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Wired Looks Back At 'Mondo 2000'

destinyland writes: On a day when America looks back on those who came before, Wired is remembering a pioneering technology magazine named Mondo 2000 — and sharing video of its editors' legendary appearance on a mid-90s PBS series, "The Internet Cafe". When its host questioned them about cyberpunk, they turned the interview into an ironic media stunt by providing a live, sneering cyberpunk model named Malice (wearing a fake neural implant on his head), as the words "real cyberpunk" jokingly flashed on the bottom of the screen. "At a time when few people outside academia had access to the internet, Mondo 2000 was many a wannabe hacker's introduction to the online world," Wired remembers fondly, even acknowledging that they'd "borrowed" their own magazine's design motif from Mondo 2000, in those early years before ISPs started popularizing consumer internet access.

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  1. Scanned copies by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

    I wish someone would scan the copies and make them available on archive.org.

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    1. Re:Scanned copies by t00le · · Score: 1

      I wish someone would scan the copies and make them available on archive.org.

      I don't think there is anyone that has all of the copies. I have six or seven that I found in garage sales, comic book stores, eBay and one off of Craigslist. I don't think the originals exist, although maybe it's an IP issue or not profitable to release in an electronic format since the market is so small.

      Mondo2000 was a quasi-Steampunk, Alternative Music, Subgenius, Drugs and Computing magazine that I was sad to see go away. Wired swooped in to fill the void and was pretty good until they started going for more subscribers. Wired started dropping the edge that Mondo 2000 had at a time when more mom and pops were getting online, so they went mainstream.

      The articles Slashdot has been accepting has been so shitty the last few months, but at least in this case it was something I enjoyed. :P

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    2. Re:Scanned copies by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I have just about every issue. Maybe not #1. Modo 2000 was the hot magazine at the time, and Wired was what 'the suits' said should succeed instead. It's sort of sad for Wired to be doing a 'retrospective.' Are they STILL that upset at being seen as the corporate-slick usurper?

      Mondo had articles about culture, smart drugs, cool stuff. Wired has always toned it down and been more about gadgets and spending money.

    3. Re:Scanned copies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you willing to scan them all?

    4. Re:Scanned copies by t00le · · Score: 3, Informative

      https://archive.org/details/mo... has a few, if you have some they are missing scan and upload them :)

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    5. Re:Scanned copies by farrellj · · Score: 1

      Back then, there were really a few magazines that the up-and-coming cyberpunk would read. Mondo 2000, Boing Boing, 2600, and later, Wired. Another good one, when you could find it, was TAP.

      Ah...back in the days when the gritty future of cyberpunk was shinny and new...

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    6. Re:Scanned copies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure I have issue #1 floating around somewhere. I was so impressed, I subscribed immediately and they kept sending me copies even after my subscription ran out. I may even have my Mondo pirate-baby t-shirt somewhere in my closet.

      When Wired first arrived on the newsstand, I thought it was a blatant, if lesser, imitation of Mondo 2000.

    7. Re:Scanned copies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wired was a serious magazine with real information, mondo 2000 was hippy bullshit and tasteless design

  2. If mondo was for poser haxx0rz... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    then wired is for poser cyb3r h1pst3rz?

    1. Re:If mondo was for poser haxx0rz... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wired is shit. I know a total asshole who used to write for them. By morons for morons.

  3. Can somebody explain what the fuck this is about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    That summary is useless. I have no idea what it's talking about or trying to say.

    What the fuck is the significance of this obscure magazine or whatever it's talking about?

    What the fuck is the significance of the TV show?

    What the hell is this "sneering cyberpunk model named Malice" stuff even about?

    Why the hell is this obscure crap being revived 20 years later?

    Why the fuck is a submission as nonsensical and dumb as this one even on Slashdot?

  4. I'm not sure what in the hell that video was about by leonbev · · Score: 1

    Seriously, that Internet Cafe video is horrid. Did most 90's TV news shows REALLY look that cheesy?

  5. I remember... by JBMcB · · Score: 1

    I remember Mondo 2000 as a sort of 2600, Phrack or Blacklisted 411 for liberal arts majors.

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  6. I join with many others in saying ... what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One for the grey beards?

  7. Mondo. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, but it is webscale?

  8. What the hell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a story about nothing. Either publish the original source or quit babbling!

  9. I saw it when it aired. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I had internet at the time, and I remember watching this and thinking "WTF??" But I was so used to technology being depicted so wildly inaccurately in the 90s that it was almost normal. Almost.

  10. Re:I'm not sure what in the hell that video was ab by marked · · Score: 1

    Quite possibly.

    If it looked anything like an intern had been let loose with an amiga, a genlok, and video toaster - then yes.

    If it bad eyesearing visuals that looked somewhat OK on a monitor but then smeared and bled horrifically on what looks like 2nd (if you were lucky) or 3rd gen copy 110 line video with full NTSC effects - then yes.

  11. The influences of my youth by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

    Mondo 2000. Propaganda (yeah, the artsy-fartsy goth magazine). Lots of technology and satan plus a healthy dosage of Industrial and Punk music. Yeah, I didn't make billions of dollars during the dotcom rush, but at the same time I have enough of a healthy distrust in everyone to recognize the modern CEO/Tech Pundit "talks" are nothing more than cult building.

    On the other hand, I kinda wish I had billions of dollars.

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  12. Wired Looks Back At 'Mondo 2000' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mondo 2000 during its time helped me want to learn more about the technology culture. It was a cool sort of "dark" magazine. I cherished every copy I could afford at the time.

    1. Re: Wired Looks Back At 'Mondo 2000' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree it was a nice often humorous deviation from the norm. For those of us that can remember hacking our way onto the Internet because that was the most effective way to gain access mondo 2000 was a way to poke fun at it all and not feel so secretive or threatened. Unless you know what it's like to rack up 10,000 dollars in processor hours as a ghost in the machine (among other things) in the 90's or even have ever heard of Kevin Mitnick then it's hard to explain the fear of screwing around with something that was closer to DARPAnet than the Internet we know today. Those of us that lived this were a smaller group and mondo 2000 was the funny pages. Hope this helps explain it better for those that are looking for meaning.

  13. Can't stop laughing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    at the video segment with "Malice" - the token cyberpunk. My favorite line: "Mirror shades and a challenging hairstyle define the cyberpunk look." The only person I would give a pass for dressing like that is Neal Stephenson because, well, you know.

    Seriously, my early 90's self would have hyperventilated from laughing so hard had I watched this interview at the time. No wonder the public was so enthralled with the costumes in The Matrix...

  14. Dr. Dobbs. by CodeArtisan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I used to enjoy " Dr. Dobb's Journal of Computer Calisthenics & Orthodontia" before they sold out. "Wired", while not quite as good, started off well before it was taken over by The Man.

    1. Re:Dr. Dobbs. by Eunuchswear · · Score: 2

      I met the man.

      (Worked on contract for Markt und Technic, the German (Munich) company that bought Dr Dobbs. Interesting people, trying to set up a the Well like system on Unix servers in the late 80's)

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  15. Re:Can somebody explain what the fuck this is abou by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you'd read Mondo 2000 you'd be none the wiser ....

  16. This web comic sums up it up nicely by GreyFish · · Score: 1

    and also is the origin story of hipsters: http://www.electricsheepcomix....

    1. Re:This web comic sums up it up nicely by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      That was fairly good.

  17. Re:Can somebody explain what the fuck this is abou by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

    Get off my lawn, noob.

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  18. Re:Can somebody explain what the fuck this is abou by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's simply a pathetic wistful attempt at revisionist history from a generation that couldn't decide whether to go to mars or smoke dope. Not much has changed. Unless your greek. Then nothing has changed.
    Ok, look, it was more like a printed version of facebook without a coniving, theiving punk jewboy in charge. Actually, it was Wozniac's idea of a dream job after he was fucked over by Steve Jobs, who in turn was dumped by Apple like weekend trash at a lobsterfest. I mean, you didn't miss much.

  19. Re:Can somebody explain what the fuck this is abou by drinkypoo · · Score: 1, Funny

    Why the fuck is a submission as nonsensical and dumb as this one even on Slashdot?

    Why do your parents let you use the internets without supervision?

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  20. It was unique, to be sure... by jpellino · · Score: 1

    I still have my copies.

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    1. Re:It was unique, to be sure... by NixieBunny · · Score: 1

      I bought one copy at a newsstand. I remember it most for a full page ad selling something I don't remember, in which a little naked baby boy was gleefully peeing all over himself. Not your standard ad copy.

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    2. Re:It was unique, to be sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I vividly remember that ad. It was for a mouse. In one photo, the kid is wearing a diaper and it's captioned: "feels good." In the other, he's pissing himself with no diaper and it says "feels better."

  21. Re:I'm not sure what in the hell that video was ab by miller701 · · Score: 1

    Stuart Chiefet had the "Computer Chronicles" show on public television stations, which was important to me to see all sorts of different computer technologies in the late 80s early 90s.

  22. I don't like Wired by Moridineas · · Score: 1

    Am I the only person here who doesn't like Wired?

    I remember back in the mid-to-late 90s when a friend had a subscription. It seemed like bunk to me--full-color glossy pages and a kind of self-congratulatory almost outside-in look at computers and geek culture. My friend (an artist and self-avowed geek) loved the magazine, while I (a programmer) just never got the appeal. I liked the programming magazines that gave code samples!

    I can't say I've seen an issue of Wired in probably 10 years, but judging from the Wired blog sites like "GeekDad" it seems to me that it's still full-on geekporn rather than a real technical magazine. I'm quite sure that my experiences 15 years ago have biased me against Wired, but are my impressions at all correct?

    1. Re:I don't like Wired by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2

      Wired was cool in the 90s but eventually I lost interest and my subscription lapsed. Little did I know in the fine print they would send you to collections for not renewing a subscription. Yes bill collectors were calling me over $12 for not renewing. Imagine a grocery store sending me a bill for NOT buying a box of cereal one week. Fuck Wired.

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    2. Re:I don't like Wired by NixieBunny · · Score: 2

      They have some good articles mixed in with the geekporn, although the same has been said of Playboy magazine.

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  23. Re: I'm not sure what in the hell that video was a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everything about Mondo 2000 was about selling dietary supplements. I M Sirius.

  24. R U Sirius has a lot of neonazi friends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kenny Boy Goffman aka "R U Sirius" has been the self appointed Court Jester to the psychedelic and transhumanist communities for far too many years. In reality, neither camp has anything in common and Kenny does great damage with his hucksterism and nonsensical gibberish. This crusty old hippy and now goofy shill for techno-fascism needs to shut up for once and for all. He damages what little remains of the potential for a real psychedelic culture with his boosterism for the truly evil transhumanist technocrats who oppose democracy and who cheer-lead for general mechanization and dehumanization. Kenny Boy Goffman, you are truly nothing at all but the Enemy of Relevance and the enemy of what is actually Human. Professor Dale Carrico on his 'Amor Mundi' blog has (with razor wit and insight) completely destroyed the puny intellectual rationalizations and extremely flimsy philosophical foundations of the ridiculous "transhumanist" movement. In particular he more than makes the case that the bones of "transhumanism" are in fact : fascist, plutocratic elitist, sexist, racist and overwhelmingly adolescent ie the worst case of arrested development posing as science and sound thinking ; when it is in fact nothing more than terrible and gratingly naive science fiction which has had the temerity to form a little club for the lost fanboys, nerds and wannabee fascist dictators who live in efficiency apartments and are obsessed with Japanese anime. Some of these greasy manboys are libertarians, they are even more despicable and deluded. Ending death, even if possible, would only for these lads lead to one question : can I really play Dungeons and Dragons until the entropic heat death of the Universe and still remain sexually inexperienced? If Ayn Rand wrote terrible sci fi, that would be "transhumanism." Finally, transhumanists are profoundly anti-democratic and opposed to progressive politics, as their imaginary Robot God is gonna nano up some Cyber Paradise and bring on the Singularity Nerd Rapture (IN LESS THAN 20 YEARS) when we will be 'all watched over by Machines of Loving Grace.' They were saying "less than 20 years" to Machine Utopia back in the late 1980's when the middle brow lunatics Max and Natasha More started all this Extropian E-jacyoolation and Saturday morning kid's cartoon show rolling along on its square, lumpy wheels.

    WHY ARE YOU STILL SUPPORTING and FUNDING NEONAZIS, KEN? ANSWER THAT! YOUR GIRLFRIEND RACHEL 'HAYWIRE' MENDELSON IS A SWASTIKA WAVING WHITE NATIONALIST!

  25. R U Sirius Goffman supports neonazis! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kenny Boy Goffman aka "R U Sirius" has been the self appointed Court Jester to the psychedelic and transhumanist communities for far too many years. In reality, neither camp has anything in common and Kenny does great damage with his hucksterism and nonsensical gibberish. This crusty old hippy and now goofy shill for techno-fascism needs to shut up for once and for all. He damages what little remains of the potential for a real psychedelic culture with his boosterism for the truly evil transhumanist technocrats who oppose democracy and who cheer-lead for general mechanization and dehumanization. Kenny Boy Goffman, you are truly nothing at all but the Enemy of Relevance and the enemy of what is actually Human. Professor Dale Carrico on his 'Amor Mundi' blog has (with razor wit and insight) completely destroyed the puny intellectual rationalizations and extremely flimsy philosophical foundations of the ridiculous "transhumanist" movement. In particular he more than makes the case that the bones of "transhumanism" are in fact : fascist, plutocratic elitist, sexist, racist and overwhelmingly adolescent ie the worst case of arrested development posing as science and sound thinking ; when it is in fact nothing more than terrible and gratingly naive science fiction which has had the temerity to form a little club for the lost fanboys, nerds and wannabee fascist dictators who live in efficiency apartments and are obsessed with Japanese anime. Some of these greasy manboys are libertarians, they are even more despicable and deluded. Ending death, even if possible, would only for these lads lead to one question : can I really play Dungeons and Dragons until the entropic heat death of the Universe and still remain sexually inexperienced? If Ayn Rand wrote terrible sci fi, that would be "transhumanism." Finally, transhumanists are profoundly anti-democratic and opposed to progressive politics, as their imaginary Robot God is gonna nano up some Cyber Paradise and bring on the Singularity Nerd Rapture (IN LESS THAN 20 YEARS) when we will be 'all watched over by Machines of Loving Grace.' They were saying "less than 20 years" to Machine Utopia back in the late 1980's when the middle brow lunatics Max and Natasha More started all this Extropian E-jacyoolation and Saturday morning kid's cartoon show rolling along on its square, lumpy wheels.

    WHY ARE YOU STILL SUPPORTING and FUNDING NEONAZIS, KEN? YOUR GIRLFRIEND RACHEL ELLEN 'HAYWIRE' MENDELSON IS A SWASTIKA WAVING WHITE NATIONALIST!

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  26. Re:Can somebody explain what the fuck this is abou by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We could try, but you are too much of an idiot to get it, so we don't think we will waste the time.