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China To Plant Internet Police In Top Online Firms

itwbennett writes: Websites based in China already have to abide by strict provisions for online censorship, and will often delete any content deemed offensive by government censors. But under a new plan announced Tuesday by the Ministry of Public Security security forces will be placed at the offices of the country's major websites, so that they can quickly respond to suspected online crimes. No specific companies were mentioned in the statement put out by the Ministry, but the country's biggest Internet firms include Alibaba Group, Baidu and Tencent.

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  1. Not really news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IIRC, the Chinese government, by their law, has to have board members at every major corporation on the mainland, so having this type of policing isn't surprising.

    Honestly, it would be nice if the US did similar. Companies exist only for a profit motive, and having some mitigating factors is important. Of course, there is the specter of regulatory capture...

    1. Re:Not really news... by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

      So wait... you want the government to basically have a say in every major corporation's decision? The same government that is practically owned by the same major corporations?

      Yay recursion?

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    2. Re:Not really news... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, that's where the regulatory capture comes in. For some, it's a stated goal.

      In case you haven't been paying attention, it's already happened.

      Lobbyists work for government long enough to stack the deck before they return to being lobbyists. Corporations write the laws which give them the best deal.

      Lather, rinse, repeat.

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    3. Re:Not really news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like, "Yay redundancy."

    4. Re:Not really news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why we already block baidu spiders. Don't want anyone to get into trouble.

  2. People's Commissioners? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't this sound familiar?

    1. Re:People's Commissioners? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't turn around
      oh wuh oh
      Der Kommissar's in town
      Oh wuh Oh

  3. Police this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.coinbrawl.com/?ref=1694

    1. Re:Police this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A random link, here let me just go ahead and click that. I won't get computer aids at all!

  4. And? by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And we're supposed to think this is different from Western governments demanding crypto backdoors, the ability to intercept at the data center, and secret warrants allowing them to demand all info in secret?

    Sorry, but all governments are trending towards fascism, that China is doing this surprises me not even a little.

    What we should be outraged at is the fact the governments of "free" countries are half way to doing the same fucking thing.

    Sure, it's not outright censorship yet ... but give it time.

    The difference is I don't need to give a fuck what the Chinese government does. I have no ability to stop the US government or other western governments doing the same thing, and that does affect me.

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    1. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, it's not outright censorship yet ... but give it time.

      That's right. They have to acclimate the new generation before they can take it a step further. The older generation will just become disgusted.

    2. Re: And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post has been flagged subversive, as such you will be interred in one of our re-education facilities for the common good. Have a nice day citizen.

    3. Re:And? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      And we're supposed to think this is different from Western governments demanding crypto backdoors, the ability to intercept at the data center, and secret warrants allowing them to demand all info in secret?

      It is different, but the difference is one of degree, not character. These guys will be doing a lot of work to censor everyday speech. Our guys do a little bit of work to target individuals.

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    4. Re:And? by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, it's good because it's only fascism-lite for now?

      Because, honestly, the fact that it's stepping all over the law and the Constitution to do it tells me there should be a lot more outrage than there is.

      You know, like the nationally endorsed perjury they call "parallel construction" and the police forces which want to hide the fact they illegally use surveillance technology without a warrant?

      I have yet to be convinced they actually only target individuals. In fact, I'm pretty sure what they do amounts to general warrants.

      But, no, let's keep pretending our own governments aren't trying to do the same exact thing and that it's only a little illegal curtailing of our rights and a tiny amount of ignoring due process of law.

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    5. Re: And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's right. The best place to make changes is close to home. The Chinese government is great at pointing out our hypocrisies and I think we should clean up our act first.

      But all this finger pointing at China is nothing but Western political classes distracting us from our own problems and issues.

      We need to take the stick out of our own eye.

      I may not have to worry about police executing me - as a white guy ( black people do have to worry about executions) but I worry about government surveillance like if I were in East Germany.

    6. Re: And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing but rationalisations from the parent.

      That's what my gradparents did in NAzi Germany.

      Godwin was a fucking jerk.

    7. Re:And? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Fascism does not come from government. It comes from us. It is a peoples movement. A government does what is demanded of it, or it ceases to exist.

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    8. Re:And? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      So, it's good because it's only fascism-lite for now?

      You should know by now that if I had meant that, I would have said it. It's just less bad, at this time. That's all I said, that's all I meant.

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    9. Re:And? by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      LOL, I do know that ... but I find it useful to convey the explicit outrage for the slower among us who actually think this is somehow different.

      Far too many people act as if it's really OK because we're the good guys, and miss the entire point.

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    10. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [citation needed]

    11. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are assuming that

      a) Elections are free and fair
      and
      b) that there are any alternative political parties that can win an election that do not want this to continue.

      I question whether either of these are true.

    12. Re:And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US gvt what whatever for whomever has the most money.

      You want to tell us that the "majority" wanted things like DMCA?

      All governments do things some dont like but for the greater good.. Many US laws are not for the greater good, but for the greater benefit of the few.

    13. Re: And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post has been flagged subversive, as such you will be interred in one of our re-education facilities for the common good. Have a nice day citizen.

      My doors are armed with gun-recognition capability and will shoot after a 2 second warning. The stoop is rigged to open and swallow the corpses or so-to-be corpses. The industrious insects are ready to do their bit to carry away any and all evidence. After a few hours I call the city to report police cars blocking my driveway...

    14. Re:And? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      You are assuming that

      a) Elections are free and fair and b) that there are any alternative political parties that can win an election that do not want this to continue.

      I question whether either of these are true.

      Western elections are free and fair and other parties can win elections. The problem is that people either don't vote, or they vote for an existing party, since it's hard (and for most people unappealing) work to actually get involved in politics.

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  5. Only now? by Flavianoep · · Score: 1

    I guess the news is that they had not done that yet.

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  6. I imagine by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

    You are at the office, about to hit the enter key.

    You look across the room to where the Internet Police officer is sitting.

    He has his usual scowl and does the two finger point from his eyes to yours and shakes his head back and forth ever so slightly.

    You gulp and hit the backspace key.

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  7. TenCent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FiftyCent called, he wants his money back!

  8. Essential Characteristic and Delicate gas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google's translation of the Chinese government press release:

    https://translate.google.com/t...

    Essential Characteristic pointed out that as China entered the Internet era, network security has become a matter of national security and social stability, the major issues related to economic development and people's working life. Strengthen their network of social management, maintaining network security is an important responsibility shouldered by the public security organs. In recent years, public security organs and net letter, the letter closely with other departments, in the community, especially the domestic focus of the website and Internet companies to actively participate in and support, continue to strengthen Internet security management, to crack down on illegal and criminal activities network, effectively protecting the Internet healthy and orderly development. Currently, with the rapid development of new Internet services for new applications, network and social reality highly integrated, maintaining network security task is still arduous. Network attacks, the spread of violent terrorist network information, network fraud, theft of personal information of Internet users, Internet pornography, gambling and other criminal activities and more hair, has become a prominent issue affecting national security and social stability.

    Pretty run of the mill stuff for China. Not a lot different from the steps that Britain or Australia government are taking except for the obvious monitoring of political speech, which is nothing new
    for China.

  9. Already happens for large US companies by captaindomon · · Score: 2

    This already happens for large US companies, think Google, Microsoft, Verizon, etc. I'm sure they all have on-site government reps from some major departments to make it easier and quicker to process requests back and forth.

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    1. Re:Already happens for large US companies by Hussman32 · · Score: 1

      I would be surprised if they were on-site. I'm certain they may get visitor parking, but on-site is a commitment that most companies would not want to support.

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    2. Re:Already happens for large US companies by anegg · · Score: 2

      I know because of work that I've done as a government contractor that the IRS has semi-permanent staff located at certain large businesses to aid in resolving audit issues, and similar arrangements are in place between the OCC (banking supervisors) and certain large banks. However, I have never heard of government regulators in place at large web publishers in order to keep them from publishing "inappropriate content" (or to respond quickly if/when they do). You could paint me "very surprised" (practically incredulous) if anyone has evidence of this.

  10. Our future is China today by AndyKron · · Score: 2

    Our future is China today

  11. compartmentalize it by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    you can put anyone in the company... even someone trying to fuck you over. You just know who they are and control what they have access to... even whether what they have access to is everything.

    Its not that hard.

    Here someone will say "but they're on the board of directors!"... the boards of directors are frequently mushrooms... kept in the dark and fed shit. They're often jokes. The CEO knows. The chief officers know. But the board? meh. Depends on who is on the board. Simply being on the board doesn't mean anyone gives a shit. Its why disney put some school teachers on their own board. Sort of like Caligula putting a horse on the roman senate. It means the board is pointless whenever you see that.

    As to the internet police getting access to things... mostly what the chinese want to do is flood all social networks with pro chinese messages.

    "oh I love the chinese communist party"
    "Isn't china wonderful"
    "another beautiful day in Beijing!"

    Etc. That's what they want. And if that's all they want... go nuts.

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    1. Re:compartmentalize it by Required+Snark · · Score: 1
      Not only do they flood the internet with positive propaganda, but they have lists of banned words and phrases for censorship purposes. If you want to follow this real in time check out China Digital Times. They cover all the news that the Chinese Communist Party (CPP) wants to cover up.

      Those on the net critical of the CCP are very savvy, and have come up with their own set of terms for avoiding/parodying, well, everything. It's called the Grass-Mud Horse, aka an Alpaca. The phrase translated as Grass-Mud Horse sounds nearly the same in Mandarin as “f--k your mother”. It was the title of a satyric song "originally coined to get around, and also poke fun at, government censorship of vulgar content", and rapidly became the symbol of those seeking to outwit censorship.

      As one Chinese blogger explained, “The grass-mud horse represents information and opinions that cannot be accepted by the mainstream discourse, and the ‘Song of the Grass-Mud Horse’ has become a metaphor of the power struggle over Internet expression.”

      It's very interesting. A lot of it is based on Chinese slang and history, so understanding it requires some added interpretation, which is supplied at the China Digital Times. It is very interesting and cleaver, and well worth the effort.

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  12. Repeal the 3rd Amendment by jfdavis668 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Then we can station troops in peoples homes here in the US. That way we can keep an eye on everyone and prevent crime, movie piracy, terrorism or whatever.

    1. Re:Repeal the 3rd Amendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a lot of troops. Might as well just conscript everyone and make THEM the troops, right?

    2. Re:Repeal the 3rd Amendment by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

      /. needs a "like" button.

  13. Was it just me? by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 1

    I glanced at the headline and read "China To Plant Internet Police In Top Online Farms"

    And I was thinking that you don't want to plant the police too deep.

    And make sure they get plenty of water and fertilizer.

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  14. No, not the Cyber Police! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The consequences will never be the same!