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Microsoft Funds First US-Based Chinese Research University Degree Program

theodp writes: Microsoft will give $40 million to help fund a graduate-school program with the Univ. of Washington and China's Tsinghua University. The Global Innovation Exchange, which will be located in the Seattle area, marks the first time a Chinese research university has established a physical presence in the U.S. The center will open in 2016 with the goal of attracting 3,000 students within a decade, according to Microsoft general counsel Brad Smith. UW Interim President Ana Mari Cauce and Tsinghua President Qiu Yong made the announcement Thursday afternoon in downtown Bellevue, accompanied by Gov. Jay Inslee and Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella. Both Cauce and Smith waved off concerns about the possibility that a partnership with a Chinese university could lead to corporate espionage or hacking. "The solution to mistrust is more contact, not less," said Cauce, whose UW currently hosts 3,500+ students from China.

27 comments

  1. Riiiight by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    "The solution to mistrust is more contact, not less,"

    I had some philosophical bog roll with quotes like that on it.

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    1. Re: Riiiight by GrantRobertson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course that only works if the other party is actually trustworthy.

    2. Re:Riiiight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Silly me, I would have thought the solution to mistrust is more honesty. Hey, federal government, are you listening to this?

  2. Sure, help the enemy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "“Helping Chinese universities or the Chinese government get global branding definitely provides a very good view to the government, which is good for building up the relationship between Microsoft and the government.”

    Wow Microsoft, that's sure nice of you, after having built your empire on the backs of hard working Americans who paid you big dollars for your software, to take some of your easily earned money and support a country who is pointing nukes at us. Hey, why don't you do the same for Russia and North Korea? Oh, that's right, they don't have over a billion people who may want to buy your products.Or maybe you're long-term play here is to foster international competition by training up a large number of foreigners who will go back and work in their own country (oops, I mean form IT consultancies that will provide much needed staffing (spies) to American companies through H-1B visas, because, after all, Suckerberg really needs some help).

    1. Re:Sure, help the enemy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Another Merican propaganda drone! I bet you don't even see the problem with Reps & Dems arguing.

      Do you believe the Sony hack was North Korea? How do you think the North Korean's hack using their Commodore Vic 20s at 300Baud? Sony was an inside job most likely an underpaid IT worker.

      When was the last time the Chinese invaded or attacked anyone? China is determined not to be invaded again that is why they are pushing their military might. You should read up on WWII.

      H1-Bs are an American corporatist/capitalism problem! I am American. If the CEOs did get such massive pay checks, bonuses, the corp would have more money to pay employees. If Wall Street didn't demand repeat increases year after year in earnings/dividends, then those same a-hole CEOs wouldn't be cutting operating expenses and shipping your job over to India/China for 1/4 the pay. Think about that next time your whining at some person 8,000 mi. away about your Internet that is not working.

      Why do you think relations with Cuba have increased after 50 years? Answer: Corporations want the cheap labor and a place to peddle our high fructose corn syrups and sugary things to make people fat so they need our pharmaceutical drugs to slow the effects of diabetes!

      Quit watching Faux News and read up on history, and START THINKING FOR YOURSELF! You are part of the problem.

    2. Re:Sure, help the enemy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If Wall Street didn't demand repeat increases year after year in earnings/dividends,

      Not just wall street. Also people who have invested money in retirement funds based on the stock market. If the big corps don't pay their dividends, a lot of people won't have a retirement.

    3. Re:Sure, help the enemy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol bro, perhaps you missed the sarcasm in my post; I really don't get your reply. Damn right, I am an American propaganda drone - if you think there's a better place to move, pack up and get on your way. Sure, we have problems. And you probably think, as I do, that 100% of congress needs to get replaced...EVERY election cycle. But we're still far better off overall than other countries. I hate supporting communist countries that point nukes at us, so crap on buying Chinese products and supporting the education of Chinese citizens who come over here on education visas, then stay on to work (spy) for the motherland. What - the Sony/North Korea hack...who cares. The Chinese pushing their military might...well, we're certainly propping up their country enough for them to build their military, so screw republicans, democrats, independents, and U.S.-based corporations run by idiot CEOs for doing business with China and manufacturing stuff in China so thee CEOs and investors can get a bigger personal payoff. I'm with you on the H1-Bs, again, screw the CEOs, but maybe you missed my point. And I quit paying the Cable guy back in 2010, so I haven't seen FOX, CNN or any other news in several years. I do think for myself, hence my post, which boils down to - screw Microsoft (any anyone else) for supporting anything to do with training the enemy. And China is an enemy....the United Kingdom, France, India and Israel have nukes....I'm pretty sure none of them are pointed at us.

    4. Re:Sure, help the enemy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, I don't think Microsoft expects the Chinese to buy their products. No Chinaman has ever bought a legit copy of Windows. None of them are that dumb: they know that computers excel at making perfect copies of data, and that these copies should come at no cost because no effort went into making the copy.

    5. Re: Sure, help the enemy... by Claus-DieterOhl · · Score: 2

      Idiot

    6. Re:Sure, help the enemy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When was the last time the Chinese invaded or attacked anyone? China is determined not to be invaded again that is why they are pushing their military might. You should read up on WWII.

      And here's where you lose it in earnest. The Chinese are developing a blue water navy complete with aircraft carrier. In addition, check out the shenanigans in the South China Sea right now before mouthing off with grossly inaccurate drivel.

      They will have expeditionary forces shortly, all thanks to their trade with the USA.

    7. Re: Sure, help the enemy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idiot

      Idiot...why? China is at war with America and is doing its best to steal every secret they can. Its time to call things like they are and that means calling out the Chinese for what they are

    8. Re: Sure, help the enemy... by Claus-DieterOhl · · Score: 1

      Get rid of your war language and meet some Chinese people.

  3. More contact, or more leakage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it's just contact, nobody worries. However, it's more like a leakage than contact.

  4. Misdirected Trust by sdinfoserv · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When the Chinese have proven themselves time after time to be untrustworthy, and responsible for innumerable hacking, how does 'more contact' resolve that? Do some research on the Sandia National Labs hack... The Chinese had a spy AT the lab. Disclosure: I run a small ISP.. the VAST majority of hacking attempts against my organization originate from China. Just this week, I blocked 3 class C ranges that belong the the University of China.

    1. Re:Misdirected Trust by ADRA · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Does this have more to do with 'evil chinese hacker swarms' or more to do with poorly secured networks being abused by parties unknown? Seriously, I'm no hacker but I'd have enough brains to never launch attacks directly from my loc when there are perfectly weak targets to channel attacks through. And lets forget entirely about TOR because systems attacks through TOR could never be a thing.

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    2. Re:Misdirected Trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does it matter? Bussiness are just out to make some money. However I think Microsoft is way too late to the game, they might still make an extra buck to treat their own investors with some extra value. All countries are hacking anyway, but Western countries no longer have to hack, they have just taps on stratigical places. So for us it is easier to see that the Chinese try to hack. For me there is not a lot of difference between east and west in that regard.

      A company in my country already created an university and a business way back in the 60's in to research diseases. It made them lots of money. Their initiative created the biggest pharma industry in China, until it became nationalized (of course), but despite this event they still made billions in the 70's and 80's (values that are even higher 40 years later). As a matter of fact, they could whine about how bad they were treated over there in China and received a huge cut in taxes as a compensation from our government (and apparently for life time).

      We as the average person can think what we want, when money is to be made, our voice doesn't count. I've a friend who started a business in China, importing European luxury cars. He made tens of millions with his business but the business ended with his (western) engineer being put in jail for no reason and his shop being closed (he assumes that the Chinese wanted to now how the cars were made, but the engineer was just someone who could service the cars). He still won the lotery though, and what would he care for that engineer? That's something for the (government sponsored) diplomats.

      It simply doesn't matter what we think. We have imported too many north Africans/middle Asians in our country. They were a cheap labor force for our strugling mining industry (the H-1B of that time). They would only come to work here and than go back to their mountain village in their countries. Currently 9% of our population are descendants from this wave of immigration, because they never went back home. The big mining industry made some money for another decade, but are now closed anyway. And the average person has to deal with the new situation. There is nothing wrong with immigration, as long as they are here to integrate. But there is something wrong when they are imported as cheap labor with false promises. It it just a big group of people who never even tried to immigrate (and they had no reason either). People who keep living with a mind set from the middle ages, like as if they still lived in their mountain village under the all seeing eye of God and his iman.

      And it is really easy to deal with it for the government, just let the media claim that everyone is a racist, and let people be ashamed of themselves. Also add religion to a feature of a 'human race'.

      Well when I can choose between investing in the country or importing cheap labour, I would definitely choose investing in the foreign country.

    3. Re:Misdirected Trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if you do not trust the experts that build careers around studying APTs the end result for an admin is the same. When you are logging 10k attacks an hour from a block of IP's, it really doesn't matter who is doing it. Just block the IP's.

    4. Re:Misdirected Trust by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2

      Do you think the Chinese with their Great Firewall and monitoring aren't aware of every packet that goes across their network? You're asking us to believe that the Chinese love to let rogue agents from third parties use their gear and IP space even with all of the countermeasures they have in place? Maybe for cover. Thanks for your "insight"... I'll take Occam's Razor for $2000, Alex.

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    5. Re:Misdirected Trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit! There is no University of China.

    6. Re:Misdirected Trust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Came here to say the same thing!

  5. Are we having a shortage of spies from China? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The solution to mistrust is more contact, not less."

    This is true if you think the mistrust is falsely placed.

    We need to move from mistrust of the flood of Chinese students to detecting the spies and imprisoning them instead of sending them home.
    Prison solve a lot of trust issues.

  6. Pros and Cons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On the plus side, this takes $40M from Microsoft, so that it cannot be used for other, even more nefarious purposes.

    Other than that, I don't see that any good can come of this.

  7. It might get interesting by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    I'm at UW. There have been several recent occasions where we've ended up firewalling blocks of Chinese IP addresses from accessing our department's servers. It will be interesting to see what happens if we run into a new bad actor who's on the same network as one of these new collaborators from over there.

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    1. Re:It might get interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time to blacklist the university of washington now?

  8. That went well with Nortel by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    After letting the Chinese walk out with everything from Nortel, Huawei now exists a PRC government-backed entity.

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  9. Re:Dice is ruining /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bro, are you even trying?

    If you're going to beta-troll, try actually saying something. Or is this some bizarre Nihilist abstraction of a troll, where all superfluous detail has been abstracted from the minimalist core of the dice:soylent binary?