How We'll Someday Be Able To See Past the Cosmic Microwave Background
StartsWithABang writes: When it comes to the farthest thing we can see in the Universe, that's the Cosmic Microwave Background, or the leftover glow from the Big Bang, emitted when the Universe was a mere 380,000 years old. But what, exactly, does this mean? Does it mean that we're seeing the "edge" of the Universe? Does it mean that there's nothing to see, farther back beyond it? Does it mean that, as time goes on, we're going to be able to see farther back in time and space? The answers are no, no, and yes, respectively. If we want to see farther than ever before, we've got two options: either wait for more time to pass, or get moving and build that cosmic neutrino background detector.
As soon as somebody replaces the 17 year old microwave in the cafeteria of the observatory, since scientists can't be bothered to wait until the cycle is done.
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Can we lose the daily barrage of pop-sci please.
Gee... I wonder who the linked astronomy-related Slashdotted story will have been written by.
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Yup. Thought so. Is there nobody else writing astronomy blogs these days? Or is Slashdot just in love with Ethan?
It's not like it's going anywhere, right guys?
Allah and God and Jesus and Yaweh are all the same self-hating guy.
The neutrino is the trendy particle, now?
Bah! Wake me when the tetryon is discovered.
The symptoms of schizophrenia, especially w.r.t. hearing voices, would explain a lot though.
"Burma Shave"
of turning slashdot into a walhalla for clickbait.
So how do they know that the "background" microwaves are from the edge of the universe? I thought that the primordial microwaves are scattered throughout the universe, so what we see when we look in some direction is the sum of all the background microwaves coming from that direction.
If we're actually seeing the edge, doesn't that shoot down the idea that the universe doesn't actually have an edge, and everywhere appears to be at the "center" of the universe? How was this idea disproved? I seem to have missed the discovery of an actual edge, somehow.
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
>> The answers are no, no, and yes, respectively.
If I'm reading this right, you just said:
But what, exactly, does this mean? no
Does it mean that we're seeing the "edge" of the Universe? no
Does it mean that there's nothing to see, farther back beyond it? yes
Does it mean that, as time goes on, we're going to be able to see farther back in time and space? (no response)
Amongst all the /. arguments, I would like to say that that is a well written article. It gets a very complex point across in a way that is easily understood. I didn't realize previously that our view of the CMB would change over time. Makes sense, we see the CMB who's light happens to get here now.
The microwave background radiation is what remains from the red-shifting of a burst of light when electrons became bound to protons and was stretched by the subsequent expansion of space. Wasn't there an earlier burst, of gamma rays, when quarks condensed from the quark-gluon plasma to form baryons? Has that been absorbed/scattered to obscurity by interaction with matter since then? Why hasn't the microwave background has not similarly been obscured by interaction with matter (exciting rotational energy levels of molecules?)
IANAP, but from what I read in most models of inflation there should be primordial gravitational waves, which could be indirectly detected based on the polarization of the CMB (b-modes). These waves (if they exist) would go all the way back to the inflationary period itself.
The BICEP2 experiment was designed to look for these, and last year announced detecting b-modes in the CMB. Of course, as we now know thanks to Planck their discovery is probably due to dust polarization. Are there any current or planned experiments that could differentiate between dust polarization and potential gravitationally-caused polarization?
There you go again with your xenophobia. The weird thing is that you would let the world know you are scared and ignorant of a great portion of it, and happily so at that. Bizarre.
Does it mean that, as time goes on, we're going to be able to see farther back in time and space?
Obviously the answer is yes because, as time goes on, the period at which the CMB was emitted moves further into the past so obviously we are seeing "further back in time" but only at the rate of one year further per year past (on average). Since the universe is also expanding we are also looking further. This is about as insightful as pointing out that as time goes by I can remember events further back in time.
I imagine h you'd have said the same thing about the Nazis before WW2.
Allah and God and Jesus and Yaweh are all the same self-hating guy.
Ermm they are not. In all 3 monotheistic religions, 'God' is qualitatively different.
The oldest Hebrew has a monotheistic God with NO recognized prophet.
The Christians have a tripart God as 3 identities, the total of which is a monotheistic god that also predates itself.
The newest - Allah who is further removed from 'man', is based on the Hebrew God (the first 4 books of the Hebrew bible) and comes with a prophet.
(I don't believe any of this btw)
Don't be apathetic. Procrastinate!
"The Christians have a tripart God as 3 identities, the total of which is a monotheistic god that also predates itself."
That kind of gross oversimplification has been directly responsible for tens of thousands and indirectly responsible for possibly millions of deaths. I'd suggest you quit while you're ahead. The Early Christians were perhaps the greatest pedants of all time. Imagine a cross of ISIS fighters, erudite professors, and the worst-of-the-worst Slashdot grammarians; legions of them; all being followed by a substantial portion of the human population.
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