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Twitter Stock Jumps Nearly 8 Percent After Fake Report

vivaoporto writes: As noted by Re/code and many other outlets, Twitter stock jumped nearly 8 percent after a bogus report, attributed to Bloomberg News, said Twitter had received a $31 billion buyout offer. The fake story, which cited "people with knowledge of the situation," appeared on a website (Google Cache version) made to look like Bloomberg's business news page and claimed the company had received a takeover offer worth $31 billion.

The website domain, bloomberg.market (now suspended), was registered Friday, according to a search of ICANN's records. The identity of the person or company who registered it is not publicly available. Close scrutiny flagged a number of questionable elements in the report, like the name of Twitter's former chief executive, Richard Costolo, being misspelled. By late afternoon, the web page for bloomberg.market was no longer operable. A message posted on the page said, "account suspended." A spokesman for Bloomberg confirmed the takeover article was fake.

In May, a fake bid for another company, Avon Products, sent its shares as much as 20 percent higher. That offer involved a document filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Last month the SEC sued a Bulgarian man, Nedko Nedev, and said he and five others worked together to violate securities laws by creating fake takeover offers. Robert Heim, a former lawyer at the SEC, said these kinds of schemes will probably persist because news spreads so fast over social media and traders have to react so quickly.

92 comments

  1. because cyberbegging just isn't lucrative enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And scamming twits is just so much fun. For assholes. Which, let's face it, is everybody these days.

  2. good! by djradon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    hopefully this will encourage misinformation awareness or foster some web-of-trust technology.

    1. Re:good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not likely. Some moneyed interests obviously were behind the reports, made a huge pile of money from them, and they're unlikely to be connected directly with the individuals who were caught. It will happen again whenever someone thinks they can make free cash without consequence.

    2. Re:good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You've missed the point. Several billion dollars worth of value appeared and disappeared in 24 hours.

      This would seem to suggest that the value of speculation is zero.

      Why then do we have to have laws to protect against speculation by idiots?

      These are the same idiots that just made several billion dollars just disappear. Who gives a fuck what happens to them?

    3. Re:good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An AI did this. The singularity is coming!

    4. Re:good! by rioki · · Score: 2

      The stock market (tactical investment) is generally speaking a zero sum game. So a good number of people got suckered out of their money.

      What makes the stock market not zero sum is increase in money volume (inflation) and dividends (actual value produced by the companies). Because of that, unless you dabble in high frequency trading, value based investment is the best way to go.

    5. Re:good! by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      this will only encourage similar crap.

      someone made a tidy profit on it.

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    6. Re:good! by mysidia · · Score: 2

      Not likely. Some moneyed interests obviously were behind the reports, made a huge pile of money from them

      The exchange should identify the fraudulent article as the reason for the price movement and break all the trades made yesterday that involved a Buy/Sell more than 2% higher than the previous day's closing price.

    7. Re:good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not like that. Pension schemes for the working classes would have taken the brunt of the loses. The market is not a zero sum game, it collects from those not in a position to trade on an equal level. People get poorer as a result of stunts like this. Whoever pulled it should be locked away for life, and if they're an employee, so should the CEO, as it's nothing more than massive theft.

    8. Re:good! by gsslay · · Score: 1

      Why then do we have to have laws to protect against speculation by idiots?

      Same reason we have laws for all kinds of fraud. Being an idiot is not illegal. Being an idiot does not mean it is open season on you by criminals, and the law doesn't care.

    9. Re:good! by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

      Nah, it'll just convince corps that they have own every conceivable TLD with their name in it.

    10. Re:good! by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      That would take money away from the megabanks doing high frequency trading. Its the SEC's job to protect the corruption.

      The real crime here is that some nobodys also made some money on this. They will have it confiscated and will be arrested, of course.

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    11. Re:good! by smaddox · · Score: 1

      An increase in the money supply only leads to inflation if there is no concurrent increase in wealth (goods, assets, etc.).

    12. Re:good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the point though - this is the biggest fraud ever perpetraded (sic). A billion dollars is enough to e.g. keep 300 families comfortable for their entire lives. This much money appeared and disappeared just because people thought a certain thing. That's right, it's ALL FAKE.

      Instead of saying a billion dollars was lost, tell the truth: an imaginary number of dollars went up and down a bit yesterday.

      Big deal. Anyone who got burned in the process has more dollars than sense and deserved it.

      But, somebody has shat in the big boys' bed, and will have to pay.

  3. "[T]raders have to react so quickly" -- really?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Come on. Do they really *have* to react so quickly? Faster than anyone can do some due diligence? Of course, they'll say that they have to, because if they don't, their competitors will...but maybe we need some reform on this front.

    Captcha: griefs

  4. can you imagine what would happen by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    ...if something like this broke saying Apple had received a takeover offer from Time Warner?

    What about the subsequent stock run? Holy shit, that would cripple the market.

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    1. Re:can you imagine what would happen by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, several years ago there was some article posted to a part of CNN that allowed for user submitted content that claimed a person had seen Jobs being taken to a hospital after having a heart attack. Other sites started to run wild with the rumor and it caused Apple's stock to take a rather large plunge. Here's an article covering it that turned up after a quick Google search.

    2. Re:can you imagine what would happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple had received a takeover offer from Time Warner

      Right. And how do you expect Time Warner to pay for Apple? It might as well say that "Santa seen on Mars" and it would have as much credibility.

    3. Re:can you imagine what would happen by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Funny

      That gives me an idea

      If anyone sees an article about Steve Jobs coming back from the dead to lead Apple again, it's totally legit.

    4. Re:can you imagine what would happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's funny because he's dead.

    5. Re:can you imagine what would happen by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      Hey, Droppo may be lazy but he is honest!

    6. Re:can you imagine what would happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See also huckster Jim Cremer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOS8QgAQO-k

    7. Re:can you imagine what would happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Though it's not common, it's not unheard of for a smaller company to buy out a larger one. All you need to do is acquire 51% of their stock and you've succeeded. And companies can take out loans to do that if they don't have the capital to do it. And 51% isn't a hard rule. If you own enough stock that the other shareholders can't muster enough votes to go against you, you've also effectively bought the company out.

    8. Re:can you imagine what would happen by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      That gives me an idea

      If anyone sees an article about Steve Jobs coming back from the dead to lead Apple again, it's totally legit.

      Knowing Wallstreet analysts, this will actually drive down AAPL. I can see Business Insider's headline: "Apple's need to bring back Steve Jobs from the dead proves they are doomed."

      Not to mention that all the Steve-Jobs-would-never-do-this arguments from Apple critics would revert back to Steve-Jobs-and-his-usual-blunders.

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    9. Re:can you imagine what would happen by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      they acquired AOL for a while, that must've been a beast to handle. Why not Apple?

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    10. Re:can you imagine what would happen by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      you don't need 51% of the stock, you need 51% of the voting potential onside. You could (and I'm not even sure of any examples but it must by any sensibility be possible) hold a controlling influence with just ONE share.

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  5. "moneyed interests" is a bit cynical by djradon · · Score: 2

    Maybe the "interests" behind the reports were just some crazy day trader with potential upside of chump change compared to total market movement. Or, If not this time, some time soon it will be kids or terrorists or a disgruntled ex-employee.

    1. Re:"moneyed interests" is a bit cynical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not suspecting 'moneyed interests' [sic] is a bit naive. That is, those with the greatest motive and greatest means to both carry out and cover up, involving and implicating such loners as you suspect (who without substantial assistance would likely have neither the resources nor sufficient motivation). The unsophisticated and disgruntled are suckers for such schemes, without the need for any vast conspiracy.

    2. Re:"moneyed interests" is a bit cynical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it if was all of those it would be good. The worst case scenario would be that it was a trader bot.

      I always find it odd that people are worried about robots and/or AI with guns. Sure, that is bad, but you can see those. The real threat comes from AI in the finance, communication, and goods trading sectors. You infiltrate that, grow quietly like a cancer, then plunge the world into chaos. The fleshbags will, as per usual, will do the violence upon themselves once you starve them for a week.

  6. No problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bloomberg will be fined for a few million by SEC.

  7. Yeah by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

    so you can see who bought and sold, right? so track it. and wipe the accounts of any who are complicit. zero it all out.

    1. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      or maybe just stop ascribing substantial real world value to the activities of gamblers and speculators

    2. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      so you can see who bought and sold, right?

      Haha, good luck. TWTR has a Average Daily Volume of 20,664,680 trades. Today's volume was 50,045,757.

    3. Re:Yeah by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      TWTR has a Average Daily Volume of 20,664,680 shares. Today's volume was 50,045,757.

      FTFY

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    4. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't you have computers on your planet. reverse all trades regarding twitter and call it a day, or just shut up

    5. Re:Yeah by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      so you can see who bought and sold, right? so track it. and wipe the accounts of any who are complicit. zero it all out.

      The problem with that idea is that the person who profited most may not be the person who set up the scam. If they have a clue, and they obviously do, they won't be the first to trade on the news, either. They'll wait for the graph to kick up a little before they trade. So how do you plan to identify them?

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    6. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shares don't have an average daily volume. A company has X number of shares. They can split them to get more, they can merge them to get fewer, they can issue more shares or they can buy shares back, but these are all relatively rare occurrences, so the average daily volume does not apply.

      The number of shares which were traded how ever does have an average daily volume. So a correct FTFY would be "TWTR has a Average Daily Volume of 20,664,680 traded shares. Today's volume was 50,045,757."

      If you're going to be pedantic, at least be correct.

    7. Re:Yeah by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Shares don't have an average daily volume.

      Correct. Share's don't. Public companies do. Therefore we say "Company X has an average daily volume of Y shares."

      So a correct FTFY would be "TWTR has a Average Daily Volume of 20,664,680 traded shares.

      The traded qualifier is implied. Nobody bothers to add it, except for those who are pedantic. And speaking of that:

      If you're going to be pedantic, at least be correct.

      You might want to follow your own advice.

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  8. This is just so typical of Republican-ruled... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    corporations. They constantly commit fraud in order to make even more money. Watch the government do nothing about this scam.

    1. Re: This is just so typical of Republican-ruled... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not just Republicans! They're cishet white males. The evilest "people" to ever walk this planet.

    2. Re: This is just so typical of Republican-ruled... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      "cishet"? I have no idea what that means.

    3. Re: This is just so typical of Republican-ruled... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      It means you have a penis or a vagina (but not both) and that you kept what you were born with and sleep with the opposite gender. Well, I am assuming that is what it means. It is really gibberish but the root would be cis or cisgendered methinks.

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  9. .market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why generic top-level domains are a bad idea.

  10. Which traders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Robert Heim, a former lawyer at the SEC, said these kinds of schemes will probably persist because news spreads so fast over social media and traders have to react so quickly.

    Which traders are those, the meat popsicle ones or the HFT algorithm ones?

  11. Sued perps of Fake Avon Takeover?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wtf? Sued (for monetary comp) along with throwing them under the jail a la Bernie Madoff. How does a scam like that *not* come with jail time? If you stole from millions from a bank you'd sure as shit go to jail.

    1. Re:Sued perps of Fake Avon Takeover?? by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      No one stole anything.
      Some stock traders were tricked in to buying more Twitter stock because they thought it would rise further in the near future.

    2. Re:Sued perps of Fake Avon Takeover?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah.

      except the people in on the joke knew to buy early, and cash out before everyone else realized the deception

      so they pumped the market and extracted the difference as cash

      i'm not saying thats illegal, but that kind of thing makes you think a little about what 'investment' and 'market value'
      really translate to

    3. Re:Sued perps of Fake Avon Takeover?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in US of A those things translate to baloney and who has a bigger "protection" from the mafia, gvmnt, or local authorities

    4. Re:Sued perps of Fake Avon Takeover?? by gnasher719 · · Score: 2

      No one stole anything.
      Some stock traders were tricked in to buying more Twitter stock because they thought it would rise further in the near future.

      Sure. Nobody stole anything. It's called stock manipulation, and if caught, someone will do a long jail sentence.

    5. Re:Sued perps of Fake Avon Takeover?? by penguinoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Just wondering, is that a limitation on free speech in general, or does it only apply to people who tried to profit off it?

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    6. Re:Sued perps of Fake Avon Takeover?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It actually is illegal to post a rumour about a stock traded company such that the market of the stock moves (regardless of intent, yes, even if you don't buy and sell anything).

    7. Re:Sued perps of Fake Avon Takeover?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a generic limitation on free speech, anyone who manipulated the market by spreading a rumour even if you don't trade does this illegally.

    8. Re:Sued perps of Fake Avon Takeover?? by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Well, in that case I'll be sure not to ever mention any company by name, any type of company in general, or anything else that might affect the stock market. Though I suppose I'm safe because no one pays any attention to me anyhow.

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    9. Re:Sued perps of Fake Avon Takeover?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wondering, is that a limitation on free speech in general, or does it only apply to people who tried to profit off it?

      Remember, freedom of speech does not equal freedom from the consequences of that speech. Laws against stock manipulation have existed for 80+ years. A combination of this sort of "speech" plus evidence of an intent to defraud someone else is going to get someone a long jail sentence.

      In summary, society has a brain and has figured out a nice balance between freedom and responsibility. Good.

    10. Re:Sued perps of Fake Avon Takeover?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stock manipulation? That's not a general restriction. You may be familiar with the disclosures on proper financial opinions. "Author is an employee at the The Foo Investment Fund, which holds a 2% stake in Acme Inc". Even if the opinion offered in the article might affect the stock price, it wouldn't be seen as (criminal) stock manipulation because it should be obvious from the disclaimer that the author has an interest in the stock price.

      In this case, the fake report wouldn't have worked if there was an honest disclaimer. That's what makes this case illegal.

    11. Re:Sued perps of Fake Avon Takeover?? by retchdog · · Score: 1

      i see your point, but on the other hand, this does seem like fraud. intentionally lying in order to sell something people wouldn't otherwise want (or to buy something they would otherwise keep) has been illegal for a while, and most libertarians would agree that it should be. just because it's easy to do, or even if the quantities of money involved are relatively small, doesn't change the fact. it does make enforcement tricky but in principle i don't know if freedom of speech is intended to cover fraud.

      otoh, all ideas are speech and money is now speech, so yeah, it seems like there's a bug somewhere.

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    12. Re:Sued perps of Fake Avon Takeover?? by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Remember, freedom of speech does not equal freedom from the consequences of that speech.

      Any consequences of speech are a limitation on freedom of speech, informal limitations if the government is not involved and formal limitations if the government is involved.. You might as well say that you're free to murder, but not free from the consequences of murder. If the government will punish you for doing something, most people don't consider people free to do that.

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    13. Re:Sued perps of Fake Avon Takeover?? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      So if someone in Europe says something about an American company, which law did they break?

  12. Sounds like a perfect way to crash the economy by Khyber · · Score: 1

    Take advantage of those automated stock algorithms, use Twitter to falsely boost stock prices into an unsustainable bubble, watch as all the human elements do the wrong thing, and let it explode right in their faces.

    Turn Wall Street's own nickel and dime cheat game straight against them.

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    1. Re:Sounds like a perfect way to crash the economy by savuporo · · Score: 2

      Huh ? Wall Street makes money from moving money. Every up and down move, the higher volume the more of it stays at WS.
      The net result of this scam: some investors lost, some won, but traders made a commission. Twice, going up and going down.

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    2. Re:Sounds like a perfect way to crash the economy by Khyber · · Score: 1

      I guess you haven't been paying attention to China and its most recent bubble break which nailed their ass for a 6 TRILLION DOLLAR market correction.

      We could make much worse happen here in the USA thanks to the even heavier reliance upon automated transaction bots that watch things like Twitter and make trades based upon various algorithms based on language used.

      Traders might make a commission but that's not going to do them shit when the value of the dollar goes out completely.

      The losing investors will lose even harder.

      The winning investors might as well have not won at all.

      This is not difficult logic.

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    3. Re:Sounds like a perfect way to crash the economy by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      boost stock prices into an unsustainable bubble, watch as all the human elements do the wrong thing, and let it explode right in their faces.

      Like in 2008?

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  13. did they make enough to pay domain registration? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Enquiring minds want to know ... whether it's a good stock picking strategy!?

  14. The Lesson? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

    If you really want to get away with something like this, learn to spell so you won't get caught!

  15. ICANN's New TLDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will probably have increases in phishing for years to come as software eventually is updated to recognize the swath of new TLDs and either explicitly whitelist some and treat others as suspicious.

    How did ICANN justify the .any-thing-you-want proposal as anything more than a cash grab? Is Bloomberg supposed to register .market, .finance, .money, etc?

    1. Re:ICANN's New TLDs by savuporo · · Score: 1

      bloomberg.fat.stacks is what they need first

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    2. Re:ICANN's New TLDs by adhdengineer · · Score: 1

      they should just register .bloomberg

  16. Doing it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Don't they know that to do this right they need to be a billionaire and own about $7 billion's worth of a company's stock, then directly lobby the company's CEO to expand the stock buy back program to push shares higher? All the while leveraging multiple media outlets to repeatedly state that the company's stock is undervalued by half in order to get even more people to buy up shares to keep pushing that price up?

    You say you don't have $7 billion? Just run a hedge fund and make up rumors about a company, then call the company's switchboard operator in order to say that you talked to someone at that company about said rumor (or just lie that you did), and then profit from the price movement your rumor creates. Afterwords you can leverage that experience into being the host of TV financial advice program!

  17. "and traders have to react quickly" by blind+biker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Spotted the problem right there. The stock market is not a tool for investment anymore: it's a gambling house and a system to extract wealth from long-term investors. Make it compulsory to hold one's shares for at least 6 months after purchase, and the problem solves itself. Of course, the fat cats don't want this, and they are the ones who have the actual power, so nothing will change.

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    1. Re:"and traders have to react quickly" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The voters still have the power, it's just that they've forgotten they have it.

    2. Re:"and traders have to react quickly" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Day trading of any market is nothing more than a high risk gambling. The reason why it's gambling is that the players of day trading have no control* over how other people perceive the value of the investment security (or commodity). I distinguish investors by their ability to control the risks associated with their purchase; in day trading, there isn't too much you can do to control a whole market without being fraudulent. Day traders use technical analysis together with market psychology to predict and bet an outcome of the movement of market. These players play it as a zero sum game; though it doesn't have to be that way, this is how people do it.

      *no control in normal circumstances, notwithstanding market manipulation as per the fine article

  18. Re:"[T]raders have to react so quickly" -- really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because you are a greedy speculant, that's why

  19. What to take away from this... by corychristison · · Score: 3, Funny

    1. Buy stock in $LARGE_CORP, sit on it a while
    2. Register bloomberg domain under generic, believable gTLD.
    3. Create fake report about $LARGE_CORP being bought out at high valuation.
    4. Spread fake article around social media.
    5. Profit!

    I think we finally found out what the value of ??? is.

  20. Re:Not even worth 1/100000 of that by rioki · · Score: 1

    Yea, but these "fucking twits" look at ads all day and people pay to place these ads. What is so bad of a website (pen) for these "fucking twists" (sheep)? Do you want to let the run around wild? They could trample your precious flowers...

    Regards, @rioki1337

  21. and thats why you fact check by bobjr94 · · Score: 1

    Facebook, Avon, what other household names will inexperienced traders jump on soon as they read some story on a fake new site ?

  22. Re:"[T]raders have to react so quickly" -- really? by penguinoid · · Score: 2

    If you can react quickly enough to buy before the stock price finishes going up, then even if it is a fake trend you'll still make money so long as you can sell it before it drops below the price you bought it at. Of course, any money you make is at the cost of someone who was less agile/informed/lucky than you. That's zero sum games for you (technically not exactly zero sum, but it's not like the true value of a company actually changes much in a day).

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  23. just check by SuperDre · · Score: 1

    Just check who sold a lot of shares and investigate that person, he/she's most likely to be the culprit..

  24. They don't HAVE to react that quick by houghi · · Score: 3, Informative

    They WANT to react that quick. If you are working in milliseconds, this is what will happen and it encourages it.

    Obviously the stockmarket will defend its own interest and that is the trading of the stock. As long as that is happening; why would they change it?

    The stock market is just that: a market where they rent out space so you can sell your goods. They are not intrested if it is crap you are selling or great products. It is about volume.

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    1. Re:They don't HAVE to react that quick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can personally (but only anonymously of course) vouch that the target is 10s of microseconds these days. Otherwise you are too slow and will miss all the action.

  25. Re: Not even worth 1/100000 of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Twitter is making negative profit and has always done that. They don't have business model. So the worth is negative

  26. Ha, haa, haa I laugh at these jokesters. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1, Informative
    These hair trigger traders! They deserve all they get. Jumping at every whiff of every rumor of every eavesdropper near the watercooler. haaa haa haa.

    Wait

    I hear laughter, not sobs. Whats going on? Let me eavesdrop on them.

    Hair trigger trader A: "Hey Jumpin Jack, how much did you lose in that fake story about twitter?"

    Hair trigger trader B: "Come on, Frenetic Fred, you and I know both very well, we never lose any money. My index fund customers, 401K investing idiots, they lost may be a couple of billions. INBD. There is more where that money comes from. Next month they will dutifully add another 50 billion for us to play with!

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  27. Re:"[T]raders have to react so quickly" -- really? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    That's zero sum games for you (technically not exactly zero sum, but it's not like the true value of a company actually changes much in a day).

    Stop calling the modern economy a zero-sum game. It is not. It is a negative-sum game. We are spending natural capital more rapidly than it is replenished. When we run out, the game ends, and we all lose.

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  28. Can anybody teach me how to register a website ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The website domain, bloomberg.market (now suspended), was registered Friday, according to a search of ICANN's records. The identity of the person or company who registered it is not publicly available

    Can anybody teach me how to register a website ... anonymously??

  29. Re: Not even worth 1/100000 of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're so certain on that, I would recommend you short the stock, you could make some good money off that.

  30. Re:Can anybody teach me how to register a website by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

    By lying on the registration form and using stolen credit numbers to pay for it.

  31. Re:did they make enough to pay domain registration by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

    Enquiring minds want to know ... whether it's a good stock picking strategy!?

    Buy a good stock, wait until it goes up, then sell it. If the stock doesn't go up, don't buy it.

  32. Re: Not even worth 1/100000 of that by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    What Twitter is really worth and its stock market valuation are two things with no connection whatsoever.

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  33. Re:"[T]raders have to react so quickly" -- really? by penguinoid · · Score: 1

    I thought it was slightly positive-sum (though negligibly so when it comes to high frequency trading). Although that might only be true for the big players nowadays.

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  34. Re:"[T]raders have to react so quickly" -- really? by smaddox · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't that make it a positive sum game?

    Unless you include the natural capital (resources) in the system, in which case it's a zero sum game. Of course then you should also include the influx of energy from the Sun, which again makes it a positive sum game.

  35. Re:"[T]raders have to react so quickly" -- really? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Unless you include the natural capital (resources) in the system, in which case it's a zero sum game.

    No, it's obviously a negative-sum game because we're spending those and not replenishing them. If they were being replenished at the same rate that they're being depleted, as well as not creating negative externalities, then you would be correct. You aren't.

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