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The Physics of Lexus's Hoverboard

benonemusic writes: Lexus' hoverboard may never become commercially available, but is it scientifically feasible? You'd need to place a superconducting material in a magnetic field powerful enough to support the board and the rider. Steve Gourlay of Lawrence Berkeley Lab's Superconductor Magnet Group provides insights, including the possibility that Lexus put some very strong rare-earth magnets underneath the sidewalk in the video.

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  1. Re: ass piss forst asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    I got 99 jmmies and your post rustled none.

  2. Garbage story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    This is a garbage story

  3. I knew it was bs from the start by Karmashock · · Score: 0, Troll

    After that hendrix board or whatever it was called, I was pretty dubious. Also its pretty clear that its using some kind of super conducting magnet... that's what the wispy dry ice smoke probably is... it could be liquid nitrogen or whatever. But whatever it is, they would have had to put something under the sidewalk. Its not magnetically levitating on concrete.

    Frankly, I'd like for them to stop trying to make prospective inventions from stupid movies real. Especially when they haven't figured out a reasonable way to do it.

    The other hover board that they even got tony hawk to shill for some how was a complete fraud. The damned thing gobbled absurd amounts of power just to levitate and could only do it on some kind of copper sheet.

    More infuriatingly the inventor was talking about levitating buildings. That is entirely dishonest because the power requirements to actually do that using their technology would have required megawatts of power... PER building.

    The technology lexus is using appears to be less obnoxious in that it probably uses a lot less power. BUT it does appear to require super conducting magnets that are being kept cool with what appears to be liquid nitrogen or something... and of course... something has to be under that fucking sidewalk.

    I'm just annoyed by the misrepresentation.

    The Hyperloop is possible. A global micro sat internet is believable. But this hoverboard shit... Even if you actually had a hover board... this is possibly the most useless application of the technology. Seriously. Think if you had some kind of levitation tech. Where would you apply it first?

    1. Construction?
    2. Trains that zip over the surface of the ocean and then seamlessly get on tracks on the coasts?
    3. Mobility for the disabled?

    No no... lets sell it to punk kids so they can do something they can already do with regular skateboards but in a more expensive and pretensions way. Because that's what a kid with a skateboard needs... I way to show he's better than everyone else that has wheels because his daddy dumped 1000 dollars on an f'ing skateboard for no reason.

    The whole thing is dumb.

    Its like inventing a human level intelligence AI and then marketing it as a blow job machine. Yes yes... people like to have orgasms... I'd sooner put a wire into your brain that let you press a button to give yourself an orgasm whenever you wanted. Then you could just sit there pressing the button while the AI was doing something more productive.

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    1. Re:I knew it was bs from the start by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 2

      Who pissed in your cornflakes this morning? I think it's pretty neat, and even better it's not costing me a thing. Personally I'd enjoy watching hoverboard races even if they're confined to specialised parks, or even better some kind of hoverboard/gladiators crossover, or football, or whatever. Let's strap these things to boots and take basketball and hockey to the next level.

    2. Re:I knew it was bs from the start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now that's just for making it float, imagine what it would require to make it go in just one direction like a real hoverboard. If you can't steer it, or carve, or brake, what's the use ?

      PS : I like your idea of using the hoverboard as a sextoy.

    3. Re:I knew it was bs from the start by yakumo.unr · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter what first form new technology comes in as long as it comes it can later be applied to anything anyone can imagine for it.

    4. Re:I knew it was bs from the start by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Also its pretty clear that its using some kind of super conducting magnet... that's what the wispy dry ice smoke probably is... it could be liquid nitrogen or whatever.

      Why are you speculating about publicly-announced details? Just because you want to complain?

      No no... lets sell it to punk kids so they can do something they can already do with regular skateboards but in a more expensive and pretensions way.

      When you use autocomplete, you should check to make sure that it gave you the word you wanted before hitting submit. Otherwise you just look like an ignorant dildo who's C&Ping other people's arguments... badly

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    5. Re:I knew it was bs from the start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AI blow job machines?! Take all of my money!

    6. Re: I knew it was bs from the start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    7. Re:I knew it was bs from the start by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      It was for marketing purposes and they never said it was anything commercially viable. They were also clear that it has to be used over a metal surface. You should get over yourself.

    8. Re:I knew it was bs from the start by Karmashock · · Score: 0

      you found a typo in a forum post... you must be smarter than me.
      https://i.imgflip.com/dakta.jp...

      You've been on the internet too long to be this stupid. Presuming superiority for finding a typo is idiotic. Aka it is the opinion that an idiot would have... I don't think you're an idiot.

      I think you're upset and want to score points. But you couldn't think of a better way to do it... so you chose... the typo argument.

      Dumb. Kindly stop being stupid. Acting stupid ACTUALLY makes you look stupid.

      Just fyi, chum.

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    9. Re:I knew it was bs from the start by Karmashock · · Score: 0

      Who pissed in my cornflakes? Hmmm... so if someone came out and said "Look at this dragon I created!"... and they made it look like they actually had a dragon but really... it was all a hoax... you'd say I was a bad person for pointing out it was a fraud? Even if lots of gullible nitwits ACTUALLY thought it was a real dragon?

      And never mind again that if this technology were actually real... the fucking LAST thing I would do with it would be to make a floating skateboard.

      Think of the invention of the wheel. Think of all the things we did with the wheel before we used it in skateboards. That is basically how important skateboards are... aka not at fucking all... even a little. Utterly without meaning.

      If I had hover technology... I could do truly wonderful things. For everyone... but a fucking skateboard? ANd its it even better than a normal one? No... its worse. Its worse than a normal skateboard. I can go anywhere on hard surfaces with a normal skateboard. I would need some special conductive track or magnetic track just to use this stupid floating skateboard. And where am I going to find a big skate track with expensive rare earth magnets buried shallowly under the road? Oh that's right... nowhere.

      I don't like being lied to and I don't like frauds.

      So who pissed in my cornflakes? Lexus/Toyoda did. Fuck them.

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    10. Re:I knew it was bs from the start by Karmashock · · Score: 0

      there's nothing new about this technology. We've had this technology longer than either of us have been alive... combined.

      They used a super conducting magnet to magnetically lock a board over a magnetic surface. I believe this is called "quantum locking"?... look at this:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      its not new and you can't use it for any of the things you think you can use it for until we have room temperature super conductors.

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    11. Re:I knew it was bs from the start by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      Why... the dream is a lie.

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    12. Re:I knew it was bs from the start by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You've been on the internet too long to be this stupid. Presuming superiority for finding a typo is idiotic.

      Actually, I was pointing out that while you were ranting, you failed to avoid looking like a tool. But I forgot who you were, and how pointless it was to explain these things. Carry on.

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    13. Re: I knew it was bs from the start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone is more than capable of seeing that Karmashock hasn't taken his meds today... But like he said, you are a tool for thinking there was a need to point this out.

    14. Re:I knew it was bs from the start by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      Agreed, if this was practical there are much better applications than a hoverboard.

    15. Re:I knew it was bs from the start by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      Wrong. it is the people that think a typo actually is relevant in this venue that are tools.

      Everyone but the tools knows that. You're obviously too proud to admit how stupid you looked back there, so just for future reference, citing a typo and then using that to support your laughable claims to superiority will backfire.

      Kindly learn from your mistakes. Having you admit them here is apparently too much to expect. So just learn. I don't think that is unreasonable.

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    16. Re: I knew it was bs from the start by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      hey bingo.

      You know, you've been trolling me so long and so predictably that other people are starting to notice you right? I mean... you're an AC that starting to get known because you're so predictable. You're not the first but it is a small and rather notorious circle you're joining there, ol' bingo the clowno. ;)

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    17. Re:I knew it was bs from the start by yakumo.unr · · Score: 1

      I was talking generally, I didn't claim this was specifically new.

      I'd been posting this video on all of my friends Facebook shares of the Lexus board already, lol.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  4. Powered By Liquid Nitrogen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Fun for all ages!
    Caution: Do not open. May freeze fingers off.
     

    1. Re:Powered By Liquid Nitrogen by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      Fun for all ages!

      Darwin will be pleased.

  5. It's feasible, but not practical by timholman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Magnetic levitation is certainly feasible, but it is almost certainly economically impractical.

    For example, Ken Pence at Vanderbilt University has built a prototype magnetic levitation platform that uses spinning NdFeB magnets. I've seen it in action. It requires an aluminum sheet underneath the platform, and uses about 20 kW of power to lift a maximum of 300 pounds. Prof. Pence's ultimate goal is to make it steerable and have a demo with students driving it around a room.

    However, Prof. Pence will cheerfully admit that the technology is far from practical for consumer use. You'd need to install aluminum sheeting under every roadway, and the power requirements for the amount of load being lifted are excessive. 20 kW is enough to push an electric car down the road at 60 mph. He will jokingly admit that his magnetic platform would only do 60 mph if you drove it off a cliff.

    So why build it? His students constructed it as part of a Management of Technology course, where they learn firsthand the practical limitations of building a "gee whiz" device. I've seen some pretty interesting gadgets come out of that class (e.g. a wireless power transmitter), but as his students figure out, just because something is possible doesn't make it the least bit practical.

    1. Re:It's feasible, but not practical by smaddox · · Score: 1

      I agree that super-conductor based magnetic levitation systems have questionable economics, at least with the current state of high-temperature superconductors. However, that hasn't prevented Maglev train test-tracks from being built.

      In contrast, standard active magnetic levitation bearings are very economically viable, particularly in applications requiring extremely high rotational speeds, long operating times, and low oil contamination, e.g. turbomolecular vacuum pumps.

  6. Yawn all around. by areusche · · Score: 1

    Call me when they have a thrust and power system that is unlike anything before. A hoverboard requiring a track and super conductors is about as innovative as someone re-inventing the wheel. If it can't go anywhere but its track, it's a pointless gimmick.

    1. Re:Yawn all around. by rossdee · · Score: 1

      Yeah, 40 years ago they thought all (passenger) railways would be maglev with linear induction motors doing over 500Km/hr and replace aircraft for medium distance... This is basically the same sort of technology. Of course we really need room temp superconductors first...

    2. Re:Yawn all around. by smaddox · · Score: 1

      If/when the price of jet fuel is 10-100x higher (which will admittedly be a long time from now), high-speed rail will make a comeback.

  7. Nothing to see here by kheldan · · Score: 1

    Oh come on people, there's no story here. Notice how the video ended just as whoever it was put a foot on the 'hoverboard'? It's obvious that while there may be magnets involved, it wasn't for-real and as soon as any weight was put on it, it was on the ground and not going anywhere. Old trick, nothing to see here, move along, people..
    At best this 'story' is just a shameless shill for Lexus, even more reason to ignore it.

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  8. Done last year and debunked too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  9. Flying carpets are better by Smallpond · · Score: 1

    Flying carpets were perfected by Arab magicians centuries ago.

    http://www.moillusions.com/fly...

  10. oops other video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  11. This is an obvious stunt by gweihir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Points in case:

    - Obviously supercooled.
    - We do not get to see how much it dips with passenger. Hence it very likely only carries its own weight, which may be almost nothing.

    This thing is no hover-board, it just looks like one. Levitating superconductors are nothing new. The only thing cool or noteworthy is the clever misdirection by Lexus.

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    1. Re:This is an obvious stunt by Carewolf · · Score: 2

      Points in case:

      - Obviously supercooled.
      - We do not get to see how much it dips with passenger. Hence it very likely only carries its own weight, which may be almost nothing.

      This thing is no hover-board, it just looks like one. Levitating superconductors are nothing new. The only thing cool or noteworthy is the clever misdirection by Lexus.

      Even if can carry a person, I don't they would want to show the result. The thing has no resistence, I doubt anyone could stay upright on it, or even get both feet on it at the same time, and if they did, it would not look cool and elegant.

  12. Magnets in the Sidewalks! by flopsquad · · Score: 1

    ... including the possibility that Lexus put some very strong rare-earth magnets underneath the sidewalk in the video.

    I don't see why we couldn't just do that everywhere. It won't cost more than a trillion dollars, and it would pretty much solve all the problems we constantly have with sidewalks lacking strong magnetic fields.

    I mean, it would create some new problems for non-hovering skateboards, bikes, carts, segways, other wheeled vehicles, people in wheelchairs, people with piercings or surgical plates, people who wear steel-toed boots, people carrying hard drives, clumsy people who drop ferrous items, people whose job it is to clean debris off sidewalks, compass-wielding explorers, and any metallic objects anywhere near street level in cities or suburbs. Small price to pay for working hoverboards everywhere!

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  13. Nanomaterials might replace rare earths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Experimental evidence for the formation of CoFe2C phase with colossal magnetocrystalline-anisotropy

    http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/apl/106/21/10.1063/1.4921789