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Monitoring Brain Activity With Mesh Electronics

An anonymous reader writes: Medical researchers have long known that bioelectronics could substantially improve patient diagnosis and treatment, but the difficulty in putting that circuitry into place kept more traditional options at the forefront. Now, a team of scientists has found a clever way to deliver flexible electronic meshes via syringe, which could make it easier to monitor complex brain activity without dangerous surgery. "The scientists demonstrated they could inject a 2mm wide sample of the mesh through a glass needle with an inner diameter of only 95m. During injection, the mesh structure continuously unfolds as it exits the needle. Injection of the mesh through a needle with a 600m inner diameter produced similar results." The team has already tested the technique on rodents, and found minimal response from astrocytes, cells involved in repairing damaged brain tissue. They were able to record the rodents's brain activity as well.

31 comments

  1. I have a bad feeling about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    95 meters is kinda big for a needle

    1. Re:I have a bad feeling about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As is 600 meters.

    2. Re:I have a bad feeling about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's a Slashdot girlie thing- leaving off the Micro- prefix. Orders of Magnitude are _hard_.
      Thus micrometer is reduced to m.
      A microprocessor is just a processor.
      A microscope is just a scope.
      Microcode is just code.
      One is supposed to gather context by mind-reading; the classic Slashdot girlie trait.
      Expect an upcoming Roblimo video where some neckbeard merely stares into the camera with hypnotoad eyes for 20 minutes. A full transcript will be provided.

    3. Re:I have a bad feeling about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they're testing on RoUS'es?

    4. Re:I have a bad feeling about this by Ihlosi · · Score: 2

      Things get really confusing when you omit the prefix on microphone ... or Microsoft.

    5. Re:I have a bad feeling about this by ray-auch · · Score: 2

      More worrying is what the hell kind of rodent they have created where you need a 95m needle to inject into the brain...

    6. Re:I have a bad feeling about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot Barbie says, "Unicode is haaaaaard!"

    7. Re:I have a bad feeling about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Slashdot Barbie" is just _brilliant_.
      I hope this concept bubbles up above AC Status.
      (I doubt that it will be an allowed Slashdot Tag, although it is desperately needed.)

  2. Who did this? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

    The scientists demonstrated they could inject a 2mm wide sample of the mesh through a glass needle with an inner diameter of only 95m

    The system, Tiny, Angstrom-level Regional Dermal Injection System, or TARDIS, benefis both medicine and research.

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    1. Re:Who did this? by Barny · · Score: 1

      Yeah, FTFA 95m is actually the measurement, not meters.

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    2. Re:Who did this? by Barny · · Score: 1

      Dafuq? It seems that slashdot is actually cutting off the Mu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    3. Re:Who did this? by feathersmg · · Score: 2

      In this case, people often use "um". This is far less confusing than "m" which is the official abbreviation for "meter".

    4. Re:Who did this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      um, are you sure about the part where it's less confusing?

    5. Re:Who did this? by shaitand · · Score: 0

      Less confusing would have been for the standards body to make the abbreviation "um" in the first place and skip non text characters on official units of measure.

  3. Geezzze GET YOUR UNITS RIGHT. m is not mmj by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    95m is right about 300 feet. I don't thing such a "needle" could inject anything. Squash the target maybe, but only if the rim hits it.

    1. Re:Geezzze GET YOUR UNITS RIGHT. m is not mmj by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
      I don't thing such a "needle" could inject anything.

      I guess you don't need to inflate small asteroids on a regular basis?

  4. Look at the bright side: by Ihlosi · · Score: 2
    No chance of headache. In fact, you won't feel anything at all .. permanently.

    In unrelated news: 'm' is not an abbreviation of 'micron'.

  5. A new low? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have slashdot editors reached a new low? Or do they want us to make "your momma" jokes?

    1. Re:A new low? by VorpalRodent · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Yo momma so fat, her insulin come from prototype mesh electronics delivery mechanisms" just doesn't have that same punch.

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  6. What a syringe that is! by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    "The scientists demonstrated they could inject a 2mm wide sample of the mesh through a glass needle with an inner diameter of only 95m.

    The more significant achievement seems to be, at least to me, creating a syringe with an inner diameter of 95 meters.

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    1. Re:What a syringe that is! by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "The more significant achievement seems to be, at least to me, creating a syringe with an inner diameter of 95 meters."

      I'm actually more impressed by the creature of a rat who requires a 95 meter i.d. needle for a brain injection. You be afraid of dinosaurs being brought back. I'll just be back here hoarding cheese to appease our new overlord.

  7. The original Ars Technica article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...had the "micro" prefixes where appropriate. Thus:

    "The scientists demonstrated they could inject a 2mm wide sample of the mesh through a glass needle with an inner diameter of only 95m. During injection, the mesh structure continuously unfolds as it exits the needle. Injection of the mesh through a needle with a 600m inner diameter produced similar results."

    1. Re:The original Ars Technica article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drat. It dropped the "micro" prefixes. Again. Somebody please fix this editor bug...

      Replacing "micro" with "u":

      "The scientists demonstrated they could inject a 2mm wide sample of the mesh through a glass needle with an inner diameter of only 95um. During injection, the mesh structure continuously unfolds as it exits the needle. Injection of the mesh through a needle with a 600um inner diameter produced similar results."

  8. Neat, but... by Rei · · Score: 1

    ... ideally what we really need to get to eventually is the point where we can read all neurons at the same time. Injectable meshes aren't going to cut it for that.

    The best I can envision is injecting bioluminescent proteins into the brain that flash when different types of activation or chemical concentration are achieved in different neurons. Ideally they'd flash at different frequencies for different cells by having the color adjusted by various local concentrations of chemicals that vary between cells, but it'd be workable even if you only have one color for all neurons. You'd then need numerous 360-degree digital photosensors (wired or wireless - ideally the latter) scattered throughout the brain, recording the flashes of light and correlating the different directions the light comes from with corresponding neuron activations.

    The key difference between that and a mesh is that a mesh has to touch and individually measure each cell - nearly a hundred billion perfectly positioned connections, each connection with the hardware to encode the activity into packets to transmit out of the brain. But if you have one optical micro sensor that can read the flashes from a million nearby cells, you don't need nearly 100 billion individually wired connections, you need 100.000 microsensors, each with the processing power of a modern digital camera. No, we're not to that point with today's technology. But we're sure a heck of a lot closer to that than to being able to wire up nearly 100 billion neurons individually.

    Of course, such a situation could be run in reverse: adding photosensitive proteins to neurons to cause or suppress activation in them, and having the ability to project light at high resolution in 360 degrees to trigger or suppress individual neurons. However, I expect that'd be more challenging without having neuron-specific activation frequencies. It's one thing to see a flash passing through a dozen neurons on the way to the sensor and figure which neuron was activated based on the shape of the flash, but if you're projecting through parts of a dozen different neurons to try to activate one further away, you risk activating them as well.

    To me, the ultimate goal of all of this would be to enable a gentle end-of-life transition to a digital mind. If we reach the point where we can accurately simulate brain function given sufficient input data, then we can one by one: A) pick a neuron, B) begin to simulate it, C) suppress its actual firing, D) activate its neighbors based on its simulated firing, E) trigger apoptosis in the no-longer-needed neuron. Then move on to its neighbors, one by one, until there's nothing left of the brain but the simulation.

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    1. Re:Neat, but... by thedonger · · Score: 1

      ... ideally what we really need to get to eventually is the point where we can read all neurons at the same time. Injectable meshes aren't going to cut it for that.

      Already been done: https://youtu.be/Skxhii6VFdo

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    2. Re:Neat, but... by shaitand · · Score: 1

      But why turn off the source brain or wait for death?

    3. Re:Neat, but... by Fortran+IV · · Score: 1

      It's wonderfully ironic that, with your signature, you're the first poster to actually comment on the story instead of the 95-meter needle.

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  9. Anyone else immediately think about Scorpius? by daboochmeister · · Score: 1

    Shades of John Crichton's implant ...

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  10. Microcephaly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't like the "girlie" part, limited cognition is not gender based.

    However, perhaps they suffer from microcephaly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcephaly which we would just render as cephaly.

  11. unit loss by epine · · Score: 1

    The missing micron is quite a bit funnier if you've just skimmed another recent story submission:

    [Philae's] seven months of lost data were completely unnecessary, and resulted solely from the world's nuclear fears.

    We don't even need to bring up Tepco, which is just as well since plutonium is a different beast. We are talking plutonium, aren't we?

    Mars Climate Orbiter

    However, on September 23, 1999, communication with the spacecraft was lost as the spacecraft went into orbital insertion, due to ground-based computer software which produced output in non-SI units of pound-seconds (lbfÃ--s) instead of the metric units of newton-seconds (NÃ--s) specified in the contract between NASA and Lockheed. The spacecraft encountered Mars on a trajectory that brought it too close to the planet, causing it to pass through the upper atmosphere and disintegrate.

    No worries. Better theirs than ours.

    If News for Nerds still can't handle Unicode in 2015, I think the human race needs to pull in their horns, and stick to long baths and the companionship of bright-yellow rubber duckies.

  12. 600 freakin' *meter* diameter needle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not usually scared of needles, but I'll be steering well clear of that one.