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Stingray-Like Device Enables Blackmail In S. Africa

New submitter PalmAndy writes to note that: South African Police nabbed some criminals using an IMSI catcher device, similar to a Stingray, in Johannesburg. The article says that it was made in Israel and is worth $2 million. A follow-on story says that it was used for tender manipulation and blackmail of Government officials. A corrupt government official helped procure this device, which in theory is only sold to goverments."

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  1. Doesn't sound so bad by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    A follow-on story says that it was used for tender manipulation

    Ooh. That sounds kinda nice.

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    1. Re:Doesn't sound so bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anything can happen in the next half hour...

    2. Re:Doesn't sound so bad by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      Heh. That was my first thought as well.

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    3. Re:Doesn't sound so bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> A follow-on story says that it was used for tender manipulation
      > Ooh. That sounds kinda nice.

      Not really. Tender manipulation went out of fashion with the decline of steam locomotives.

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  2. That's the appropriate use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those devices were invented for that exact purpose. Terrorism is just the chicle justification for the funding...

    1. Re:That's the appropriate use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "chicle"? Sorry, that's a baffling word.

    2. Re:That's the appropriate use by LaurenCates · · Score: 2

      It's a large piece of gum, much as a "chiclet" is a small piece of gum.

      How all that relates to terrorism is beyond me, though.

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    3. Re:That's the appropriate use by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      This is very true but, it does beg the question of, why can they do and why can they do it?

      We all know security through obscurity is no real security at all, especially in a wide spread system. So, nearly everyone is a walking broadcaster now, putting out trackable EM pulses....awesome. Isn't the elephant in the room really the implications of that?

      So the Israeli's built it and said "governments only". Even if that worked, it means the devices can be made. $2 million makes sense over developing your own right? But if it wasn't available, if they can build it, so can others.

      But in the end, many of its capabilities really come down to the fact that any notion of phone security has been crippled out of existance by regulations designed to ensure that the government can break all privacy...so we get to have nothing but a thin veneer of privacy and security to assuage their paranoia.

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  3. You racist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are such a racist, assuming it was a black guy by default... SA has like 10% white population, you know, and besides, would a black man even know how to work that device? Also, the white man is more evil. Now that was racist...

  4. define "tender" by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Informative

    Tender

    A call for tenders, or invitation to tender (ITT) (often called tender for short) is a special procedure for generating competing offers from different bidders looking to obtain an award of business activity in works, supply, or service contracts. They are usually preceded by a pre-qualification questionnaire (PQQ).

    sounds like they used it to win government contracts and blackmail government officials that didn't play nice.

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  5. Dunno by nospam007 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    OK I know long cons need some investments, à la little fish to get a big fish, but a 2 million McGuffin just to maybe get something to blackmail is a bit far fetched IMHO.

    1. Re:Dunno by Barefoot+Monkey · · Score: 2

      The article says that it's worth $2 million, not that that is what it cost. Something like this needs to have a very large profit margin because of (1) a limited target audience and (2) the risk involved in needing to win a tender, which might not happen. So the actual cost is likely to be far less than $2 million. Besides, it's not unusual at all for large investments to be made in an attempt to win a tender, particularly when the investors are confident of winning, and the fact that the device itself can be used to manipulate the tender process if it doesn't go as planned no doubt boosted their confidence.

      Sadly, the perception at the moment is that nearly all tender processes are manipulated, and that you can't win without doing something underhanded yourself.

    2. Re:Dunno by alex67500 · · Score: 1

      Unless the tender is for multi-billion defense contracts (I don't have any information, didn't RTFA, but 2m to get a 2B contract is sound investment!)

    3. Re:Dunno by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article says that it's worth $2 million, not that that is what it cost. ...

      Not only that, it also states:

      The Hawks said senior government officials are believed to have helped the suspects purchase the device – which is highly regulated in South Africa and globally.

      Maybe it was bought with government funds, then handed to the criminals?

      Good thing it's "highly regulated"....

    4. Re:Dunno by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

      Or, realistically, many smaller contracts.

      There aren't a lot of 2B contracts out there, but there are plenty of small ones worth a paltry few million that would easily fly under the radar because those aren't the big, shiny ones. Barely worth investigation if there are some shenanigans at play.

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    5. Re:Dunno by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      The article says that it's worth $2 million, not that that is what it cost.

      I doubt that it is worth $2M. I suspect that $2M is the list price for this device, but since it is a first-generation device it is probably sold with a very large discount. This particular unit might be a used device, returned to the manufacturer.

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    6. Re:Dunno by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article says that it's worth $2 million, not that that is what it cost. ...

      Not only that, it also states:

      The Hawks said senior government officials are believed to have helped the suspects purchase the device – which is highly regulated in South Africa and globally.

      Maybe it was bought with government funds, then handed to the criminals?

      Good thing it's "highly regulated"....

      Yes just like illegal drugs are "controlled" substances, so obviously nobody ever buys them.

    7. Re:Dunno by Barefoot+Monkey · · Score: 2

      That's true. I had skimmed the article and jumped to the false conclusion that they were blackmailing officials into accepting the use of the very device that was being used to blackmail them.

      What it actually claims is that a "top gold industry businessman" and a "bank employee" imported this illegally from Israel, with the help of a "senior government official", in order to secure (through blackmail) lucrative government contracts that might otherwise not have been awarded to them ("multibillion-rand" according to TFA - so the pay-off was in excess of 80 times the cost of the device, even assuming that the device was paid at full price).

      They were caught because they attempted to resell the device once they no longer needed it. Oops.

      I'm looking forward to learning who these individuals are.

      Unfortunately, if this implicates JZ in any way then the case might be dropped and the entire division of the police involved disbanded. Investigating corruption has been difficult since last time that happened.

  6. Re:Stingrays are for cows. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Moo, happy?

  7. "Stingray-like" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Stingray" is a trademark name for a device that is generically called IMSI-catcher. You wouldn't call a smartphone an "iPhone-like device".

    1. Re:"Stingray-like" by GrumpySteen · · Score: 2

      You fail to understand how language works.

      The term "Stingray" has gotten lots of press while the phrase "IMSI-catcher" is unknown to most people. Relating a device to the most commonly known term for it is normal.

      It's no different than Scotch tape being used to refer to any brand of cellophane tape and Kleenex being used to refer to any brand of facial tissue.

    2. Re:"Stingray-like" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In that case call it a Stingray device, even though it isn't, like you would call any facial tissue a Kleenex, even if it isn't one. In other words, confuse the two or don't, but make your mind up about it.

    3. Re:"Stingray-like" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not just call it a kleenex-like tissue, or a scotch-like strip of plastic?

    4. Re:"Stingray-like" by geekmux · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Stingray" is a trademark name for a device that is generically called IMSI-catcher. You wouldn't call a smartphone an "iPhone-like device".

      "Ignorance" is a term often used to describe those asking for a pair of Vise Grips to get a better hold on the power of brand marketing without being able to grasp the irony that they don't know the tool by any other name...

    5. Re:"Stingray-like" by rossdee · · Score: 2

      Remember Steve Irwin - those things are deadly

    6. Re:"Stingray-like" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't drink single-malt strips of plastic.

    7. Re:"Stingray-like" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I call those knuckle-detectors, or nut-rounders.

  8. Doesn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This doesn't matter. Everything is wonderful now that the country is democratic with free and fair elections.

  9. Israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, the device was made in Israel.
    I bet if it was made in USoA, it wouldn't be mentioned in the article.

  10. Price Tag != Worth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They may charge $2million for this device, but it definitely is not worth that.

    openBTS, a PC and a couple hundred dollars worth of radio gear will enable this "Stingray" functionality.

    Paying $2million for something actually worth a thousand or few is just government stupidity.

  11. Good example for encryption by jbmartin6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since this device was supposedly only available to governments (as if that somehow makes it OK), this is an interesting illustration of the objections in the US to teh plan to backdoor everyone's phone encryption. If the government has the ability, criminals will soon have it also.

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    1. Re:Good example for encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "That won't happen here" will be the reply. It's a poor response but a response nonetheless.

  12. Dyslexia is bad, mkay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Are you dyslexic or something? Obviously, it was intended to be "cliche", it was close enough - 2 characters traded places, and the context was more than clear...

    1. Re:Dyslexia is bad, mkay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you dyslexic or something?

      No, but the author obviously is.

    2. Re:Dyslexia is bad, mkay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the context wasn't more than clear. Chicle is a word. I knew what it meant. Therefore I went on a search for an idiom that doesn't exist. I can hardly be dyslexic if the word "chicle" exists. If anything, I'm too smart and the author is dyslexic, and you're limited by your stupidity to see it any other way.

    3. Re:Dyslexia is bad, mkay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The context wasn't clear to you because you are dyslexic. Also, dyslexic people have problem identifying works with misplaced characters, which normal people subconsciously fix in real time, whereas I simply type way too fast, and sometimes one finger gets ahead of the others :)

    4. Re:Dyslexia is bad, mkay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, I read "chicle", which is gum, mostly in Spanish. Since this is the Internet, you know, the whole planet and stuff, I thougth perhaps there's a gap in translation of an idiom that makes sense in the author's native tongue.

      I have no problem identifying "works" [sic], or words even. When misplaced characters end up being a valid word and the context is not clear, that's just confusing, not dyslexia, and in this case is the author's responsibilty anyhow. (Can you measure how long your fingers are, BTW? Seems to me "d" and "k" are quite far apart on a normal QWERTY keyboard.)

      Like I said, you seem too limited to grasp the situation from the perspective of someone far more intelligent than yourself.

    5. Re:Dyslexia is bad, mkay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So intelligent you fell right in the "free bird seed" spot like a true straw man :) BTW way to spell troll / derail the topic, just to convince yourself that you are smart ;) Because nothing proves intelligence more than being a dedicated spelling nazi. It is also typical for intelligent people to entirely miss the obvious context. Having psychic insights into the intelligence of others goes hand in hand with it as well. Congrats...

      Besides, even if the context of colorful candy gum it makes sense, much as a cliche is used to sugar coat what's inconveniently bitter, and since I am sure you won't get it, that's all figurative speech. But I guess you are just too intelligent to connect those dots either. No wonder you are reduced to associated nitpicking with intelligence LOL

    6. Re:Dyslexia is bad, mkay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just face it, you can't spell worth a damn: it's "cliché", it's French. And you are reduced to "associated" [sic] not understanding a mistake to dyslexia LOL

  13. Re:You are the Racist by Flytrap · · Score: 1

    Do not project your racism on others

  14. New jobs by johanw · · Score: 3, Informative

    For security people scanning for these devices. I'm sure an "official" IMSI catcher detector will cost millions as well, however, there are free detection programs for rooted Android phones, like https://github.com/SecUpwN/And... and https://opensource.srlabs.de/p...

  15. why is it not recogized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    these "gadets" are just software defined radios?

    who pays 2M for a sdr?

  16. No surprise at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And that will not remain the first instance. Any anti-security device used by governments will sooner r later make it into the hands of criminals. There will also be homemade ones around, as building them is not that hard and a lot cheaper than 2 Million. The problem is that the encryption of the mobile phone networks sucks, because governments (like the US one) want it that way. Now they are endangering everybody with their stupidity.

    1. Re:No surprise at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if you're not doing anything wrong, you can't be blackmailed.

  17. Re:You are the Racist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Do not project your racism on others

    Says the guy who never drove down the wrong neighborhood in .. let's see ... oh yeah, ANY american inner city. Don't bring up slavery like it's some magical answer to everything either - everyone, and I do mean everybody has an ancestor that was a slave. And native americans, jews, and others have also faced terrible atrocities but they didn't embrace an anti-achievement gangsta crime culture because of it.

    As long as you PC types refuse to even recognize these facts, let alone provide a good answer to them, you will never convince anybody that doesnt already agree with you. As it stands now, contact with actual blacks is still the leading cause of racism. A few blacks are exceptional because they don't embrace the toxic black crime thug culture, just like every group has exceptional individuals, but as a whole - those who care for their safety avoid majority-black areas with good reason. That is why "white flight" is a thing. It's not some weird aversion to melanin.

  18. Re:Typical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Cue the racists who will blame Israel for the actions of blacks.

    But all blacks everywhere are perpetual victims so they cannot be held responsible for the choices they make. Treating them just like everybody else - by holding them responsible for what they do - would be racist, somehow. Also you should feel guilty for things that happened a century ago that you had no control over. For Justice!

  19. Re:You are the Racist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Being chased out of a bad neighborhood because you're white is not the same thing as institutional racism, not even close.

    Slavery and discrimination has had significant effects on black people all the way through the 1950's. That's why the average black household has less wealth than the average white household, even if their wages are increasing. Many white families in America have had generations to accumulate wealth, and were also able to take advantage of government-sponsored housing loans in the early 1900's that were specifically prohibited for people of color.

    Black people learned how to be gangsters from white people in the 1920's.

    Contact with actual black people will reduce racism, not cause it. If you're a racist, there's a good chance that it's probably because you don't actually know any people of color, other than the ones you see on TV.

  20. Re:You are the Racist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Being chased out of a bad neighborhood because you're white is not the same thing as institutional racism, not even close.

    Slavery and discrimination has had significant effects on black people all the way through the 1950's. That's why the average black household has less wealth than the average white household, even if their wages are increasing. Many white families in America have had generations to accumulate wealth, and were also able to take advantage of government-sponsored housing loans in the early 1900's that were specifically prohibited for people of color.

    Black people learned how to be gangsters from white people in the 1920's.

    Contact with actual black people will reduce racism, not cause it. If you're a racist, there's a good chance that it's probably because you don't actually know any people of color, other than the ones you see on TV.

    The ones I see on TV are mostly doctors, lawyers, executives, politicians, wise religious leaders, etc. If only real blacks were mostly like them!