn't be the first time that Mark had blatantly stolen someone else's idea.

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    1. Re:Wouldn't be the first time... by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't be the first time that Mark had blatantly stolen someone else's idea.

      Next up, BRG will abandon their ridiculous claims, be put on trial for fraud, cut off their monitoring anklets and tape them to a broom handle mounted on a ceiling fan. You know, for fun. CYA in Belize!!!

    2. Re:Wouldn't be the first time... by davester666 · · Score: 1

      At least they are hardware people, so they should be able to come up with something more convincing of their movement than that broom handle/ceiling fan thing.

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  3. Google already had this idea... in 2009... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Datacenter in a shipping container anyone?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Modular_Data_Center

    1. Re:Google already had this idea... in 2009... by OiPolloi · · Score: 1

      What about a data center in a shipping container... From 2007 (or earlier)? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

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    2. Re:Google already had this idea... in 2009... by GuyverDH · · Score: 1

      You are correct - I missed that one, and I even recall Sun's announcement about them... Bitrot in the synapses is my only excuse...

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  4. Lawyers must be warming up... by bogaboga · · Score: 1

    'Facebook's misdeeds might never have come to light had it decided that simply stealing BRG's intellectual property was enough,' the company said in its lawsuit, filed Monday at the federal district court in San Jose, California.

    They surely must be salivating...

  5. prior art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "its technique, which involves constructing data centers in a modular fashion from pre-fabricated parts."

    sounds kinda like how we used to build cell sites twenty-five years ago... (back when they required dedicated buildings)

  6. Concepts Aren't Proprietary by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

    Particularly after you start trying to license/sell the concepts to a lot of other companies.

  7. LMFAO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OMG someone copied our building.

    I guess they invented construction and every step of the way themselves too, right?

    Typical "I did it all alone" mentality. Be it business, individuals or anyone else.

    1. Re:LMFAO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You didn't build that.

  8. Trade secret? by bws111 · · Score: 2

    How can you claim something is a trade secret if you show it to others? If you want to keep your design proprietary, patent it.

    1. Re:Trade secret? by monkeyxpress · · Score: 2

      It doesn't matter. The idea of these lawsuits is to just cause enough trouble that it becomes more economical for Facebook to settle than to spend the money on a legal defence. The litigants in this case likely have a still-born company so don't have anything to lose anyway. They are probably not even paying the lawyers involved.

      There really isn't much Facebook can do. If they see it through to a successful defence I assure you the litigants will have zero funds to pay out Facebook's costs and will just go under, probably popping up a week later as a new company. So Facebook are going to have to pay a lot of money anyway and seeing the case through to trial also runs the small risk of having a judgement against them. Anyway you can see that if you were unscrupulous and in the litigants position it isn't a bad option if you can't make money from, you know, an actual business.

      It is a stupid system, but I guess the mitigating factor is it will only happen to you if you are really rich.

    2. Re:Trade secret? by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Informative

      How can you claim something is a trade secret if you show it to others? If you want to keep your design proprietary, patent it.

      Or, show it to prospective customers/partners under a Non Disclosure Agreement. Like happens millions of times a year throughout most industries, and probably (I'd be very surprised to find otherwise) happened in this case.

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    3. Re:Trade secret? by jeffmeden · · Score: 2

      How can you claim something is a trade secret if you show it to others? If you want to keep your design proprietary, patent it.

      Via a handy catch-all called an NDA. Facebook is in trouble if it stipulated something like "BRG is presenting designs in confidence and all material is proprietary and not to be copied for any reason... Facebook will be held liable for any material/tangential loss due to disclosure of included designs..." etc since Facebook has allegedly shared their "secret modular designs" with the construction firm that won the bid, and Open Compute Project.

    4. Re:Trade secret? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There really isn't much Facebook can do. If they see it through to a successful defence I assure you the litigants will have zero funds to pay out Facebook's costs and will just go under, probably popping up a week later as a new company. So Facebook are going to have to pay a lot of money anyway and seeing the case through to trial also runs the small risk of having a judgement against them.

      But if they show that they are an easy target more trolls will show up and milk them for money.
      Making sure that no-one wants to risk a legal battle against them in the future is an investment that pays off in the long run.
      All they have to do is give the layers free access to the database and let them harass the litigants and their families with personal info until they either backs off or commits suicide.
      Shouldn't be that expensive.

    5. Re:Trade secret? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Modular data centers, or really anything modular in the IT field, has been discussed in various incarnations for decades, either as a product or as a todo. Wikipedia's article even has external references that predate this claim.

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    6. Re:Trade secret? by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 0

      [head slap!] Now, it's beginning to all make sense...

      When I visited The World of Coke a couple of years ago, they would show me the vault that contains the Secret Formuler but not the Secret Formuler itself. Seems like a simple idear: I think these BRG jokers could learn a thing or two from the Coke folks...

    7. Re:Trade secret? by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not debating that. I presume that the company doing the complaining here is suggesting that despite the existing and well-discussed concept of modularity, they had something proprietary that was new or especially creative in leveraging that general concept. That's the sort of nitty-gritty detail that an NDA is supposed to protect.

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    8. Re:Trade secret? by VertigoAce · · Score: 1

      When I attended a conference on behalf of a large tech company, I was told to be on the lookout for people trying to pitch products or partnerships. These guys will say they are the CEO of some company, describe some obvious improvement for a future version of a product, then sue you for "stealing their idea" years later. The phrase "contacted Facebook" sounds more like "talked to a random employee" than "participated in a business meeting under NDA".

    9. Re:Trade secret? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      The phrase "contacted Facebook" sounds more like "talked to a random employee" than "participated in a business meeting under NDA".

      Could be - who knows. I'm sure that's exactly the sort of thing that would come out in the civil trial, or, being absent from any evidence provided in the suit, possibly cause the judge to throw the whole thing out. I'm party to multiple NDA's, and it can be very dangerous ground if you're not careful.

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    10. Re:Trade secret? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coca-Cola was immediately the company that came to mind! The whole point of a trade secret is to sacrifice breadth of protection for duration. While you have patents on one end of the spectrum (protects the entire idea but only for 22 years), trade secret is having no protection (beyond the loyalty of those who know the secret) but allows for that status to be maintained for an infinite amount of time.

      Had Coca-Cola applied for a patent (no, I'm not too sure a drink recipe would meet all the standards of the patent office), it would have had 22 years of IP protection but at the cost of making publicly available their formula. In other words, had they acquired a patent back-when, we would all currently be drinking 12 oz cans of Knock-Off Cola at a few cents a piece and it would all taste just like the "the real thing".

      Unless UK law behaves distinctly differently than US, I reckon - in the case of building designs and architecture - this idea of BRG's failed to satisfy the requirements of a patent and thus tried to rely on Trade Secret protection. But think about it - how the hell do you keep the design of your house (or office) a secret from pedestrians walking by (or guests walking through!)?

    11. Re:Trade secret? by bws111 · · Score: 0

      Yes, but if they had an NDA they should be suing for breaking the NDA, not theft of trade secrets.

    12. Re:Trade secret? by jeffmeden · · Score: 2

      Yes, but if they had an NDA they should be suing for breaking the NDA, not theft of trade secrets.

      Given that they had to redact a good bit of the material in the suit, my guess is that they are doing both. And why not? Trade secrets are internationally recognized as property, and property law is pretty easy to assert. If they can show a clear paper trail, they will probably win.

    13. Re:Trade secret? by afidel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yup, why do you think IBM and their Nazgul went after SCO so heavily despite it probably costing 10x what a settlement would have? Because it's cheaper in the long run to kill the invaders and put their heads on pikes outside your walls than to pay them off.

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    14. Re:Trade secret? by bws111 · · Score: 0

      NDAs are only for things that are not public. An NDA for a product under development makes sense. An NDA for a released product makes no sense.

    15. Re:Trade secret? by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      An NDA for a released product makes no sense.

      Sure it does. Just because a product is available to buy doesn't meant that every aspect of its design, operation, or future plans for evolution and enhancement by the manufacturer are something they consider public domain.

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    16. Re:Trade secret? by bws111 · · Score: 1

      Future plans would, by definition, be unreleased product, so that does not count.

      And it doesn't really matter what they 'consider' public domain. A car manufacturer may very well 'consider' his design to be a secret, but once the car is available for sale they can't successfully claim it IS a secret - it is right out there in public view. There may well be things that ARE secret, like how the design was done, what tools were used, etc, but those can not be determined by examining a care (well, if they can be determined then they aren't secret). If there are elements of the design that they wish to protect, then patents are used.

      Someone below used the example of Coca-Cola. Coke keeps it's formula secret. But if someone figures out the formula (without doing something illegal like breaking in to the vault) they can't claim the 'trade secret' was stolen.

      The only way an NDA makes sense in this case is if they planned to have every person who entered one of 'their' datacenters, for all eternity, sign an NDA. Doesn't make sense.

    17. Re:Trade secret? by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Future plans would, by definition, be unreleased product, so that does not count.

      It may indeed count - lots of products have latent features included specifically to support future developments or accessories, or interoperability with perhaps some other product or service which is still in development.

      A car manufacturer may very well 'consider' his design to be a secret, but once the car is available for sale they can't successfully claim it IS a secret

      The "car's design" may not be a "secret" in the most casual sense of that term, but there may be software features, or other aspects of things like interface design that are not yet put to work because new options are coming down the road. Even if a not-yet-used feature or interface is patented, that doesn't mean that knowledge of it or how it might leverage other third-party deals for new behavior or features isn't considered very much to be sensitive information and exactly the sort of thing you'd want to discuss under and NDA. I may have a patent on something, but that doesn't mean that everything I have to say with prospective partners or employees or retailers is something that I consider insignificantly strategic or sensitive to want to protect.

      The only way an NDA makes sense in this case is if they planned to have every person who entered one of 'their' datacenters, for all eternity, sign an NDA

      Just because you can walk into a datacenter doesn't mean you'll understand, by looking around, every last competitive detail about how things are being done under the hood.

      I have a pile of equipment running in a datacenter. There's a two-way NDA in place to protect both their operations and mine, not that either of us are doing anything terribly exciting. Sometimes the NDA is there just to keep the overall nature of the business arrangements or financial information from being disclosed. For example, I don't want MY customers to be able to pick around and find out what I pay for my co-lo space. Likewise, my datacenter doesn't want me to write a blog describing their internal security operations, or what I pay for the particular deal we struck three mergers/acquisitions ago.

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    18. Re:Trade secret? by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      How can you claim something is a trade secret if you show it to others? If you want to keep your design proprietary, patent it.

      That's what an NDA is for. If I have a trade secret, you sign an NDA and I tell you the trade secret because of the NDA, then (1) it stays a trade secret, and (2) if you breach the NDA I can get you for breach of contract _and_ with criminal charges for violation of a trade secret.

    19. Re:Trade secret? by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but if they had an NDA they should be suing for breaking the NDA, not theft of trade secrets.

      If I divulge something that I received under an NDA, then you can sue me in a civil court for a breach of the NDA. For example if you hired me to organize your kid's birthday party and want it kept secret. That would be a secret, but not a trade secret.

      If what I divulge is a trade secret, then you can make criminal charges for breach of a trade secret. Because that's what it is.

  9. modular hospitals by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

    So, part of their case is that a FB guy mentioned modular hospitals last year, and they're the only ones who do that sort of thing?

    Sounds a bit thin to me....

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    1. Re:modular hospitals by LeadSongDog · · Score: 1

      "Through early morning fog I see..." oh, wait, I guess that's been done?

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    2. Re:modular hospitals by pr0fessor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Most of the claims aren't listed so it's hard to draw a conclusion. There is a difference between "we pitched them a modular building and they had a contractor build a modular building" and "we pitched them a design for a modular building under contract, they stole the design, and had a competitor build it"

  10. Ummm.... by kdub007 · · Score: 1

    Did BRG have that concept patented?

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    1. Re:Ummm.... by jeffmeden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Did BRG have that concept patented?

      Doesn't matter (but would help their case if it were). Note that the lawsuit isn't for infringement (patent or copyright) but for breach of contract and theft of trade secrets (that Facebook allegedly only had access to in confidence, i.e. via aforementioned contract). It all depends on if Facebook's agents signed anything similar to a NDA when negotiating with BRG for a design contract, in order to review a proposal using their "modular techniques". If BRG was smart they would have papered it up very specifically before they showed any sensitive bits to Facebook.

      Like TFS says we don't have enough info to know if something super specific about the design was copied (like some allegedly optimal ratio of airflow to floorspace to TDP). This is most likely just a contract chase, hoping that the words of whatever Facebook signed are broad enough to catch them for designing anything similar to what BRG had proposed.

    2. Re:Ummm.... by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Like TFS says we don't have enough info

      As that's going to stop people bringing on the torches, pitchforks and pop-corn. This is FB we are talking about after all.

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  11. Oh c'mon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    If the design was so special they shouldn't have shared it on Facebook. DUH.

  12. The Zucker way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody cared when the wealth Winklewoss' brothers were ripped off. But now we all know that's happening regularly now with this company. FB profit from your personal data and rip off other companies to profit at their expense also.

  13. Contact companies with obvious common sense ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When they eventually get around to doing them, sue them and say they stole your ideas. Profit!

  14. OMG by nospam007 · · Score: 0

    "simply stealing BRG's intellectual property"

    There's your problem right there. There's no such thing.

    It's just people wanting to be paid for the same job multiple times.

    1. Re:OMG by GuyverDH · · Score: 0

      Get rid of all Democraps and Republicunts and America would be a much better place.

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  15. "theft of trade secrets and breach of contract" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Neither of which accusations have anything to do with "Intellectual Property". It may very well be that they were screwed over by someone else implementing their concepts at a different scale and profitability without bothering to involve them. That's called "progress". Only in limited circumstances does it happen at the speed of litigation.

  16. Very confused. by Last_Available_Usern · · Score: 1

    I would very much like to know the specifics of this case because as I see it, FB had a company come in for a sales pitch, FB opted to not use them and instead made something themselves based on a similar (or even identical) design. To my knowledge, FB didn't try to sell this tech to anyone else, and unless they just failed to mention it they also didn't sign anything saying they agreed to not duplicate the plantiff's tech on their own. Sounds like the company is just salty because they lost a huge sale and is hopeful FB will settle to avoid bad publicity.

    1. Re:Very confused. by tomhath · · Score: 1

      They probably didn't mention a non-disclosure agreement because that's standard, you always sign one. More likely the design was nothing special so Facebook decided not to pay their price.

    2. Re:Very confused. by citizenr · · Score: 1

      Actually NO, its not standard. Have you ever tried pitching ideas to big corporations? They will all tell you to fuck off instead of signing your NDA. Only exception is if big corporation really wants something you have and is the party that initiated contact. Reason for this corporate behaviour is right there in the article. Risk of being sued is too big.

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  17. non-disclosure agreement? by Khashishi · · Score: 1

    So, was there a non-disclosure agreement? You don't have a statutory right to not have your ideas stolen.

    1. Re:non-disclosure agreement? by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      So, was there a non-disclosure agreement? You don't have a statutory right to not have your ideas stolen.

      An NDA wouldn't help if the idea was nothing special. You have a trade secret if you have a secret that gives you a competitive advantage because you know the secret and others don't. But if others have the same idea and therefore the same knowledge about the idea, then you don't have a trade secret.

  18. Apparently BGM wants to go bankrupt by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

    So apparently BGM has decided that it's time to bankrupt themselves, cause I can't imagine that *anyone* would want to work with them after this kind of idiotic stunt.

  19. The problem is... by ganiman · · Score: 1

    that anyone on this planet is actually using Facebook to begin with. I have never been, and never will be, a use of Facebook. All of the people around me who have Facebook accounts wish they did not. Most of what I hear about Facebook from people who use the service are negative. Zuckerberg is not a brilliant guy, he just ripped off an idea. Sort of like what this article is describing. "Social media" is such an oxymoron, because the people who use it usually have no real social life to speak of.

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  20. Sounds like a Hollywood-style lawsuit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is one reason why lawyers often populate senior management at Hollywood studios. They get sent unsolicited screenplays and get pitched by strangers in restaurants, and five years later someone claims that their idea was stolen.

  21. racks, equipment, wires... filing my patent now by swschrad · · Score: 2

    correct me if I'm wrong... but didn't this whole concept of racks, equipment, wires, central power come from the telephone company 100 years ago?

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    1. Re:racks, equipment, wires... filing my patent now by davester666 · · Score: 1

      no. that's a completely different industry. it would never have occurred to Facebook to do this kind of thing but for BRG.

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  22. Architecture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Building architecture is not patentable. Sorry, BGM. Unless you patented modular HVAC machinery and associated parts and joints and got an EU patent as well as the US one, there is not much you can assert.

  23. Don't hold your breath waiting for news of them... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Most of the claims aren't listed so it's hard to draw a conclusion.

    And don't hold your breath waiting for them to be listed publicly, either.

    If this is over trade secrets, the alleged trade secrets, if legitimate, will still be secret. So unless/until Facebook gets a judgement that the claims are bogus, the proceedings will be under seal.

    Even if they ARE bogus it may not be in Facebook's interest to publish them, either. They might be little-known enough that exposing them to their competition might make the competitive environent tougher for Facebook.

    So don't be surprised if the "secrets" and the details of the verdict or settlement remain under wraps.

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