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Centimeter-Resolution GPS For Smartphones, VR, Drones

agent elevator writes: UT Austin engineers have come up with a software fix that corrects for the errors GPS has when using the tiny antennas on smartphones. They demoed it using a VR setup and got 2-cm accuracy. For now it runs on a separate processor from the smartphone, but they say they'll fix that. The demo appears to have been done on a rooftop. VR. Outside. On a roof. Doesn't seem like a good idea, does it?

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  1. I see what you did there by beschra · · Score: 2

    Put a question in the summary that only makes sense if you RTFA. Nice.

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    1. Re:I see what you did there by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Funny, I read it as "is it a good idea to walk around on a roof wearing a VR headset while showing off your fine-grained resolution GPS because you could fall off?"

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    2. Re:I see what you did there by Falos · · Score: 1

      Oh relax ya sissies, I'm sure the roof has waist-height guards, right?

      *loads up VR Mirror's Edge and/or Assassin's Creed*

  2. Precise tracking? Really? by AtariDatacenter · · Score: 1

    > They were also able to precisely track a virtual reality headset with the same precision.

    One does not "precisely track" a VR headset with two centimeter resolution. I'll guess that they continued to use the IMU tracking that is built into the Samsung Gear VR, and they used it to display the tracking of external objects that were measured with two centimeter resolution.

  3. Corrects multipath problem. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Informative

    The cell phone GPS antennae are tiny they catch the signal from the satellite and also many reflections. These reflections confuse the processor trying to fix the distance between itself and the satellite. They seem to have developed some signal processing algorithm that would remove these reflections. The article is skimpy on details.

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    1. Re: Corrects multipath problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does high enough flat roof solve the reflection problem?

    2. Re:Corrects multipath problem. by Gen-GNU · · Score: 4, Informative

      The link in the article, to here, gives a much better description of the SP algorithm. In fact, it's a much more informative article, but it doesn't have a picture of a guy with a cell phone strapped to his face.

    3. Re: Corrects multipath problem. by Gen-GNU · · Score: 1

      My first thought would be not entirely, although it would make life simpler. The signal will be seen directly, and from reflections from the ground (or in this case roof). You would limit the reflections from nearby walls, interruptions due to cover (like trees), etc. and the reflections would be fairly constant. It would not eliminate them, however.

    4. Re:Corrects multipath problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The key thing is that cm level positioning is only possible using differential techniques. You need a receiver at a fixed position and you then correlate the carrier phase measured by your mobile receiver to your fixed receiver. This is a technique known as carrier-phase differential positioning.

      The problem is that carrier phase techniques are extremely sensitive to signal degradation - particularly multi-path signals (reflections from the ground/buildings/etc.) The conventional "code phase" technique is, in contrast, reasonably resistant to such signal degradation.

      The problem then with carrier-phase techniques is that you need a good antenna. Traditionally, this technique has been restricted to survey grade equipment, in order to be able to track the phases accurately and resolve any ambiguities in the phase measurements (which can be huge in a multipath situation). This becomes much harder with lower quality patch antennas, and essentially impossible with a smartphone grade antenna (10 minute ambiguity resolution times using conventional techinques).

      The paper described a combination of 2 techniques: 1. attempting to resolve phase ambiguities for each individual pair of carriers (satellite signals), something previously reported and 2. adding small random wavelength scale motion to the antenna, which can then be correlated to the carrier phase residuals in order to speed ambiguity resolution. The authors present data showing that by using these techniques, the phase differential ambiguity can be resolved, even with a smartphone antenna, within 20 seconds.

    5. Re:Corrects multipath problem. by LeadSongDog · · Score: 1

      Not that complicated. The multipath signals always lag the direct path, so the DSSS correlation distinguishes them. First one in from each sat is the correct one.

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    6. Re:Corrects multipath problem. by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      From my understanding no cellphones that I am aware of have real GPS, but rather GPS "Assist".

      Which means that the cellphone doesn't really connect with any satellites whatsoever. They communicate with cell towers which are located at known GPS locations. GPS Assist is able to determine your location by communication with these towers at known locations to work out where it is. About the only thing that would improve that (apart from having real GPS), would be to improve the number of cell towers and maybe the latency in which they communicate with the phone. Which is something that is pretty integral to cellphones regardless of GPS.

    7. Re:Corrects multipath problem. by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      Most smartphones do have "real" GPS receivers in addition to Assisted GPS. How long it takes to get an initial GPS fix depends, in part, on how well the device can predict your location, as well as up-to-date knowledge of the satellite orbits; A-GPS takes advantage of cell tower data to provide an approximate starting point for the GPS and a faster way to download the orbital information and thus get a quicker fix. A GPS receiver is still necessary for a precise location, and my Nexus 5, to pick one example, can be set to enable A-GPS or to rely exclusively on the phone's internal GPS.

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  4. Propagation delay by jklovanc · · Score: 1

    One of the main error sources for GPS is the propagation delay of signals that go through the atmosphere. An antenna can be in the exact same location but report a different location from day to day. This error is usually eliminated using http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_GPS">Differential GPS.

    Differential Global Positioning System (DGPS) is an enhancement to Global Positioning System that provides improved location accuracy, from the 15-meter nominal GPS accuracy to about 10 cm in case of the best implementations.

    DGPS uses a network of fixed, ground-based reference stations to broadcast the difference between the positions indicated by the GPS (satellite) systems and the known fixed positions. These stations broadcast the difference between the measured satellite pseudoranges and actual (internally computed) pseudoranges, and receiver stations may correct their pseudoranges by the same amount. The digital correction signal is typically broadcast locally over ground-based transmitters of shorter range.

    I see no mention of using differential GPS in this system.

    1. Re:Propagation delay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, the GPS signals can be manipulated by the gov't at their discretion.

    2. Re:Propagation delay by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      As of quite a few years ago they only do that in war zones.

    3. Re:Propagation delay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Civilian now has access to the L2 frequency which is used to remove ionosphere delay. DGPS is not needed for atmospheric effect.

    4. Re:Propagation delay by afidel · · Score: 1

      Nope, SA is turned off even in war zones, in fact the newest birds don't even have the SA feature.

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    5. Re:Propagation delay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even without the government manipulating the signals (they did turn off selective availability years ago), you still need differential gps to get to 2cm accuracy. They could be getting differential information over the cell phone or internet on the phone.

    6. Re:Propagation delay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I understand that even the military GPS receivers use DGPS to achieve centimetre accuracy. Professional survey grade instruments are good to about 2m without a base station, so it is unlikely a phone is going to better that by 2 orders of magnitude. Possibly the article is meaning precision rather then accuracy (comparison of one position to the next, not to the real world).

    7. Re:Propagation delay by heypete · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nope, SA is turned off even in war zones, in fact the newest birds don't even have the SA feature.

      True, Selective Availability is disabled or otherwise not available on the new satellites, but the government still retains the ability to deny GPS on a regional basis.

      See :

      "Why are you turning [SA] off?
      A. The decision to end the degradation of civil accuracy on a global level was made by the President based on a Secretary of Defense recommendation coordinated with all applicable departments and agencies. This decision is based on the U.S. military commitment to develop and employ technologies to deny the civil services of GPS on a regional basis. Under this approach, it will be possible to deny GPS to potential adversaries in areas of operations while preserving the peaceful use of GPS services outside those areas"

      That said, civilian GPS receivers are often quite a bit better, more handy, and more advanced than military ones and a lot of soldiers use them in combat areas. Sure, the military ones are more rugged and get the encrypted military-only channel with better accuracy, but sub-meter accuracy is only really needed for smart bombs and the like. It's less useful for driving a Humvee down the street somewhere or finding out how to get back to base. Handheld civil GPS receivers are typically accurate down to the 3-5 meter range, which is only slightly worse than the military ones.

      Denying civil GPS signals in certain regions would almost certainly make things worse for US soldiers, so it's extremely unlikely that the military would ever do regional denial of civil GPS except in the most extreme situations. Even then it'd have limited effect because GLONASS (Russian), Compass (Chinese), and Galileo (EU) are or will soon be perfectly viable alternatives that bad guys could use for guidance.

    8. Re:Propagation delay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      alternatives that bad guys could use for guidance

      Define "bad guys".

    9. Re:Propagation delay by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "sub-meter accuracy is only really needed for smart bombs"

      What kind of "smart bombs" are you talking about that, if exploded a foot away from its target, miss the mark?

    10. Re:Propagation delay by chihowa · · Score: 1

      A foot? That's like a sixth of a womp rat! There's no way you'd make it that port with such crappy accuracy.

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    11. Re:Propagation delay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smart bombs that are advertised as capable of going down openings in a building, whether a chimney, access shaft, or a hole from a previous bomb (which can sometimes be rather small in reinforced construction).

    12. Re:Propagation delay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Americans.

    13. Re:Propagation delay by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Brown-skinned people who talk funny.

      Isn't that the official American definition ?

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    14. Re:Propagation delay by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      This is likely a RTK system which is a bit more advanced than DGPS. A lot of the hardware necessary for DGPS can also be used for RTK as both require a base/reference station. The difference is that DGPS assumes that the correction of the known reference station is also applicable to the roving station, RTK makes use of the L2 carrier phase data from the reference station and roving unit and will use that to correct for the atmospheric differences. In both cases you need to get data from the reference station in real time

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    15. Re:Propagation delay by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      It is not an arrow, it is a bloody bomb. 30 cm accuracy is good enough for explosives.

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    16. Re:Propagation delay by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      In both cases you need to get data from the reference station in real time

      I didn't see them mention a reference station at all.

    17. Re:Propagation delay by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      People who say they intend to make you obey their rules, and will kill you if you do not. Maybe even if you do, and don't actually believe. Mayby even kill you without asking if you will obey, just because of where you live.

      That's just one example.

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    18. Re:Propagation delay by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 2

      Well if it is on a smart phone having a data connection would allow the retrieval of the necessary data so it may be that who ever wrote the article isn't really aware of what is needed. Yes the antennas in phones suck, as do the GPS chipsets. Also whoever wrote the article doesn't' seem to know much about antennas as I use some very small but pretty good ones with nice uBlox LEA-6t module in my home built setup for RTK and they work great.

      I wonder, after carefully reading the article, if they are discussing getting 2cm resolution instead of 2cm accuracy since getting a better resolution would seem to be doable with a better antenna and nothing else. Also I don't believe any of the GPS modules in cellphones are capable of outputting L2 carrier phase data or raw pseudo range data which would be needed for RTK so at best they could do DGPS which is a lot less software intensive. Usually the giant dinner plate thing isn't the antenna but a shield that is meant to prevent most of the multipath problems. a piece of grounded sheet metal works just as well. On newer modules it is also handled in software but the shielding still makes things easier as it filters most of the reflected signals coming from below.

      Since the last time I posted about this stuff people wanted to know where to get one here is the discussion I found that got me pointed in the right direction.

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    19. Re:Propagation delay by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      So wait... you're declaring war on American police departments ?

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    20. Re:Propagation delay by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      No. But some of them appear to be declaring war on their citizens. In those instances, the citizens aren't declaring war, they are defending themselves.

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    21. Re:Propagation delay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The user interface on civilian GPS units is way better so unless you need to use the handy features for calling in artillery/airstrikes and interfacing with military radios for timing/position data tracking, the civvies are much nicer to have. Also maps on a DAGR are not something I would like to try useful navigation with.

  5. good test case. by Kaenneth · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, as long as you don't get closer than 2 centimeters from the edge.

    That would be a good test for a GPS product; have someone navigate a dangerous area blindfolded using it's directions.

    1. Re:good test case. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      (Steps over the edge)

      "Please make the next available safe U-turn."

    2. Re:good test case. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  6. Fuck yeah outside. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right now I'm marking POI in the woods with GPS. 6M accuracy means I'm either on the money or I've got to move my ass 6m~ in every direction to find that specific spot.

    No point marking it out in pretty colors to make it apparent to everybody else.

  7. Navspark RAW, Swiftnav, or Reach? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone have real experience with cm vertical precision from these products?

  8. this is a very good idea, actually by swschrad · · Score: 2

    there's no fudging the data if it's a fail this way.

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  9. Better absolute performance with WAAS? by davids-world.com · · Score: 1
    Such a demo makes sense because you compare the performance against a control (without the software fix). Real-life improvement and absolute performance are simply a different, farther-reaching question.

    The other important thing to note here is how well this could perform in combination with the wide-area augmentation system (WAAS), which corrects for atmospheric variation of signal travel time by using information the is generated by ground stations and broadcast by the satellites. WAAS isn't included in standard cheap GPS receivers, but can be had for little money, starting from $100 GPS receivers (and mandatory for certain aviation applications, for example).

    Or the 2cm figure already include the use of WAAS?

    1. Re:Better absolute performance with WAAS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is a differential system. It consists of a mobile receiver, and a fixed receiver close by, which is at a precisely known position. The signals from the mobile and reference receiver are then compared and corrections can be applied.

      A crude differential system can get resolution down to about 1 meter. Space based augmentation systems (for example WAAS) are unable to transmit precise location specific correction information, so only track gross large scale errors.

      For cm precision, you need to use a differential system which is able to track the phase angles of the 1.6 GHz carrier signals from each of the satellites, and then compute the phase shifts between the reference and mobile receivers - this is a challenging problem, because the wavelength is only a few cm, and therefore the phase shifts between reference and mobile receivers may be millions of degrees, but phase angle is inherently a "modulo 360" system, requiring complex processing to adequately recover the "unwrapped" phase.

      Conventional processing algorithms for carrier phase differential GPS are exceedingly sensitive to phase noise, as might be introduced through multi-path reflections, where a satellite signal reflects off the ground or a near-by structure, which when summed with the direct signal at the antenna results in the detection of a phase shift somewhere between the two shifts. Traditionally, they have been restricted to the use of survey grade large-aperture antennas with highly isotropic gain above a precisely specified angle of elevation, because this design of antenna tends to be relatively resistant to multipath effects.

      By contrast, smartphone antennas have no low elevation cutoff, and therefore are highly sensitive to ground reflections. In addition, the anisotropic gain can lead to random phase shifts in the presence of stable (fixed) multipath, which can prevent the carrier phase unwinding algorithm from converging on a solution.

      In this paper, the authors present some new techniques (1 alogrithmic improvement, and 1 technique which involves moving the antenna in a random pattern, and using correlations with that pattern to assist in convergence of the phase detection) which permit convergence of a carrier phase differential position, even in the presence of a poor quality antenna.

    2. Re:Better absolute performance with WAAS? by LeadSongDog · · Score: 1

      It *IS* a cell phone, so there are normally at least 3 nearby fixed reference stations in local communication with the handset, no? All of those provide GPS-disciplined time signals. The only question is whether they actually provide reference offsets. They certainly could, if the software were present.

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    3. Re:Better absolute performance with WAAS? by davids-world.com · · Score: 1

      Super interesting. Thank you.

    4. Re:Better absolute performance with WAAS? by davids-world.com · · Score: 1

      I believe they're doing that already (A-GPS) and that's used by cellphones (sometimes triangulation of towers works crudely when GPS doesn't). But that's an augmentation system not unlike WAAS, and what the anonymous expert above explained is very different (A-GPS can't deal with signal reflections off objects, and that's logical).

    5. Re:Better absolute performance with WAAS? by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Actually, where I live (Phoenix area) it is not uncommon to find only one fixed reference station (cell tower) connected to my phone.

      T-Mobile begs me to turn on WiFi scanning to permit improved accuracy. WiFi is a nuisance on my phone, as I'm around at least 3 networks daily that all ask me to log on, and if I don't I miss email, texts, and updates. A nasty little feature of how Android handles secured WiFi.

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  10. Nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    if you are on a rooftop.

    I have made my diploma in geodesy and if it would be so easy to get 2 cm with smartphone everywhere then it would be rolled out already. What they are showing is known and realized for like 6 years already, so nothing new. The positions problems will still persist on street level where like 99% of all peoples move and cars drive? The problem is not the antenna its the signal interruptions and multi-path reflections you have on the streets that you cannot simply fix with software as the amount of unique signals is limited.

    It will actually be fixed by more satellites integrated into one software equalization equation and different signal modulation.
    The first is taken care of by the GPS race between all superpowers entangled in it. By 2018 we will have around ~100 GP(S) Satellites in stationary or modular orbits. The only limiting factor here is the software of vendors which has to align and process the public signals GLONASS (RU), GALILEO (EU), GPS (US), BEIDU (CHINA), Indian and Japan signals. Which no one does atm, it is done at university level (for instance german TU Dresden).

    The second one could improve position but just if all countries involved in GPS development and evolution would work together but actually they are not. Instead they compete for the frequencies ...very retarded game but that's another story.

    What people need to understand is that most position software out there barely manage to get a better position out of GPS + GLONASS. There is nearly non that handles the four major systems because even these systems have, based on different earth models, different results for the same position.

    1. Re:Nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Certainly the antenna has also significant effects. If you connect a smartphone chip antenna to a survey grade receiver the performance will not be very good.

      Of course, with interruptions from buildings its game over.

  11. The actual paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    https://radionavlab.ae.utexas.edu/images/stories/files/papers/ion2014Pesyna.pdf

  12. Yippee by Catbeller · · Score: 2

    We can be tracked with decimeter precision. Yay. I'm sure it won't be used against us. Carry on.

    1. Re:Yippee by LeadSongDog · · Score: 2

      Nobody's making you carry that cell phone.

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  13. Think of the children by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... and got 2-cm accuracy ...

    Won't someone pleeeaaase think of the children? Terrorists will use this to precisely place their mobile bombs. Bank-robbers will use this to attack gold repositories (see 'Die hard with a vengeance' and 'Stolen'). Once the sex dolls are invented, horny children will use this for cyber-sex. This technology must be banned immediately.

    1. Re:Think of the children by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm thinking of the children. Mmm, chiiildreeeennn. Shit, I just creamed my pants.

  14. how about the US DoD stop nerfing GPS? by ihtoit · · Score: 0

    That would bring immediate improvements to GPS accuracy, which was initially intended as a remote terrain guidance system for nuclear tipped cruise missiles and submarine launched ICBMs.

    (Yes, I know that then-President Clinton issued a directive to abolish Selective Availability in 2000, but that doesn't go anywhere near explaining why the average handheld still can't get better than twelve feet horizontal accuracy when a cruise missile can use GPS - travelling at 500mph - to pilot itself in through a particular window on a particular building).

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    1. Re:how about the US DoD stop nerfing GPS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that doesn't go anywhere near explaining why the average handheld still can't get better than twelve feet horizontal accuracy when a cruise missile can use GPS - travelling at 500mph - to pilot itself in through a particular window on a particular building).

      Smart bombs that can pilot "through windows" and down chimneys use more than just GPS when determining where to hit the target. You can get centimeter or better measurements already in the past with equipment more expensive than a phone. Accuracy to mm units have already been in use for years to measure geological plate movement.

    2. Re:how about the US DoD stop nerfing GPS? by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      What do you mean? The L1 signal is no longer randomized but the L2 is still encrypted for military use. However the L2 phase data can still be used it just takes more processing to align it but if the data wasn't encrypted it would be trivial to align which is what military GPS units do.

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  15. The secret is strictly the software. by chasm22 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They use RTK technology. It doesn't rely on the same data as GPS or dGPS. It isn't new techology. And it wouldn't matter if the DOD screwed with the dGPS signal.

    What is new is just what the article talked about. They have found a way, through 6 years of developing the software, to use a cheap antennae to capture signals. Prior to the software development, cheap antennae couldn't be used because they allowed for too much signal degradation. Their solution is their software, which they have apparently perfected to the point where it can recognize and correct or mistakes caused by the antennae.

    My understanding of RTK is that it isn't useful for navigation, but is very useful and accurate in obtaining your position(while not moving) This is because it relies on a base station in addition to the other receiver.

    1. Re:The secret is strictly the software. by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Well not entirely. It can be used for navigation but it requires actively communicating with a base station or set of base stations and getting their raw pseudo range data as well as the L2 carrier phase data. From there with some fancy processing and enough compute power you can basically get real-time position accuracy. There is a set of open source programs and libraries that can provide the software necessary. Also if you don't want to setup your own base station there may be one nearby or a set that can be used to create a pseudo station provided either by the state or federal government. I have played around with RTK both with my own base station and using a nearby one (1.5 miles) and the results can give you 2cm resolution in real time with something like a RPi doing the processing. I can't find it at the moment but I remember reading that the buses in the Twin Cities metro area make use of the MN CORS network to accurately track lanes when they are driving down the shoulder.

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  16. Centimeter-Resolution GPS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Centimeter-Resolution GPS For Smartphones, VR, Drones

    and for tracking you!

  17. You nit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    UT Austin engineers have come up with a software fix that corrects for the errors GPS has when using the tiny antennas on smartphones. They demoed it using a VR setup and got 2-cm accuracy.

    Confused multiple test results there, didn't ya? The 2-cm results were achieved when they used a separate GPS antenna (not a smartphone GPS) stuck on top of the Samsung Gear in all the photos. The quality of antenna in that little black box is at least an order of magnitude better than those in typical smartphones.

  18. Only solving half the cost issue by lordlod · · Score: 2

    Part of the problem that isn't addressed in the summary is that to have a cm accurate position you also need to have an oscillator that is accurate in the tens of picoseconds range.

    From the article:
    > The clock attached to the external front-end was an oven-controlled crystal oscillator (OCXO), which has much greater stability than the low-cost oscillators used to drive GNSS signal sampling within smartphones.

    An OCXO is far more expensive than a smartphone manufacturer will happily absorb (~$30). It is also constantly heating the crystal so your battery life gets thrown out the window too.

    GPS manufacturers very carefully select their cheaper TCXO chips in order to get nanosecond accuracy. Special tricks are used to get sufficient DAC resolution on the voltage control in order to steer them to the correct level. I have been out of the industry for several years but I would be shocked if there has been a 100x improvement in quality without hearing anything about it.

  19. SAA by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    GPS Assist in cellphones use cell towers not satellites. Cell towers are in known GPS locations. Cell towers don't move. The US government can turn onSA all they wan't, and it won't any difference to a cellphone based GPS device. Unless of course they have the cell towers constantly updating their locations, which would be dumb, as I said they don't move.