Interactive Map Exposes the World's Most Murderous Places

Lashdots writes with this selection from a Fast Company story: In 2012, 437,000 people were killed worldwide, yielding a global average murder rate of 6.2 per 100,000 inhabitants. A third of those homicides occurred in Latin America and the Caribbean, home to just 8% of the world's population. But data on violent death can be difficult to obtain, since governments are often reluctant to share their homicide statistics. What data is available is sometimes inconsistent and inconclusive. Adds Lashdots: To make this data clear and to better address the problem of global homicide, a new open-source visualization tool, the Homicide Monitor, tracks the total number of murders and murder rates per country, broken down by gender, age and, where the data is available, the type of weapon used, including firearms, sharp weapons, blunt weapons, poisoning, and others. For the most violent region in the world, the 40 countries in Latin America and the Caribbean, you can also see statistics by state and city. That geographic specificity helps to underscore an important point about murders, says Robert Muggah, the research director and program coordinator for Citizen Security at the Rio de Janeiro-based Igarapé Institute, in the above-lined story: "In most cities, the vast majority of violence takes place on just a few street corners, at certain times of the day, and among specific people."

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How useful is this?

[Anonymous Coward]

Drug trafficking, gang wars, political instability, corruption, and poverty combine to cause the region's elevated violence.

The council's ranking includes cities with a population of more than 300,000 and doesn't count deaths in combat zones or cities with unavailable data, so some dangerous cities might not be represented on the list.

Do I need a map to tell me that any city that has the above listed problems are very likely to have high crime rates including homicide? What I'd really like to know are the homicide rates of cities that have political stability, a well-funded police force, and relatively low rates of gang activity, drug use, corruption, and poverty. IOW, I want to know the cities where people just seem to resort to killing one another outside of the usual causes already listed. Also, are there any cities that have all of the above listed problems that don't have high homicide rates? And if there are, how come they don't?

Re:How useful is this?

[BarbaraHudson]

Surprise - Greenland doesn't come to mind, but it is listed as almost 2x the murder rate of Russia. It's the suicide capital of the world.

Re:How useful is this?

[tomhath]

Many Arctic communities have high murder and suicide rates. Also very high rates of depression and alcoholism.

Re:How useful is this?

[BarbaraHudson]

True, but Greenland is for the entire nation.

Re:How useful is this?

[Gavagai80]

The entire nation of Greenland is a small community (about 50,000 people).

Depends how it's counted.

[Anonymous Coward]

If a gang kills 6 rival gang members in one incident, does it count as 6 murders or 1? I'd argue that such a place would actually be "safer" than having 6 independent murders taking place.

Same goes for terrorism. If a bomb goes off killing a dozen, is it "murder" is does it fall under another category?

Also, access to emergency healthcare is a HUGE factor. If you get stabbed in the middle of nowhere, you're a goner, if you get stabbed next to a hospital (most major western cities) and care gets to you while you're still breathing, there's a pretty good chance you'll live. So lower homicide rate doesn't tell you much about the rate of such incidents.

Re:Depends how it's counted.

[Anonymous Coward]

Do the statistics count that time I flipped off the Ballas on Grove Street and high-tailed it three blocks over to the Davis Police Station, let the cops murder all the Ballas that were chasing/shooting at me, and then limped around the corner to the Central Los Santos Medical Center?

Re:Depends how it's counted.

[Anonymous Coward]

No, but they counted the 4 hookers you ran over during that three block spree.

Re:Depends how it's counted.

[eric_harris_76]

When Ronald Regan got shot, it was in an inner-city area where the nearest hospital had lots of experience with gunshot wounds. That probably made all the difference for him.

Had he been in the suburbs or Hyannisport , it might have ended much differently.

Re:Depends how it's counted.

[StikyPad]

If a gang kills 6 rival gang members in one incident, does it count as 6 murders or 1? I'd argue that such a place would actually be "safer" than having 6 independent murders taking place.

And how exactly would you argue that? Please show me one place where gang violence is the dominant contributor to the death rate that's an otherwise great place to live.

Re: Depends how it's counted.

[Anonymous Coward]

It's counted as 6 murders, dumbfuck.

Seriously? This was Insightful to the /. community?

US South

[Anonymous Coward]

Look at the homicide rate in the US South.

So much for theory of gun states having less crime.

Re:US South

[lister king of smeg]

Look at the homicide rate in the US South.

So much for theory of gun states having less crime.

Alternate theory inbreeding leads to increased violence.

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

Of the 50 cities with the most murders, the U.S. is the only first world country with cities on the list.

#28 - New Orleans - 39.61 homicides per 100,000 residents

#22 - Detroit - 44.87 homicides per 100,000 residents

#19 - St. Louis - 49.93 homicides per 100,000 residents

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

Looks like it.

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

Gee whiz Mr Wizard, what do those cities have in common?

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

Look at the homicide rate in the US South.

So much for theory of gun states having less crime.

Yeah, that explains why Baltimore - in one of the US states with the strongest regulations on gun ownership - is one of the most murderous cities in the world.

Guns don't commit crimes.

Thugs do.

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

Gee whiz Mr Wizard, what do those cities have in common?

1. Lots of blacks.
2. Run by Democrats - for decades.

Next question?

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

The U.S. is the only country what? I have no idea what you want to imply by making racial profiles whereas violent crime has obviously socioeconomic roots, but you are factually incorrect.

The U.S. did indeed traffick a sizeable amount of enslaved blacks out of Africa, but it is not even close to being the largest population or proportion of blacks out of Africa. That would most likely be Brazil.

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

And then you realize that those cities aren't sovereign entities, but subject to the influences of state and federal governments that have done what over the past few decades? Encourage jobs to be outsourced? Siphoned money and productivity off to who knows where? Allowed bankers to get away with outright defrauding the civic governments?

Oh goodness, but that would take more examination than just blaming it on simpler correlations and ignoring actual causation.

They didn't fix the problem, therefore, they are the problem.

No more thinking needed!

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

That might explain why the murder rate is so high in Brazil. "In most cities, the vast majority of violence takes place on just a few street corners, at certain times of the day, and AMONG SPECIFIC PEOPLE."

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

The same correlation can be made with poverty. And black people are in particular poor. The same can be said about other groups as well. Turning this into a race issue is non-sense. It just shows your prejudices. To reduce crime you need to reduce poverty and injustice. An excess in punishment and restraint does not lead to a safer society. Legalize drugs, eliminate laws that give cops a free ride to trample over individuals rights, institute meaningful educational reforms, and ensure people gain equal access to economic opportunities, etc. If you make it difficult to get employment (lack of education, let criminal records follow job applicants, etc) or start businesses (make it difficult to get credit, make it difficult to start a business through excess regulation only large businesses can reasonably comply with, etc) then the system will have high rates of crime. It's not specifically a matter of socialism that can solve these issues. In fact its likely the opposite. Regulation for large companies and particularly those who have monopolies makes sense. Regulating smaller players in the market doesn't.

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

People of African descent are not mindless killers!

Re:US South

[cavreader]

There are already laws that govern police behavior. Just because the police may break those laws does not mean we need more laws. And companies also have a whole list of laws and regulations they must adhere to and just because a company may break those laws doesn't mean more laws are needed. And everyone should have equal opportunities but there are some who willfully fail to take advantage of those opportunities. No matter what reforms are handed down by the national or local governments the ultimate responsibility is on the individual and trying to shift the responsibility on to someone else will not help anything.

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

YES! There is a white peoples conspiracy to keep the conomy from tickling down to negro-city. It's the damn white peoples that invented crack cocaine and rape music after all. Everything is the fault of white peoples.

Re:US South

[antiperimetaparalogo]

Better than an alternate theory is actual facts: In the U.S. [...]

I agree with you Sir, so i post some official FACTS that support your comment:

2012 Arrests by Race, Black, percent distribution: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter (49.4%), forcible rape (32.5%), robbery (54.9%); Census Population by Race, Black: 13.2%.

source: FBI http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cj... - census http://quickfacts.census.gov/q...

Re:US South

[easyTree]

That might explain why the murder rate is so high in Brazil. "In most cities, the vast majority of violence takes place on just a few street corners, at certain times of the day, and AMONG SPECIFIC PEOPLE."

Every year, Brazil hosts the world donut festival which attracts significant numbers of American pOlice officers. Shootings of black people from behind increase according to the inverse square law - by diminishing distance from the closest donut eatery.

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

Thug is the new alternative for Nigger. Yes, there are a non trivial fraction of thugs who are white. It's most certainly more indicative of a low income economy matched with a failed community social structure, that happens to include a disproportionate number of darker skinned residents. That rationalization, alone, is why the term has become popularized. Just because it's more defensible, not because it's a more PC version of issues that have been recognized for generations.

Re:US South

[ganjadude]

again. look at the people who run the cities. Look at baltimore, democrat run for over 50 years. and look at what happened there.

Re:US South

[ganjadude]

no...its.... not.... Repeating it over and over in no way will make that to be true

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

I thought the new alternative(s) word(s) for nigger(s) were "teen", "teenager", "youth", "flash mob", "shady", "sketchy", "ratchet", "former gang member", "gentle giant", "pimp", "boiled his girlfriend/wife's child in a pot of boiling water", "aspiring rapper", "trying to get his life back together", and of course, African-Americans just LOVE to call each other "nigger".

What's interesting is that none of this vocabulary came from chimpout.com. You can't blame them for inventing the latin word for black.

Re:US South

[Applehu Akbar]

Yessiree! Dyslexic human traffickers who never had to suffer back pain or stiff muscles, but were total failures at growing cotton.

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

And naturally they are the only cities subject to this outside influence because every other city in the U.S. is not subject to the influence of state and federal governments. No, well then these outside influences can be safely ignored, because if they were the primary reason for the high murder rates then all U.S. cities would be so effected. Since they are not these are not significant factors in this level of homicides.

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

Because the "regulations" don't go far enough. There is a reason why Bloomberg and Soros are philanthropists, spending money to reign in the stupidity of unregulated firearm ownership when it comes to the US. The US needs reasonable gun control laws, as in own a gun, go to jail.

Take Australia and Venezuela, the data after 2012 isn't there, but if you check recent statistics, both passed gun control laws banning non-military/non-police ownership of guns.

Venezuela's gun crime rate is 1/1000 of what that data shows in 2012. Australia's is a fraction of what it was before the handover.

So, the truth is real. More guns, the more dead children. Perhaps it is time for having the guts to do like NYC, making it the most crime-free city in the US by their handgun ban?

Re:US South

[ganjadude]

if you think they are philanthropists for altruistic reasons, i got this bridge for sale....

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

It is statistically a fact that in the U.S. a black person is roughly 7 times more likely to commit murder than a white person (about 7 thousands of a percent vs. 1 thousandth of a percent): http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cj... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D... The problem with this statistic is that it ties violent crime to race without properly normalizing for income inequality. Efforts to do this have seen mixed results: http://blogs.channel4.com/fact... The only thing that is certain is that poverty and neighborhood conditions are directly and unequivocally linked to major crime. It is pretty clear that promoting education and opportunity is vastly more effective at reducing crime and violence than targeting race.

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

Look at the homicide rate in the US South.

So much for theory of gun states having less crime.

Alternate theory inbreeding leads to increased violence.

Better than an alternate theory is actual facts: In the U.S., the cities with the largest population of blacks have the most crime and the cities with the lowest number of blacks have the least amount of crime. This is a fact and there is not one single exception to this.

People often compare the U.S. to the rest of the world and claim that the U.S. has more people in prison than anywhere else, and but conveniently fail to mention that the U.S. is the only country (outside of the African continent) with a large population of blacks.

Hold that thought, by that narrative the top 20 violent and murderous countries should be all african countries.

Re:US South

[circletimessquare]

poverty and corruption track with homicides worldwide. not skin color you racist moron

it's kind of ironic, but it requires intellectual inferiority to believe in a theory of superiority via skin color

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

For that, you have to assume that all cities and their population have had the same impact on them by those government actions. This isn't too likely on those factors solely on the federal level, but impossible on the state level since those are way too diverse.

And even then, you can't ignore the consideration that municipal governments are not sovereign. They may not be capable of taking actions even if they know what the best choices are. They are subject to a lot of outside influences and controls.

Not every mayor is the Mayor of Albuquerque. He can make the Dallas Cowboys play baseball if he wants. The rest? Not so much.

But I get it, you want to blame the local community, after all, it MUST be their fault. Nothing else could be happening in the world.

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh goodness, but that would take more examination than just blaming it on simpler correlations and ignoring actual causation.

Goodness gracious! And what "actual causation" would that be? And I mean actual as in PROVABLY correct, and not just rhetorical hand-waving.

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

Hold that thought, by that narrative the top 20 violent and murderous countries should be all african countries.

YOU hold that thought, genius:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country

Re: US South

[Anonymous Coward]

Did you fail to read the sentence?

Municipal governments are not sovereign. They have limited capacity to act, to tax, and to manage a lot of things.

Some cities can't even ban fracking.

Re:US South

[John.Banister]

That list is alphabetical. When you look at the rate, none of the African counties comes close to Venezuela or Honduras.

Re:US South

[dasunt]

So much for theory of gun states having less crime.

When I looked at the estimated per-capita gun ownership rates by state, and the per-capita homicide rates per state, I didn't find a clear correlation.

Interestingly, it does appear that states with a higher gun homicide rates also have a correlation with higher non-gun homicide rates.

Re:US South

[myowntrueself]

It is statistically a fact that in the U.S. a black person is roughly 7 times more likely to commit murder than a white person (about 7 thousands of a percent vs. 1 thousandth of a percent):
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cj...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...

The problem with this statistic is that it ties violent crime to race without properly normalizing for income inequality. Efforts to do this have seen mixed results: http://blogs.channel4.com/fact...

The only thing that is certain is that poverty and neighborhood conditions are directly and unequivocally linked to major crime. It is pretty clear that promoting education and opportunity is vastly more effective at reducing crime and violence than targeting race.

If you normalised for income, wouldn't the stats then say that poor black people are much more likely to murder than poor white or asian people?

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

2012 Arrests by Race, Black, percent distribution: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter (49.4%), forcible rape (32.5%), robbery (54.9%); Census Population by Race, Black: 13.2%.

When people are treated as second-class citizens, that's the sort of thing that happens.

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

So why doesn't Israel have a high homicide rate?

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

It seems you didn't look at the first sentence, so let me repeat it again for you,

And then you realize that those cities aren't sovereign entities, but subject to the influences of state and federal governments that have done what over the past few decades?

Or I suppose we could pretend those cities are sovereign governments, and not circumscribed by many external influences, but why? If we did that, we might as well blame Batman. He still can't fix all the crime in Gotham City.

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

poverty and corruption track with homicides worldwide. not skin color you racist moron

it's kind of ironic, but it requires intellectual inferiority to believe in a theory of superiority via skin color

That must be why the 24% of the 54 million Hispanics who live below the poverty line in the US commit over half the violent crime.

No, wait.

That would be the 27% of the 40 million or so blacks who live below the poverty line in the US who commit over half the violent crimes.

So, let's see...

There are more Hispanics living below the poverty line in the US (12 million) than there are blacks (10 million). Hell, there are almost twice as many WHITES living in poverty in the US (19 million) than there are blacks (10 million).

Yet blacks commit over half of all violent crime. But only make up 20% or so of those living in poverty...

Think that might be because when a 300-lb HISPANIC thug beats up a convenience store clerk while committing a robbery and then gets his ass shot assaulting a police officer, the Hispanics don't go and burn down their own damn neighborhood?

Yeah, it must be Whitey that made Michael Brown into a thug.

Dumbasses like you who cry "RAAAACIST!!!" at everything are going to have a problem when the media stops portraying BLACK 300-lb thugs who rob stores, beating up people in the process, and then get shot assaulting police as "innocent teens".

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

poverty and corruption track with homicides worldwide. not skin color you racist moron

it's kind of ironic, but it requires intellectual inferiority to believe in a theory of superiority via skin color

Whatever.

When one ethnic group creates, perpetuates and celebrates a shitty culture that keeps them in poverty, keeps them dumb and uneducated, keeps them in prison and keeps them breeding bastards that don't know who their fathers are (or care) then it's not entirely unfair to blame the ethnicity for their culture.

Being black, and being though of as a criminal because of it is a SELF INFLICTED cultural phenomena. When that stops, what you perceive as racism (using blanket statements) will stop. You are confusing the short-hand used to talk about the problem with the problem. Ask a real African from Africa about what they think of american blacks. Ask that black family in the nice house and the nice job. You'll either get silence, or a shake of the head and a sigh or a rant, because they all know the truth too.

Re:US South

[guruevi]

No it's not. There are second rate citizens all over the world, refugees in Europe for example or Tibetans in China.

Although poverty has some influence on 'petty' criminality such as theft and drug use, education levels and religion are the main correlation in assault and rape crimes.

Given that in urban US there are many that are anti-education and pro-religion, the cycle will repeat itself.

Re:US South

[Dog-Cow]

Detroit killed itself. It did not need, and indeed did not want, help from anyone else, including its own suburbs.

Re: US South

[Dog-Cow]

Detroit, to my knowledge, is the only city in MI with its own income tax.

Re:US South

[Dog-Cow]

Funny. I see teens and young twenty-somethings carrying semi-automatic weapons everywhere. On the streets, in the mall, on buses and trains. Even occasionally in synagogues. Yet, somehow, Israel is not particularly high on the list of murder statistics. Perhaps guns themselves have little to do with it?

Re:US South

[Hognoxious]

While some members of the British government may have had leanings towards the South, in practical terms Britain stayed very neutral.

Some industrial workers even threatened to boycott Confederate cotton, even while their bosses were lobbying for the Royal Navy to break the blockade.

Re:US South

[j-beda]

So much for theory of gun states having less crime.

When I looked at the estimated per-capita gun ownership rates by state, and the per-capita homicide rates per state, I didn't find a clear correlation.

Interestingly, it does appear that states with a higher gun homicide rates also have a correlation with higher non-gun homicide rates.

I think that there is a pretty strong correlation between a "culture of honor" and interpersonal violence. The social norms that insist on retribution and payback for transgressions, outside the pervue of established law inforcement can also contribute.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Re: US South

[Anonymous Coward]

Of course it's not their fault they pick up a gun and murder someone, it's society's failing. Please.....

Re: US South

[Anonymous Coward]

I assume that you are trying to make a point of some kind by constantly repeating yourself. You apparently fail to realize that those cities are no different than any other city with respect to the applicable rules and regs from the state and fed.

Re: US South

[Anonymous Coward]

http://www.michigan.gov/taxes/0,4676,7-238-43715-153955--F,00.html

Your knowledge would appear to be incomplete then. There's at least half a dozen there.

Of course, all such is done with the express authority of the state.

The City Income Tax Act, Act No. 284 of the Public Acts of 1964 as amended.

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(tlhvmec5kkosclh2hp0fo2fn))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-act-284-of-1964

So yes, that is an example of how the state is determining what a city can do. Thanks, I guess.

Or were you trying to make some point about the tax policy not being able to fix everything? Well, duh, why would you bother? Nobody was even suggesting that the only solution was taxes. I was merely pointing out that that, among other fundamental mechanisms were outside of the city's sovereign control.

Re: US South

[Anonymous Coward]

People keep replying to me, saying the same things, so I reply to them, saying what I already said, and the conversation fails to advance.

For example, your reply, already addressed, just short of 20 hours ago:

For that, you have to assume that all cities and their population have had the same impact on them by those government actions. This isn't too likely on those factors solely on the federal level, but impossible on the state level since those are way too diverse.

And even then, you can't ignore the consideration that municipal governments are not sovereign. They may not be capable of taking actions even if they know what the best choices are. They are subject to a lot of outside influences and controls.

Can you tell me why you think all cities must be so situated react the same way to state or federal action? It's not even fair to pretend that either entity would act the same across the whole country. Just the fact that one military base can be closed, while another is kept open, can put the lie to that one.

Or we can just chalk it up to race or local politics, and walk away.

Wait a second, maybe that is a bad idea:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/10/1383361/-Three-fingers-are-pointing-back-at-delusional-conservatives?showAll=yes

Re:US South

[ULTROS]

Democrats killed Detroit via Unions out pricing cars for the world market. Higher wages means higher product price.

Re:US South

[ULTROS]

Try looking at the non homicide crime rate. It drops dramatically when legal owners have guns. Especially rape and muggings.

Re:US South

[Anonymous Coward]

Good question, and that will be difficult to determine, since we have to establish what has happened first.

So at the least, we'll need a starting point. Where do you want to begin?

Re:US South

[dave420]

In your rush to blame black people, you completely ignored the fact that black people are far more likely to be poor, and it's poor people who commit crimes. Ignoring the white poor people who are just as criminal in their behaviour speaks volumes about your real intent in making that point.

Re:US South

[dave420]

So you are so desperate to attack black people you don't mind showing everyone your complete lack of understanding of cause and effect. Brilliant. Why should anyone pay any attention to your hate-filled drivel when you can't even be bothered to understand the subject at hand?

Re:US South

[dave420]

Elucidate, please.

Doesn't feature

[Anonymous Coward]

Alderaan.

"governments are often reluctant to share"

[rockout]

Or, in the case of many regions (parts of Africa or the Middle East spring to mind) there's often no government presence whatsoever in areas where there's a whole lot of killin' going on.

Knowing where the crime is happening

[SmaryJerry]

"In most cities, the vast majority of violence takes place on just a few street corners, at certain times of the day, and among specific people." This literally sounds like the easiest policing job ever if they know all this...

Re:Knowing where the crime is happening

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh, but that could be construed as racial profiling. Can't have that.

Re:Knowing where the crime is happening

[Black Parrot]

"In most cities, the vast majority of violence takes place on just a few street corners, at certain times of the day, and among specific people."

This literally sounds like the easiest policing job ever if they know all this...

Better yet, some tech-savvy entrepreneur could use the data to make a tour guide, so you could go see people kill each other in quaint places. Kind of like eco-tourism... nature red in tooth, claw, switchblade, and machinegun.

Re:Knowing where the crime is happening

[Anonymous Coward]

Go on an African safari, just down the street in the ghetto!

Re:Knowing where the crime is happening

[nospam007]

""In most cities, the vast majority of violence takes place on just a few street corners, at certain times of the day, and among specific people."

'This literally sounds like the easiest policing job ever if they know all this...'

Exactly. Just round the corners and off you go.

Re:Knowing where the crime is happening

[Anonymous Coward]

It is very well known fact that in Finland the people who kill each other are usually white, male and drunk. And by drunk I don't only mean their condition during the event, but these are the people who have problems with alcohol and money. Quite often the killing happens because of ridiculous reasons that would not make people kill each other if they were not drunk.

But what can the police do? They have not done anything wrong until they do it. And actually I doubt that people really care much about drunk people killing each other.

Re:Knowing where the crime is happening

[Anonymous Coward]

Need more signage. "Homicide Zone" in 4 or 5 languages

Re:Knowing where the crime is happening

[rtb61]

Not so much people but environmental conditions, the more lax the environmental laws the worse the problem and it seems it is substantially related to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.... It is becoming apparent that no amount was safe https://www.nhmrc.gov.au/healt... as further studies are indicating.

In fact if you look at the whole pseudo conservative pseudo Christian revival (people who claim to be something they behave nothing like) it is all likely tied to lead poisoning (pay close attention to the dominant average age in this group and thus the toxic lead polluted environment of their youth). They behave like brain damaged idiots because well, to be blunt, they are people suffering from the toxic effects of lead poisoning "No safe blood lead level has been identified" http://www.cdc.gov/biomonitori....

The reason higher intellect people seem to have escaped the problem, well, not you didn't, you just had capacity to spare and simply failed to achieve what you might have achieved but still remained socially democratic and more community minded (down the other end of the IQ scale, even a little damage can do a lot of harm).

Re:Knowing where the crime is happening

[Anonymous Coward]

"specific people" have nothing to do with race. It simply means that most murderers and victims are both criminals

Re:Knowing where the crime is happening

[Anonymous Coward]

"In most cities, the vast majority of violence takes place on just a few street corners, at certain times of the day, and among specific people."

This literally sounds like the easiest policing job ever if they know all this...

And if it just happened to turn out that a majority of those "specific people" were, ahhh, ethnic, you would then be morally obliged (or politically obliged...same thing!!) to do nothing "inciteful" about it. Sounds familiar.

Re:Knowing where the crime is happening

[RespekMyAthorati]

So to lower the murder rate, install more roundabouts.

Government intrusion into people's lives

[Anonymous Coward]

Strangely, that murder map correlates quite nicely to areas of the world with the weakest governments. What say you, libertards?

Honduran Gun Control Laws.

[kenai_alpenglow]

Honduras (#1 city) requires each firearm to be licensed (& renewed every 4 years). Can only have 5 firearms, each must be registered (including ballistics info). Only allowed on private property, not carried in public. Automatic & "Assault" weapons are prohibited. Must be purchased from "La Armeria" (govt run). Sounds like what gun control folks dream about. Obviously it works...

Re:Honduran Gun Control Laws.

[kenai_alpenglow]

Also, what the heck is the tech connection here?

Re:Honduran Gun Control Laws.

[Anonymous Coward]

1) Honduras is a country.
2) Honduras was at the top of the murder list long before they enacted the gun control laws you mention.
3) Honduras has one of the weakest, most corrupt governments in the world. It has trouble enforcing even its most trivial laws.

So, country has runaway gun violence and enacts restrictive gun laws in response...but country's government lacks resources to enforce said laws and runaway gun violence continues.

Re:Honduran Gun Control Laws.

[Anonymous Coward]

What's the effective enforcement rate?

Knowing Latin America, I'd say somewhere between "Not at all" and "Only if you can't pay me to look away" would be my assessment.

Re:Honduran Gun Control Laws.

[Anonymous Coward]

Monaco, Liechtenstein, Singapore, Iceland and Japan round out the lowest murder rates and they all have no gun control laws whatsoever ... oh wait

Re:Honduran Gun Control Laws.

[Anonymous Coward]

The map is "interactive"! You've never seen one of those before, right?

Re:Honduran Gun Control Laws.

[Anonymous Coward]

Monaco, Liechtenstein, Singapore, Iceland and Japan round out the lowest murder rates and they all have no gun control laws whatsoever ... oh wait

So, fact checking one of your countries, this is completely false.

Right to Possess Firearms
In Iceland, the right to private gun ownership is not guaranteed by law

Law Regulates Automatic Weapons
In Iceland, civilian possession of automatic weapons is regulated by law

Law Regulates Handguns
In Iceland, civilian possession of handguns is regulated by law

Law Regulates Long Guns
In Iceland, civilian possession of rifles and shotguns is regulated by law

Gun Ownership and Possession
In Iceland, only licensed gun owners may lawfully acquire, possess or transfer a firearm or ammunition

Gun Owner Background Checks
An applicant for a firearm licence in Iceland must pass a background check which considers undefined records

Licensing Records
In Iceland, authorities maintain a record of individual civilians licensed to acquire, possess, sell or transfer a firearm or ammunition

Civilian Gun Registration
In Iceland, the law requires that a record of the acquisition, possession and transfer of each privately held firearm be retained in an official register

Gun Dealer Record Keeping
In Iceland, licensed firearm dealers are required to keep a record of each firearm or ammunition purchase, sale or transfer on behalf of a regulating authority

Gun Manufacturer Record Keeping
In Iceland, licensed gun makers are required to keep a record of each firearm produced, for inspection by a regulating authority

State-Owned Firearm Records
In Iceland, State agencies are required to maintain records of the storage and movement of all firearms and ammunition under their control

Re:Honduran Gun Control Laws.

[Anonymous Coward]

Honduras changed the gun law in 2007 to be more strict, because of the bad situation. And from the data you can see that there is a huge drop in deaths somewhere between 2011 and 2013. They seem to bulieve that there are still a lot of illegal guns in the country that the civilians and criminals got in the 1980s.

From this it looks like the law has a very good chance of working (remember that it always takes a while for a new law to start affecting), but obviously we would need more data to be sure. And we also have to remember that it could have been caused by anything else that was done at the same time.

Re:Honduran Gun Control Laws.

[nospam007]

"Also, what the heck is the tech connection here?"

People can use their computer to find out in which city to live, instead of getting shot.

Where I live, (Luxembourg, 0.8 murders per 100.000) there's usually only between 4 and 10 wives a year who get killed at home by their husbands, very seldom by gun. Some years it's the other way round.

Heck, somebody tried to kill Gaston Glock here, the guy who manufactures the 'plastic' pistols and appropriately the moron used a plastic mallet to hit him in the head 7 times to no avail.

IOW even if you want to kill a 70 year old, don't send a 67 year old hitman.

PS. He'll get out next year at age 84, so if you want to kill a 87 year old ...

From WP
"In July 1999, Charles Ewert, a business associate of Glock, hired a French ex-mercenary to murder Glock with a mallet in a garage in Luxembourg in an apparent attempt to cover up embezzlement of millions from the Glock company.[2]

Although Glock's injuries included seven head wounds and the loss of about a litre of blood, Glock was able to fend off the attack by striking the hitman twice. The hired killer, 67-year-old Jacques Pêcheur, was sentenced to 17 years in prison for the attack. Charles Ewert was sentenced to 20 years as a result of Pêcheur's testimony.[7]"

Re:Honduran Gun Control Laws.

[The Grim Reefer]

Did you happen to hear that whoosh?

Hint: It wasn't from a stray round.

Re:Honduran Gun Control Laws.

[Applehu Akbar]

"Also, what the heck is the tech connection here?"
These are all the places where you want a cheap Android phone.

Re:Honduran Gun Control Laws.

[circletimessquare]

laws also have to be enforced

you can pass any law you want, but if no one enforces them, the laws on the book don't mean anything

Re:Honduran Gun Control Laws.

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh, there's the French connection...

Re:Honduran Gun Control Laws.

[Zontar The Mindless]

-5, Completely Unable to Detect Sarcasm, even when tipped off with "oh wait".

Re:Honduran Gun Control Laws.

[tehcyder]

Honduras (#1 city) requires each firearm to be licensed (& renewed every 4 years). Can only have 5 firearms, each must be registered (including ballistics info). Only allowed on private property, not carried in public. Automatic & "Assault" weapons are prohibited. Must be purchased from "La Armeria" (govt run). Sounds like what gun control folks dream about. Obviously it works...

So the problem is that they have too few guns each?

Gotcha. I imagine being able to own 10 instead of "only" 5 would halve the homicide rate, yeah?

Re:Honduran Gun Control Laws.

[Anonymous Coward]

State and federal governments in the US can't enforce the gun laws they have either, so his point still stands.

Outsourced homicide

[penguinoid]

How much of this is due to their providing illegal things that other countries pay for? (eg drugs)

Re:Outsourced homicide

[Anonymous Coward]

How much if it is due to countries making things illegal, which pushes up the value of that item, which in turn encourages criminals to produce said item?

Re:Outsourced homicide

[Black Parrot]

How much if it is due to countries making things illegal, which pushes up the value of that item, which in turn encourages criminals to produce said item?

That's your government's way of creating jobs. But like most trade deals, it creates the jobs and increases the GDP in other countries, and drives the trade deficit way up.

Re:Outsourced homicide

[penguinoid]

Hehe... just imagine the "fiscal conservative"'s response to a suggestion that we could reduce our trade deficit by legalizing drugs.

Re:Outsourced homicide

[John.Banister]

It's not just making things illegal, it's making the concept of recreational drugs illegal. If recreational drugs that aren't physically addictive were legal, pharmaceutical researchers could have those imported agricultural products replaced in short order, and with the FDA checking up on the manufacturers' quality control.

Overly done graphic

[tomhath]

Aside from the gaping holes in the data for many countries, the use of a spinning globe is a nuisance. Just display a map, it doesn't have to move around.

Re:Overly done graphic

[Black Parrot]

Looks like the whole FA is just an ad for a wannabe data processing company.

Re:Overly done graphic

[Zontar The Mindless]

I really like how their WebGL capability detection utterly failed to detect the fact that my browser/hardware supports WebGL just fine, thank you.

Re:Overly done graphic

[Zontar The Mindless]

(For the sarcasm-impaired: Yes, that was sarcasm.)

Re:Overly done graphic

[tehcyder]

(For the sarcasm-impaired: Yes, that was sarcasm.)

Oh, was it?

Re:Overly done graphic

[coolsnowmen]

I liked it.

What is a homicide?

[tranquilidad]

Countries don't count homicides the same way. In England and Wales, as an example, deaths don't count as homicides unless, and until, there is a conviction for the death. Here is a report that highlights that difference: www.parliament.uk

35. Homicide statistics too vary widely. In some developing countries, the statistics are known to be far from complete. Figures for crimes labelled as homicide in various countries are simply not comparable. Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction, or where the person is not prosecuted on grounds of self defence or otherwise. This reduces the apparent number of homicides by between 13 per cent and 15 per cent. The adjustment is made only in respect of figures shown in one part of the Annual Criminal Statistics. In another part relating to the use of firearms, no adjustment is made. A table of the number of homicides in which firearms were used in England and Wales will therefore differ according to which section of the annual statistics was used as its base. Similarly in statistics relating to the use of firearms, a homicide will be recorded where the firearm was used as a blunt instrument, but in the specific homicide statistics, that case will be shown under "blunt instrument".

36. Many countries, including the United States, do not adjust their statistics down in that way and their figures include cases of self defence, killings by police and justifiable homicides. In Portugal, cases in which the cause of death is unknown are included in the homicide figures, inflating the apparent homicide rate very considerably.

Re:What is a homicide?

[Anonymous Coward]

And unfortunately, this will never get fixed unless there are international standards in place to follow. Otherwise, all these statistics are going to be inflated or deflated all to the benefit to X politician. What's worse, in the US, every jurisdiction has their own standards which also makes all these statistics completely messed up.

Re:What is a homicide?

[del_diablo]

You mean doing research and then fixing your numbers?

Re:What is a homicide?

[Anonymous Coward]

Here's a tip: There is not some massive conspiracy to paint the USA as a murderous nation, but there are VAST differences in the amount of homicides between the US and UK. This is not just down to how statistics are gathered, but the very fact there are FAR LESS murders in the UK, probably because it's about a thousand times harder to get a gun.

Re:What is a homicide?

[ULTROS]

I have looked at many trends. A few facts are apparent. If guns are banned and successfully removed, the murder rate continues with blunt objects and knives. If not removed from criminals, and only law abiding citizen, it skyrockets.

Safest country

[Anonymous Coward]

With 0.8 homicides per 100K inhabitants, Saudi Arabia looks like a great place to be alive.

Re:Safest country

[Anonymous Coward]

But then you might like Japan, with 0.3 :) But only if you're a man. Women get killer more over there.

Re:Safest country

[John.Banister]

So long as lack of women's rights and inbreeding don't bother you. There's also the Mutaween and the executions for sorcery. When a woman who converted to Christianity was burnt to death after having her tongue cut out by her father, it didn't count as a homicide in that country.

Re:Safest country

[Anonymous Coward]

Provided you don't include murders committed by the authorities using swords to chop people's heads off for expressing nonconformist views or for getting raped, yeah, it sounds really peachy.

Re:Safest country

[myowntrueself]

But then you might like Japan, with 0.3 :) But only if you're a man. Women get killer more over there.

I'd be surprised if women are allowed to murder in Saudi Arabia.

Gun free zones.

[Anonymous Coward]

You betcha.

DO THE MATH!

[antiperimetaparalogo]

Crime statistics from Greece (still low crime rates compared to most of the world, but huge difference from when Greece became more NON-Greek!)

Population: Greeks (9.903.268 - including all Greek citizens, i.e., even about 3% officialy non-ethnic Greeks...) - NON-Greeks (708.003 - officialy 70% of them "undocumented immigrants"...)

Crime Perpetrators:

Homocide: Greeks (264) - NON-Greeks (188)

Rape: Greeks (117) - NON-Greeks (76)

Robbery: Greeks (1,316) - NON-Greeks (896)

Sources: latest (2011) official population census: http://www.statistics.gr/porta... - latest (2013) official police data: http://www.astynomia.gr/images...

Re:DO THE MATH!

[Anonymous Coward]

speaking of do the math, the craph er i mean graph quotes brazil's murder rate as 25.2% (!) when in fact it is 25.2 per 100,000
which is 0.0252% per year.

Re:DO THE MATH!

[Anonymous Coward]

Probably similar for any immigrant community anywhere in the world. I take it you're part of the typical "I'm not a racist, but..." group that exists in Greece?

Re:DO THE MATH!

[Anonymous Coward]

The Greeks are so lazy that they don't kill themselves ; they borrow from immigrant and newer repay back as usual!

Re:DO THE MATH!

[Anonymous Coward]

Would I be correct in assuming that you're Greek yourself? It's just that you've never mentioned it before.

Re:DO THE MATH!

[antiperimetaparalogo]

Yes, i agree, math is not so popular...

Re:DO THE MATH!

[antiperimetaparalogo]

I take it you're part of the typical "I'm not a racist, but..." group that exists in Greece?

Why you think FACTS are "rasist"? And you are very wrong about me being part of the typical "I'm not a racist, but..." group... very wrong, because i have stated in Slashdot already enough times what i am (e.g., http://slashdot.org/comments.p...) - but crime statistics are not "racists" (because among non-Greeks criminals in Greece exist people of the same general race Greeks are part of, but of other ethnicity).

Re:DO THE MATH!

[antiperimetaparalogo]

Would I be correct in assuming that you're Greek yourself? It's just that you've never mentioned it before.

I hope you will read this, it would be the last time (or one of the last) that i will write it to you my dear: use your Slashdot account, don't be a coward.

Re:DO THE MATH!

[Anonymous Coward]

Facts are facts, yes. On the other hand, the presentation of facts can easily be manipulated to present an idea. For example you could omit part of the facts that would distract the reader from reaching the conclusion you want her to reach. Or you could present facts at the right time/context (right after an infanticide for example) to "guide" an emotional reader towards the conclusion you want. It is what we know as white propaganda (nothing to do with race). So, by reading the data presented here a reasonable person would think "apparently Greeks are less likely to commit crimes than non Greeks".

By the fact that the presenter HAD to specify that within the number of Greeks being shown there is a 3% of non-ethnic Greeks, I sense a nationalistic bias. And by the fact that the presenter HAD to specify that within the non-Greek population there is a 70% of illegal immigrants, I call an anti-immigrant bias. And this is why I label the facts above as propaganda; Nationalistic, anti-immigrant propaganda. Are they facts? yes, probably. Is the presenter trying to guide opinion towards a conclusion? yeah, absolutely.

As others have said in the comments, It is far more likely that the causes are related to the levels of poverty than they have to do with nationality, race, religion or left/right handed people. I dare you to prove that non-Greeks and Greeks have similar distributions regarding access to wealth/food/services.

Re:DO THE MATH!

[Anonymous Coward]

I hope you will read this, it would be the last time (or one of the last) that i will write it to you my dear: use your Slashdot account, don't be a coward.

Sorry to disappoint you, but (a) I'm not the same AC you seem to think you're replying to, (b) No-one here is bothered or ashamed by the "Coward" bit, even if it was meant to have that effect, (c) I have an account, but I'm not using it to post an inconsequential one-off piece of mick-tacking! :-)

By the way, are you Greek? (^_^)

Re:DO THE MATH!

[Anonymous Coward]

Homocide: Greeks (264) - NON-Greeks (188)

Doesn't that mean the murder only counts if it's the same gender as the perpetrator?

Haven't we letter worded it now

[MerlynEmrys67]

I thought it was racist or not politically correct to say the T-word anymore. After all, by not saying it we give it power like He Who Shall Remain Nameless.

THUG THUG THUG

Muggah?

[Anonymous Coward]

...says Robert Muggah, the research director and program coordinator...

Actually, Robert Muggah says "hands up!"

Now hold on a second...

[felrom]

That geographic specificity helps to underscore an important point about murders, says Robert Muggah, the research director and program coordinator for Citizen Security at the Rio de Janeiro-based Igarapé Institute, in the above-lined story: "In most cities, the vast majority of violence takes place on just a few street corners, at certain times of the day, and among specific people."

A dude from Rio de Jeneiro says this concerning worldwide homicide rates, and it makes it into a summary on Slashdot.

Someone on Slashdot says the same thing about America during a debate about guns, citing statistics from the FBI, and they get downvoted as a Troll and called a racist.

Police

[Anonymous Coward]

I reckon being within 20 yards of any police officer in the USA would have been the most murderous place in the world. Especially if he is black and the police officer is white.

TL:DR;

[UnknownSoldier]

Remind me to never visit Brazil, Mexico, or Honduras.

Summary, in alphabetical order

* Brazil x 19 !!!
* Columbia
* Honduras x 2
* El Salvador
* Guatemala
* Jamaica
* Louisiana, USA
* Maryland, USA
* Mexico x 10 !!
* Michigan, USA
* Missouri, USA
* South Africa
* Venezuela x 4 !

Top 50 List without all the bullshit images:

1. San Pedro Sula, Honduras had 171.20 homicides per 100,000 residents.
2. Caracas, Venezuela had 115.98 homicides per 100,000 residents.
3. Acapulco, Mexico had 104.16 homicides per 100,000 residents.
4. João Pessoa, Brazil had 79.41 homicides per 100,000 residents.
5. Distrito Central, Honduras had 77.65 homicides per 100,000 residents.
6. MaceiÃ, Brazil had 72.91 homicides per 100,000 residents.
7. Valencia, Venezuela had 71.08 homicides per 100,000 residents.
8. Fortaleza, Brazil had 66.55 homicides per 100,000 residents.
9. Cali, Colombia had 65.25 homicides per 100,000 residents.
10. São LuÃs, Brazil had 64.71 homicides per 100,000 residents.
11. Natal, Brazil had 63.68 homicides per 100,000 residents.
12. Ciudad Guayana, Venezuela had 62.13 homicides per 100,000 residents.
13. San Salvador, El Salvador had 61.21 homicides per 100,000 residents.
14. Cape Town, South Africa had 60 homicides per 100,000 residents.
15. Vitoria, Brazil had 57 homicides per 100,000 residents.
16. CuiabÃ, Brazil had 56.46 homicides per 100,000 residents.
17. Salvador (and RMS), Brazil had 54.31 homicides per 100,000 residents.
18. Belém, Brazil had 53.06 homicides per 100,000 residents.
19. St. Louis, Missouri had 49.93 homicides per 100,000 residents.
20. Teresina, Brazil had 49.49 homicides per 100,000 residents.
21. Barquisimeto, Venezuela had 46.46 homicides per 100,000 residents.
22. Detroit, Michigan had 44.87 homicides per 100,000 residents.
23. GoiÃnia, Brazil had 44.82 homicides per 100,000 residents.
24. CuliacÃn, Mexico had 42.17 homicides per 100,000 residents.
25. Guatemala, Guatemala had 41.90 homicides per 100,000 residents.
26. Kingston, Jamaica had 40.59 homicides per 100,000 residents.
27. JuÃrez, Mexico had 39.94 homicides per 100,000 residents.
28. New Orleans, Louisiana had 39.61 homicides per 100,000 residents.
29. Recife, Brazil had 39.05 homicides per 100,000 residents.
30. Campina Grande, Brazil had 37.97 homicides per 100,000 residents.
31. ObregÃn, Mexico had 37.71 homicides per 100,000 residents.
32. Palmira, Colombia had 37.66 homicides per 100,000 residents.
33. Manaus, Brazil had 37.07 homicides per 100,000 residents.
34. Nuevo Laredo, Mexico had 34.92 homicides per 100,000 residents.
35. Nelson Mandela Bay, South Africa had 34.89 homicides per 100,000 residents.
36. Pereira, Colombia had 34.68 homicides per 100,000 residents.
37. Porto Alegre, Brazil had 34.65 homicides per 100,000 residents.
38. Durban, South Africa had 34.48 homicides per 100,000 residents.
39. Aracaju, Brazil had 34.19 homicides per 100,000 residents.
40. Baltimore, Maryland had 33.92 homicides per 100,000 residents.
41. Victoria, Mexico had 33.91 homicides per 100,000 residents.
42. Belo Horizonte, Brazil had 33.39 homicides per 100,000 residents.
43. Chihuahua, Mexico had 33.29 homicides per 100,000 residents.
44. Curitiba, Brazil had 31.48 homicides per 100,000 residents.
45. Tijuana, Mexico had 29.90 homicides per 100,000 residents.
46. MacapÃ, Brazil, had 28.87 homicides per 100,000 residents.
47. CÃcuta, Colombia, had 28.43 homicides per 100,000 residents.
48. TorreÃn, Mexico, had 27.81 homicides per 100,000 residents.
49. MedellÃn, Colombia, had 26.91 homicides per 100,000 resident
50. Cuernavaca, Mexico, had 25.45 homicides per 100,000 residents.

I feel bad for all the people in Brazil and Mexico.

Re:TL:DR;

[Anonymous Coward]

When I was growing up, they told us never to go to Tijuana because you'll get murdered.
Well according to this list, Tijuana (#45) is safer than Baltimore (#40), New Orleans (#28), Detroit (#22), and St Louis (#19).
My how the times have changed.

Also, I'm really glad I'm not a Ravens (or Redskins), Saints, Lions, or Rams fan.

Re:TL:DR;

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm from porto alegre (37th in this list). I lived abroad and I can tell you that here is not that dangerous.
There are basically two reasons for this high homicide rates:
1. Drug sellers kill themselves all the time. And the police simply DONT CARE. Everybody knows here that if the victim is a non-drug-seller, police will come after the perpetrator. If the victim is a drug seller, police won't mind. (and, of course, there is the racism thing: sometimes police just assume a black is a drug seller). So, yes, if you are a drug seller, it's probably a dangerous place. Otherwise, not so.
2. Contrary to what some may imagine, these statistics are quite right. Several parts of the world don't count a homicide until there is somebody to be guilty (I know some parts of Europe do that, dunno about USA). Some parts of the world just put cosmetics on the statistics.

Finally, I must say: it's a shame that Sao Paulo isn't in the list. And it's a shame because the government of SP just put a lot of cosmetics on crime rates. Otherwise, it would be somewhere between 25 and 10th place. :/

Re:TL:DR;

[Anonymous Coward]

Why are some of those countries while others are subsections of countries?

Re:TL:DR;

[AgentElrond]

I've lived in two of these cities (#38 Durban and #14 Cape Town, South Africa), and the numbers can be misleading. Cape Town in particular is actually pretty safe as South Africa goes. I don't know anyone personally who has been affected by violent crime here, and I dated a police officer based in the CBD who had never even come close to having to use her firearm. The numbers are real, but seem to be heavily skewed towards inter-gang violence and domestic violence, both overwhelmingly localized to certain areas (not that that makes it ok).

Can't say the same for another South African city: Johannesburg. I was personally threatened three times with a firearm in the 12 years I lived there (twice in good suburban areas and once on a game farm), and nearly everyone I know there has been personally affected by some sort of violent crime. Two friends were shot (and survived) in hijackings. But it doesn't make that list somehow.

It would be great to have these stats on a finer granularity - as it is I don't think they're useful for any sort of real decision making.

Re:TL:DR;

[Solandri]

For a point of reference, the global death statistics say the death rate from all accidental injuries is 57 per 100,000. The biggest single cause is road traffic accidents, at 19 per 100,000 (more recent statistics put it at 18). Violent deaths (suicide, homicide, war) break down as 14 for suicide (more recent stats put it at 16), 9 for homicide, and 2.8 for war.

The suicide stat I think is an important one that's often overlooked. Globally it's more than 1.5x the homicide rate, and certain countries with extremely low homicide rate have extremely high suicide rates (e.g. Japan). Anyway, it's rather eye-opening to look through that list. I had expected war to be higher, but I guess the percentage of the population in a war zone is rather small compared to the percentage of coverage the news devotes to it.

Re:TL:DR;

[UnknownSoldier]

Listed the cites in the USA, countries otherwise.

Drone strike FTW!

[Anonymous Coward]

The folks in Washington can make it appear that the people there are nicer than in IraqNamIstan by ramping-up drone strikes. It's totally misleading. I'd be more interested in seeing an interactive map of places where wholesale murder is initiated from.

all those cool pictures of scary looking police..

[Anonymous Coward]

just once, i want to see somebody outfit their elite law enforcement forces in clown suits. who's going to mess with crazy?

Fucking trolls

[Indigo]

Can't believe how off-topic most of the trolls are... kids these days, sheesh :-(

Re:Fucking trolls

[circletimessquare]

like the racists who think black people are the problem

the fact they are modded up leads me to believe it might be time to leave slashdot

when racists get modded up, the forum is dying

Re:Fucking trolls

[Anonymous Coward]

Of course it couldn't be black people. All races are exactly alike in every way and if you suggest something crazy enough like the idea that separated populations diverge over time, then you are crazy and a racist and therefore everything you do is wrong. This incredible run on sentence makes perfect sense and I'm right so you must be wrong.

Re:Fucking trolls

[circletimessquare]

we have a black president and he's one of if not the most cerebral president we've ever had, at least since wilson

you evalute the *individual* you stupid ignorant piece of shit

there are violent dumb black people. and intelligent peaceful black people. violent dumb white people. and intelligent peaceful white people

there is absolutely no value, none, in grouping people by skin color, hair color, eye color, or any other random bullshit that the dim minds of mouth breathing racist losers glom onto

you meet someone, you get to know them, you make a judgment of their character

but if you just look at someone, see their skin, and make an evaluation of their *character* based on that, you're a repugnant shitbag whose "thought" processes are low iq and immoral

Re:Fucking trolls

[Anonymous Coward]

we have a black president and he's one of if not the most cerebral president we've ever had, at least since wilson

How sad, then, that he's indistinguishable from just a glib, ideological con artist.

you evalute the *individual* you stupid ignorant piece of shit

Since we are talking about populations, statisticians would beg to disagree.

there are violent dumb black people. and intelligent peaceful black people. violent dumb white people. and intelligent peaceful white people

Which is where statistics come in, because the percentages do matter. Are everything, in fact.

there is absolutely no value, none, in grouping people by skin color, hair color, eye color, or any other random bullshit that the dim minds of mouth breathing racist losers glom onto

Cite? A credible one, I mean.

you meet someone, you get to know them, you make a judgment of their character

but if you just look at someone, see their skin, and make an evaluation of their *character* based on that, you're a repugnant shitbag whose "thought" processes are low iq and immoral

You make a lot of subjective assumptions about others, for such an "objective" individual.

Re:Fucking trolls

[circletimessquare]

Cite? A credible one, I mean.

an intelligence and social skillset better than yours

Re:Fucking trolls

[Anonymous Coward]

Cite? A credible one, I mean.

an intelligence and social skillset better than yours

Which seems to leave you out.

It's might be regrettable how there tends to be truth in most stereotypes (or they wouldn't BE stereotypes), but one can make better-than-chance predictions regarding individuals using particular shared characteristics. That it might offend political / emotional sensibilities is not a valid objection.

Re:Fucking trolls

[Zontar The Mindless]

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the colour of their skin but by the content of their character.

(Full text at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/ame...)

Unlike some folks here, I'm old enough to remember seeing prominent "White Only" and "Colored Only" signs on the campus of an American state-run university.

Last time I was in North Carolina, I saw an old building. The side of the building had been recently exposed by the tearing down of the building next to it; one could see that this was the case by the exposed foundation of the structure that'd been removed and the relative discolouration of the bricks on that side of the remaining one. Also exposed on that side of the building: the legend "COLORED ENTRANCE" in block letters about a meter high, underscored with an arrow pointing to the rear.

This is stuff within living memory, evidence for which can still be seen in many places. Yet the denialists continue to deny, or to pretend to themselves that it just all magickally went away a half-century ago. *sigh*

Re:Fucking trolls

[circletimessquare]

the point is that in your life you don't deal with races, you deal with individuals. you don't buy a newspaper from the black race, you buy it from jeff. you don't work in cubicle next to the indian race, you work next to sanjay

but if you wish your interactions with those people to be according to your low iq racism, you get a quality of interaction equivalent to that ignorant guide

if you say {X} because you know sanjay likes the seattle seahawks, you have gained a friend. if you say {Y} because all indian people smell, you work next to a stranger who doesn't know you, and will never know you, because all you show him is ignorance

so you're simply saying you wish to have a degraded dull life, interacting with other people according to crude socially retarded thoughts. your words are simply a slightly more roundabout way of identifying yourself as a socially developmentally disabled moron, with a pathetic life who behaves badly to other people and whom no one really knows

Re:Fucking trolls

[circletimessquare]

world war ii marked the last time that racist thought had any serious sway in the most developed parts of the world. and the massive orgy of horrors of that war is pretty much the direct result of racist thinking. it burned itself out and proved to the world all that it was really worth

after that, racism still existed, and always will exist, but went into permanent decline. now it simply lurks in the shadows amongst the socially retarded losers and assorted hate filled douchebags. and that's where it will lie, some fungus in the basement

racism is done, don't let it bother you, it will never hold dominance in the developed world again. it's called progress, and progress is real. the only reason we would ever backslide is some sort of serious disruption of civilization. otherwise, all that remains now is the slow but inevitable extension of tolerance to parts of the world still with racist, sectarian, and tribal thinking

Re:Fucking trolls

[Anonymous Coward]

the point is that in your life you don't deal with races, you deal with individuals. you don't buy a newspaper from the black race, you buy it from jeff. you don't work in cubicle next to the indian race, you work next to sanjay

And you haven't managed to temper your assumptions, I see. I never said otherwise. I tend to take people as they come. If they disappoint, that's their choice.

but if you wish your interactions with those people to be according to your low iq racism, you get a quality of interaction equivalent to that ignorant guide

if you say {X} because you know sanjay likes the seattle seahawks, you have gained a friend. if you say {Y} because all indian people smell, you work next to a stranger who doesn't know you, and will never know you, because all you show him is ignorance

I find that humor, and shared experiences, if any, are helpful. Your assumptions, again.

so you're simply saying you wish to have a degraded dull life, interacting with other people according to crude socially retarded thoughts. your words are simply a slightly more roundabout way of identifying yourself as a socially developmentally disabled moron, with a pathetic life who behaves badly to other people and whom no one really knows

No, actually, that wasn't what I was saying. And I don't recall acting badly towards anyone of late. I am saying that I refuse to make gratuitous excuses for group behaviors, or to "like" people, for reasons external to experience and perceptions. Withholding judgement in the case of individuals is usually the wisest course. Let them come to you, as it were. But if they live down to a stereotype, it certainly isn't my place (or my interest) to make excuses for them.

Another way of being a moron - and ignorant - is by constructing invidious little internal narratives, accepting them as gospel, and hurling epithets at people you don't know who happen not to agree with you. Attempt to sound less like a cartoon character. Or a troll. Either one is a fool.

Re:Fucking trolls

[src1138]

So much name calling.

Statistics are dangerous - not the numbers, but what we think they mean.

You can't survey an entire population and then apply the assessment to each individual.

You could have a class of 100 students - 50 that get everything right and 50 that get everything wrong - the average assessment in that case will not apply to anyone in the class.

Crap data

[Anonymous Coward]

Besides data is 2 years old, they show a relatively low rate for my province relative to other provinces in Argentina, accounting a count of 138. However, They also provides number for top cities, and from that I see the province count should be greater than 284 homicides from out two largest cities.
Conclusion: Presentation is nice, but data is completely unreliable. Even if source provided it as-is, they didn't bothered to check any anomalies.

Citation please

[kervin]

Isn't this place about science and scientific methodology? Do you or ( anyone who modded you up ) have statistics to back that up? Can you show that the correlation isn't to poverty, and not race? Or do we continue to discredit an entire race of people simply based on our own stereotypes and cognitive biases?

Re:Citation please

[Anonymous Coward]

Isn't this place about science and scientific methodology? Do you or ( anyone who modded you up ) have statistics to back that up? Can you show that the correlation isn't to poverty, and not race? Or do we continue to discredit an entire race of people simply based on our own stereotypes and cognitive biases?

Or might you be trying to divert blame from the guilty based on your own stereotypes and cognitive biases?

Re:Citation please

[Anonymous Coward]

There are more poor white people in the country than blacks. Blacks still make up the vast majority of criminals. Poverty has nothing to do with it.

Re:Citation please

[quenda]

Can you show that the correlation isn't to poverty, and not race?

All the data shows crime correlates to both of course. Are you confusing correlation with causality?
Suppose the race correlate disappear once controlling for poverty. How much difference would that make? Black people are poorer everywhere. It is not just a local US problem you can blame on the shameful history of slavery. There is no simple fix. But getting rid of handguns and legalising drugs would be a good start.

N. Korea, China, Iran?

[Anonymous Coward]

Does state-sponsored murder count? N. Korea may have a low 'murder' rate, if you don't count be worked to death by the government in a concentration camp.

Poverty?

[Anonymous Coward]

The one thing they have in common is poverty.

The US has made one major fuck-up... treating drugs as a criminal offense and locking people up for decades.

What has this caused?

Well, it has caused druggies and sellers to head further out into rural areas, and any area that is public now becomes their territory. Unlike Europe where people can cross people's farms on a hike, here in the US, outbuildings will be used for squatting, stuff stolen for crack/meth, or other stuff, and people can be attacked for cash. This is why there are no rest stops in rural states anymore, and why landowners have to deal with squatters severely.

If the US had a drug policy of rehab, the murder rate (and general crime rate) will be a fraction of what it is right now.

You can easily tell this in the padlocks and security used in Europe versus the US. In Europe, thefts are pre-planned, thought out actions, so locks on vans and houses are pick resistant and snap resistant. Here in the US, most crimes against property are "I NEED METH! HULK SMASH!", so the biggest issue is smash and grabbers, the tweakers here in the US will be using a crowbar instead of a pick and tension wrench.

If you take a look at modern crime statistics, Colorado's crime rate has dropped to European standards after marijuana was legalized. Meth is still an issue, but the whole abuse/use mechanism for one major substance has been addressed.

tl;dr, the US's crime rate is due to an offshoot of Prohibition, which is something that is not a factor in most civilized countries. Take the war on drugs out of Baltimore, and its crime rate will be in line with London, Berlin, or Madrid.

There is one glaring omission

[Anonymous Coward]

Cabot Cove Maine has a murder rate like 3x of Nicaragua.

Disappointed

[Anonymous Coward]

Wow.

I am very disappointed in you, Greenland. I thought you were better than this.

All objective evidence shows one thing

[Anonymous Coward]

More Blacks = More crime.

Re:All objective evidence shows one thing

[circletimessquare]

more poverty = more crime

more blacks = more poverty, because of racism and history

so when you are a racist, you are simply identifying yourself as the cause of the problem

you are what is wrong with the world

Funny how drugs haven't turned Whitey

[Anonymous Coward]

into criminal scum in the same proportion as the darkies.

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Is there an app for that?

[Anonymous Coward]

So is there an app which will warn me when I approach a murder hotspot?

and Muslim countries

[Anonymous Coward]

Only count the murder of Muslims who haven't been accused of blasphemy or apostasy. All murders of days and non Muslims and blasphemers are seen as normal religious practice.

Re:This is racist...

[Anonymous Coward]

It clearly implies that Africans, Russians, and Hispanics are criminally inclined.

We're all human. These statistics should be scrubbed so that we all appear equal. Because we are all the same.

No, it implies that impoverished people are criminally inclined.

HURRRR IM CIRCLETIMESSQUARE

[Anonymous Coward]

And I'm happy to ignore all objective evidence if it doesn't fit my idealistic fuckwit brain!

The average black person, statistically speaking, is way more likely to murder, commit other violent crimes, be lowly-education, and a net burden on the taxpayer. This is statistical fact.

Imagine if any other group existed with those attributes. They'd be eradicated, or at least avoided.

The root cause of this problem may be genetics, poverty, or culture, it simply doesn't matter. If you had an easy way to identify this group you'd avoid them. In this case, we do - obey Nature's Warning Sign (melanin) and stay away.

The cause DOESN'T MATTER

[Anonymous Coward]

If I see a Black Person, I see someone that belongs to a group statistically way, way more likely to murder or injure me. They are more likely to do drugs, be poorly educated and be a deadbeat father.

It simply doesn't matter what the root cause was, I know they should be avoided.

Re:The cause DOESN'T MATTER

[j-beda]

If I see a Black Person, I see someone that belongs to a group statistically way, way more likely to murder or injure me. They are more likely to do drugs, be poorly educated and be a deadbeat father.

It simply doesn't matter what the root cause was, I know they should be avoided.

If you were interested in designing and/or implementing public policies to reduce crime, drug abuse, etc, then understanding the root causes is probably pretty important. If your only interest is in minimizing your personal exposure to risk, then understanding the actual statisctical underpinings of your fears might also be of use. Is your actual risk actually changed if you avoid ALL blacks? Should you be looking at relative risk changes or absolute risk changes? Are the risks worth worrying about in any case given your current risk parctices in terms of driving, eating, smoking or other potentially dangerous activits. Worring about 5 murders per 100,000 population might not be as important to worry about when you compare it to more than twice that rate in automobile deaths for example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Re: The cause DOESN'T MATTER

[circletimessquare]

Well said.

I wish racists would also understand that their behavior is actually the cause of what they complain about. Therefore the solution is to get rid of the racists. Since we cannot just murder the useless low iq wastes of lives as they deserve, like John Brown would, then I suppose I have to make peace with a very very slow remedial hand holding education for the moronic pieces of shit. So thank you.

No need for one

[Anonymous Coward]

Look at the people who lives there.

Asians? Jews? Whitey? You're fine.

Lots of tanned folk? Get the hell out.

good

[Anonymous Coward]

thank you very much very good article
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Rob Mugger

[Anonymous Coward]

er Muggah. Research director and program coordinator for Citizen Security at the Rio de Janeiro-based Igarapé Institute.

Nice.

it requires intellectual inferiority to believe i

[Anonymous Coward]

I suggest you spend a weekend analysing the racial distribution of professional 100m sprints, pay special attention to the relative racial contribution of winners in the US, UK, Canada, and France.

Get back to us when the sub-continental Indians and Chinese start dominating this, simplest and most impartial of all athletic tests.

Not really any surprises

[ErnieKey]

Not really any surprises here I must say...

Common denominator

[Anonymous Coward]

I think we have enough data for the last 50 years to know the core of the problem. The war on poverty has created a lazy class of dependent democrat voting class. Detroit, Chicago, Oakland, New Orleans, DC ect. The common denominator is clearly Democrat run and many blacks and whites on welfare.

Taiwan is NOT a province of China

[Anonymous Coward]

Shame they can't even get that correct!