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Japanese and US Piloted Robots To Brawl For National Pride
jfruh writes: Japan may have just lost the Women's World Cup to the U.S., but the country is hoping for a comeback in another competition: a battle between giant robots. Suidobashi Heavy Industry has agreed to a challenge from Boston-based MegaBots that would involve titanic armored robots developed by each startup, the first of its kind involving piloted machines that are roughly 4 meters tall. "We can't let another country win this," Kogoro Kurata, who is CEO of Suidobashi, said in a video posted to YouTube. "Giant robots are Japanese culture."
for the cheesy family movie "Real Steel"?
Did this immediately remind anyone else of One Must Fall 2097, the DOS video game that you loved growing up?
Mechanic: "Humph. You think you're pretty good, don't you. Well, if I was younger, I'd show you a thing or two."
Civilian Robots
*Yawn* Wake me when it's over.
Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur...
"Force shits upon Reason's back." - Poor Richard's Almanac
>> titanic armored robots...roughly 4 meters tall
I think you dropped a trailing zero there. Godzilla-threatening, otherwise we're not interested.
Sylvester Stallone wins the truck right?
Fuck drones. Gundams are coming!
Whichever country's version of "Go Lion" forms "Blazing Sword" first, wins! That's always the final part of every battle.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
FIFA let the US win....right....right. Watch out for them black helicopters and trucks buddy, cause you know they ARE chasing you.
Uh, yeah. World Cup champions 91, 99, 2015. Olympic Gold 96, 04, 08, 12. Olympic Silver 2000. World Cup 2nd 2011. World Cup 3rd 95, 03, 07.
'Finally let won' indeed.
At only four metres tall, I wouldn't call them giant.
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We all know how that turned out.
In the US we love big machines. The Queen Mary, the Spruce Goose, the continuous asphalt pavers, the Liebherr T 282 B giant dump truck (although Liebherr is a Swiss company), the Boeing 747-400 and Lockheed L-1011 wide-body passenger jets, the massive Abrams tank, the Nimitz-class aircraft carriers, the 280mm towed howitzer M65 "Atomic Annie", and such are examples.
See how I slipped a Swiss-built monster in there? Well, the US and Japan aren't the only ones. Germany has a 31 million pound excavator. The largest plane is made in Russia by Antonov. South Korea builds some of the biggest cargo ships.
So while, yes, giant robots are a big thing in Japanese art the urge to build huge machines is all over the industrialized world. The US and Germany have never been afraid of large engineering feats. The US has a whole industry of using remotely piloted craft for actual combat.
I don't think Japan needs to focus so much pride on this one little competition as a cultural identity issue. It's not like a US firm is going to enter a contest designing and building a robot with the intent of a face-saving loss or an honorable tie.
what do you think the research into robotic seahorse tails was really about?
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It seems the US and Japan have a long history of working together to develop the idea of giant fighting robots.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Dude, it's all competitive banter, and no more real than what you hear on ESPN and the equivalent.
I'm really hoping this goes somewhere good, it would be an interesting match and the potential birth of a new sport.
The American bot seems more durable from the thickness of steel used (Might be because you can't get a terribly good look at the cross section of the Japanese one) but the Japanese bot seems to have more advanced controls (Looks to be more of an armslave setup).
I'd love to ask the American team why they chose such a small output gasoline engine over a diesel.
I'm just curious how they would fight exactly. And since the Japanese team wants melee, what that would entail. As cool as a giant induction blade or plasma cutter would be I don't either one has an adequate power supply. That just leaves hydraulic jaws or pneumatic/combustion rams, but I can't see any of this being used due to the danger to the pilot.
I'd love to see more technical specifications.
Uh, the Queen Mary may be moored here but she is a British ship.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
Giant monster attacks during the battle and the robots must team up to defeat them. Duh.
Too bad I'm old (44) because frankly, I think we should follow the pattern of BattleTech. Get rid of the mass slaughter, and bring back the honorable fighting/killing that was the feudal system of knights.
But put them in 40m tall fusion powered 100 ton monsters packed full of highly explosive munitions and energy weapons. Yes please.
Just imagine all the technology offshoots this would create. Fusion power, myomer muscles, compact energy weapons, swarm targeting, not to mention true brain/computer interfaces and fucking GIANT robots.
The US military complex should jump on this and dump all those passe fighter plans and aircraft carriers. Combat using actual soldiers is so 1992.
We've got to get good at piloting these things before the Zentradi show up to reclaim their protoculture
If you think the US, which has won 3 of the last 7 World Cups, and 4 of the last 5 Olympic Golds, could not have won without involvment from FIFA, you must be a Dumbfuckian.
Hopefully this logic concerning culture and giant robots will not be applied to lizards.
Speak for yourself. I never see giant robots outside of the Learning Channel and Discovery's mega construction programs, even if we have unrevered/faceless giant cranes doing grunt work. They're INVISIBLE, and that's the point. Ingrained in american culture is the opposite of being 'niche'.
"Giant machines used for X task by Y [US|German] company" != "obligatory giant robot depictions outside every geeky store in Japan"
The US is more of a comics place, judging by all the Marvel and DC superhero canon here. And in those, you don't often see giant robots.
In manga and anime they waste no time making in-jokes or depicting mechs / mech pilots. Godzilla, not so much, actually.
In the US equivalent of depicting electronic tools, the most you'll see is a fetish for fancy computers (and product placement for MS, Apple, cellphone makers...) and stories of an AI-gone-rogue. Re-reading this, and to further this point, I posit that our eyes are more set on non-giant robots called Androids (no coincidence that the worldwide OS cashes in on this) as seen by iRobot, some newer movie debuting a month ago, the never-ending interest in the Terminators. In Japan, this fetish is more skewed toward the FEMALE robot side, because sex sells a lot. Over here, things are different.
If giant robot culture in the US were as visible as those Guy Fawkes masks (and stenciled graffity) have become in the past decade, I might have a different opinion.
>I don't think Japan needs to focus so much pride on this one little competition as a cultural identity issue.
Who is behind framing this as a cultural identity issue? Is it really the people involved in the competition, or is it others??
Sometimes reporting, or history, distorts the focus or some aspect of an event. For instance most of us were led to believe that Sputnik was an effort of a cold-war space-race instead of being part of an international geophysical year. (analysis of how the U.S. and others perceived it and what response followed is another matter)
Don't let others force thinking into politicized black or white choices. Do you need food, or do you need air to survive? Make up your mind.
It wasn't until studying the Owens Valley Indian War of 1864 in the context of solar cycle 10, and climate/food-supply variations, that I realized that what I had learned as the "senseless killing of bison" of the 1800's was never that at all. It was part of a deliberate strategy to cut off the food supply.
Yeah, because the previous World Cup champion knows nothing about football. Moron.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
We know what 'girls football' is.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
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Drones are saving large numbers of our soldiers as well as keeping innocents safe in conflicts. No longer need we bomb an entire city to kill one or two bad guys. That drone may have a human operator or be on auto pilot. But my point is that smaller robots may well be of more vital importance than huge robots. We do not need to stomp down cities like Godzilla. But a small drone with a small grenade flying through a bedroom window can kill an enemy without killing thousands of innocents. I do see that very large robots could get the public more aware and more eager to see high function robots and that might lead to better funding and training of engineers which is great. But in the end the tiny robot is what we really need the most. A self driving car may well have the "robotics" built into the dash board and look like any other car. The robot is essentially invisible. And the robot can actually be spread about in various nooks and crannies of a machine. We need not fixate on a robot that we can see as an entity in itself. Imagine a very simple robot such that each leg of a table adjusts so that the table is level and does not rock on its legs. The robotics could be concealed within the table legs and no one would suspect unless the table was moved and the legs needed to adjust themselves to the new place on the floor.
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Japanese robots are very cute... a little too cute.
I mean... look at this:
https://youtu.be/_luhn7TLfWU?t...
Just some 'merican smack talk to inspire the japanese to try harder.
We're over here building skynet... so your work should be cut out for you.
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I'm Spanish. My national (male) football team went from winning an Euro Cup, the World Cup, and another Euro Cup in a row (something that nobody had done before), to losing in the next World Cup group stage with unbelievable bad results. So yes, it can happen without FIFA brivery.
I think you may be missing the point. A giant robot fight simply promises to be an awesome spectacle generating fantastic publicity for both companies and the industry in general. Pre-game trash talk is just part of the publicity game.
As far as Suidobashi and MegaBots the companies are concerned this is a win-win, regardless of which robot actually wins or loses.
Nobody can beat Johnny Sokko and his Flying Robot. Mach 19, or so they say in one of the episodes. But when Johnny and What's-his-name are flying in Giant Robot's hand, their hair doesn't even move! Talk about slick!
"A robot is a mechanical or virtual artificial agent, usually an electro-mechanical machine that is guided by a computer program or electronic circuitry. "
These machines or vehicles piloted by humans are not robots.
Sometimes reporting, or history, distorts the focus or some aspect of an event. For instance most of us were led to believe that Sputnik was an effort of a cold-war space-race instead of being part of an international geophysical year. (analysis of how the U.S. and others perceived it and what response followed is another matter)
Hehe, bad choice of examples. Yes, Sputnik was launched during an IGY year of "cooperation"... but that doesn't mean it wasn't a cold war space race from the beginning. The USSR announced their intention to launch an artificial satellite nine days after the US announced the same intention. Then the USSR went forward with designing the satellite, only to discover that their original planned machine was going to take too long. Afraid that the US might beat them to it, they stepped back and focused on a simpler design so they could get it into space faster, and beat the US. As soon as their launch vehicle was good to go, they launched, pushing back some planned military test launches to do it.
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+1 "Made me laugh out loud, loud enough people looked ..."
I don't have any ;/
Yes I remember, and had completely forgotten until you reminded me.
And when the American's lose, hoards of retarded 14-year-olds will take to the Twittersphere spouting bullshit about Japan deserving that nuke in the war.
You know, like they were there.
I think any Brazilian can tell you it is possible.
Will Just fatten up an allready Obese Redneck and put him in a monster truck.
The original Gundam (79), not the later ones with the exception of one movie, was not about "Giant Robots", which was the trend of the time in Japan. Going in the opposite direction, the Gundam series was trying to bring exoskeletons, directly inspired from the Starship Troopers novel, which are just about twice the size of normal person (and yes, there was also a tactical nuke wielding model).
The (Earth) federation was supposed to have grayish squarish exoskeletons, but the studio painted them bright white. And the main protagonist was supposed to die in the middle of the series, only to be replaced by his arch-rival. But that was also scrapped. The author was trying to convey the horrors of war and if you watch this show you will notice a LOT of deaths (except without gore like a modern show such as Attack on Titans).
You can also notice O'neil tubes and some other serious sci-fi concepts in the show, which happens to be contemporary with Yamato.
You should watch this show and please don't mind the low framerate which was common in the late 70ies early 80ies due to production costs.
I think you may be missing the point. A giant robot fight simply promises to be an awesome spectacle generating fantastic publicity for both companies and the industry in general. Pre-game trash talk is just part of the publicity game.
No, no - it's about national pride. Really.
Lol. Do you have any idea what a retarded conspiracy kook you sound like, you daft cunt?
I know the fight will be boring and all but my inner-child is fidgeting restlessly. I hope Japan paint their robot red because for all we know, it will go three times faster.
In the US we love big machines. The Queen Mary, the Spruce Goose, the continuous asphalt pavers, the Liebherr T 282 B giant dump truck (although Liebherr is a Swiss company), the Boeing 747-400 and Lockheed L-1011 wide-body passenger jets, the massive Abrams tank, the Nimitz-class aircraft carriers, the 280mm towed howitzer M65 "Atomic Annie", and such are examples.
See how I slipped a Swiss-built monster in there? Well, the US and Japan aren't the only ones. Germany has a 31 million pound excavator. The largest plane is made in Russia by Antonov. South Korea builds some of the biggest cargo ships.
So while, yes, giant robots are a big thing in Japanese art the urge to build huge machines is all over the industrialized world. The US and Germany have never been afraid of large engineering feats. The US has a whole industry of using remotely piloted craft for actual combat.
I don't think Japan needs to focus so much pride on this one little competition as a cultural identity issue. It's not like a US firm is going to enter a contest designing and building a robot with the intent of a face-saving loss or an honorable tie.
And aliens love big projects as well. Don't forget the giant pyramids at Giza.
Maybe that's why we think soccer is a game for little girls. It's too easy.
I know Gui Cavalcanti and the merry band at MegaBots, and while I never asked directly about the specifics of their their business plan, it seemed like their relocation from Somerville, MA [Artisan's Asylum makerspace] to the SF area earlier this year was permanent "for the foreseeable future"
I'll be quite truthful, a lot of it looked like a mockup and didn't actually move functionally. It was a good mock up, but I don't think it is really "real".
No! It's a *SIG*. Keep the Special Interest Groups away! (Con joke!)
I don't think american Iron Man cowboys and Mecha-nized japanese schoolgirls stand much of a chance versus the Kremlin's amazing Titanium Men and Women troops.
I predict Oarai High, St. Gloriana, Saunders and Anzio will all be curb-stomped by Pravda. Maybe Black Forest would have a chance, but germans are more into saucer tech than walkers.
A game where you have an opponent - too easy? You realise that's a weird thing to say don't you? Is chess too easy? Depends who you're up against, I would have thought most people with a functioning mind would say. Perhaps you should pop over to Europe and show Messi how easy it is.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
You know, because that's a thing that usually happens in football matches.
You thought you were being sarcastic, but nope, it happens. Maybe not usually, but often enough for it to be perfectly believable without dark conspiracies.
Perhaps someone paid to lose a game might go about it in a slightly subtler manner?
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Why did you put 'cry in your cereal' in scare quotes? Do you know what quote marks are actually for? You're making it sound like cry in your cereal is a phrase that you are merely borrowing, or that you don't intend to mean what the original phrase means. Why? Is it because you're a lunatic?
I guess I should qualify and say "Too easy to beat the Europeans".