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Google Unveils the Chromebit: an HDMI Chromebook Dongle

An anonymous reader writes: Today Google unveiled a new device: the Chromebit. It's a small compute stick that contains the Rockchip 3288 processor, 2GB RAM, and 16GB of storage — much like a low-end Chromebook. It connects to a TV or monitor through an HDMI port. (It also has a USB port for power and plugging in peripherals.) Google says the Chromebit is their solution for turning any display into a computer, and it will cost under $100. Google also announced a couple of new Chromebooks as well. Haier and Hisense models will cost $150, and an ASUS model with a rotating display will cost $250.

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  1. Transcoding capabilities? by sanf780 · · Score: 2

    If it does not do transcoding, what is the advantage regarding a smartphone plus a Chromecast? Or a Smartphone plus an HDMI dongle? I still fail to see the advantage of ChromeOs.

    1. Re:Transcoding capabilities? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plug this into a monitor and you basically have a thin-client PC. If your business can operate 100% via the web then this is a pretty cheap solution and virtually maintenance-free, with full-disk encryption and all that too.

    2. Re:Transcoding capabilities? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      If it does not do transcoding, what is the advantage regarding a smartphone plus a Chromecast?

      The price?

    3. Re:Transcoding capabilities? by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      Is it too thin of a client though? I honestly can't imagine doing work on a chromebook, unless my job was social media director and all I had to do was browse the web.

    4. Re:Transcoding capabilities? by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      If you can put a VNC client on it, it's a bog-standard thin client, like any other.

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    5. Re:Transcoding capabilities? by qbzzt · · Score: 1

      The price is better only if you don't already have a smartphone.

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    6. Re:Transcoding capabilities? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      croutonize it and install Ubuntu or some other distro to run chroot... although I DO recommend an x86 based chromebook for this and cannot strongly enough recommend 4GB models.

      I have the ASUS i3/4GB chromebook which I purchased specifically for size and battery runtime with the intention of croutonizing it and replacing the shipped SSD with a more useful 128GB. Alarmingly though I still find myself using chrome(I still despise it as a browser TBH even though it is MUCH more customizable now than it used to be) for quick browsing as it (a) either boots in about a second(well if you remember to press CTRL-D at boot(30s timeout in dev mode and if some jackass presses any other key it wipes, so...) or (b) is ready to go by the time the screen is rotated back.

      That said chromeos, probably because of the RAM piglet Chrome is ALWAYS bumping up again the 4GB with a paltry 8 or 9 tabs open, and thats with script blocking, lightweight adblockers, etc.

      I really wish that some vendor would still ship a chromebook w/a core CPU option AND slotted RAM as I would've maxxed out RAM as well, cheap upgrade thats still about the best bang for the buck as far as upgrades go to a point, and believe me these chromebooks could stand more RAM especially since I'm also using it for light compiling and other things which also have the drawback of chewing through the battery fairly quickly(as expected) but at the end of the day it's still small and light. Screen res doesn't bother me in the slightest as it's a tertiary notebook for me anyways.

      Also I recently jumped on another tablet(monkey with x86 android) in the form of a c. $110(well they jumped up $22 over the last week) Teclast x80h Atom z3735f/2GB/32GB dual boot windows 8.1 (used to be w/Bin now it's w/o) and Android 4.4.4. It's surprisingly peppy even with win8.1, so recent atoms might have enough oomph for non-demanding usage scenarios. As to the tablet itself, usual cheap china tab. Stuck with Android 4.4.4 unless someone manages to build a new release, wifi is 2.4G only b/g/n, has bluetooth(untested), hdmi, decent screen(IPS 1280x800) but don't expect it to be useful on a sunny day outdoors, low batt(supposed to be 5000mah but reports vary as to what actually got shipped and that varies between what should be identical products although I see that the Chinese have learnt about disclaimers. Their Chingrish manual makes a stab at attempting to convey that specifications may change without warning, or in china tab case whatever components were the cheapest on the day when the tab was built...) Supports USB OTG (microUSB portx1 which is also the charging port). They split the 32GB storage pretty much evenly between Android and win8, so Android has c. 8GB free(some chinese bloatware under android) and c. 6-7GB free OOB under win8. Also needs some further localization to english as while it ships with the default account(not sure if vendor did this or teclast) but they only set it for that account, and the region also will need to be changed from China(ships w/english & chinese lang packs installed, have to download/install others on your own) which I forgot to do until i was trying to figure out why metro apps still had chinese.

      As I suspected Metro is kind of useful for a tablet(and likely phone as well), but for x86 it appears that M$ did it half----edly as I was still dumped out to "classic" UI items. Sort of like back in the day when wince(pretty much any version of it) would out of nowhere popup dialog boxes that looked straight out of win3.1. All of that said I still despise metro.

      Debating whether I should risk brickage attempting to install linux... probably won't as Android batt runtime is already MUCH lower than win8.1 usage, which I suspect the root cause is linux kernel config, and doing a full distro would just open up a can of worms that I really don't think that I want to bother with on this particular machine... I also wonder what chromeos would be like on it... obviously memory cramped, but I wonder what it would be like

  2. Use cases by ADRA · · Score: 1

    Well I personally have no use cases for something like this, but thinking about the economic low end I see this as a win. There are a lot more HDMI capable TV's than there are PC's, so if they can create a good input device / internet solution, I'd consider this a win. The problem is that inputs will most likely be non-ideal and internet's expensive (unless you're 'sharing' a neighbors connection). I wish em' luck finding new ways of getting computing resources into the hands of everyone though.

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    1. Re:Use cases by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      For this exact thing, I agree with you. But it's hinting at something I definitely want to see: a computer in my pocket that can connect and conform to any screen/input available.

      While I'm out and about, I attach it to a tablet-sized dumb touchscreen (that costs much less than tablets do today) and jot down some notes. Then when I get home, I attach it to a 24" monitor (or two) with mouse and keyboard. I start where I left off, and everything is the same except the UI has adapted. Once I'm done with my work, I warm up some food and sit down in the living room to review the work on the TV using the appropriate remote interface (or gestures a la Kinect).

      Now, that's cool but that computer stick is probably not very powerful. Let's take it further... when I get home, not only do I attach a large screen with mouse and keyboard input, but I also have addon CPU and GPU cores, memory, and so on to enhance the capabilities from a simple stick to a powerful PC.

      Sure, most of what I want is either possible today or will be soon via cloud synchronization. But I think there's still something to be said about having this capability independent of the Internet and a large corporate entity controlling my experience.

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    2. Re:Use cases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      While I'm out and about, I attach it to a tablet-sized dumb touchscreen (that costs much less than tablets do today) and jot down some notes.

      Motorola tried a similar thing with the ability to attach your smartphone to a dumb terminal, the problem was that without the smartphone attached you just had this useless terminal that you then had to carry and if you broke your smartphone you also broke your laptop.

      and everything is the same except the UI has adapted

      Or you could just have a program appropriate to the device on each device and sync the data between them through a USB stick or the internet. One of the biggest problems with your idea is that if you lose or break that device you lose everything and everything you plug it into is pretty much useless without it. If I drop my phone in the water I still have all my data synced and accessible and able to be used and manipulated via my laptop, tablet or desktop. I can already sync necessary data between them so where is the advantage?

      Let's take it further... when I get home, not only do I attach a large screen with mouse and keyboard input, but I also have addon CPU and GPU cores, memory, and so on to enhance the capabilities from a simple stick to a powerful PC.

      Then you just end up with the fragmentation of what you can and cannot do depending on what the device is plugged in to. Why carry around all this stuff that is useful only when you plug it in to the added CPU/GPU/Memory? For the past decade or so it has been possible to carry around all your data on a USB stick so it is accessible everywhere you go and from whatever device you plug it into but even that hasn't caught on for a variety of reasons, much less doing that and the operating system and PC hardware as well.

  3. Google terminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I was spending the money, I'd want a more 'real' PC on a stick such as the MeegoPad T01 Mini PC for Window 8.1... Similar stats and price..

    Tho, cheaper still is a Winbook tw700 for $60.00 with legal win8.1(I'd pay double if it ran XP), hdmi, full size usb, and more.. Use it as such, just more bulky behind the TV.

  4. Mainframe, desktop, laptop, tablet, smartphone... by penguinoid · · Score: 1

    ...dongle.

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  5. Too little by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still too expensive and too weak. You can get an HP Stream 7 32GB for $80 + $10 USB OTG card reader/full size USB/MHL HDMI adapter and have a full Windows 8.1/10 tablet & PC.

    1. Re:Too little by Lussarn · · Score: 1

      Still too expensive and too weak. You can get an HP Stream 7 32GB for $80 + $10 USB OTG card reader/full size USB/MHL HDMI adapter and have a full Windows 8.1/10 tablet & PC.

      If you want a TABLET you should probably check that one out or any of the other super lowend tablets, but I don't see how that has anything to do with HDMI dongle computers

    2. Re:Too little by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you fucking stupid? Seriously, learn to read.

  6. This is on Mashable*Australia* by BluBrick · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Remember kids, just like all other dates, April 1st comes to Australia earlier than to most other countries - almost a whole day earlier than the U.S.

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    1. Re:This is on Mashable*Australia* by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Should that be modded "+1 Informative" or "-1 Spoiler"?

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    2. Re:This is on Mashable*Australia* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's nothing "funny" about it though, it seems like a real product. GMail was launched on April 1st too.

  7. Meh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Go on Aliexpress and search for "Android Mini PC" and you will find tons of these. These specs are fairly standard for that price. $100 for 2G/16G with hardware H.265 4k decoding.

    Id rather have Android than ChromeOs.

  8. Official announcement on Google Chrome blog by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 4, Insightful
  9. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Rockchip

    GPL Lawsuit incoming 3.. 2...

  10. Can I stream to it? by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    Will it be able to access my Windows NAS (which coincidentally would be maybe 3 inches from the stick) to stream movies and/or music? Looking at WDTV now (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/wdtv/), but it's lack of Netflix is disturbing.

    1. Re:Can I stream to it? by quenda · · Score: 1

      Of course you can. This is a mini-PC running a "real" Linux, not just android, and certainly not a chromecast dongle.
      Linux uses SAMBA to access Windows shares.
      These would make a great HTPC. You should be able to run a DLNA client or server. And Netflix will work too.

    2. Re: Can I stream to it? by sanf780 · · Score: 1

      I though Netflix already works with Chromecast. So let me focus on other cases. I am worried that the Chromebit might not have enough muscle to play anything but H264 level 4.1 (Max level used in Blurays), as many other HW decoders have been doing in the past. Forget about higher H264 levels, or even H265 (not sure if there will be discrimination here). And I will not get into the discussion about 10b per channel video that is so popular with fansubbed anime these days.
      With no specs available, I am not convinced the Chromebit is much better than a Chromecast, unless you want to use ChromeOs. If I were to chose, I would rather use a tablet than a TV for navigating the internet.

    3. Re:Can I stream to it? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 0

      no, it will not make a great htpc.

      its not open, no one can trust anything google does and there will be a catch, and then it will be eol'd and abandoned.

      have people really not been paying attention to all the things google has lost interest in, over time? why would this be any different?

      they are not a reliable vendor of anything. they change courses and leave you stranded. and there is always the spying, spying, spying.

      I'd never buy any more google based hardware. that would be stupid!

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    4. Re:Can I stream to it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In addition, Google product are crap quality. I bought two Nexus 7 tablets at the same time. Both abruptly started failing to charge after approximately a year and a half. I replaced cables, I replaced chargers, I replaced batteries and nothing. I know stuff manufactured by ASUS has become shit quality, but I hold Google equally responsible for choosing them and for not properly testing these now paperweight/coaster tablets. I will never buy another product with the Google or ASUS name ever again (I had a high end ASUS laptop fail not long ago too).

      Google treated me like shit and pushed me back to Microsoft. I have no regrets with my Windows tablet, it works great...better than any Android tablet ever has.

    5. Re:Can I stream to it? by chr1st1anSoldier · · Score: 2

      Not sure if you've wandered over to the Microsoft Privacy Policy: http://www.microsoft.com/priva... but they collect info about you too.

      Not really sure if you're a Microsoft employee, but it looks like one or two have visited based on some of the comments I see here. People rambling on about Google spying as if no other web service collects data about its users. At the same time try to lift up Microsoft as if they're the bastion of hope for a 100% private internet when they are really doing the same thing Google is doing. It's the pot calling the kettle black and nothing more. Furthermore, Microsofts continual attempts at smear campaigns against any competitors just makes me desire their products less and less.

      Just look at the difference in advertising, Google just promotes their products while Microsoft just bashes the competition. It comes off as extremely immature and childish of Microsoft. To top it off they throw in astroturfing on boards like this and reddit and it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

    6. Re:Can I stream to it? by quenda · · Score: 2

      Wow, on what do you base that rant?
      I've been using a current Chrome-OS device (ASUS Chromebox) and it makes a great desktop and HTPC.
      You can run Ubuntu in a chroot, feels like native.
      Or if you want to wipe chrome-os, you can install Linux native. No hack needed, just switch to developer mode.
      This is not Android.

      Do you have some rational reason to believe the new device will be locked down? No developer mode?

    7. Re:Can I stream to it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what it says:

      We collect information when you register, sign in and use our sites and services. We also may get information from other companies.
      We collect this information in a variety of ways, including from web forms, technologies like cookies, web logging and software on your computer or other device.

      However, the difference between Microsoft and Google is that you can fully use a computer running Windows without signing in with Microsoft, meaning they collect nothing. You cannot do the same in Chrome OS because you MUST sign in with Google in order to use it which means Google will always collect your data.

      Another thing to consider is that Microsoft doesn't make their money by collecting user data, they have actual products and sell in such numbers as to be able to sustain themselves. The same is true for Apple. Google, on the other hand, makes the bulk of their money off of ads and user data, which gives them a much greater motivation to collect it.

    8. Re:Can I stream to it? by chr1st1anSoldier · · Score: 1

      I liked the part how you overlooked the text in your own quote about collecting data by external means not related to a Microsoft Account.

      We collect this information in a variety of ways, including from web forms, technologies like cookies, web logging and software on your computer or other device.

      I also like how you overlooked the sentences like these:

      We use demographic information – gender, country, age and postal code but not your name or contact information – from your Microsoft account to provide personalized ads to you.

      I also liked how you overlooked that was the privacy policy for Microsoft Services. You still have privacy policies for

      Bing & MSN: http://www.microsoft.com/priva...
      CRM: http://www.microsoft.com/priva...
      Microsoft.com: http://www.microsoft.com/priva...
      Mobile Devices: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us...
      Office: http://www.microsoft.com/priva...
      Enterprise Services: http://www.microsoft.com/priva...
      XBox: http://www.microsoft.com/priva...
      All other products(Including the Windows OS): http://www.microsoft.com/priva...

  11. convenience , performance, OS, price, capabilities by raymorris · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's more convenient to plug in a dongle and be done than to plug in a dongle, connect a smartphone, and then hope your application works with the Chromecast. A real hdmi connection will outperform the Chromecast screencasting by a couple orders of magnitude. Since it's Chromebook-like hardware, it'll run Ubuntu or other Linux - the same OS running on everything from desktops and radios to super computers. Programs can be written in any language. It has full remote management capability (ssh etc.) so you can set it up and everything from your desktop, using the same methods you use to manage servers over a network, unlike a smartphone.

    I have one use-case right away. We want to hang a monitor or TV on the wall as a kind of digital bulletin board that has constant updates. This device would be perfect. We COULD use a smartphone and a dongle, but just a dongle (no smartphone needed) makes it simpler, and running Linux on the dongle means it's more powerful and flexible- I can program it in Perl, C, Ruby, or PHP rather than being forced to write an Android app in Java.

  12. Re:Mainframe, desktop, laptop, tablet, smartphone. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    You forgot phablet. Maybe we'll get phongle in there too at some point.

  13. Number of cores matters most by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My table has eight cores (MediaTek MT6592), that's twice as good. Also it was $75 and had a 3G modem and 7" LCD (colorfly g708). To give you a sense of how much people are overcharging for a dongle. My tablet is only 1.4 Ghz, but that chip apparently is available as 2.0 GHz if you can deal with the thermal issues.

    I think I'll wait for something Tegra X1 based though, that chip screams on GPU performance. And in clamshell or settop the thermals aren't quite as limiting to such a beastly chip. (there is a CUDA dev kit for it, you could prototype your next super computer on a few Tegras, neat!)

  14. Even cheaper Windows notebooks soon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HP released the Stream 11 for $200 and matched the lowest of the Chromebooks. They have a 7" tablet for $100.

    ChromeOS is nice and all, but there are some applications that only run on Windows (even video players and whatnot).

  15. Re:convenience , performance, OS, price, capabilit by mrbester · · Score: 0

    Use a Pi. For the same price you can have four and construct a video wall.

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  16. Re:convenience , performance, OS, price, capabilit by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

    At "sub $100" what is it's advantage over a $35 Rasberry pi 2?

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  17. Also screencasting? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    If it also replaces chromecast by accepting screencasts from Android devices, then I'm in. I was going to buy a Razer Forge, but that was supposed to be out already and it isn't, so I guess Razer just sucks eggs like usual

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  18. The ChromeBit and the ChromeCast by zennling · · Score: 1

    At this point, why have both? Could you not just extend the ChromeCast to have the ChromeBit's features?

  19. For one second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've read Chromebait.

  20. Re:convenience , performance, OS, price, capabilit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Smaller form factor, USB overcurrent protection, built-in Bluetooth & WiFi, case included, power supply included and a reputable supplier behind it.

  21. Re:convenience , performance, OS, price, capabilit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it's going to be in a semi-public area, you'll probably want to connect it via F-to-M HDMI cable so you can securely fasten the dongle to something. That form factor tends to have a habit of growing legs...

  22. Re:convenience , performance, OS, price, capabilit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Set up a project on SourceForge or something. Let's do it. I vote Perl, for nostalgia, but whatever tool/language is fine (ok, maybe not Ruby)

  23. Re:Mainframe, desktop, laptop, tablet, smartphone. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those are new phangled things...

  24. Re:convenience , performance, OS, price, capabilit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use a Pi. For the same price you can have four and construct a video wall.

    +1

    That's exactly what I thought also some time ago and was surprised when I searched "Raspberry Pi signage" and found this site RPi Projects/Digital Signage.

    Having seen how clumsy Cisco Digital Signage solution (DMM and DMP's are) is in practice it's not even funny. I'm not a great fan of it after 2+ years experience. We'll at least evaluate all that stuff available there before putting any more money on that Cisco soultion. (I am quite happy with many many enterprise class devices and solutions they have sold and I used over the 25 years, but this product is way under the usual Cisco standard, even with more recent DMP's).

  25. Re:convenience , performance, OS, price, capabilit by unrtst · · Score: 1

    ... or you can just use any of the already available in much cheaper HDMI dongles and install linux on them. For example, here's one way to do it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
    http://www.cnx-software.com/20...

    You can get an RK3188 based HDMI stick on amazon for $40 - $50 (I didn't spend much time searching... I'm sure there are cheaper ones and beefier and more expensive ones). Alibaba has them much cheaper too, if you're willing to wait for it.

  26. IT department says "random Chinese guy, or Google? by raymorris · · Score: 2

    I'll mention to the IT department that they could save $30 by buying a generic stick from a random Chinese guy rather than buying a popular product form the third-largest company in the world.

    If you're a hobbiest playing around, seeing what you can do with your new toy, you might want to save that $30. If you're a business spending $100 / hour to employ someone to set it up and maintain it, that Chinese stick is much more expensive. It's much less expensive to get something well documented and supported by the world's third-largest company than to choose something with instructions that read "Push of button the power electric to on".