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Best Buy Kills Off Future Shop

Lirodon writes: Future Shop, a Canadian electronics chain that was bought by Best Buy in 2001, but continued to operate in parallel with the newly-opened Canadian locations of the U.S. retailer, is no more. Today, the company abruptly announced the closure of the Future Shop chain, and the permanent closure of 66 of its remaining 131 locations. The remaining 65 Future Shop locations (specifically, those that weren't within driving, or even walking distance of a Best Buy to begin with) will be converted to Best Buy stores over the next few days.

This is just the latest step in Best Buy's efforts to downsize its Canadian operations and focus on online retail. The new, downsized chain will consist of 136 Best Buy stores (and 56 of the small Best Buy Mobile stores) in Canada. Still, it's sad to see such an iconic brand killed off like this.

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  1. Best buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    People still shop there?

    1. Re:Best buy by davester666 · · Score: 1

      They aren't the dumps like the US stores are. The stores are well maintained and it seems the customers treat the store with more respect, vs say a Walmart.

      But this is a little disappointing because BestBuy consciously made FutureShop have a different selection of products from their BestBuy stores [slightly cheaper models, more appliances].

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    2. Re:Best buy by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      the only time i ever go to best buy is if i need something *now* and cant wait. which is maybe once ever few years

      Thats a lie, sometimes I go to simply try a new product demo or something

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    3. Re:Best buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not that theyre dumps - it's that online is more valuable to my time and money 99.9999% of the time.

    4. Re:Best buy by rikkards · · Score: 2

      Yeah sorry, Future Shop practices were questionable before Best Buy bought them out. Once they did 99% of the stuff they carried were identical with maybe one or two things differing between them in each apartment. Surprised this didn't happen before.

      One of my early jobs was working in a Business Depot and we heard and (I personally) experienced some of the crap they were pulling. An example was I had the floor model of a computer for sale and had a customer come in. He seemed interested and was going to but it but had to go move money. I promised I would hold it for him, about half hour later some guy shows up interested and really wanted to buy it (like pressuring to sell it). Told him no, other guy comes back and buys it. While later I was in Future Shop and lo and behold who do I see working there but the guy who came in after. Figure he was trying to buy it so that the guy would come back and buy his model and then return it. Not sure but this was before Best Buy bought them out.

      Anyone remember Futile Shop?

    5. Re:Best buy by AchilleTalon · · Score: 2

      Apparently yes, even the original poster seems very sad to see them disappear as the end of his summary let us think:

      "Still, it's sad to see such an iconic brand killed off like this."

      I suspect he is an employee of Past Shop. I really don't see what Past Shop has to do with news for nerds. Any nerd is going at Past Shop for a fix? I am not aware of any. This is a last resort solution when you need a gizmo widely available and you need it NOW.

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    6. Re: Best buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It was a great place to shop if you needed an extended warranty.

    7. Re:Best buy by Lirodon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually no. I just hate it when U.S. companies have to barge into Canada and throw perfectly good brands in the Recycle Bin like that. Our country is too Americanized. But I too am shocked that they allowed this redundancy to last so long, plus how abrupt it was.

    8. Re:Best buy by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Can you list said stores that offered different products? Because the ones in my neck of the woods in London and Kitchener all had the same stuff in them. In some cases, those stores were right next door to each other or less than 500m away. They had amazing amount of redundancy.

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    9. Re: Best buy by JMJimmy · · Score: 2

      It was a great place to shop if you needed an extended warranty.

      It was never a great place to shop, it was a pain trying to get them to honour said warranties, and Best Buy stores were infinitely more friendly/useful due to the non-commission status of employees.

    10. Re: Best buy by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      Indeed, they can even sell you two if you want suspenders and a belt with your slacks.

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    11. Re: Best buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that why I just bought a German Bosch kitchen range from Future Shop? Because the great Americans fought so hard for that? ;)

    12. Re: Best buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A distinctive lower amount of rudeness to begin with...

    13. Re:Best buy by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Really? Nothing that's distinctly Canadian? Did you see the closing ceremonies for the Vancouver Olympics? My wife and I watched both the Canadian and American coverage. The announcer on the Canadian coverage was happily chatting away about the festivities, whereas the American announcer was pretty much speechless, because what he was seeing was so not American.

      We're a hell of a lot friendlier and more polite than Americans, in general. Not that there aren't exceptions; there certainly are. But on the whole, it's true. I've traveled a fair amount through Canada, various parts of the US, and some in Europe. I've never felt uncomfortable or out of place, except in the US. Now, that was mostly in the north east, as when I went through Tennessee, people were almost as friendly as Canadians. Americans just seem to be more blunt and "in your face" than pretty much anybody else I've encountered in my travels.

      Besides: we have Red Green.

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    14. Re:Best buy by NicBenjamin · · Score: 2

      We tried Annexing countless times. Literally. I can't count the times. Once during the Revolution, once during the War of 1812, another time in the 1830s when our Marshall in Detroit "accidentally" let Canadian rebels "borrow" the entire contents of the arsenal, numerous times in the late 1860s when the Fenians tried to conquer Canada...

      They've always been quite adamant that they are quite happy to be her Majesty's Unamerican subjects.

      And you're highly exaggerating our originality. The US System is precisely identical to the British system of 1789 except for three things: 1) instead of one document containing everything the Brits had multiple documents, 2) the King selected by much different means (descent from Electress Sophia vs. selection by the states), and 3) we had two levels of government (state and Federal). Other then that the whole thing is warmed-ovwer British mush combined with good-old American boastful bullshitting.

    15. Re:Best buy by Livius · · Score: 1

      traveled

      And we can spell.

    16. Re: Best buy by sumdumass · · Score: 2

      The best buy employees around my neck of the woods are complete and total idiots. Especially the Geek Squad rocket scientists or whatever they are supposed to be. It's a chore to even enter the store it seems. I've had both (the blue shirts and black shirts) try to tell me crap I knew from the start simply wasn't true. I think the funniest story was when I was purchasing some CDs for my burner and was trying to make sure I was getting the brand on sale. One of the employees saw me and tried to suggest I purchase the CDs labeled as Music because they were better qualify and would read faster. He said that was why they were more expensive than data cds (evidently making crap up is more productive than knowing about the media tax on Music labeled media).

    17. Re:Best buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quit lying, you don't build anything in the US anymore. It's all done by China and Mexico. That's another tragedy Canada imported from the US: Greed and offshoring.

    18. Re:Best buy by chipschap · · Score: 1

      And I used to love Canadian Tire. But that was, what, 40 years ago? Will have to look online to see if they still exist...

    19. Re: Best buy by gregmac · · Score: 2

      I generally stopped shopping at FS due to the commission-based sales vultures, but I did buy a stove and fridge there almost 3 years ago (needed new ones, and they had a good sale going on). Huge amount of pressure to get extended warranties, of course. I started asking about it, having had previous (negative) experience trying to actually use a warranty.

      Basically, the extended warranty was 3 / 5 / 8 years depending on what you paid. If something breaks, you call them, they come out and repair or replace at their discretion. If something were to break say, 6 months after your purchase, and they came out and decided that replacing it was the most economical option, you get a new fridge. Great! Here's the catch: your Future Shop warranty is now terminated. That's right.. the remaining 7.5 years are null and void. I think you get the 1 year parts-only manufacturer warranty (which I'm convinced FS negotiates to be deliberately crappy to make their plan look better.

      The economics of this are just too much in their favour: if there's a (minor) problem, it's actually in their interest to replace it (terminating the remainder of the warranty), then fix the old one and re-sell it (hopefully at least as refurbished model -- but I wouldn't be surprised to find these as "floor models" or "open-box").

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    20. Re:Best buy by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Edmonton Northgate FS
      Edmonton Skyview BB

      It seemed that for a bunch of computer hardware I was looking for [networking/drives/printers] it seemed that they both had the same 'middle' models, but BB would have a higher end model that FS wouldn't have, and FS would have a lower end model that BB would not have [and by have, I mean stock in the store]. And FS has a larger space devoted to appliances [I've bought a couple of floor models from them].

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    21. Re:Best buy by David_Hart · · Score: 1

      And I used to love Canadian Tire. But that was, what, 40 years ago? Will have to look online to see if they still exist...

      Canadian Tire still exists, is still popular, and has been growing revenue. I don't know where you live, but most Canadians still shop at Canadian Tire. I'm thinking that you're a bit out of touch.

      I go home to NB during the summer for a couple of weeks and always end up having to go to Canadian Tire for something for the boat, camp, etc.

    22. Re:Best buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So be thankful you have access to all the stuff we here in the USA have worked hard to build.

      Unemployment?
      Lack of freedom?
      Oppressive government?
      Lack of privacy?

    23. Re:Best buy by dfenstrate · · Score: 1

      Actually no.

      I just hate it when U.S. companies have to barge into Canada and throw perfectly good brands in the Recycle Bin like that. Our country is too Americanized. But I too am shocked that they allowed this redundancy to last so long, plus how abrupt it was.

      Thank you for perpetuating the old joke that the Canadian national identity is based on Maple Syrup, Hockey, and 'not being America.'

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    24. Re: Best buy by JMJimmy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They're minimum wage employees for the most part, what do you expect? At least when they say something stupid you know it's out of ignorance. Future Shop (pre-and post bestbuy) they would lie to your face just to try get you to buy something you didn't need.

    25. Re:Best buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So be thankful you have access to all the stuff we here in the USA have worked hard to build.

      For accuracy, rewrite your statement with "Made in China" instead.
      Even US flags in the US have "Made in China" on the back.

      Here is an open challenge for you. Next time you are shopping and you see all that huge "patriotic merchandise" section (T-Shirts with huge US Flags, etc) check and see if you can find one thing actually made in the USA.

    26. Re:Best buy by rikkards · · Score: 1

      Actually talking to enough people from outside Canada including the US and Europe, Canada's identity is built from exesive passive-aggressiveness stemming from an inferiority complex and easily identifiable by the guy who keeps saying "I'm not American"

    27. Re:Best buy by rikkards · · Score: 1

      Still exists but is a shadow of what it was. Used to be a decent place for autoparts, now it is pretty much a walmart with a small section that sells crap auto parts. Waiting for them to change their name to CT or something that less identifies them as a tire centre.

    28. Re: Best buy by sumdumass · · Score: 2

      I expect either a level of competency in looking the answers up or level of humility and just saying "I don't know" when they do not know. But I'm not sure where the difference is in lieing to your face to sell something and ignorantly lieing just to up sell something.

      Here is another great example of an experience I had with Best Buy. I was looking for a specific US robotics hardware modem and their website said they had one in stock. This was for an old linux box that served as a fax server using hylafax and was a direct replacement for existing hardware (spec'd because of local availability). After three people suggesting I use a win modem and looking completely blank like a deer staring into headlights when I explained the difference between a hardware modem and winmodem and told them I needed raw serial communications, they got someone from the geeksquad to assist. After giving him a model number and explaining why I needed that specific model, he told me not only was there nothing like that which they carried, but that modems use the PCI bus and would be incapable of serial communication. He said I would need to order one from a vendor specific channel. I called a coworker and asked him if he could find another locally on line so I could pick on up. Turns out best buy was the only one he could find so my coworker ordered it online for in store pick up. I went to the counter right next to where we were and said I was there to pick up an order for XXXX. They said it was still being pulled but would be there in about 5 minutes. 5 minutes passed and I walked out the door with what I originally came in to get an hour ago only to be accosted by some idiot at the door wanting to match my receipt to the product in the bag.

      I've got lots of stories about best buy. I prefer to purchase local when possible but have such a hatred for their idiocy that I will buy online if I don't need something right now and cannot find it at one of the other stores that dabble in electronics. How others put up with it is beyond me.

    29. Re: Best buy by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      Their level of knowledge is very inconsistent, some know some stuff but for the most part they're just CSRs like any other chain. Go in expecting to know the shit for yourself and only expect them to be able to locate the general area where you might find something. Beyond that, go to a non-chain store where they have to know the products for themselves.

    30. Re:Best buy by DedTV · · Score: 2

      Of course! I frequently go to Best Buy to shop for things.

      Then I buy them online from a retailer that charges at least 30% less (usually Amazon) and doesn't grill me for a half hour when I have to return something their employees broke tossing boxes around.

    31. Re: Best buy by master_kaos · · Score: 1

      I liked the commission based sales, because it just meant you could get a better deal on a TV. They would often give up parts of their commission to make the sale

    32. Re:Best buy by master_kaos · · Score: 1

      I dont normally shop for car parts, but when I needed a new car battery this year, the canadian tire car battery was pretty much always rated the best.

    33. Re:Best buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has the best price of anywhere I know on Fancy Feast cat food.

    34. Re:Best buy by master_kaos · · Score: 1

      What, do you live in Nunavut? Canadian tire is everywhere. I still go by the saying "if it ain't in the flyer, don't but it at the tire" as their regular price on a lot of items (especially their in-house mastercraft bran)d is ridiculous, but then they always have 50-75% off sales.
      Their return policy is very good, and never had issues.

    35. Re:Best buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US System is precisely identical to the British system of 1789 except for three things: 1) instead of one document containing everything the Brits had multiple documents, 2) the King selected by much different means (descent from Electress Sophia vs. selection by the states), and 3) we had two levels of government (state and Federal). Other then that the whole thing is warmed-ovwer British mush combined with good-old American boastful bullshitting.

      Right, the British have a senate and a congress? I don't think so.

    36. Re: Best buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are correct about FS employees being on commission and I've heard some pretty bad tales about warranties.

      OTOH my experience in that area with them has been nothing but positive.

      On the third hand, I only ever bought fro FS when a) nobody else in town stocked the particular item and b) I knew I wasn't going to require any kind of support from them.

    37. Re: Best buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See, here again there is no consistency.

      I bought a (not particularly great) eReader from FS.

      A day or so before the initial warranty expired the screen cracked of its own accord.

      Took it back, they replaced it.

      A while after that something else happened (I forget what, but it was terminal). Took it back: they didn't sell that device any more so they credited me with the price and I put it towards a tablet.

      I've heard many stories, but on this occasion I cannot fault them.

    38. Re:Best buy by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      That would be the reason why then, different ends of the country different market demands. They're all the same here in Southern Ontario, which is rather silly.

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    39. Re:Best buy by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      "British system of 1789," so any present tense discussion of the British government is irrelevant.

      And yes, in 1789 the Brits had a an upper chamber selected by the groups intended to run the nation (the House of Lords) and a frequently re-elected lower House that was intended to be the voice of the People (the Commons). The Upper was supposed to cool the relatively hot tempers of the lower, veto any attempts to replace the elite by popular vote, and generally wear the man pants.

      The differences between Senate election (at the time Senators were appointed by the State Legislature), and inheriting a Peerage is precisely analogous to the difference between Presidential elections (by a House of Electors appointed by those states) and inheriting the Crown.

    40. Re:Best buy by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      traveled

      And we can spell.

      Oooh. I missed one repeated letter while typing on a netbook minikeyboard, so I must be completely wrong about absolutely everything.

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    41. Re:Best buy by chipschap · · Score: 1

      Heh. I live in Hawai`i. No Canadian Tire here :(

  2. A long time coming for some stores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where I live, the Best Buy was within sight of the Future Shop across the street. It's amazing the two stores stayed open as long as they did (several years). The real disappointment is that I found the Best Buy prices to be consistently a little higher than Future Shop's, but because both of them have higher prices than some of the specialized local retailers and online ... meh.

    It was pretty surprising how suddenly they closed. They were open Friday and closed Saturday with no obvious notice beforehand. Today there are signs up and opaque paper on the windows.

    1. Re:A long time coming for some stores by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      This was also true where I grew up. They opened a Best Buy there more than a decade ago, right across the street from a Future Shop. They've been operating like that ever since. I can imagine it's one of the places that they're going to close the future shop, even though it's a better location (smaller mall, easier access, bigger store) than the Best Buy.

    2. Re:A long time coming for some stores by Fishchip · · Score: 1

      It's a situation that never made any sense at all.

      In a new shopping centre in my city they opened a Best Buy and a Future Shop. Wat? They had a Best Buy and Future Shop ten minutes up the Trans-Canada and then a three-minute drive from each other. Oversaturation, just slightly.

  3. First RadioShack, now Future Shop!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When will the madness end!? Is tech going away as we speak??

    1. Re:First RadioShack, now Future Shop!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Radio Shack isn't a direct competitor to Best Buy. You might want to use Circuit City next time. I still miss Service Merchandise, which was gadget, tool, nicknack oriented Sears or a large Brookstone.

    2. Re:First RadioShack, now Future Shop!? by laffer1 · · Score: 1

      Radio shack was a competitor because they turned into a Mobile phone shop and best buy has their own mobile phone stores.

      Circuit City is long dead. The brand was bought and the domain used to sell things, but the real chain is long dead. What next, you going to mention montgomery wards?

    3. Re:First RadioShack, now Future Shop!? by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      What was once Radio Shack in Canada is still operating today. They're called "The Source" today, and they're just as bad as Radio Shack ever was, with terrible selection and insane prices. I never see anybody in the stores, so I don't really understand how they're still operating. I'd say they were a mob front (my normal explanation when a store or restaurant stays open despite having no customers) except they're owned by Bell Canada these days.

    4. Re:First RadioShack, now Future Shop!? by c · · Score: 1

      I'd say they were a mob front ... except they're owned by Bell Canada these days.

      s/except/because/ strikes me as more accurate.

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  4. Corporate Duality by Random+Nobody · · Score: 1

    I used to work doing computer repairs at a Future Shop. There's was a Best Buy of the same size in the same mall. It was really weird to go deliver or pickup RMA parts from each others computer services department when the courier would get confused.

    1. Re:Corporate Duality by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      In one of the stores which is closing, there as a Best Buy and a Future Shop right across the street. So you shop at one and then go across a crosswalk to the other one.

      They've always had mostly the same stock, and at mostly the same price.

      I'm told the difference was Future Shop had commissioned (and therefore more annoying) salesman, while Best Buy wasn't on commission. I often found hard to get items were more likely to be stocked at Future Shop instead of Best Buy.

      Many of us have always thought it quite stupid that the same chain always had two stores in many places, since nobody thought of them as competing.

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    2. Re:Corporate Duality by Random+Nobody · · Score: 1

      Sort of, there were "Sales Associates" (entry level sales position, non-commision, red nametag) and "Product Experts" (promoted from Sales Associate, commission, beige nametag).

  5. Monopoly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this not the abuse of monopolistic advantage to shut out and shut down competition?

    1. Re:Monopoly by evenmoreconfused · · Score: 1

      True, but the monopoly happened in 2001 when Best Buy bought Future Shop to begin with. Since then, they've been taking advantage of a public that was given the mistaken impression that there was some competition, when in fact there was none.

      So perhaps this will ultimately be good for competition, as customers pissed off with one won't cross the street and go into the other. Instead, they can go down the block to Office Depot...

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    2. Re:Monopoly by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      We had Future Shop and about four other chains and a ouple of local stores. Then we got Best Buy as well, selling the same things as Future Shop, at the same prices. Now we have Best Buy and about four other chains and a couple of local stores. Hardly a 'monopoly'.

      I buy most of my electronics from Amazon or one of the local stores. Future Shop was usually more expensive, and the staff clueless. I never understood why Best Buy kept them around.

    3. Re:Monopoly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instead, they can go down the block to Office Depot...

      They were bought out by Staples.

    4. Re:Monopoly by inflamed · · Score: 1

      This is an improvement. Cluelss people would compare prices between those two retailers assuming they were competitors in order to assess whether a price was good.

    5. Re:Monopoly by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      It wasn't too hard to know they were the same business - plenty of stock at future shop had best buy shipping labels on them.

      Every once in a while, future shop would drop the price on something, so you could go to best buy and get it at that price minus a few percent by bringing the ad.

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    6. Re:Monopoly by evenmoreconfused · · Score: 1

      Yes. Here they call it Bureau en Gros, of course, but it's all very much of a muchness. My point is that whatever the sector, it turns out that there are several apparent retailers, but closer examination reveals that what's on offer is the same stuff, at nearly identical prices, and in fact has the same owners.

      For that matter, many of the people here probably have (at least indirectly) small amounts of most of these companies in their 401Ks / IRAs / RRSPs / whatever.

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    7. Re:Monopoly by inflamed · · Score: 1

      Actually it was pretty hard to get them to beat each other's prices. I'd generally have to make an embarassment of myself to make it happen. The mangers always argued that since they are the same company, they couldn't beat their "own price."

    8. Re:Monopoly by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      I never had that problem. In fact, they seemed to consider it a special case where they'd beat each other's prices immediately without any hassle because they didn't want to be called out on being the same store.

    9. Re:Monopoly by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      I call them "Bougon en Gros" - but people outside Quebec who haven't seen "Les Bougon" won't get it.

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    10. Re:Monopoly by inflamed · · Score: 1

      I guess you weren't looking for > 50% price reductions like I was :-)

    11. Re: Monopoly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait Bureau en Gros is just the French police version of the Staples name, no?

    12. Re: Monopoly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Clueless! Hardly clueless! The staff with rare exception were perfectly able to pick up the box and read it to me when I asked them a question about a product.

    13. Re:Monopoly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I usually buy more at Bureau en gros than future shop and best buy, why ? because they have personal at the counter, I have walked out numerous time leaving the shit I was expecting to buy because there was a 20+ persons waiting line already waiting to pay, and this wasn't even in a busy period...

      Staples also have a surprisingly good tech offering for their size as long as you are not looking for a sound system or a TV...

      As for the bougon nickname, I get it but do not feel they deserve it. Never had issue with them at all!

    14. Re:Monopoly by Straif · · Score: 1

      I shopped at both (since the FS and BB closest to me are full sized stores 30 feet from each other) and always got them to price match. They don't price match open box or liquidation items (which most other price match policies don't either) but for everything else I never had an issue.

      I routinely got them to price match each other since they often staggered their sales so an item on sale at FS one week would be on sale at BB the next. Besides the extra 10% off the price match gave, it saved me having to run around town to the location where a sale item was in stock.

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    15. Re: Monopoly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. They voluntarily changed their name.

    16. Re:Monopoly by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      The bougon nickname is the same as "Crappy Tire" for Canadian Tire, "WallyWorld" or "WallMutt" for Walmart, "Future Sh*t" for Future Shop, "Worst Buy" for Best Buy, etc. I've bought from all of them.. What I haven't done is succumb to buying on-line. My experience is that if you wait a bit and shop around, you can always get a better deal locally.

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    17. Re:Monopoly by rikkards · · Score: 1

      That was Business Depot not Office Depot. They weren't bought out they were the same company but there was an issue with trademarks so they couldn't call them staples. I guess at some point that got dealt with.

      One of my first job was working at the East end Business Depot in the early 90's right behind Future Shop.
      Want to know where they are burying FS as I want to piss on their grave. Oh the stories I could tell about their lack of ethics (let alone skeevy sales practices)....

  6. Online retail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can they really complete in the online space?

    Who here has ever gone to bestbuy.com in lieu of newegg or Amazon? I don't think going to bestbuy.com has ever even entered my thought stream, ever. They certainly won't offer lower prices than their brick-and-mortar stores, so as not to complete with them - which makes me wonder why companies like this even bother?

    This is really RadioShack part II.

    1. Re:Online retail by justthinkit · · Score: 1

      Who here has ever gone to bestbuy.com in lieu of newegg or Amazon?

      I go when my deal site says BestBuy has the best deal on the item I need at that moment. Many retailers dabble (loss leaders) in areas they are not normally competitive in. The deal sites pick up on this, and people like myself benefit.

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    2. Re: Online retail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon often has the highest prices.

    3. Re:Online retail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I can sometimes find discount slim desktops there (weak CPUs, but good enough for streaming or running torrents). To be fair, all retailers go through a price drop cycle, so it doesn't hurt to check. (Plus, Amazon sometimes raises/adjusts prices second-by-second due to demand and a site like BestBuy keeps them relatively static).

    4. Re: Online retail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and often they don't.

    5. Re: Online retail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just bought a kitchen range at FS Thursday as the price was $100 lower than at Sears. Guess why lol. I hope they still deliver :P I think I'm safe as it was an online order anyway. Then again even at Sears it was $500 off the manufacturer's price.

  7. FTA by kimvette · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Best Buy joins other retailers that are feeling the pinch of more shoppers making purchases online and giant e-commerce rivals such as Amazon Inc. stealing business.

    "stealing business?"

    Really?

    I want to buy certain items locally - like the Roccat Ryos MK Pro with blue switches, the ROG Swift monitor, and stuff like that. Best Buy doesn't stock them and I've got Amazon Prime, so why would I order from Worst Buy and wait 3-5 days for an item when I can get it next day for $3.99 shipping? (as far as why Best Buy doesn't stock the ROG Swift when they are among a very small handful of authorized retailers for that model, I have no idea.) I could drive 70 miles to Micro Center down in MA, but then I'd also have to pay sales tax. So, when I buy that monitor, I'm going to get it from Amazon.

    Amazon sells MANY things brick-and-mortars don't any more. Want to find a good precision screwdriver set? I can't find a good set at Sears any more, nor Home Depot, nor Lowes, or smaller hardware stores, nor at Best Buy, or even harbor Freight. Sooo, where do I turn? Amazon.

    Ass Kickin' ghost pepper hot sauce - I cannot find it anywhere local. So, where do I order that from? Amazon. Amazon stocks darn near everything you can imagine.

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    1. Re:FTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon sells MANY things brick-and-mortars don't any more. Want to find a good precision screwdriver set? I can't find a good set at Sears any more, nor Home Depot, nor Lowes, or smaller hardware stores, nor at Best Buy, or even harbor Freight. Sooo, where do I turn? Amazon.

      I'm an Amazon customer as well, but remember, Jeff Bezos is not your friend. Once Best Buy goes out of business, Amazon's prices for electronics will go up, just as their music prices went up after all of their big box competitors suddenly folded about eight years ago.

      Jeff Bezos is a remarkable businessman. He is not your friend.

    2. Re:FTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. Online retailers are not "stealing business" from brick and mortar stores. People go where they can get the best price and the best service. That is definitely NOT Best (Worst) Buy! The employees are mostly rude and obnoxious, and they want to charge premium prices for cheap discount brands. Don't even get me started on the ripoff and privacy invading Geek Squad!

      On the other hand, when dealing with online retailers like NewEgg and Amazon I have had excellent customer service. And I get what I want at a better price than buying locally even with increasing shipping costs these days. And the product is delivered to my door rather than fighting crowds of idiots at local stores who are mostly just blocking the aisles while jabbering away mindlessly on a cell phone!

    3. Re:FTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i doubt it. amazon will still face competitive pressure. best buy is not a competitor to amazon. they're just increasingly irrelevant.

      it's like saying that netflix would get more expensive without blockbuster video: totally irrelevant.

    4. Re: FTA by countach74 · · Score: 1

      Doubtful. That's generally not what happens and it's typically a very bad business move.

    5. Re:FTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're the Sears-Roebuck of the 21st century.

    6. Re:FTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon is Sears & Roebuck reborn.

    7. Re: FTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    8. Re:FTA by kimvette · · Score: 2

      No, when Best Buy goes out of business, very likely Fry's will expand.

      Best Buy sucks because they never stock the items I want - be it a television, high end AV receiver (for which which I went to a small family-owned hi fi shop), keyboards, monitors, video cards, speakers- you name it, Worst Buy tends to stock the low-to-mid range items, not high end.

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    9. Re:FTA by Guspaz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because Amazon Canada's selection is pretty terrible compared to Amazon USA. Best Buy sells the ROG Swift monitor for $900, with free shipping or local pickup. Amazon doesn't sell the monitor directly, has it for $1000, and doesn't offer free shipping at all (due to them not selling it directly).

    10. Re:FTA by caseih · · Score: 1

      Home Depot carries the best little set I've owned:

      http://www.homedepot.com/p/Hus...

      I have probably bought half a dozen of them as they are super handy. If you take out the little plastic insert in the handle, you can put all the bits in the handle also.

    11. Re:FTA by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      Amazon sells MANY things brick-and-mortars don't any more. Want to find a good precision screwdriver set? I can't find a good set at Sears any more, nor Home Depot, nor Lowes, or smaller hardware stores, nor at Best Buy, or even harbor Freight. Sooo, where do I turn? Amazon.

      I'm an Amazon customer as well, but remember, Jeff Bezos is not your friend. Once Best Buy goes out of business, Amazon's prices for electronics will go up, just as their music prices went up after all of their big box competitors suddenly folded about eight years ago.

      Jeff Bezos is a remarkable businessman. He is not your friend.

      Maybe Not but I just got 1 Hour delivery. Amazon is the Sears of the 21st century. I don't care if Bezos spends his money or sub orbital craft and building a moon base. I'm happy.

    12. Re:FTA by guises · · Score: 1
      Yeah, the grandparent sounds like an American:

      I could drive 70 miles to Micro Center down in MA, but then I'd also have to pay sales tax.

      Implying, I guess, that he wouldn't pay sales tax if he ordered online. That's how it works in the US anyway.

    13. Re:FTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The computer section at Fry's in Wilsonville OR used to be nerdvana. Like everything, except for discrete electronic bits (caps, transistors, diodes, etc., but they have/had other bits). Now, hot so much. Lucky for me there are the two Enu.com storefronts in PDX area. I like to go to the store and buy most stuff if i can. Obviously im in the minority these days though... but Best Buy? I'll not go there if i dont have to. (Recent "have" that Pest Pie uniquely did have, 10' usb recharge cable... )

    14. Re:FTA by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      Because Amazon Canada's selection is pretty terrible compared to Amazon USA.

      Exactly.

      Amazon Canada is the whole reason why Canadian online shopping is such a terrible experience.

      First off - Amazon Canada is NO CHEAPER than retail. I'd find stuff cheaper at Future Shop/Best Buy than at Amazon. Most Canadian retailers are like that - online prices generally aren't great - if you're savvy, you can find it available at the brick and mortar cheaper and available right there. And, save the shipping since few Canadian retailers other than the big guys (Future Shop/Best Buy, Amazon, Walmart, etc) offer free shipping.

      Then there's taxes, you're not saving there either since everyone charges at least GST or HST. And many places insist you pay PST as well. So shipping and taxes, which means it has to be either hard to find locally, or at a really good price.

      Occasionally, shopping at Amazon.com, despite the shipping and import charges, comes out cheaper.

      I know I just had that happen to me - Amazon.com in the end charged me $42 for an item with EXPRESS (2 day) shipping. In Canada, it was $60 with STANDARD shipping from a zShop. That $42 was what it came out to in Canadian dollars it was $35 US or so.

      Online shopping in Canada is not necessarily cheaper or more convenient - either Canadian retailers know how to adapt to an online world, or online Canadian retailers are just plain terrible.

      Hell, even Best Buy/Future Shop isn't necessarily terrible... I've lost out a few times because they beat Amazon pricing, and even my preferred online retailer can't beat their price.

      (Nevermind that Best Buy/Future Shop are one of the few retailers that let you buy online and return/exchange in store to save shipping costs)

    15. Re:FTA by David_Hart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because Amazon Canada's selection is pretty terrible compared to Amazon USA.

      Exactly.

      Amazon Canada is the whole reason why Canadian online shopping is such a terrible experience.

      First off - Amazon Canada is NO CHEAPER than retail. I'd find stuff cheaper at Future Shop/Best Buy than at Amazon. Most Canadian retailers are like that - online prices generally aren't great - if you're savvy, you can find it available at the brick and mortar cheaper and available right there. And, save the shipping since few Canadian retailers other than the big guys (Future Shop/Best Buy, Amazon, Walmart, etc) offer free shipping.

      Amazon.ca does have some stuff that is cheaper. The problem is that Amazon.ca has next to nothing in comparison to Amazon.com. For example, my sister bought a high end ASUS laptop a few years back for about $200 cheaper on Amazon.ca than it was on Amazon.com. Also, my Dad bought some replacement batteries for his portable battery packs with free shipping for a better price than he could get them anywhere local and for a price similar to the Amazon.com prices. For the most part, though, it seems that Amazon.ca is a placeholder. It doesn't look like Amazon is serious yet about growing in Canada.

    16. Re:FTA by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      Yes, "stealing business". It's called showrooming, and there's even apps for that. You go down to the local Future Shop or Best Buy and kick the tires of whatever thing you were thinking of buying online but can't see before delivery and then when you find one you like you check its price on Amazon or wherever else and if it's cheaper online after shipping you make your purchase. Frequently you buy online and the retailer has now lost a sale to an online company despite being the one that showed you the product in person and allowed you to make your final decision on its merits. Online retailers don't need to pay for retail space which is why they're almost always able to undercut the retail shops.

      I do wonder what the future will look like when many retailers have gone under and everyone orders things online.

    17. Re: FTA by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      What part is doubtful? That people showroom? I've done it and so has everyone else I know.

    18. Re:FTA by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      I'm not talking about computer equipment, I'm talking about TVs, receivers, home theater equipment, headphones and the like. That's where they're losing most of the business to showrooming. And it's not just Amazon, there's a ton of other online sites to buy from after you go to Future Shop and see what you like.

    19. Re: FTA by countach74 · · Score: 1

      It is doubtful that Amazon will shoot their prices up as soon as they reach a certain amount of market dominance. It may be that they stop lowering prices as aggressively. If they do raise prices, don't expect anything drastic unless other economic factors change as well.

  8. ViceTv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone see the latest episodes of vice?

    Looks like they are nothing more than CIA puff pieces now that they are owned by their masters

    1. Re:ViceTv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please elaborate

  9. Economy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sears cutting back locations, The Bay selling Zeller's to be Target and that ended and now Futureshop. No, really, it is going pretty well with the Canadian economy.

    Let's all say "Thank you Harper!"

    1. Re:Economy by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Big retail chains are doomed. They can't compete on price with online stores, and they can't compete on service with local stores who don't have to send most of their profits to the stock market. This has little or nothing to do with Harper, unless you believe a more left-wing government would have nationalized Future Shop to keep it open.

    2. Re:Economy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not necessarily true. It depends on what the retail chain sells. Small, relatively expensive electronics are economical to ship to people. Cheap, bulk goods aren't.

      I needed to fill in a hole in my backyard some time ago and had to buy a lot of dirt/gravel/rock to serve as filler. It came on a flatbed and some guy used a fork lift to move a pallet of dirt. No shipping organization, whether FedEx, UPS, or the post office, can do that. They can ship flatpacks of furniture or electronics, but not bulk goods like dirt, steel, or food (the last one only applies to bulk shipping of food; of course I've ordered non-local pies, candies, and doughnuts, but it's probably not viable on a weekly basis).

      Walmart sells food and clothing (and other stuff) in addition to electronics. Best Buy has only ever sold electronics. TVs were their specialty, but now TVs are flat and lightweight. They can be shipped easily (take a look at an old big screen CRT; it probably weighed hundreds of pounds). I can justify shopping at an electronics store next to a grocery for convenience sake, but Best Buy has locations in the middle of nowhere.

    3. Re:Economy by gmack · · Score: 2

      To be fair I bought a TV a few weeks back from FutureShop because I wanted to compare picture quality myself. In the end, not only was FutureShop cheaper than the local retailers, it was $50 cheaper than Amazon.

    4. Re:Economy by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      Canada Post, Fedex, and UPS all have freight divisions or subsidiaries who would be happy to ship a pallet of dirt for you.

    5. Re:Economy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look, it is one of those "blame harper" types.

      The fact Canada is part of the world recession/current economic climate doesn't matter, get those "blame harper" blindfolds on.

      When/if harper is replaced will you post "blame the new guy" comments?

    6. Re:Economy by Fishchip · · Score: 1

      From...?

    7. Re:Economy by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      When does dirt ship on pallets? In little plastic bags?

      Dirt is delivered with a dump truck. Though, I suppose if you live in a suburb or urban hellhole this is not true.

    8. Re:Economy by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Certain kinds of products are moving online. But I have a feeling the electronic retail stores are making their money on selling refrigerators, freezers, washing machines, dishwashers, TVs and everything else too big to fit an ordinary parcel. A lot of other goods are selling on look and feel where people want to see the actual product in person, I got burned on this before Christmas when I bought something that... I mean all the specs and images were correct, but it was just underwhelming in reality. I certainly don't think they're worse off than specialty stores. The thing is, when people look at specialty stores what they often want is the selection, not necessarily the service. Online stores can often have an even wider selection and really there's no better service than getting what you want. I guess if you really want useful help but I suffer from a general distrust of clerks/salesmen, are they really helping me or their profit margin. Most of the time I'd rather trust my own judgement.

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    9. Re:Economy by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      Depends on the market.

      My job at Home Depot is probably more threatened by the current management's obsession with cutting labor costs then larger market conditions.

      Lots of people, including contractors, would rather go a store with six locations in the County that has everything they need, with better then 50% chance of having a guy who can warn them about the tricky bits; then buy from a company with no locations in Cuyahoga County; or buy from a location with a 100% chance of having that smart guy on the other side of the fucking County. Especially since the specialty shop on the other side of the County is likely to have higher costs, because half it's staff aren't kids just out of high school thrilled to be getting 25 hours a week at $9.25. Which means management's unstated goal on replacing the $10-$20 an hour guys with said kids is much more of a problem then the Internet.

      The internet is actually helpful, because it's really hard for Amazon to compete with Home Depot on shipping concrete.

    10. Re:Economy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      with online store you pay shipping, with brick and mortar store you pay shipping and racking space, so they need to make educated stocking and they don't as they tend to stock brand instead of product, instead of carrying one or 2 popular model they carry full line of many brand ad pay for it,. this is why they have now more and more dummy product on the floor, and often no stock they are adapting... but at the same time loosing any edge in term of delivery performance or price...

    11. Re:Economy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously? Been to Home Depot, even KMart on the weekends? Dirt, er, fine topsoil, is most definitely sold by the bag...

    12. Re:Economy by SacredNaCl · · Score: 1

      Just for those curious, you CAN get dirt shipped in very big plastic/kevlar bags that are strapped to pallets. This is similar to the way certain heavy (coffee being one that is just starting to move to this) food shipments are being handled. Of course, it does require a heavy loader, flat bed, straps for the flat bed, and roads improved enough (and all year enough if its not summer and dry) to get your shipment to you. These bags can even be air lifted by CH-47 helicopter (I believe it can carry up to 2 of them, but I'm not well versed in this method of transport). These are not the 10-20-40lb bags of toil soil you see for sale at the lawn and garden shop (although the larger plastic bags could just as easily be stuffed with them, and those 10-20-40lb bags can be wrapped on pallets and shipped as well.

      The shipping will cost a lot more than buying local, but you will still pay shipping then too, and still need loading equipment.

      I've often wondered how northern Canadians tough it out when it melts and during the very heavy drifts when its hard to get supplies in. The latter is probably easier to deal with than the mud though!

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    13. Re:Economy by phorm · · Score: 1

      You'd think that was true - and it was for awhile - but it isn't now. Many of the eTailers in Canada have pricing that's pretty close to the box stores when you consider shipping, but then you're getting an item that's sight-unseen and the hassle of possible returns. U.S. eTailers had better prices, but international shipping, - as well as the bend-me-over brokerage fees that UPS/Fed-Ex charge - dramatically raises the price of any cross-border online shopping. With the Canadian dollar in the shitter, that extra %20 makes it even worse.

      So, unless you're ordering something from China (that you're willing to wait longer for, though pay much less for many things), there's no bargain there.

      Where Future Shop f**ked up was the have box locations but stock-wise they're pretty much an online-store. Their video selection locally was pitiful, and everything was "if you'd like, you can order online and have it shipped." That does save you the shipping, but levels the playing field for Amazon-et-al dramatically in terms of wait-time etc
      I tried them for some computer stuff, and even online their selection was pretty bad. I mean, if you're going to have an online store... why not increase your selection a bit?!

  10. The Canadian middle class is dying out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    The Canadian middle class is being crushed out of existence. NAFTA has played a big role in this, as it resulted in much manufacturing draining directly to Mexico. Subsequent trade agreements have not helped. At the same time, there has been a huge flood of immigrants, most of them from third-world nations. The lack of work, combined with a large population increase, has resulted in higher levels of unemployment, along with higher housing prices.

    Middle-class stores, including large and long-established chains, are closing throughout Canada at an astounding pace. Zellers is gone. Target never really got off the ground. Sears is on its way out. Many of the mid-sided clothing stores have gone under lately, are in the process of going under, or are just about to.

    The middle-class retailers that have survived so far have often done so only by dropping their quality levels, or moving into higher-end goods. There is a stunning degree of economic polarization: either you are quite wealthy, or you are very poor. This is a huge change from what the country was once like, when it had a robust middle class. Most middle-class Canadians have been, or are being, forced down to a Wal-Mart level of existence.

    1. Re:The Canadian middle class is dying out. by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Most middle-class Canadians have been, or are being, forced down to a Wal-Mart level of existence.

      That'll be why our street is full of new trucks and SUVs. They need them to drive to Wal-Mart, I guess.

    2. Re:The Canadian middle class is dying out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems to me those fancy trucks and SUVs you speak of may perhaps belong to the upper class? I think your confusing the 150K+ a year crowd with the middle class.

      Middle class is more of a median income between that and the poverty line, most of the 30-60K people aren't out driving around in new 60K+ vehicles, most of us are the ones in the crappy older vehicles. and the rest are the ones on the bus

    3. Re: The Canadian middle class is dying out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I agree. I was going to say as you did that Target flopped in Canada.

      With currency rates being more favorable for Americans, I was curious to look at property in Canada, but I see home prices are still insanely astronomical. Almost a million dollars (CDN) for any decent-sized house that isn't a dump.

    4. Re: The Canadian middle class is dying out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leased, or used.

    5. Re:The Canadian middle class is dying out. by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      Seems to me those fancy trucks and SUVs you speak of may perhaps belong to the upper class? I think your confusing the 150K+ a year crowd with the middle class.

      Middle class is more of a median income between that and the poverty line, most of the 30-60K people aren't out driving around in new 60K+ vehicles, most of us are the ones in the crappy older vehicles. and the rest are the ones on the bus

      Seems kind of unlikely. At least where I live, the upper crust drives fancy sedans. The lower class drives fancy trucks and SUVs and the middle class drives cheap econoboxes.

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    6. Re:The Canadian middle class is dying out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >At the same time, there has been a huge flood of immigrants, most of them from third-world nations. The lack of work, combined with a large population increase, has resulted in higher levels of unemployment, along with higher housing prices.

      That is literally the opposite of how that works. Speak to a knowledgeable economist. They will explain to you that an increase in population necessitates an increase in employment as the additional people require goods and services. Yes, this includes the low paying labour---in fact, most of the theories REQUIRE the labour be at the lowest pay for it to work.

      High unemployment also does not lead to high house prices. It leads to low house prices as the local economy crumbles and people leave. This has been shown in history many, many times previously.

      >Middle-class stores, including large and long-established chains, are closing throughout Canada at an astounding pace. Zellers is gone. Target never really got off the ground. Sears is on its way out. Many of the mid-sided clothing stores have gone under lately, are in the process of going under, or are just about to.

      The economic landscape is changing and Canadians have easier access to US prices, which have been shown to be not just a bit lower than Canadian prices, but so significantly lower Canadians will take entire days out of their week to make trips to the US to save significant amounts of money. They're out of busienss because they refused to compete. Frankly, I glad of it.

      >There is a stunning degree of economic polarization: either you are quite wealthy, or you are very poor.

      This is also not bourne out by data. Please, take a look. The poorer are getting richer. The rich are getting richer as well. This isn't a zero sum game.

      >Most middle-class Canadians have been, or are being, forced down to a Wal-Mart level of existence.

      I personally shop at walmart. I'm not "forced down" there. I find they offer far better service than any of the turds exiting the market. Very good return policies. Prices that don't make me run for the border. Goods of sufficient quality to last the amount of time I expect (No, they are not top quality goods, but I don't expect 25 years of life from a $50 microwave, I expect 5 years of life. 25 years ago that microwave that was built like a tank cost $500. I'm okay with this.) The staff aren't particularly knowledgeable. Neither were FS staff. However, walmart does seem to be good about keeping them smiling, and, for the most part, that's all I need from them.

      I'm not a shill. I'm the customer walmart markets to. And, apparently, I'm average, since a lot of Canadians go there happily and willingly.

    7. Re:The Canadian middle class is dying out. by phorm · · Score: 1

      Most of the people I see with those have jobs related to the Alberta oil-sands. Watch those disappear quickly now that the bottom is dropping out of that market.

    8. Re:The Canadian middle class is dying out. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 0

      They will explain to you that an increase in population necessitates an increase in employment as the additional people require goods and services

      The problem with that theory is that productivity gains have meant that we don't need twice as many people to produce twice as many goods.

      The poorer are getting richer. The rich are getting richer as well. This isn't a zero sum game

      Not true. Adjusted for inflation, the poor are less well-off than they were 30 years ago.

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    9. Re:The Canadian middle class is dying out. by BronsCon · · Score: 2

      This reminds me of the piece of shit rust bucket I used to drive. I had a bumper sticker that read "Yes. I'm Compensating."

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    10. Re: The Canadian middle class is dying out. by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 3, Informative

      Almost a million dollars (CDN) for any decent-sized house that isn't a dump.

      You must have only looked in Toronto, Vancouver, and Montreal. Anything upwards of about $600,000 in the London area gets you an absolute mansion.

      As an example: 4 bedrooms, 4 1/2 bathrooms, a huge lot, inground pool, 2 car garage, tons of landscaping, fountains, etc, for $715,000.
      http://www.realtor.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?PropertyId=15394802

      If that place qualifies as either a dump, or too small, then you have no right to bitch about the price of property, because you must pretty much be a 1%er.

      Take a look at the $700,000 - $800,000 range:
      http://www.realtor.ca/Map.aspx#CultureId=1&ApplicationId=1&RecordsPerPage=9&MaximumResults=9&PropertyTypeId=300&TransactionTypeId=2&SortOrder=A&SortBy=1&LongitudeMin=-81.48207731193361&LongitudeMax=-81.01035184806642&LatitudeMin=42.886606758167304&LatitudeMax=43.087019589728655&PriceMin=700000&PriceMax=800000&BedRange=0-0&BathRange=0-0&ParkingSpaceRange=0-0&viewState=m&Longitude=-81.24621458&Latitude=42.98689485&ZoomLevel=11&CurrentPage=1

      There are plenty of huge houses, 3 car garages, etc, in there.

      If you want to look at the more realistic for most people range of $300,000 to $400,000:
      http://www.realtor.ca/Map.aspx#CultureId=1&ApplicationId=1&RecordsPerPage=9&MaximumResults=9&PropertyTypeId=300&TransactionTypeId=2&SortOrder=A&SortBy=1&LongitudeMin=-81.48207731193361&LongitudeMax=-81.01035184806642&LatitudeMin=42.886606758167304&LatitudeMax=43.087019589728655&PriceMin=300000&PriceMax=425000&BedRange=0-0&BathRange=0-0&ParkingSpaceRange=0-0&viewState=m&Longitude=-81.24621458&Latitude=42.98689485&ZoomLevel=11&CurrentPage=1

      You'll still find plenty of very nice houses in there, too.

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    11. Re:The Canadian middle class is dying out. by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      The American economy is predicated on the idea that your home, your food, and your clothing should be made of cheap garbage so that you can spend all your available income on fuel-guzzling oversized vehicles and glamour electronics.

      All of which become obsolete and/or wear out fairly quickly, as traditional wealth measures go.

    12. Re:The Canadian middle class is dying out. by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      And the really smart people have done the math, and bought a fairly used but still reliable vehicle (ie: closer to $5k then $10k), that's gets at least 30 MPG. They maintain it at the dealer because they know he's only going to screw them over on the official bill; rather then screwing them over by trying to use plumbing parts in a car*. Then they drive it for at least a decade.

      The easiest way to lose $3k a year every year forever is insist on having a recent-model $30k vehicle in your driveway at all times. The second-easiest is to try to keep a $500 hooptie running 365 days a year if you aren't a skilled mechanic.

      *Yes this actually happens. No I do not understand why someone would think a part meant for room temperature to possibly 130 Fahrenheit would work in a fucking internal combustion engine for any meaningful period of time. But I have actually witnessed a backstreet mechanic spend an hour trying to find the plumbing fitting that matched the one he'd pulled from a car.

    13. Re:The Canadian middle class is dying out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ..all purchased on massive amounts of "cheap" credit.

      Banks have no problems giving you loans for cars and houses, since they can put that on their books as an asset, and the Canadian housing bubble has yet to burst hard.

      Try getting a loan to buy groceries for a year.

    14. Re:The Canadian middle class is dying out. by lucm · · Score: 2

      It's quite common to deal with macho men in Fort Mac who work in the oil sands for days on end with heavy machinery, yet who have penises that are most appropriately measured in millimetres.

      If size is an issue in that region, why don't you look somewhere else for your fill of penises?

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    15. Re: The Canadian middle class is dying out. by lucm · · Score: 1

      Anything upwards of about $600,000 in the London area gets you an absolute mansion.

      That's what happens when an entire region relies on Blackberry.

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    16. Re:The Canadian middle class is dying out. by epine · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is a huge change from what the country was once like, when it had a robust middle class.

      First of all, this is the norm among industrialized economies. Perhaps Norway is different. I haven't checked since the fracking boom.

      Second, the thriving middle class was a fairly short lived affair, centered around three decades from 1950–1980. Most affluent societies have now returned to pre-1930s levels of economic inequality. Historically, an affluent middle class is the exception and not the norm.

      I had a college roommate whose brawny younger brother dropped out of high school with few skills and somehow got a job with the CAW at a starting wage north of $70,000 per year, back in the early 1980s. He soon had a wife and children, a driveway filled with expensive motor toys, and cash-flow problems.

      He was almost certainly employed at a factory making automotive products that discerning consumers—those of us lacking misty-eyed Big Three loyalty—did not wish to purchase.

      Meanwhile, high school drop-outs trying to scrape by on non-union wages weren't necessarily doing much better than those same people today, a major difference being that the majority of those fantasy union jobs have now gone away.

      Someone needs to get in a time travel booth to go back to the early 1970s to inform the CAW management group that no matter what course of action they chose, their business model (high union wages for semi-skilled labour) could not survive selling shit product. Marketing the hell out shit product was a short-term solution at best (Future Shop—ultimately—not excepted).

      As much as the Reagan and Thatcher plutocrats initiated a self-serving destruction of the middle class, the middle class itself was hardly blameless.

      Now it's time for the plutocrats to determine whether they can recognize how they are painting themselves into a non-viable corner before they encounter a messy corrective force of their own seeding.

      Beware, fellow plutocrats, the pitchforks are coming

    17. Re:The Canadian middle class is dying out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol ... it won't last that long ... busts are followed by booms

      everywhere the rich are getting richer by cheating the poor, that ain't going to change

    18. Re:The Canadian middle class is dying out. by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      The Canadian middle class is being crushed out of existence. NAFTA has played a big role in this, as it resulted in much manufacturing draining directly to Mexico. Subsequent trade agreements have not helped. At the same time, there has been a huge flood of immigrants, most of them from third-world nations. The lack of work, combined with a large population increase, has resulted in higher levels of unemployment, along with higher housing prices.

      Middle-class stores, including large and long-established chains, are closing throughout Canada at an astounding pace. Zellers is gone. Target never really got off the ground. Sears is on its way out. Many of the mid-sided clothing stores have gone under lately, are in the process of going under, or are just about to.

      The middle-class retailers that have survived so far have often done so only by dropping their quality levels, or moving into higher-end goods. There is a stunning degree of economic polarization: either you are quite wealthy, or you are very poor. This is a huge change from what the country was once like, when it had a robust middle class. Most middle-class Canadians have been, or are being, forced down to a Wal-Mart level of existence.

      The same holds true for the USA. However, regarding BestBuy, I have no tears for them. They were usually a "list price + 50%" business. As an example, I bought hdmi cables (6foot lengths) for $3.00 each, BB's price was $39.95ea. I purchased several "wireless mouse"s at $6.00ea, BB was $25.95 for the same product.

      So, if you are seeing desktops at $1000, when they should be retailing at $550.00, you know the reason why. Its called "what the market will bear+10%"
      As competition becomes stronger, BB will have to compete or close. In my area, they were advertising packaged food deals.

      More examples
      DDR3 ram should be in the $2-$3 per gig (8gig dims for $25.00, not $50.00). Manufacturing and distribution costs are less than $10.00/8gig dims
      As BBs prices come down so they can compete. so will prices follow from Amazon and NewEgg and TigerDirect and the others.

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    19. Re:The Canadian middle class is dying out. by lsatenstein · · Score: 2

      Most middle-class Canadians have been, or are being, forced down to a Wal-Mart level of existence.

      That'll be why our street is full of new trucks and SUVs. They need them to drive to Wal-Mart, I guess.

      Yes, and you will note, they are not purchases, but two family incomes paying a lease.

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    20. Re: The Canadian middle class is dying out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You talk about best buy and target like they are people. These are not middle class chains they are no different than wal mart. They feed corporate coffers not actual local business's. Big business is bad for the economy, it creates low paying worthless jobs and requires invaluable corporate jobs. How about we go back to small stores selling locally made goods directly. Less overhead no waste on corporate salaries and better quality products. The only companies that need to be large are tech conpanies only because you need billions of dollars to build transistor factories that will compete with Intel and apple.

    21. Re:The Canadian middle class is dying out. by bmo · · Score: 2

      You blame the union members and the unions.

      You blame them when the decision to sell shit products and ignore quality issues was an upper management problem, and remains to an upper management problem to this day.

      Because if that responsibility doesn't lie with upper management, then why do they get paid fucking rockstar salaries? What do they do all day, financial masturbation?

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    22. Re: The Canadian middle class is dying out. by master_kaos · · Score: 1

      thats waterloo region not london. And waterloo prices are still going up.
      Blackberry is not the only tech company in waterloo. Google is building a masssive office
      Then we have a bunch of other hightech firms such as comdev, opentext, toyota

    23. Re:The Canadian middle class is dying out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some independents and some dealer service depts are crooked.

      People who take their car to the dealer for servicing however are getting screwed over on every bill. Such people may or may not be smart, but surely they are ignorant. The really informed people find good independent shops and pay about 30% less for better, more personal service.

    24. Re: The Canadian middle class is dying out. by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      thats waterloo region not london. And waterloo prices are still going up.

      London prices are still going up, too. Our house is worth about 60-70% more than we paid for it roughly 12 years ago.

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  11. bb has been banned in my house since 1997 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll spare everyone the lengthy explanation (this story spans over three months) but multiple employees of that chain chose to participate in a series of events involving a $400 printer so unbelievable as a result they have not received a subsequent cent of the upper-five (likely six) figures of my disposable income I've spent on electronics/appliances in last 18 yrs. I had to take my son there recently to use a gift card he'd received & remember strolling through the magnolia section looking at curved 4k displays, mcintosh tube amps, b&w speakers, etc & thinking: "yeah, I could impulse buy any of this stuff at this point in my life but the day they are the last electronics retailer on earth will be the day I do a full 1040 w/all supporting schedules on an abacus!"

    I suspect I'm not alone...

    1. Re:bb has been banned in my house since 1997 by slazzy · · Score: 1

      I've often wondered if the quality of the devices such as USB external drives are not the same as elsewhere as I have the worst luck with drives from their failing early. Maybe the staff drops them a lot or something.

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    2. Re: bb has been banned in my house since 1997 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. Definitely not alone. I remember in the mid 1990s when I had to see the Best Buy ads in the paper every weekend. Then around 2002-2003 I had a couple terrible back to back experiences and have not been back since except I think two times - to spend gift cards I got as a presents.

  12. Not a huge surprise by c · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The real surprise is why it took so long? 14 years is a heck of a long time to be running large redundant stores. From the parking lot of my local Future Shop, you could literally see the Best Buy store, and neither store was ever busy enough to really justify having two so close together, and I've heard that some were so close as to share a parking lot. It might be different if there were significant differences in the product lines they carried, but as it is it never really made much sense.

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    1. Re:Not a huge surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mine they are about 50 feet apart. 10 sec walk. Calgary Northland... idiots

    2. Re:Not a huge surprise by FrozenGeek · · Score: 1

      Yep, the nearest pair of Best Buy/FutureShop to me here in Winnipeg actually shared a parking lot. Never understood why both were kept open, unless it was a regulatory requirement of the merger. Knowing that they were owned by the same parent company, I shopped more at Best Buy than FutureShop because Best Buy sales reps were not on commission while FutureShop sales reps were (and, as a result, tended to be very pushy).

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    3. Re:Not a huge surprise by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      Must of been some requirement of the merger.

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    4. Re:Not a huge surprise by c · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be surprised if there was requirement like that... maybe 5 years on the outside. But 14 years?!? That's eons by corporate standards.

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    5. Re:Not a huge surprise by c · · Score: 1

      I shopped more at Best Buy than FutureShop because Best Buy sales reps were not on commission while FutureShop sales reps were (and, as a result, tended to be very pushy).

      It might be a local thing, but I've found that the Future Shop employees generally leave... sorry, left me alone unless I hunted one down and asked questions. The few times I bothered with Best Buy I either couldn't find an employee willing to answer questions or couldn't find the product I needed.

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    6. Re:Not a huge surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol you live in Winnipeg

    7. Re:Not a huge surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gather round, children (even though almost nobody is going to be reading this four days after the fact) and listen to my tale.

      I started working for Best Buy only about a year after the first stores had opened. My particular store was the first in its area, only open a few months when I was hired, and was located almost right across the street from a Future Shop that had been there for 10+ years.

      So why were so many stores close to pre-existing FS stores? There are a couple of answers.

      First, demographics. Most of the stores were near what you could call "complimentary" stores, that would sell things like home decor, or groceries, you name it. Customers out looking for non-electronic items could be enticed to come in and browse.

      The second is, yes, competition. Not the kind of competition you're thinking of, because yes, the money all does go to the same place. But in my store, we wanted to out-do our cousins. The rivalry only grew after the FS store moved from the opposite side of the street to right beside our store, because then our customers only had to spend about a minute walking to our biggest competitor. It made you want to do your very best on the job, whether it was merchandising and appearance or just providing the best damn customer service you could.

      The third I touched on in the last paragraph - it was incredibly convenient for any customers wanting to get the buying experience they wanted. Future Shop operated on commission, Best Buy didn't. With only minor differences in stock selection, but different sales each week, the customers got to choose how they wanted to shop. Whether it was getting the best sale price, price matching, working with a commissioned salesperson or just someone who was there to assist, they had the choice. On the weekends it was very common for there to be a steady stream of people walking back and forth between the two stores. Even then, as I've seen in some of the comments here, there are people who just hated Future Shop and there are people who hated Best Buy.

      So all this? IT WORKED.

      For many years, it really worked. There was no reason to close Future Shop for the longest time. Best Buy bought Future Shop and waited to open the first BB branded store so it could learn how the Canadian market worked. It's a strategy they repeated with the expansion into China, and I *think* with the UK. Those efforts didn't work out so well, as BBUK closed, and so did BB China (although the company still owns and operates the Five Star chain in China they bought before the expansion).

      But in recent years the online shopping thing has really driven down store traffic, along with the lack of the "killer" electronic device. First it was big screen TVs, then it was netbooks and tablets, and now there isn't any one item in particular.

      Since I quit I've been back into my old store many times and the foot traffic is way down, same as at Future Shop. It doesn't make sense to maintain both chains anymore, so while I'm sad to see FS go I'm not terribly surprised either. It could have easily been the Best Buy stores closed instead, and it might have been, if it wasn't for the border Canada shares with the US.

  13. The thought that leads to disaster. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Buying from a large surface is not the answer to a good local economy ,thriving local businesses and good service.
    Let's take a look at the TV situation. The same principles applies to any product.
    We used to have a local television dealer. Man of experience and that knew his stuff. He sold and repaired the tv sets on premises.
    The shop had a few good technicians , home service , delivery pickup the whole lot. He was the tv dealer and normally had a good selection of sets.
    Dealerships meant something. It meant you could count on him when the TV has an issue and he was honoring the warranty. A guy with an RCA or Zenith dealership sign meant he was good at what he does. Came the large surfaces , selling a few dollars left , People forgot that the dealer meant a place to have it serviced , good friendly advice and a place to turn to when the going was rough. Yes you paid a few dollars more.but the tech wes there , service was there at your door. That is value. Now you buy a tv in a big surface , on line .. who do you turn to ? Got to ship the set to lord knows where at a high cost , plus pay repair plus the time you haven't a set ( Dealer used to lend you one btw ) and generally end up just adding the device to the garbage pile.
    Saving a dollar is not always a good idea. That's what got us in a mess , got our local economies in a mess , makes us loose local jobs etc etc .
    Next time you're at wal mart think of the local shops that give you good service , that's giving jobs to the neighbors that been there for decades with sole purpose of making you a happy customer .. Spend a dollar more and help everyone including yourself .

    Ric

  14. Sorta sad, in a way by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    My wife and I bought our first television (way back in the pre-HD, pre-flatscreen days) from our local Future Shop - back when they were still in the U.S. Big 27" screen... darn thing weighed close to 100 pounds. Even when I was young, that thing was a bear to move single handed.

    Wait - why are memories of that horrible old beast of a television making me feel nostalgic?

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    1. Re:Sorta sad, in a way by JustOK · · Score: 1

      Your synapasses are creating neuralreruns, something like rechargeable battery memory, or a screenburn. Avoid blue crayons for a day or two.

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  15. I just went to BestBuy... by iCEBaLM · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Futureshop and BestBuy were literally on the same street, less than half a klick from eachother in my town. I never went to BestBuy because the one time I was there, the dumb blonde behind the counter berated me for buying the kind of keyboard I wanted.

    Anyways, since Futureshop is closed now, I went to WorstBuy to see if I could get a 7200 rpm 2.5" HD, or an SSD of any kind. No SSD's anywhere, only 2 2.5" HD's, both 5400rpm. Crap... Then I passed by the cables because I needed a couple short ethernet cables. $25 for a 4' ethernet cable? Are you fucking shitting me? And these guys are complaining they're losing business.

    Maybe if you fuckheads had shit people actually wanted to buy, at reasonable prices, they would buy it.

    1. Re: I just went to BestBuy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you had asked the knowledgeable salesman he would have pointed out that it was half the price of the 4' Monster ethernet cable. And then he would have tried to sell you an extended warranty on it.

    2. Re:I just went to BestBuy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Being the "only game in town" has been the modus operandi in Canada for any type of business where dumping old or less-than-premium goods at premium prices can be schemed.

      I also find it a joy how shipping is free for so many purchases online right up to the American border, but that extra mile across the border suddenly costs 50 to 150% of the price of the item (and that's *not* including any tariffs, taxes, exchange rates, or even the dreaded brokerage fees ... just the shipping cost). This helps keep the premium stuff out of the Canadian market.

    3. Re:I just went to BestBuy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are hell bent on selling overpriced cables and cell phones. Sounds like another retailer that just went out of business...

    4. Re:I just went to BestBuy... by caseih · · Score: 1

      Your mistake was going to Best Buy to find a cable. You're better off going to Princess Auto of all places to find cheap ethernet patch and HDMI cables. No hard drives though. And everything smells like smokey rubber.

    5. Re:I just went to BestBuy... by ADRA · · Score: 1

      *shudder* the worst thing you could ever do is buy compters hardware at a retail chain. Their margins are astronomical compared to the small very lean computer resailers that have been doing good business for many years. The only time I look at retail for computers is during boxing day / black friday, and even then its unlikely to convert a sale unless its been very discounted (and at least comparable to other shops prices).

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    6. Re:I just went to BestBuy... by Straif · · Score: 1

      The check out line of Loblaws (Canadian grocery store chain) has better and cheaper HDMI cables than FS and BB and even they are overpriced @ $5 each but if you absolutely need an HDMI cable and a box of mini-wheats and don't feel like making two trips then you go with what's available. At FS and BB prices for cables, I absolutely would make a second trip to another store.

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    7. Re:I just went to BestBuy... by Straif · · Score: 1

      I used to buy all my hard drives and occasional RAM upgrades at FS and BB because of their price match policy. While they won't price match real computer stores directly (because real computer stores don't sell retail versions) occasionally one would have a sale where their prices were comparable or even better and then I'd go to whichever ones didn't have the sale and get their 110% price match.

      Because of their astronomical markups, when one would actually sell something for real market prices, it wasn't unusual to have a price match that would result in an extra $10 - $15 in your pocket compared to a real computer store.

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  16. because politicians are bought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because politicians are bought and allow themselves to be bought.

    BIG GOVERNMENT is the problem. If politicians did not have the power to make things happen, then they would not be bought.

  17. Kinda sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I kind of liked Futureshop. They usually had what I wanted and the service wasn't too bad. Kind of fun wandering around when you're bored too.

    A great band (The Sycamores of Halifax), which broke up years ago, even wrote a song about having nothing to do and going to Futureshop. Since The Sycamores are basically forgotten by the internet, here's the song, 'Future Shop Monday':

    http://picosong.com/V2r8/

    http://picosong.com/download/V2r8/

  18. Rolls eyes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At Northland Mall in Calgary, BestBuy opened up a store right before the Future Shop purchase. They weren't moving into new space, they actually built an extension to the mall just for the store. It was literally across the hall from a Future Shop. So I thought, great! Comparison shopping will never be easier.

    Right around the store opening, BestBuy bought Future Shop. Despite having completely identical prices, and being all of twenty feet from each other, and being the *same company*, they operated both locations for the next fifteen years.

    The only reason I can imagine that makes any kind of sense for doing this would be to deny some competitor access to the retail space.

    With management like that, the only surprise is that it has taken so long for more of Future Shop to get the axe.

  19. Not a moment too soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I closed my Future Shop credit card account after paying off my one and only purchase I used it for 20 years ago. Those arseholes still show up on my credit report.

    1. Re: Not a moment too soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assuming you paid on time, that's a good thing, not a bad thing

  20. Good riddance: Worst Buy and Future Crap by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

    Future Shop salespeople were pushy.

    Best Buy had overpriced outdated items that could be bought far cheaper online.

    1. Re:Good riddance: Worst Buy and Future Crap by ADRA · · Score: 1

      Well at the time (probably up till now), future shop staff were commision. That was one big diff between the two units.

      If you want pushy, try visiting Visions. They make car salesmens and realtors look classy!

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  21. Target pulled out too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Interesting how some big US retail is pulling out of Canada?

    1. Re:Target pulled out too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bestbuy owns futureshop and many wonder why they had both stores open. I can show you at least two cities near me where bestbuy either shares a parking lot with futureshop, or it is within a 2 minute walk (sometimes directly across the street).

      Other then target, who is "pulling out of Canada"?

    2. Re:Target pulled out too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can show you at least two cities near me

      I'd be happy to go if you pick up the airfare and let me crash on your couch. I can bring some cartons of smokes if you want. PS what's a good month to come? I'd rather not travel all that way just to see a snowbank!

      See you soon eh!

    3. Re:Target pulled out too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since you are playing into stupid steriotypes (smokes, snow, eh) you know you cant bring your "duck hunting" .50 BMG right?

  22. Re:iconic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " Is Canada even a country?"

    Are you highlighting the poor quality education you received in your country?

  23. Future Shop an Iconic Brand!?!?... NOT! by BBF_BBF · · Score: 1

    I'm not sad that Future Shop is finally being killed off. They were already dead once Best Buy purchased them. Best Buy and Future Shop stores were virtually identical.

    I remember shopping at the original future shop to buy 5.25" Floppies and dealing with the pushy salespeople were not a good memory. Sure it was one of the few Canadian tech store brands, but definitely I'm not shedding any tears now that it's finally completely dead.

    RIP Future Shop

    1. Re:Future Shop an Iconic Brand!?!?... NOT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure Canadians will miss Future Stop about as much as I miss Circuit City!

  24. Future Crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Future Shop salespeople were pushy.

    Best Buy had overpriced outdated items that could be bought far cheaper online.

    Not only pushy, but squarely dishonest and crooked. Tried to sell me a customer return LCD as a "Brand new opened box" ,except with a return tag on it.

    We also used to call them "Future stock" because whenever something was advertised, they never had any.

    Good riddance Indeed.

  25. Disappointing by time_lords_almanac · · Score: 1

    I could never stand Best Buy...just personal experience but their customer service and sales environment was crap. FutureShop always gave me more positive vibes, and most of the time their sales reps were a lot friendlier. Granted, I tended to buy more from Staples anyway, but still sad to see Future Shop go...

  26. Last dying breath by rashanon · · Score: 1

    In the Canadian marketplace The Futureshop was one of the worst players. They went out of their way to destroy other businesses and companies, as could be told by the amount of lawsuits they had filed against them over the years. They had questionable ethics but for a time they were winners of the marketplace.

    But the marketplace changes. when they were bought by Best Buy they created this stupid illusion of competition by opening a Best Buy directly opposite a Futureshop. Futureshop had the better price, but Best Buy actually had the stock. We all saw through this pathetic attempt and over time just stop trusting them. Best Buy retracted last year, they're killing the name off this year which still boils down to slimming down the stores and retracting the business again.

    Overall a marketplace that has spoken, and dumping a crappy company. How much longer before we watch the liquidators come in and clear out the morally and financially bankrupt Best Buy.

  27. You can only buy shit with debt for so long... by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 1

    Take a look at the bigger picture with the canadian economy. We never really had the same sort of crash as the americans in 2008. The middle and upper classes were insulated by artificially low interest rates and the encouragement to start flipping more and more property. Harper and his cronies dropped interest rates so low, and screwed with the housing market so much that the entire economy is now built on debt, subprime mortgages and oil.Oil is down for the count, people simply cannot take out more mortgages, and debt is at an all time high.

    It is not a surprise to me that people have run out of debt now (despite a thoroughly panicked boc dropping interest rates AGAIN on the 15th of april or so I hear...). The dollar is tanking too if you haven't noticed, which really sucks for buying things from america. The american economy recovered, our depression was glossed over and hidden by the conservatives over the last 7 years with the stupid policy of low interest rates. Now they are desperately trying to bribe people before the election and are praying that the shit does not hit the fan before that.

    The conservative government is all smoke and mirrors while they are here, and when they get kicked out, it will be someone elses mess to fix.

    Futureshop and bestbuy are the same store and have been since 2001. The greatest trick they pulled in this country was convincing canadians that they had the ability to comparison shop for electronics by visiting just those two stores. They had a good racket going, but now the internet has come so far as to be the real competition. So yes the company is doing the right thing by consolidating brands, but harper has also messed up the economy so much, that people simply don't have any more money to spend. The retail sector feels that first, so they are the ones having to reorganize to stay afloat.

    The canadian landscape is littered with large department store chains that have folded. I am old enough to remember shopping at towers, which was sold to zellers at exactly the same time as the last major housing correction. Funny how consumer spending and housing affordability is inter-related isn't it?

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    1. Re:You can only buy shit with debt for so long... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forget blaming low interest rates on the government. If the Bank of Canada had held rates higher than it did (1%) for the last 5 years, the rate spread vs. the Fed (+0.75%) would have skyrocketed the Canadian dollar and left an even bigger smoking crater in the manufacturing industry.

  28. First job I ever applied for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... 14 years old in Boise, ID. Tried to get a job as a tech salesman but apparently I was too young and they thought people wouldn't trust my knowledge. Pretty sure I knew more about PCs at the time than the folks that would have managed me.

    Now I make six figures at a job I don't set an alarm clock for because I show up when I want. Suck it, Future Shop. :)

    1. Re:First job I ever applied for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      drug dealing?

  29. Why do we allow these mergers? by sproketboy · · Score: 1

    Why do we allow these mergers in the first place? Oh yeah profit.

  30. Iconic? by Murdoch5 · · Score: 1

    The only thing Iconic about Future Shop is that it charged 200% to much, had horrible tech service and completely unqualified and untrained works who couldn't even pass a simple IT / Tech Test. I had an interview years ago at Future Shop for a tech position and at that time, I held more certificates then the "Manager", who claimed your A+ ( which is a joke ), was qualification, this was in high school.

  31. I usually drive further than walk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...those that weren't within driving, or even walking distance...

    Strange phrasing.

    1. Re:I usually drive further than walk by Lirodon · · Score: 1

      ...those that weren't within driving, or even walking distance...

      Strange phrasing.

      Not really. The Future Shop near me was not in the same parking lot as a Best Buy, but it was just a short 2 minute drive from one. As you've seen, some of these pairs were located within the same mall.

    2. Re:I usually drive further than walk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Normally in English one would pose the lesser degree first then the greater degree.

      The distance you travel while walking is typically less than the distance you might choose to drive.

      A less awkward way to say it might be: ...those that weren't within walking, or even driving distance.

    3. Re: I usually drive further than walk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that would be a wrong way of saying things.

      In English the more severe thing comes last. Having two stores within walking distance is more bizarre. The point of his phrase was closeness, not distance.

      Phrased the other way, driving distance is redundant with walking distance.

    4. Re: I usually drive further than walk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously you would eliminate the stores in walking distance. That's the least serve. It's obvious they are redundant and not controversial that they are being eliminated. (RTFA)

      But even eliminating the stores in driving distance. That's the more severe situation.

  32. Fuck you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Signed,

    - AC

    PS - I assume you won't take offense based on the claim in your sig that you ignore AC posts. Personally, I abhor that practice as I see it contributing to a wider attempt to invalidate the right to anonymity, but different strokes for different folks, I guess.

  33. Future shop was greedy / huge profit margin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worked for a company called A&B Sound in Victoria, B.C. We competed against future shop in the electronics department. Future shop's components were either sub-grade and "cheap", or had highly inflated prices. Customer service was also really horrid. In comparison Best Buy has inflated prices (often), but at least they don't sell crap. One thing in general is that Canadian stores tend to gauge their customers far more than US. It might be a demand/supply problem. Canadians should wake up and order more things online in the US or internationally.

  34. Bottom Line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It comes down to Best Buy Execs wanting more money elsewhere than in the Sales Reps pockets.

    Future Shop was a commissioned sales environment (good or bad, it's irrelevant to the point I'm making about money allocation).
    Best Buy was pretty much minimum wage for all Sales staff.

    By converting all Future Shops to Best Buys, they can circumnavigate and red tape and expensive payouts that would have needed to take place otherwise.

  35. Uh oh. Watch it, Best Buy... by iq145 · · Score: 1

    If they're not careful, they'll catch up to the scales of evil Comcast and Walmart have sunken to! http://gizmodo.com/babmost-hat...

  36. Brand names mean a lot in some places by PPalmgren · · Score: 1

    Canadians might not say it or act like it, but they are quite nationalistic when it comes to brands and companies. What I've seen is that american brands have had trouble penetrating that market because preference goes to the incumbent local company. Target is struggling to gain acceptance, Canadian Tire is still the go-to, and even major e-tailers like Newegg have trouble over the other Canadian e-tailers. Hell, Sears seems to have won mindshare by having a little maple leaf in their Canadian logo. They may not like to hear it, but Canadians are just like Americans in that regard. A lot of people I've talked to buy Apple precisely because they see it as an American brand.

    1. Re:Brand names mean a lot in some places by c · · Score: 1

      What I've seen is that american brands have had trouble penetrating that market because preference goes to the incumbent local company.

      There's a certain amount of truth there. But there are also counter-examples. Walmart, in particular, destroyed quite a bit of the competition (Woolco, K-Mart, Zellers, etc).

      And then there's cross-border shopping...

      Target is struggling to gain acceptance

      Well, not anymore. The best I can determine is that Target's approach to the Canadian market was to push brand recognition, but their supply chain, pricing, and how they ran their stores was jarringly different from how they ran them in the US, and enough Canadians knew the difference that once the word got out, the impression was they were trying to milk Canadians without bringing anything new to the table.

      Canadian Tire is still the go-to

      Canadian Tire hits a real sweet spot in terms of locations, pricing and selection. I can't really think of any other competition which covers quite the same ground.

      even major e-tailers like Newegg have trouble over the other Canadian e-tailers

      True. I think ncix.com was solidly established well before Newegg opened a Canadian store.

      The problem for these companies is that their .ca sites routinely offer less to Canadians at usually substantially higher prices than their .com's, and while there may be legit business reasons, nobody likes being treated as a second-class citizen. So there's always a bit of resentment.

      Hell, Sears seems to have won mindshare by having a little maple leaf in their Canadian logo.

      I think Sears won mindshare in Canada from catalog sales. There are Sears mail-order outlets in every stinking little town across the country, and Canada has a lot of stinking little towns; up until maybe 10-15 years ago when e-commerce took off they were the household name for remote purchasing. But they're no longer the only game in town, and their supply chain is still stuck in the 90's; I can buy Craftsman parts directly from China faster and more reliably than I can get them from the local Sears parts store. I'd be very surprised to see them last another five years.

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  37. I hope you didn't mean Best Buy as an iconic brand by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

    Unless you mean iconic in how they try to make the cheap TVs purposely look bad to sell the expensive ones, and then tack on a $7 HDMI cable that somehow rings up as $89.