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Rate These 53 Sub-$200 Hacker SBCs, Win 1 of 20

DeviceGuru writes: LinuxGizmos and Linux.com have just launched their annual 2-minute survey asking folks to rate their favorite hacker SBCs from a list of 53 single board computers that are priced below $200, supported by open documentation and Linux or Android OSes, and will ship before July. As usual, the survey's data will be made available publicly, but one big change this year is that participants can register for a random drawing that will give away 20 hacker SBCs, split equally among the BeagleBone Black, Imagination Creator CI20, Intel Edison Kit for Arduino, and Qualcomm DragonBoard 410c. (Emails submitted will only be used for selecting and notifying SBC drawing winners, say the sites.)

45 comments

  1. Slow night... by dark.nebulae · · Score: 0

    I never get first post...

  2. Really? by ourlovecanlastforeve · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When did this kind of shit become the norm for Slashdot?

    1. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when NSA started collecting email addresses of people who know how to hack a SBC. Nice try...

    2. Re:Really? by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 3, Funny

      We asked 100 people to rate these hacker SBCs, AND YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED NEXT! Click "Like" to see more!!!

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    3. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, considering how every time there is news of new or developing SBCs, which is news for nerds, half the comments bitch about how much the SBC du jour or the popular ones suck compared to other ones that are out there. It is nice to see a nice compilation of specs and prices for a large variety of options. And I have to wonder how many systems are missing, or if people who like to trash talk the Pi as being uselessly underspec compared to other options at the same price are just full of it...

    4. Re:Really? by PRMan · · Score: 1

      What could be MORE Slashdot than "Can anyone compare 53 SBC boards?"

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    5. Re:Really? by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

      Seems when CmdrTaco and CowboyNeal left.

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    6. Re:Really? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Know how to hack SBCs? Be reasonable. How many are simply going to toss a random answer in to win something?

      If the NSA relies on that kind of junk for data collection, their information level is worse than I'd have expected. And I don't expect anything good from them.

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  3. give us your data by MrKaos · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    we get to own your data, but you *might* _have_a_chance_to_ win something, maybe.

    Second prize is a guaranteed vector for identity theft!

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    1. Re:give us your data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, information wants to be free! information is supposed to be shared freely!

    2. Re:give us your data by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      In fact, only personal data here is worth something. How can we give a meaningful vote if no single person used more than a few of these machines, and remembers some media hype on a bunch more, but far less than all?

      So yeah, this whole survey is a scam.

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    3. Re:give us your data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      we get to own your data, but you *might* _have_a_chance_to_ win something, maybe.

      Second prize is a guaranteed vector for identity theft!

      Yes they "own" your email address, I suppose you are the sort of person that fears internet shopping too. Because the vendor then "owns" your physical address!

      I would mock your inability to come up with the idea of creating a one-time-use email address but based on your post I probably couldn't make it pedestrian enough for you to understand.

    4. Re:give us your data by MrKaos · · Score: 4, Informative

      I would mock your inability to come up with the idea of creating a one-time-use email address but based on your post I probably couldn't make it pedestrian enough for you to understand.

      It took me less than 30 seconds to uncover that the survey is asking for the following data:

      • Name
      • Company
      • Address
      • Address 2
      • City/Town
      • State/Province
      • ZIP/Postal Code
      • Country
      • Email Address
      • Phone Number

      I would mock your inability to click a link and *read* it, your inability to understand that you can only claim a prize by providing the correct information to these question but it is clear that you are ignorant.

      As for being 'one of those people' the answer is yes. I am 'one of those people who avoid creating vectors for identity theft'. Perhaps, one day, you'll be one of those people who whine and moan about the problems being a victim of ID theft has brought you however since you are ignorant the thinking would probably hurt you.

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    5. Re:give us your data by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nice to know I'm not the only one whose first thought is "Who in the hell is gonna have enough experience with 53 fricking SBCs to actually give a rating on anything other than name recognition?".

      OTOH if you wanted to gather a shitload of personal info this would be a cheap as hell way to do it, you wouldn't even have to actually give anything away just say you did and post a couple pics of some random guys holding one of the "winning" SBCs!

      Considering how many FB and mobile data mining/ ID theft scams I have to warn folks about monthly? Any time some place I've never heard of has a "contest" like this it gives me serious pause, nice to see I'm not the only one.

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    6. Re:give us your data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Funny, considering all of that except the email address is public record, and easy to access electronically (although not necessarily for free, but cheap in bulk). If that is all that stood in the way of identity theft, then making a new email address pulling the rest from public record would be so trivial it doesn't matter whether or not you put that information into a website.

      Knowing a particular email address is associated with a particular interest (e.g. SBCs) on the other hand is not part of public record and something worth a small amount to advertisers for actually knowing, but isn't a slippery slope to identity theft.

    7. Re:give us your data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can we give a meaningful vote if no single person used more than a few of these machines, and remembers some media hype on a bunch more, but far less than all?

      Which might be why the survey only asks you to rank your top three favorites in order, instead of asking you to vote and rate all of them...

    8. Re:give us your data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OTOH if you wanted to gather a shitload of personal info this would be a cheap as hell way to do it,

      I would think if you wanted a "shitload" of personal data, you would pick something less esoteric than single board computers.

    9. Re:give us your data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Unless they're particularly interested in the personal info of a specific subset of the population.

    10. Re:give us your data by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would think if you wanted a "shitload" of personal data, you would pick something less esoteric than single board computers.

      Random personal data isn't worth much. You can get that from the phone book. But names and emails associated with a specific esoteric interest are worth far more. I am interested in SBCs, embedded Linux systems, FPGA boards, ASIC services, electronic CAD, oscilloscopes, etc. I have spent $10k or more of my own money on this stuff, and influenced several million $ on behalf of my employers and clients. My email, phone number, and physical address would be worth something to a company with a new and interesting product in this area.

    11. Re:give us your data by Khyber · · Score: 2

      "Nice to know I'm not the only one whose first thought is "Who in the hell is gonna have enough experience with 53 fricking SBCs to actually give a rating on anything other than name recognition?"."

      Any engineer able to read datasheets could give a theoretical review and rating.

      Good thing I'm competent enough for that. Are you?

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    12. Re:give us your data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am interested in SBCs, embedded Linux systems, FPGA boards, ASIC services, electronic CAD, oscilloscopes, etc. I have spent $10k or more of my own money on this stuff, and influenced several million $ on behalf of my employers and clients.

      I've highlighted the part of the your information this survey could actually extract. The rest of the info, especially about the amount of money and influence you have with such products, is not something the survey would get.

    13. Re:give us your data by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Knowing a particular email address is associated with a particular interest (e.g. SBCs) on the other hand is not part of public record and something worth a small amount to advertisers for actually knowing, but isn't a slippery slope to identity theft.

      My point is every puzzle has a entry point.

      Your point Mr A.C was that it was an email address when, in fact, it was a whole lot more. So just stop back-peddling because you are just wasting everybody's time, including your own.

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    14. Re:give us your data by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Any engineer worth having though also would understand that said "theoretical review" is only a very rough guide and would definately want to perform a more practical evaluation to determine things like how shitty the software support was and whether the needed functionality actually worked before committing to using the board in a design.

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    15. Re:give us your data by Khyber · · Score: 1

      That's what circuitry simulators are for.

      Next!

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    16. Re:give us your data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was no backpeddling. Nothing you've said or pointed out changes that using a throwaway email address makes the information they get useless for identity theft. Even if you use your normal email address, they wouldn't have access to your email, so it wouldn't help them sign up for things, or get password resets, etc. If your banks and other accounts are with companies that will give out access to anyone who just knows your address and email, you've got bigger problems than deciding to enter a stupid contest or not. You're not gaining much security by just sitting around and hoping no one looks in the white pages. Now if they asked for a SSN or bank account information to transfer prize winnings into, that would be a whole different story.

    17. Re:give us your data by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      BS.

      You will not get the HDL for the SoCs on the vast majority of SBCs and even if you could running HDL in a simulator is EXCRUCIATINGLY slow. There is a reason chip designers spend massive ammounts of money on large FPGA rigs, being able to run a design in progress at 1/10th realtime or so is a massive improvement over running it in a simulator.

      So anything you can drop into your "circuit simulator" to represent the SBC will be at best a crude approximation. If you are really lucky you might get a crude IO approximation hooked up to an emulation core that roughly approximates the processor. More likely you won't even get that.

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    18. Re:give us your data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here, I almost participated in the survey but the prize was stupid.

      Odroid C1 was the best on that list from a glance($$$/performance & cm^2/performance) but the Jetson TK1, Odroid-Xu3, and Intel Galileo all have their own niche applications:
      https://communities.intel.com/thread/45336

      I'm partial to the Xilinx Spartan-6 FPGA LX9 MicroBoard as a "learning Verilog/VHDL" FPGA starter board, but I'll confess to being pretty inexperienced with FPGAs.

      Arduino Due clones are the only Arduino's I'll even look at these days, but it's hard to beat a Teensy 3.1, Arduino Nano, Uno, or Pro Mini for getting people interested in programming.

      That's the dumb part about this survey: the question is application specific(multidimensional), not a one dimensional spectrum. I'm tempted to throw up a Donnie Darko quote...

    19. Re:give us your data by Khyber · · Score: 1

      The reasonable approximation is good enough. Try again when it isn't and things ultimately fail - not happening any time soon. Man can make it, man can break or remake it. End of story. If you can't accept that, re-check your reality.

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    20. Re:give us your data by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      There was no backpeddling. Nothing you've said or pointed out changes that using a throwaway email address makes the information they get useless for identity theft.

      A throwaway email address has no impact on the value of the physical, real world address data, it is irrelevant because the real world data does not change often.

      The physical address remains the same and it remains a vector for ID theft to anyone creative enough to exploit it. Notice I said "vector" as in one piece of information, not everything. You say you should mock me but your lack of imagination to figure out how it is done is mockable.

      Caution isn't paranoia and my point is that you are giving away your address details because you might win a prize. That doesn't change the fact that that information remains a vector for id theft when your original point was about email addresses.

      If you don't think it's that bad releasing that information then include your real name, address and the other details in your response with a disposable email address and I'll show you what I can do with that information. I'll guarantee you might win a prize from supplying me with your real name and address.

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    21. Re:give us your data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about a practical review and rating?

  4. Dick off, Dice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd be more than happy to fill in your survey.

    All you've got to do is send me one of each of these SBCs (free) so I can evaluate them properly.

    I mean, it's only logical, right?

  5. haxx0r boards be like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    gonna git ya thrown into jail with NO 4th amendment rights

  6. Re:ehh... by gl4ss · · Score: 2

    I'd rather care if it can run step steppers 100khz+ rates reliably rather than if it has quad core or even 1ghz.

    da faq though about the survey...

    like.. the fuck do they expect to get answers on if boards that are not available are good or not? I was hoping it would be a good list of boards that can be bought, like, right now.

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  7. Distinct lack of SATA ports by Anomalyst · · Score: 1
    Only the minnowboardMax [http://www.minnowboard.org/meet-minnowboard-max/] provides a SATA port and according to the FAQ the SoC doesn't support port multipliers although expansion via mPCI is hinted at (no HW recommendations to accomplish it, though) and it appears to be limited to 2GB max. ZOTAC just announced a new box, the RI531 [http://www.zotac.com/news/press-releases/article/archive/2015/may/article/zotac-elevates-the-mini-pc-with-all-new-r-series.html], but I doubt it will be under $200, even barebones (no disc, no mem),$399 more likely.

    What I would really like to see is Arm 64bi@1Ghz+t, RTC, 4GB+, 2 SATA (power&Data, 2 ethernet (PoE in [& out with extern P/S] would be nice) with Arch or Fedora 22 linux on bootable SD and a case to mount 2 2.5 drives and the board.

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    1. Re:Distinct lack of SATA ports by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      At least 7 of those boards have SATA ports, and one has mSATA support. Just do a ctrl+F for 'SATA'...

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  8. Minimum specs? by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 2

    Ehh...

    Whether something is worth my money or not, depends on what value the thing has to me, in cases where I am spending the money. For whatever reason. Note that "specs" isn't even mentioned in that sentence.

    Apparently for you, anything under quad core / 1 Ghz / 1 GB = no value. For others though, that may be different (again: for whatever reason).

  9. THIS ONE WEIRD SCIENTIFIC TRICK.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... it's called linguistic deletion

    http://www.angelfire.com/nd/danscorpio/lang.html

  10. Unknown acronym in the title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    never seen SBC before....

    1. Re:Unknown acronym in the title by RavenLrD20k · · Score: 2

      ...to rate their favorite hacker SBCs from a list of 53 single board computers...

      Well, it's a good thing that DeviceGuru wrote the summary to include the acronym again...and then the definition just a few words away from it.

  11. 1 of 20? by seven+of+five · · Score: 1

    You mean, my cousin?

  12. DISCOVERED BY A MOM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and you too can make $7,563 a month by searching Google!

  13. Specs for what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The specs are a function of the app. If your SBC's job is to sit in the garden and read 3-wire sensors and send a message by RFM69 radio to the fileserver in the house, then no, you don't want a quad core GigaHertz machine. Your specs are inferior to an 8 MHz Arduino Pro Mini, because your piece-of-shit computer drains the tiny LiPo in a few minutes instead of a few months.

    (You have just given some of the stupidest advice I ever heard, and therefore I think you are a stupid person who doesn't know anything about computers. Stupid and ignorant. And you spouted off, too, so we have arrogance in there as well. Stupid, ignorant, and arrogant: that's you. You don't know anything, you don't have the capacity to change that, and you don't have the desire. I bet the chicks are ringing your mom's doorbell constantly, always asking her if you're home and if you can come out and play, huh? No? Imagine that! Well, at least if the chicks don't want to have anything to do with you, nerds do, right? Oops, no, that stupidity and ignorance thing is there again. "Hey, AC says the job needs a gigahertz and a gigabyte!" one says to another, and then they laugh their asses off at the technical blank slate of your mind. Your garden sensor only runs for a minute, and your realtime ray tracer gets about 0.75 FPS. You fail consistently, with your rote parroting of the canned answer that is almost never correct unless by random chance. Because you don't understand anything, and just remember a few phrases you overheard one of your customers say to another, when you were cutting their hair at the salon. But maybe you can use those words, ah yes, "anything under that is not even worth your money," yes, in some moment of desperation those words might finally get you out of mom's house, and in a less humiliating job, or it could even get you your first kiss. Surely, there has got to be some pre-recorded phrase you can utter, that will some day fool someone into thinking that there is a person behind your eyes. Well, you totally flubbed up this time, I'm afraid. Your bullshit got spotted immediately, because you were talking about computers on Slashdot. But keep trying! That girl you trade shifts with at the salon: maybe she won't understand the stupidity of your "minimum specs" or at least won't catch on until after you've already lost your virginity. Could it be? Is this the mindless phrase that will work, if only (only only only! You're got to hope!) she is also just as ignorant about computers as you.)

    And that gets to the heart of the "article"'s stupidity. You can't objectively rate any of this stuff relative to one another. Before you know whether an Arduino or a Teensy or Pi or Edison or multiple LGA 2011 Xeons is "better" or "worse," you have to first answer: what's it for?

  14. 1080p, flash were the big criteria for me by billstewart · · Score: 1

    Last year I was looking into getting either a Raspberry Pi or Beaglebone Black. BBB had a newer ARM rev for the CPU, so it can run more kinds of OS. But the RPi has the removable flash as its drive, so you can easily load whatever OS image you want, change OSs by switching flash chips, and if you hose it too badly you can take it out and reload, without worrying about whether you've bricked the board. Also, the specs at the time said the RPi had a better GPU, and could do 1080p at 60 Hz vs. only 30Hz for BBB, which means I can plug it into TVs and monitors without as much flicker. I chose the RPi.

    BBB nominally costs a bit more, but by the time you buy cases and power supplies and flash and such, it pretty much balances out.

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