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College Board Puts Code.org In Charge of AP CS Program

theodp writes: "The College Board," reports GeekWire, "is endorsing Code.org as a coursework and teacher training provider for its upcoming AP Computer Science Principles course and will help Code.org fund the teacher training work required to establish new computer science classes." So what's the catch? "Schools that commit to using the [new] PSAT [8/9 assessment] to identify middle school students who have potential for success in computer science will be eligible to receive curriculum, training, and funding for programming classes." The organization is bankrolled by some of tech's wealthiest leaders and their corporations. Code.org board member Brad Smith, Microsoft's General Counsel, proposed the idea of "producing a crisis" to advance Microsoft's "two-pronged" National Talent Strategy to increase K-12 CS education and the number of H-1B visas. Just months thereafter, nonprofit organizations Code.org and Mark Zuckerberg's FWD.us, which is lobbying for H-1B reform, were born.

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  1. Happy Friday from The Golden Girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Thank you for being a friend
    Traveled down the road and back again
    Your heart is true, you're a pal and a cosmonaut.
    And if you threw a party
    Invited everyone you knew
    You would see the biggest gift would be from me
    And the card attached would say, thank you for being a friend.

    1. Re: Happy Friday from The Golden Girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Confidant" not "cosmonaut", unless there is a joke I'm missing.

    2. Re: Happy Friday from The Golden Girls! by halivar · · Score: 1

      That post has said "cosmonaut" since 1999.

    3. Re:Happy Friday from The Golden Girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey moron, it's not cosmonaut, that doesn't make any damn sense. It's "commandant", Dorothy was the commanding officer of a police academy.

    4. Re: Happy Friday from The Golden Girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The second replier is in on the troll too. You'll notice that on every one of these stupid memes that someone comes in and "corrects" the original troll. Just ignore it and it will go away.

    5. Re: Happy Friday from The Golden Girls! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being that Bea Arthur looks a lot like Brezhnev, "cosmonaut" is also considered to be a correct lyric.

  2. And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Am I supposed to be outraged at this? The summary seems to indicate so. I'm not seeing the issue. Code.org is doing a good job, and is much preferable to the alternative: which is nothing. Don't tell me the Department of Education should be doing this instead.

    1. Re:And? by zamansky · · Score: 2

      The College board is about one thing - making money - the fact that code.org is in bed with them is rather disturbing.

    2. Re:And? by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Am I supposed to be outraged at this? The summary seems to indicate so. I'm not seeing the issue. Code.org is doing a good job, and is much preferable to the alternative: which is nothing. Don't tell me the Department of Education should be doing this instead.

      The way I read it we're supposed to be wary. It says that the organisations campaign for more H1B visas as well as funding these training schemes. I'm not sure of what we should be wary of in relation to these training courses - the organisations would be happy to employ US programmers as long as there are enough H1Bs to keep the wages suppressed.

    3. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      According to you. I'm not sure what you guys are upset about. Why is H-1B's even mentioned? The fact is that Code.org has a noble goal, and is executing it. Who else is going to help? The Department of Education? You?

      I mean I get it: you don't like the H-1B program. But that has nothing to do with Code.org and the College Board working together. Get a grip.

    4. Re:And? by zamansky · · Score: 1

      Look me up - I've probably done more with less w/r to CS education than anyone out there.

    5. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, a non-profit funded by Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg is in bed with another non-profit that is funded by Bill Gates for the possible purpose of making money. Shocking.

    6. Re:And? by zamansky · · Score: 2

      I wrote about some of my concerns here:

      http://cestlaz.github.io/2015/...

      Then add the negative impact that Gates has had on this country's ed system and follow it up with the fact that none of the players driving the bus are educators.

    7. Re:And? by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Because Code.org is run with a single goal: to make cheap laborers for the companies who fund it. The goal of our education system should be to create well-rounded individuals, not make them obedient laborers.

      Code.org is doing a good job,

      Are they? Why do you even think that?

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    8. Re:And? by zamansky · · Score: 2

      I made no reference to H1-B no about Gates making money - try reading what I wrote.

      In terms of programs - I'm a teacher so I have neither a voice nor deep pockets. What I do have is the fact that I'm the best at what I do and have built a great team. As the U.S. wrecks its overall ed system and rolls out bad CS the kids that I work with will be in even higher demand.

    9. Re:And? by An+Ominous+Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, a school in America's leading, cash-flush metropolis, servicing only gifted students who've made it past the SHSAT.

      NYC's specialized high schools are wonderful. But tell some teachers in the Southeast that you're doing more with less and they'll deservedly laugh in your face. You're doing more with more.

    10. Re: And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The plan is to flood the market with low-tier half-assed teenage programmers to displace older workers. In few years labour market for skilled programmers in USA will be no different from that of Russia where they had CS in high schools for 30 years and programmers are being paid less than janitors

    11. Re:And? by zamansky · · Score: 2

      My school is mostly working and middle class and very close to being eligible for title 1 funding. Lots of recent immigrants.
      We're a public school and receive no special funding.
      What's more, I had to hack the school to build my program - never got any support from the school: http://cestlaz.github.io/2014/...
       

    12. Re: And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The plan is to flood the market with low-tier half-assed teenage programmers to displace older workers.. In few years labour market for skilled programmers in USA will be no different from that of Russia where they had CS in high schools for 30 years and programmers are being paid less than janitors.

    13. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "to make cheap laborers"

      So their plan is to make cheap laborers by educating children in CS and flooding the labor market with them and H1-B's? Really, you guys are incredible. You think Gates is doing this so labor is cheap for...Microsoft in the future? So he can make more money for...Microsoft?

      Or are you scared of competition?

    14. Re: And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The typical result of ubiquitous CS education is programmers wage dropping through the country's median wage. This is not an oversensationalisation, this happened in ALL AND EVERY country that had CS introduced as part of high school program. It is in our best interest to keep CS field bein elitary

    15. Re:And? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      So their plan is to make cheap laborers by educating children in CS

      Yes, that is exactly their plan. When they started, they kept talking about how we need more programmers. This is not something hidden, it's something you didn't pay attention to.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    16. Re:And? by zamansky · · Score: 1

      You don't know me or my work. Bro-grammer culture? My gender equity numbers blow away most everyone else.

      Egotistical ass? Are we name calling now?

      My work speaks for itself while you hide behind anonymity.

    17. Re:And? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      btw, you didn't say why you think code.org is doing a great job.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    18. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I looked you up...Google says you're a serial rapist. I will NOT be listening to your opinions anymore!

    19. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The College board is about one thing - making money"
      "I'm a teacher so I have neither a voice nor deep pockets"
      "What I do have is the fact that I'm the best at what I do"

      OK, I get it now. You are offended because they didn't ask YOU about the curriculum. And you are the best. Why not just say so?

      It is pretty laughable though that you this Stuy is "doing with less". Come join the real world that Code.org is working in. You will find out what "less" really means in public school education.

    20. Re:And? by zamansky · · Score: 1, Troll

      I'm in the real world - apparently you're not.

      No reason to engage in someone not interested in a constructive conversation or debate.

      Good day.

    21. Re: And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Unlike many types of jobs, programmers really separate themselves into high and low performers. The old guy with an advanced degree, strong problem solving skills/logical reasoning ability and a mountain of application domain knowledge has nothing to fear from a bunch of wet behind the ears kids who know next to nothing and have learned programming skills in a classroom that they couldn't have taught themselves from a book in a few weeks. Those kids are only a substitute for the low end of the pay scale where pay is already close to the median wage. If that is where you are sitting you are sitting far from the "elitary".

    22. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stuy is a 70% Asian school with a focus on STEM and gets special funding through private donations. For Gods sake they just built a $10 million dollar special bridge to the school so the students didn't have to cross traffic. What a joke. Wake up. Study is in the top 0.01% of schools in the nation. It isn't what code.org is focusing on.

    23. Re:And? by An+Ominous+Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not name calling, it's accurate classification, Mr. I'm the Best, Doing the Most with Less. Your work--your posts in this thread--absolutely speaks for itself. What is says--shouts, really--is that you're an egomaniac impossible to work with. But keep on with the my-way-or-highway whines here and on your blog about the slights against you. Powerful advocacy, that.

    24. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's amazing how many people rant about how the gender gap doesn't exist because if it did people would be hiring women like crazy to do the work for a fraction of the price... usually completely oblivious to the fact that they're making this claim in the comments section of Yet Another Article about companies wanting to get girls into programming.

    25. Re:And? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      follow it up with the fact that none of the players driving the bus are educators.

      If we look at how well the educators have managed education, maybe it is better to have someone else in charge. Having a degree in education is negatively correlated with effectiveness as a teacher.

    26. Re: And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But that guy has everything to fear from the MBA manager who's going to be rotated to a new assignment in 6-12 months anyway and so doesn't need to give two shits about this project failing after that ... as long as she can get her bonus for reducing salary cost this quarter.

    27. Re:And? by t0rkm3 · · Score: 1

      Umm... Same principle. Females are not taking as many courses in programming, therefore there are not as many of them to hire. Once the gender quota is reached then the market may have twice as many domestic programmers as they have currently. It won't actually work out that way due to price signalling causing people to change jobs or avoid the discipline altogether.

      At the end, they reach the same outcome. More laborers equate to lower wages for all.

      I'm never afraid to compete, I've always been at the top of whatever I do and competition just makes this stuff more fun. However, for people that are not obsessed with their jobs, and performance of such, this will suck. Over time, the industry will likely calcify as people with less patience for mediocre programmers influencing the flow of creativity in a project find other ways to fill the void. This will likely change the methods of development and delivery.

      Whatever the case... The H1B bullshit is about lying motherfuckers. It has nothing to do with fear of competition, it's about playing fair and by the rules. If the rules need to be changed, let the Congress critters voice those concerns and reap the rewards.

    28. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not name calling, it's accurate classification, Mr. I'm the Best, Doing the Most with Less. Your work--your posts in this thread--absolutely speaks for itself. What is says--shouts, really--is that you're an egomaniac impossible to work with. But keep on with the my-way-or-highway whines here and on your blog about the slights against you. Powerful advocacy, that.

      I started laughing out loud when I came across this gem on his blog " I've been very impressed by Google's engineers, in fact, many are my former students"

    29. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So their plan is to spend millions on code.org and wait 20+ years to flood the market with bad programmers so they can save $100 million in salaries? Wow, what a return in investment.

      Here is a tip guys: don't be so scared of competition. It is good to have more programmers. There is plenty of work for us all.

      You know why I think Code.org is doing a great job? Because they are teaching kids to do stuff. Shame on you for not wanting to help kids because it might affect YOU. You should get together with zamansky. You both are egotistical twits.

    30. Re:And? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      So their plan is to spend millions on code.org and wait 20+ years to flood the market with bad programmers........Because they are teaching kids to do stuff.

      Apparently you don't think they are doing very well either.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    31. Re:And? by Bonzoli · · Score: 1

      At some point you will stop being AC or be ignored. Right now you have not addressed the fact that these 2 fellows could easily fund a college say facebook college of programming or Microsoft college of programming, which would train employees in what they need, just like many industries over the years have done. Instead they are doing this crazy crap which is all intent confusing the market while they ask to pay people 10$ an hour or less while they make off with billions, not pay full taxes, avoid taxes such as MS lisc center in Reno, and overseas accounts. This is a many layered attempt to lower wages of American's, while convincing them its their fault for not being smart enough. I'm sure they justify this to themselves but its all about how much money flows to them in the end. Glorified Self interest with a marketing plan.

    32. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Plenty of work for us all?"

      Just who do you think "us all" is?

      Have you ever taken the time to look at job listings, to see just what businesses are asking for? Keep in mind as you look: If, for whatever reason, a programmer is unfamiliar with any language, tool, development process, framework, or hair-care product listed as a "required skill", said programmer is not "qualified" for the job.

    33. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what you're saying is damned if you don't--i.e. the status quo--and damned if you do: If you do and show results, then you're an egomaniac impossible to work with.

      What we have here is this self-fulfilling prophecy that won't die, that programmers are all sexist bigots who are impossible to work with.

    34. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No I think they are doing a great job in at least trying. They aren't trying to make great (or even good) programmers, they are trying to get kids interested and exposed to CS so they can go on and eventually become good programmers.
      But shame on you be against educating kids because you are threatened by it.

    35. Re:And? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      No I think they are doing a great job in at least trying.

      Do you understand that 'trying' is not the same as 'doing a good job?'

      Remember, these are the same people behind common core. If you think they are doing a good job, you should at least have reasons why, otherwise you are mindless.

      Do some research, find out how they are doing, and that will be interesting.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    36. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Code.org is run with a single goal: to make cheap laborers for the companies who fund it. The goal of our education system should be to create well-rounded individuals, not make them obedient laborers.

      Being unable to write code in the 21st century will be like being unable to drive in the 20th century. Yes, you can make a living without knowing, but it will get more and more difficult to do so. In some trades, like machining, it has already happened. There is simply no work for a skilled machinist that can't code, just like 100 years ago, when a farmer who couldn't drive a tractor would inevitably lose his farm.

      Learning to program is orthogonal to getting an education. It's simply a life skill. After a few decades, the job title of "Programmer" will also eventually go away, just like the job title "Computer" did...or the job of "Driver" will. Outside of transition periods, you can't build a career around a basic life skill. Those of you getting into programming as a job now would do well to plan for what to do when you are 50 and most people have learned to do what you spend a lifetime specializing in.

    37. Re:And? by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      So their plan is to make cheap laborers by educating children in CS and flooding the labor market with them and H1-B's? Really, you guys are incredible. You think Gates is doing this so labor is cheap for...Microsoft in the future? So he can make more money for...Microsoft?

      I know it's hard to believe, but every once in a while you get someone who's capable of thinking past the end of the quarter.

    38. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's the thing. I keep hearing about how the market and industry is all about short term profit, but I keep hearing about these plans that will take a generation of social engineering to come to evil fruition. It just makes me think that the trope that we're using for them is Always Chaotic Evil or For the Evulz!

      Anyway, I'd presume their decision to not found their own university comes down to best use of money.

      You get more bang for each buck if you use existing, proven institutions and give them money rather than creating your own, inadvertently competing organization which will dissolve a substantial portion of the money in startup and administrative costs.

      There are also probably easy tax effects that they would consider in here as well.

    39. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The plan is to flood the market with low-tier half-assed teenage programmers to displace older workers. In few years labour market for skilled programmers in USA will be no different from that of Russia where they had CS in high schools for 30 years and programmers are being paid less than janitors .

    40. Re:And? by lgw · · Score: 1

      Have you ever taken the time to look at job listings, to see just what businesses are asking for? Keep in mind as you look: If, for whatever reason, a programmer is unfamiliar with any language, tool, development process, framework, or hair-care product listed as a "required skill", said programmer is not "qualified" for the job.

      All of which only matters IME if you're new to the industry. Once you've proven yourself, it's a different world. Your problem domain matters a lot, and its damn hard to change disciplines when the time comes (I've had to do it twice now over 24 years, I'm sure I will again). But toolset? I was hired for a Java job despite no Java experience at all, then hired for a C# job with only basic familiarity with C#. In my current job, we only care that mid-career developers have experience with some "curly brace language" (and I'd bet we'd interview a Python dev if we had a referral), and college hires must demonstrate strong coding skills in whatever language they choose. I've never even been asked about the rest of the toolset.

      Is this some front-end-web-guy problem? That job market seems saturated, but we're getting desperate for talent in the backend/infrastructure world.

      --
      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    41. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently you haven't heard about truck drivers or you're from the future.

      Granted, in about 20 years, that profession probably won't exist anymore.

      Yes, I think it's a very good idea to expose everyone to programming and especially relational data concepts. I particularly liked code.org's Frozen thing where they turn one of the princesses into a classical Logo turtle.

      There's too much mystery and mysticism surrounding computers. I think it would help greatly with that and encourage respect for professional programmers instead of "This is our programmer, he's a wizard." It really irritates me when I'm called a wizard or when people act like I have supernatural powers. I'm just another guy who has a skill, is very good at that skill, and works that skill to get a paycheck.

      I could probably teach almost anyone to program or drive a big truck. Sure, there are some people who will never learn. I remember there were a few in CDL class who were grinding gears until the very end and couldn't pass the road test. I've taught friends how to drive stick-shift 4 wheelers. But being a professional driver or programmer just isn't for everybody.

    42. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently you haven't heard about truck drivers or you're from the future.

      Every occupation that vanishes always has a large contingent shouting "We're skilled and special!", "The average person could never figure this out!", and "This job is too complex for automation!" ...and they keep shouting, even after the layoffs.

    43. Re:And? by Gestahl · · Score: 1

      Until you create an AI that can not only code other things, but intelligently and accurately alter it's own code, programming *is* too complex for automation. Code is, in a quite literal sense, crystallized and replicable thought and action.

      The best you can do is write better and better frameworks that make it easier for non-experts to write trivial code, which the highest-level programmers don't want to bother with anyway: they'd rather work on something that challenges them and forces them to learn and think. If anything, the highly skilled programmer should welcome a glut of low-end programmers: they just need to switch gears to be the consultant that comes in and fixes things when the idiot college grads fuck it up, rather than the curmudgeonly asshole that gets fired for not being a "team player".

    44. Re:And? by Hasaf · · Score: 1

      Having a degree in education is negatively correlated with effectiveness as a teacher.

      I am curious if you can document this; because, as a teacher, this is not what I have seen. I teacher at a middle school and most, if not all, of the teachers have a Bachelors or a Masters in their field. I addition, most have a masters, or second masters, in Education with several have, or are working on, Doctorates (Ed.D. . . . Right, a Doctorate to keep your job teaching at a Middle School, the system has gone mad).

      My grumble aside, I have noticed that the teachers with M.Ed.s' and Ed.D.s' are, in fact, better teachers. They simply have a bigger pool of ideas and techniques. It is not simply because they have more experience, most enter these programs after they are employed so they do have several years of experience by the time they have their M.Ed. and Ed.D. I se the difference between the over educated Gen-X teachers (of which I am one) who will never be eligible for tenure; so we have to stay "in training" until we reach our Ed.D. ( after five years of continuous employment, and evidence of "development" in a district some are eligible for "due process" rights, there is no more tenure) and the Boomers who received their Bachelors in their subject area, attained tenure, and were done.

      It isn't just being a younger teacher, after all, the X-ers are in their mid 40's. It isn't just about the evils of being able to plan for the future (to you conservatives, I mean the evils of tenure). There is a difference, my observation is that the teachers with M.Ed.s' and Ed.D.s' really are bringing more to the classroom.

    45. Re:And? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3

      I have noticed that the teachers with M.Ed.s' and Ed.D.s' are, in fact, better teachers.

      There is plenty of research showing that advanced education degrees add NO value to the classroom. From the citation: The fact that teachers with master’s degrees are no more effective in the classroom, on average, than their colleagues without advanced degrees is one of the most consistent findings in education research.

    46. Re:And? by Hasaf · · Score: 1

      I went and looked at the article you are quoting. The quote you make above earns a footnote; but no citation. The footnote says:
      In some studies with very large sample sizes, there are statistically significant differences between teachers with and without MA degrees, but the size of the difference is trivially small.

      However, as noted, there is no citation. Further, the article is not about teacher effectiveness at all, it is about teacher pay and the financial value of an M.Ed. for a teacher.

      Because there is no citation there is no way if he is comparing the effectiveness of teachers with education BAs' to the effectiveness of teachers with M.Ed.s' or if he is comparing the effectiveness of teachers with subject B.S.s' and MBAs' to teachers that have also added a M.Ed. to the subject degree.

      Quite frankly, it is a pretty quote; but, without the context that the article is about ROE on a M.Ed., it is entirely unsupported in the article and it is not the topic of the article.

    47. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the most part, when looking at job listings, I don't get to the "problem domain", though if it's clear that there's lots of actual software requirements that could land me in trouble, I'll shy away from the position, even if there isn't a list of proficiencies getting in the way.

      As for the things recruiters don't get to hear about when they set arbitrary requirements in their job descriptions (if they're not actively trying to ignore it anyway):

      The "problem domain" for me is a bit broad. My recent work is independent game development, with a somewhat ambitious project (completed). 3D graphics (procedural), 3d layout & modelling, sound synthesis, and game design are the first problem domains that come to mind. Taking on every aspect of a project, keeping the requirements achievable, and completing it also ought to be something nice to talk about.

      I also have military experience, with the domain there being data collection and distribution (from a wide variety of sources - FTP, legacy cables, and satellites), as well as various monitoring and troubleshooting tasks.

      Of course, I'm also mostly self taught, rather than university educated, so that's another factor which causes most employers to not hear anything form me.

  3. I knew there was some liberal catch here by NotDrWho · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Typical Silicon Valley liberal bullshit. From Code.org's website (bold added for emphasis)

    The College Board and Code.org will encourage schools to offer the new PSAT 8/9 assessment as a way of identifying more students, particularly those from traditionally under-represented groups, for enrollment in these new courses.

    So did you think this was going to mean some CS classes for you, poor little Appalachian white boy? Well TOUGH LUCK! That oppressed girl from Grosse Pointe beats you out again.

    --
    SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    1. Re:I knew there was some liberal catch here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So did you think this was going to mean some CS classes for you, poor little Appalachian white boy?

      Slashdot readership - the new advocacy front for IT jobs for poor Appalachian kids.

      k.

    2. Re:I knew there was some liberal catch here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      As every good liberal knows, true diversity comes from the color of your skin and the type of genitals you have (and even if you accept those genitals as your own). It has nothing to do with a diverse upbringing, people having multiple ideas/methods of solving problems, or just having different interests. I'm happy to be a formerly poor Appalachian white boy who had to teach the computer science teacher how to program, was able to learn a lot in the process of teaching myself, and ended up with a software development job that I thoroughly enjoy. And my story is far from unique. .....and as I hit preview to submit this post, the captcha word was "travesty"

    3. Re:I knew there was some liberal catch here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So did you think this was going to mean some CS classes for you, poor little Appalachian white boy?

      Slashdot readership - the new advocacy front for IT jobs for poor Appalachian kids.

      k.

      Dice, Dice, Baby!

    4. Re:I knew there was some liberal catch here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You forgot about "skill levels". A truly diverse workplace will have a full range a skill levels as well from the highly effective to the completely imcompetent.

    5. Re:I knew there was some liberal catch here by galabar · · Score: 1

      How does the PSAT test identify "those from traditionally under-represented groups?"

    6. Re:I knew there was some liberal catch here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Demographic questions I assume.

  4. We want to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Code.org - is it good, or is it whack?

  5. hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The plan is to flood the market with low-tier half-assed teenage programmers to displace older workers. In few years labour market for skilled programmers in USA will be no different from that of Russia where they had CS in high schools for 30 years and programmers are being paid less than janitors.

  6. Just a reminder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The "College Board" is a private company that provides educational testing materials. Their tests are becoming irrelevant and they're scrambling to keep up.

  7. Or how about this by MikeRT · · Score: 1

    Code.org board member Brad Smith, Microsoft's General Counsel, proposed the idea of "producing a crisis" to advance Microsoft's "two-pronged" National Talent Strategy to increase K-12 CS education and the number of H-1B visas.

    We identify all students with "leadership potential" and put them into either a class on business administration or JROTC. What could possibly be the objection there? Don't we also have a shortage of good management? Classes on leading and managing civilians or getting a taste for being a NCO or commissioned officer would do wonders to make more young folks ready to lead others in the business world!

    What's that you say? That would dilute the wages of management/make a lot of competition for upper management?

    Shit, son, why do you hate America? If diluted wages are good for engineers, how much better are they for the people who lead them!

    1. Re: Or how about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hint: you can't be a senior manager of a financial company in US without going through many legally mandated certification. These certification rolling programs do enrol a limited amount of students each year which effectively limits the size of a job market. Moreover, you can't buy or sell financial securities by yourself, unless you went through such programm. This prevents common folk from making money in financial field in US without paying the middleman.

      I like this very "open market."

  8. Another group screwing up k-12 education by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    American k-12 schools have enough trouble teaching reading, writing, and arithmetic. That was before 'No Child Left Behind'. Most kids are not interested in computer programming. Now, code.org, wants school districts to spend more money of their limited budget on computer programming classes. There will be unpopular, thus small, and thus expensive per student, programming classes.

  9. Tin foil everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are so many foil hats in this post that my fillings are starting to hurt. Yes, America will soon be over run by brown-skinned CS programmers. OH NOEZ MY RACIAL PURITY IS IN DANGER. HILARY CLINTON IS TAKING ALL THE TREES TO MEXICO AND SELLING OUR CHILDREN TO CHINA FOR SEX SLAVES.

  10. Am I missing something with Code.org? by Hasaf · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am a middle school teacher and I have been using hour of code to introduce my students to "the coding mindset." However, other than the puzzle tutorial I don't see much that is1. interesting to students and 2. contains a grading metric.

    Is there a teacher handbook? I do have access to the teacher site; but I really don't see much. I would like to be able to assign, and track progress in, other modules and activities; but it has the 20 activities that I can track and view in the teacher screen, then it has a more advanced set of puzzles (that I cannot track progress). Then is an "Elsa" on ice module, that, again, I cannot track progress in at the same time I am tracking the students who have not finished the basic module.

    At that point it kicks the students off to Kahn academy with no teacher tracking at all.

    Yes, the tracking is essential as most students will not do the activities if they do not see it, directly, translating into a grade. I have students who have had 18 weeks and have not started the first 20 activity module. They plan to find out how many points they need for a C (or D) after the final and then do only that many activities in the Hour of Code lessons.

    I would like to do more with Hour of Code and Code.org; but on the teacher side of the program there isn't much there.

    1. Re:Am I missing something with Code.org? by NovaChild · · Score: 1

      In the "Teacher Home Page" you can create new sections that are assigned to specific courses. You can see the courses offered at the bottom of the Teacher Dashboard here: http://code.org/teacher-dashbo... .

      Courses 1-4 are far more extensive than the hour of code or Introduction to Computer science courses. You could make separate sections for each course so that students can progress up the ladder on their own or change the course for the entire section at once by editing the section. You can track progress throughout the course. Each course includes some group and "unplugged" activities that you can do when the entire group is there.

  11. Thank-you for being You. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    also thankyou for reading at -1