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Chinese Zoo Animals Monitored For Earthquake Prediction

An anonymous reader writes: Seismologists in Nanjing have set up seven observation centers at zoos and animal parks in the region to see if animals can predict when an earthquake may strike. At least three kinds of animals in the earthquake stations should corroborate each other when bizarre behavior occurs, said Zhao Bing, head of Nanjing earthquake monitoring. Discovery reports: "According to one English-language Chinese news outlet, 'At Banqiao ecological park the behavior of around 200 pigs, 2,000 chickens, and fish in a 15-hectare pond are closely monitored to detect signals of an earthquake. Breeders here create daily reports regarding animal behavior for Nanjing's seismological departments.' The news report noted that the park relies 'mainly on employees closely watching the animals' for seismological significance."

29 comments

  1. They keep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    pigs and chickens in a pond?

    1. Re:They keep by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 1

      pigs and chickens in a pond?

      They have a zoo with pigs and chickens?

      "Mummy I want to see the cows"
      "No son, were're going to see the sheep, the cows are too dangerous"

      "Mummy can we go to the farm next week and see the lions and zebras?"

    2. Re:They keep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They have a zoo with pigs and chickens?

      They have a zoo with a yellow dog in a wig being passed off as a lion: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/16/world/asia/china-zoo-dog-lion/

      Maybe fake animals can predict fake quakes?

    3. Re:They keep by xaxa · · Score: 1

      We have "zoos" with pigs, sheep, cows etc in Britain. They're called city farms, and they exist so children who live in a city can see what their food looks like before it appears in Tesco.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      http://www.timeout.com/london/...

  2. ... and the earth was not quaking ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back in 2011 thousands of people gone berserked in London, England

    I was waiting for a quake, but it never came

    Why??

  3. correlation != causation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do a scientific experiment (or maybe the whole point of the article is a hit piece against the Chinese zoo).

    Simulate P-wave in controlled environment to see if the animals can detect them.

    Otherwise, what they're doing with observing animals is not meaningful.

    1. Re:correlation != causation by codeButcher · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do a scientific experiment (or maybe the whole point of the article is a hit piece against the Chinese zoo).

      Simulate P-wave in controlled environment to see if the animals can detect them.

      Otherwise, what they're doing with observing animals is not meaningful.

      I guess if one is able to simulate a P-wave, it would be trivial to build a (technological) detector for P-waves (as in fact exists already in e.g. the Earthquake Early Warning systems of Japan). They seem to be banking on some anecdotal stories that animals are able to warn of an impending earthquake, in which a P-wave would not have been emitted yet and a P-wave detector thus useless. I say if that is the case, then such monitoring would be eminently useful, as it would either debunk or lend credence to such anecdotes, and if the latter, make a good case for further investigation into the mechanism at work that enable that ability in animals - which might then lead to "technological" detectors of such hypothetical phenomenon.

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    2. Re:correlation != causation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do your simulated p-waves generate earthquake lights?
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-...

      You might have an experiment that proves that animals can't detect simulated p-waves, but also is useless for determining whether animals can predict some earthquakes.

    3. Re:correlation != causation by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      That would not be a good experiment. Changes in animal behavior before earthquakes, and I have seen this myself in Asia, might be triggered by some phenomenon we have not researched yet. Testing with a variety of natural quakes, occurring at different distances and depths, would allow us to smoke out any such effect.

    4. Re:correlation != causation by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      As always, the hard part is getting the data into the computer, which probably can't yet reliably tell the difference between an agitated warthog and an excited warthog, except under extremely controlled conditions; I bet you could do something slick just with audio signal processing if you had one warthog alone in a sound studio, but in the real world...

      They said they were monitoring pigs, I'm trying to spruce it up with the warthogs

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  4. This is science, not voodoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And before everyone gets dismissive, that is exactly what science is about - someone has an idea and sets up a controlled experiment to test it.

    And if the experiment fails then you have learnt something as well.

    (And sometimes you learn more from failures than you do successes - at least I do in some of my experiments/projects)

  5. meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Earthquakes are highly predictable by humans, check dutchsince channel on youtube, he usually gets it right.

  6. Spiders, frogs, birds also precognize earthquakes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In many countries, people are reluctant to evict spiders from houses, because the spontaneous fleeing of spiders is supposed to to forecast an incoming earthquake. The webbing allegedly acts as a seismic antenna. Frogs and birds also exhibit confused or agitated behaviour previous to earthquakes, birds allegedly due to their sensitivity to geo-magnetism, used in their navigation skills. These signs are however, rather sybillic and only become obvious ex-post facto.

    Thus, close monitoring of the Animal Kingdom is a very promising venue for earthquake prediction, now that modern technology allows economy of scale (webcams galore) and "big data" analysis servers, which could correlate sub-noise signals coming from the observation of various species.

    In China this is a matter of life and death, as hundreds of millions of rural han people live in regions with very loose soil and millions of those actually dwell in caves dug into loose soil. In 1976, some 250 th. chinese people perished in a single M8 earthquake. Japan can afford to build seismic-safe structures everywhere, but China cannot for the foreseeable future and Advanced Early Warning is their only possible solution.

  7. Re: Chinese zoo animals are cows. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You seem to be suffering from PTSD where cows are concerned, did mommy use the same flash card to teach you the alphabet when you were a child?

    I doctor frudenstofem recommend you sing old McDonald had a farm for 3 months as therapy.

  8. People predicting earthquakes? by tomhath · · Score: 1

    The news report noted that the park relies 'mainly on employees closely watching the animals' for seismological significance."

    How do they know what is significant? I assume that after earthquakes in the past some zoo employee reported that he/she saw the animals behaving strangely but didn't realize they were trying to tell him an earthquake was imminent. This in the country that uses rhinoceros horns and bear gall bladders as aphrodisiacs.

    1. Re:People predicting earthquakes? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      How do they know what is significant? I assume that after earthquakes in the past some zoo employee reported that he/she saw the animals behaving strangely but didn't realize they were trying to tell him an earthquake was imminent. This in the country that uses rhinoceros horns and bear gall bladders as aphrodisiacs.

      Well, that's why you do ... research!

      The hypothesis is "animals can predict earthquakes and we can detect it because they behaved 'funny'". Well, we need to find out what 'funny' is. So you're going to have to do a lot of post-earthquake interviewing with the animal handlers to see what they report. And you're going to have to do observations of animals as well.

      This is going to basically amount to a TON of data collection and observation, and we won't know until an earthquake happened. And we'll have to observe a lot of animals - both of the same species, and of different species to see if the behavior transfers.

      Once you narrow down "funny behavior" then you can do research with large numbers of animals to see if they all exhibit the same behavior, if the behavior is accurate, if it's statistically significant, etc.

      The short answer is - we don't know, which is why we're doing research. But the sheer scale of the exercise (and the general lack of earthquakes on demand) may mean the study goes on for decades.

  9. Benefits by radiumburn · · Score: 1

    If nothing else it would be interesting to see the time data between different animals reactions. But I doubt any animal would give sufficient warning before the event took place. I would like to see a movie where a goat was tied to a stake and monitored by scientists 24/7 for earthquake monitoring.. and then it gets eaten by a T-Rex

  10. Zebra = horse with painted stripes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Umm ...

    A zoo in Welch (maybe they got a fake Welch in China?) has a horse painted to look like a zebra

    http://www.walesoncraic.com/welsh-zoo-fined-20-painting-horse-look-like-zebra/

  11. I'll just leave this here... by wbr1 · · Score: 1
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  12. Chickens by CODiNE · · Score: 1

    I'm assuming those 2,000 chickens are for feeding to carnivores and not part of the exhibit. Chickens, pigs and fish... Oh my!

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  13. Worth testing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone should do a fair test of the combined animal /humans watching the animals earth quake detection system is to see what's behind the folklore, and record the false positive `cry wolf' rate. Is there a way of looking at the effect of moving the zoo animals around, a la canary in a coal mine, or can you get the same from observing native species or zoo animals that were already at your chosen location?

  14. wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for a second here when i opened the comments i could swear i was on fark or reddit.

  15. Chinese Zoo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "...200 pigs, 2,000 chickens, and fish in a 15-hectare pond..."

    "...zoo. ."

    Summary spelled "grocery store" wrong.

  16. some successes with this in the 1970s by peter303 · · Score: 2

    China predicted a couple of significant quakes supposedly based on animal observations in the ealry 1970s. Then they missed the largest Chinese quake in decades in Tianjin, near Beijing, in 1976. Strange animal behavior has part of Chinese peasant folklore for millennia. Various US groups tried to replicate this methodology since the 1970s without much success. A geologist in San Jose counted lost pet ads and claimed some success. But his prediction windows were so wide they were not statistically significant. Perhaps 21st century social media could help gather observations.

    1. Re:some successes with this in the 1970s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps 21st century social media could help gather observations.

      Not quite social networking, but someone is trying to use the ubiquitous technology that is our phones and tablets. As well as cheap connected sensors.

      Quake Catcher Network. http://qcn.stanford.edu/

  17. Wouldn't it be cheaper? by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't it be cheaper to monitor soggy tea leaves instead?

  18. Bizarre behavior? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would expect bizarre behavior to be the norm when 200 pigs, 2,000 chickens, and an unstated quantity of fish share a 15-hectare pond.