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Ask Slashdot: Options Beyond YouTube For An Indie Web Show?

New submitter Deltree Zero writes: I have an indie TV-style education/entertainment show which focuses on medicinal cannabis growing and use in Maine, product reviews, guests, etc. I have been creating the show at home using a very passable camera, editing with Lightworks, and have been distributing it via YouTube. I am five monthly episodes in, and besides needing a small upgrade in the microphone department, production has settled in to a workable quality level that I can be proud of. I am not looking to collect money at any time during distribution. The show is getting quite popular and I was wondering if any Slashdot readers had any advice on how to distribute my show other ways than YouTube. I see Roku is an outlet like this but my show must first pass through some sort of content filter and I am still waiting to hear if medicinal cannabis is on the "no-no list." There are other indie TV-style channels I have heard of, Revision 3, for example. What other indie channels exist that might deliver my show at low or no cost? What other methods of digital distribution make sense for an upcoming web show looking to free itself from YouTube as its only distribution point?

60 comments

  1. Vimeo by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    Try Vimeo.

    1. Re:Vimeo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there some reason that vimeo would be particularly useful for this poster? Or are you just a lazy ass who likes to blurt out a two word reply?

    2. Re:Vimeo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Is there some reason that vimeo would be particularly useful for this poster?

      Well, this particular poster doesn't really explain what his needs are, or why he is dissatisfied with YouTube, or much of anything else, other than that some sites may theoretically have an anti-medical-dope policy, but he isn't sure about that. So just listing random sites that host videos is about the best we can do.

    3. Re:Vimeo by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Not really.

    4. Re:Vimeo by Deltree+Zero · · Score: 1

      I will try Vimeo. Thank you. :)

    5. Re: Vimeo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://vimeo.com/search?q=grow+marijuana

      http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/grow%20marijuana

      (Since some lazy asses can't be bothered to do a ten-second search)

    6. Re:Vimeo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ugh, hell no. Vimeo still relies solely upon Adobe Flash.

    7. Re:Vimeo by Deltree+Zero · · Score: 1

      I thought other forms of digital distribution for web shows were my clearly stated needs? I never mentioned dissatisfaction with youtube, I just wanted to know if other users of this site had any additional ideas. "medical-dope" Leave the stone age my friend.

    8. Re:Vimeo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      web show looking to free itself from YouTube as its only distribution point?

      Sure, he is not _saying_ it, but he sure is implying that he would like more than one distribution path.

      Especially given how fast a single service can be shut down in this day and age, i.e. the twilight of the Internet.

      Oh, gosh, the OP jumps in below to _say_ it, explicitly.

    9. Re:Vimeo by wolrahnaes · · Score: 1

      I thought other forms of digital distribution for web shows were my clearly stated needs? I never mentioned dissatisfaction with youtube, I just wanted to know if other users of this site had any additional ideas.

      Considering that Youtube is going to be most people's default choice, it's probably a good idea to indicate specifically why you're looking for other options.

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    10. Re:Vimeo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some people will never leave the stone-age.

    11. Re:Vimeo by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      there's two ways.

      1) use a video hosting site such as youtube, vimeo, amazon or who the fucking ever.

      2) OR host your own site. many popular online content creators do both, as their own site gives better advertising money BUT it's useless to try to find new viewers unless you're on youtube.

      if you want to generate money, get on patreon. and keep the vids where they are, making exclusive content to patreon supporters is unlikely to generate too many new supporters so try to keep it all available anyways. if people like what you're doing, they'll chip in.

      for example, look at how others are doing stuff.

      punkeffect.com for one, cinemassacre for another, tested.com etc etc.

      but if you get totally out of youtube, you'll lose 95% of your random viewers.

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    12. Re:Vimeo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think your question was clear, you're obviously high (or drunk).

    13. Re:Vimeo by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Not true, otherwise nothing would play on my Flash-free computer. Maybe you should use a better browser?

    14. Re:Vimeo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use Chromium and have Vimeo completely whitelisted. HTML5 works fine on YouTube.

      It's more likely that you're using some shit like IE11 or Google Chrome that has Flash as an integrated component.

    15. Re:Vimeo by Phoghat · · Score: 1

      If you are at all familiar with it, Vimeo has a bit more class, and it's users are a bit more sophisticated and their product quite a bit more polished and professional appearing, than the standard YT'er, with their "oops, dropped the camera again" dialogue

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    16. Re:Vimeo by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      Not on Windows and not using Chrome either. I said I was Flash-free.

    17. Re:Vimeo by budgenator · · Score: 1

      I suspect that his intended audience has a deep-seat dis-trust of establishment types, and the Youtube/Google conglomerate have long since out ran their antiestablishmentarianism days!

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  2. Gaming review revenue model clone by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    " I am not looking to collect money at any time during distribution."

    Not when you can get kickbacks from the products and people you interview.

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    1. Re:Gaming review revenue model clone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Munchies Quest is the greatest game ever made! Who cares if it's a glorified HTML game?

      (Disclaimer: I was given a free toke in exchange for this promotion.)

    2. Re:Gaming review revenue model clone by Deltree+Zero · · Score: 1

      We do get free objects from time to time such as gear to review, but we only accept thing in this way and are not out for any profit. We feel education about what we do is important and if we can deliver that and be entertaining as well, awesome.

  3. Server, Domain, DIY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The internet does not require you to go through someone else's web service to deliver your content.

    1. Re:Server, Domain, DIY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This i would suggest. If you want the audience tho, Youtube is really where all the cannabis shows are. Doesnt mean you cant build a name for yourself. Its just not as hard as i's made out to be., the hosting part.

    2. Re: Server, Domain, DIY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think he can enable ads on that content at YouTube tho.
      That's probably why he's asking.
      Who's gonna sponsor that on any website and be worth it?

    3. Re: Server, Domain, DIY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think he can enable ads on that content at YouTube tho

      Why wouldn't he be able to?

    4. Re:Server, Domain, DIY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you build it, they won't come.

    5. Re:Server, Domain, DIY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would they? I couldn't tell the marihuana from maple leaves. If you know how it smells, you are more qualified to make a stoner blogcast than I am.

  4. Confused about your goals. by Seor+Jojoba · · Score: 1

    You say you are not looking to collect money at any point in distribution. So what do you want? Maybe you want a lot of people to see the show. In that case, Youtube already serves you well for distribution, and you could just focus on advertising/promotion. Or maybe you want clout. Or having colleagues and connections. Or something else?

    1. Re:Confused about your goals. by Deltree+Zero · · Score: 1

      We only want to take some of our free time and passion for what we do and turn it into an entertaining 15-30 min monthly video that can help educate people and be fun. The more people we reach in this way the better. There is nothing to advertize for or promote besides our views on medicinal cannabis. Clout is great. Colleagues and connections we already have, but more cannot hurt.

  5. A host of options by guruevi · · Score: 1

    Depending on the quality of you show, your options could range widely from Vimeo/Twitch to iTunes/Amazon. Since your streams may be considered 'illegal' in some parts of the world, I recommend doing it yourself on a video streaming hosting, making available over BitTorrent and a darknet advertising the alternative options through your regular channels just in case you have to deal with a takedown.

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    1. Re:A host of options by Deltree+Zero · · Score: 1

      I did not realize Twitch did things besides game streams, I will try Twitch. Thank you. :) iTunes? I suppose you are right. I did not think of that either, but that is probably because my opinion of Apple is poor. Good idea. Having our own website and things like that seem a bit more costly than we are prepared for. I am a geek with a nice PC and good software and a backgound in art and media so the show is of realtively high quality at little to no cost. As I mentioned we are not looking to make money to spend on the show or anything else at this time so besides a diiirrrrtt cheap option, paying for anything is out.

  6. BitTorrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could try using bittorrent as an additional alternative distribution method.

    Check your ISP's TOS and see if distributing from home(non-commercially) is allowed. Web servers and similar servers are usually disallowed but bittorrent might fall into a gray area. It could also be a good reason to upgrade to a business class internet plan.

    An alternative to bittorrent distribution from home is a VPS network to do the bittorrent distribution. You will have to examine the VPS provider's TOS at that point, but you should be able to set alerts/warnings when you are approaching the bandwidth limit of each VPS node.

  7. The advertisement is damn good.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to promote Revision 3. I will certainly take a look at it.

  8. Archive.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am not looking to collect money at any time during distribution.

    Have you considered archive.org?

    The guy who makes Chrontendo puts copies of the episodes of there.

  9. if you "collected" money... by steak · · Score: 1

    you could, gasp, pay for your own bandwidth.

    1. Re:if you "collected" money... by Deltree+Zero · · Score: 1

      The only ISP in town is Fairpoint and i get the maximum speed they provide here which is 180k down and 50k up so, I literally cannot pay for more bandwidth at this time. Hurk!

    2. Re: if you "collected" money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shockingly, you can have a server of your content located anywhere in the world, so your local ISP will only matter as to uploading content.

    3. Re:if you "collected" money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, so that's why you only make one show a month: it takes that long to upload it to Youtube. ;)

    4. Re:if you "collected" money... by Deltree+Zero · · Score: 1

      Hawhawhaw! Exactly! :)

  10. Bittorrent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's great for keeping the cost down when distributing large files, if you're willing to let distribution depend on more than just a web browser.

  11. Host on your own website, consider archive.org by jbn-o · · Score: 1

    You could host the multimedia files on your own website, which would let you move your domain and/or provider to an amenable ISP whenever needed while retaining the same URLs for your visitors. There are ISPs such as Dreamhost.com that will host email and websites and their accompanying data files at reasonable costs with lots of bandwidth should your show become popular. I don't work for them but I've worked with their hosting and found it to be reasonable.

    You could host files on archive.org (the Internet Archive) for no fee which will deliver files to all comers also gratis. I'm not aware of IA discriminating against people doing what you're doing.

    You could consider delivering pointers to your shows delivered cooperatively via BitTorrent with magnet URLs posted to popular BitTorrent-based sharing sites so the public can keep your shows downloadable even if you find hosting hard to come by.

    You could combine these ideas, they're not mutually exclusive. And I hope you'll consider distributing your multimedia in formats that favor free software such as WebM. Finally, be wary of any provider's changing terms of service should you start talking about something they someday consider important. Commercial organizations and nations don't have permanent friends, they have interests which change.

    1. Re:Host on your own website, consider archive.org by MoonlessNights · · Score: 1

      You could consider delivering pointers to your shows delivered cooperatively via BitTorrent with magnet URLs posted to popular BitTorrent-based sharing sites so the public can keep your shows downloadable even if you find hosting hard to come by.

      This touches on an interesting idea which I wonder if anyone has built: a video distribution system built on BitTorrent. It seems like a clever way of using the network strength instead of these monolithic companies storing and sending all the data, requiring massive resources. It seems like it could work as long as you had enough nodes (especially offering the first few blocks - improve quick-start behaviour) and it would scale with popularity of the channel: a channel could just provide an RSS feed including summary data and Magnet links (essentially borrowing a page from the podcast world).

      It seems like _someone_ must have built such a thing since the hard parts (BitTorrent network and Magnet queries) are already solved by the network. Is anyone aware of such a tool?

    2. Re:Host on your own website, consider archive.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did Azureas (sp?) do this or was their IPTV/VoD play only got video from a single server?

    3. Re:Host on your own website, consider archive.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This touches on an interesting idea which I wonder if anyone has built: a video distribution system built on BitTorrent.

      That sounds like Popcorn Time - video streaming from BitTorrent sources in a NetFlix-style interface.

  12. Bittorrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just put it on the Pirate Bay and other torrent sites. Possibly coupled with one of the services that let you stream torrents in the browser.

  13. Dave's not here man.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously - this stuff is medicinal...

  14. Try Bing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Give Bing a try. They have an interface for every platform.

  15. Livestream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Grab Procaster, and once your video is made, just stream it through that at high quality settings. You get the benefit of being able to engage a live audience for a while as it streams, and you can have a copy of the broadcast (minus the live chat) available for anyone else to review later on.

  16. If it ain't broke don't fix. it. by westlake · · Score: 1

    The population of Maine is 1.33 million.

    YouTube is the simplest and most reliable way of reaching your target audience and establishing the legitimacy of your project, assuming that the medical and not recreational uses of marijuana are your real concern.

    The geek will propose setting up a darknet, when the real need is for openness and exposure.

    1. Re:If it ain't broke don't fix. it. by Deltree+Zero · · Score: 1

      Thank you for the current state of Maine population update. Our goal is to make the show available to everyone worldwide. We happen to live in Maine, but our education does not focus on Maine law or only Maine medicinal cannabis. Recreational use is not a current issue we address on the show, but recreational use is already in effect in Portland Maine, and is expected to pass statewide very soon. Perhaps at that time we will go down that road. I am quite geeky but not enough to understand darknet biz, leading me to believe all my redneck friends will have no use for it.

  17. liveleak or dailymotion by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 1

    I also try and avoid google products. I found that the transcoding works best on liveleak and dailymotion. The other free video hosting providers seem not to be able to handle 1080p very well...

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    1. Re:liveleak or dailymotion by Deltree+Zero · · Score: 2

      I will have to take a look at Liveleak and Dailymotion. Thank you. :)

  18. Maybe Atheist TV? by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Maybe Atheist TV? http://atheists.org/AtheistTV

  19. Just use youtube by koan · · Score: 1

    Everyone knows Youtube, it's free, it allows unlimited bandwidth (unlike Vimeo) if you get enough subscribers you can alter the channel design fairly significantly.

    Everything else I have tried sucks, or cost, or limits.

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  20. OneLoad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    oneload.com
    Gives you access to any major platform. Check it out and choose one or more distribution points.

  21. Torrents, perhaps, in some cases. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could make the videos available as torrents. Not everyone is willing or able to use a torrent, and it doesn't help people to actually find them, but at least it's a cheap(ish) way to distribute video.

    A while ago I used a piece of software called Miro, which I think had some sort of directory of channels and content. (Indeed, I first came across Revision3 through it.) I suppose it's probably worth listing things there. There are probably other directories.

  22. Derp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go jerk off in your eye.

  23. Gnump3d or any webserver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Run your own web server (if your ISP allows & you have the bandwidth) by installing gnump3d. Despite the name, it serves up mp4 files via streaming just fine. Or just run a webserver and serve up the file for downloading.

  24. reach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    try filmon.com and gaiamtv.com , put it up on some documentary tubes, anything with an alexa ranking under 10k though I think porn sites have non-porn restrictions hehe. also put it on a torrent seedbox.
    My 2c