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How NASA Defended Its Assembly Facility From Hurricane Katrina

An anonymous reader writes: Tomorrow marks the 10-year anniversary of Hurricane Katrina's arrival in New Orleans. Though that time was filled with tragedy, there were survival stories, and a new article gives an insider's account of how NASA's Michoud Assembly Facility weathered the storm. Michoud was their key fuel tank production location, and if it had been lost, the space program would have gone off the rails. A 17-foot levee and a building with four water pumps capable of moving 62,000 gallons per minute stood between the storm and catastrophe for NASA's launch capabilities. "Water was merely the primary concern of the first 24 hours; Hurricane Katrina left its mark on the facilities even if Michoud was the rare speck of land to escape flooding. Roofs were lost to strong winds, one building even blew out entirely. External Tank 122 took some damage." Members of the "ride out" team spent much of the next month at Michoud, working long days to inspect and repair issues caused by the water. They maintained the facility well enough that it became a base for members of the military doing search and rescue operations. Amazingly, they did it all without any injuries to the team, and NASA didn't miss a single tank shipment.

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  1. wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's cool!

  2. what's the opposite of Progress? by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    TL;DR version:
    Survived Katrina, didn't survive Congress

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    1. Re:what's the opposite of Progress? by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 4, Informative

      TL;DR version: Survived Katrina, didn't survive Congress

      You apparently didn't read the complete article. They are now busy building components for the Space Launch System. They are still very much alive. Good for them!

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    2. Re:what's the opposite of Progress? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Having your funding cut does not mean an eliminated department.

    3. Re:what's the opposite of Progress? by MobSwatter · · Score: 1

      Yep, still building rockets to push a craft through the atmosphere. Alive yes, thinking straight is debatable. They clearly didn't learn too much studying the SR-71 from '97 before mothballing it in '99 at NASA. I'd wager they would have gotten mach 4 at around 150,000' out of the SR-71 if something didn't happen in 1964 on the north shore of Tahoe and the development of JP7 had been fine tuned. They probably didn't look too hard at the AQM-60 Kingfisher developed under OXCART under CIA SR in the same program either. Looks like they really didn't learn anything in '03, or in prior failures either, or maybe those that are calling the shots like burning money on hardware and in training people.

    4. Re:what's the opposite of Progress? by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      You apparently didn't read the complete article. They are now busy building components for the Space Launch System. They are still very much alive.

      They might have food on the engineers' families tables, but I don't see anything coming out of there flying anytime soon.

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  3. In case that's not impressive enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
  4. Because its not just a NASA facility by nimbius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The facility was originally constructed in 1940 at the village of Michoud, Louisiana on behalf of the United States government for the war production during World War II. The site was a production site for the Korean war as well as the bulk of the US space race. the US Army Corps of Engineers knew exactly what they were about when evaluating it from a strategic perspective. This thing was a big chunk of the US space race (a wholly owned subsidiary of the cold war.) during Katrina, so it wasnt your average office park. most importantly, facility ride-out crews pumped more than one billion gallons of water out of the facility because that was what it was designed to withstand. They actually won an Exceptional Bravery medal from NASA for this.

    New Orleans on the other hand was crumpled like a beer can under the might of Katrina, and smelted in the incompetent furnace that was the Bush administration. the new levy cost us 14 billion dollars. or coincidentally, almost 1 year of NASA budget.

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    1. Re:Because its not just a NASA facility by JackieBrown · · Score: 3, Insightful

      New Orleans on the other hand was crumpled like a beer can under the might of Katrina, and smelted in the incompetent furnace that was the Bush administration.

      You mean because of the governor and mayor, right? Bush had to wait until the state authorize the use of the military to jump in. Or do you want the president to have the power to jump in and take control of a city?

      His failure - if you have to find one - is that he didn't publicly chastise the governor until the governor was shamed into doing that. Unfortunately, that was not his style - otherwise he would have blamed 9/11 on the Clinton administration since that is when most of the preparation and planning took place.

    2. Re:Because its not just a NASA facility by Coren22 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Was it ever determined to be incompetence of the Bush administration, or are you just spouting off?

      At the time, the stories coming out were that there was a delay in the request for assistance, which is required before the federal government can come help. If they didn't request assistance and the feds showed up, people would be complaining about a federal invasion. Also, when whole swaths of land are ravaged, getting into the area to help is rather difficult, and can take time in the case of a hurricane as they hit an enormous amount of area, not just a little city.

      But it is always more convenient to blame your political opponent, even if it is lazy.

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    3. Re:Because its not just a NASA facility by felrom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pay no attention to the 130 years of Democrat rule of the city leading up to Katrina. All the fault for the city's unpreparedness lies with a single Republican who had no authority to intervene.

      If I rolled my eyes sufficiently for the amount of derp packed into your comment, I'd probably get dizzy and fall over.

    4. Re:Because its not just a NASA facility by Speck'sBacon · · Score: 1

      Bush stated he refused to provide help because he doesn't like black people.

      I wish I weren't out of mod points... Put up or shut up. Show me where Dubya said anything of the sort. He didn't. Troll.

    5. Re:Because its not just a NASA facility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      smelted in the incompetent furnace that was the Bush administration

      Exactly. He wanted black people to die. To die. He said he didn't like us. He admitted to it. Of course because of the Bush Crime Family's power, he was never put in prison for this hate crime. He tried so hard to kill all of us here. So hard. Of course, he failed in his quest to kill us. Only 1,836 people died. Considering he sent the military in with guns and they started shooting at us, the US military is incompetent since they were only able to kill so few people. They are morons, just like Shrub. How do you fail when you have machines guns? Machine guns!

    6. Re:Because its not just a NASA facility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What did the (I'll admit bad) president have to do with New Orleans not preparing themselves for even a mid level hurricane? People who live in any kind of at risk area (hurricane, flood, tornado, snow, etc) should prepare THEMSELVES for emergencies that may effect their area, not expect others to do it for them.

    7. Re:Because its not just a NASA facility by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Informative

      Was it ever determined to be incompetence of the Bush administration, or are you just spouting off?

      "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job"

      Yes, as a matter of fact. Bush was too incompetent to know his flunky was too incompetent:

      the Democratic lawmaker cited several e-mails that he said show Brown's failures. In one, as employees looked for direction and support on the ravaged Gulf Coast, Brown offered to "tweak" the federal response.

      Two days after Katrina hit, Marty Bahamonde, one of the only FEMA employees in New Orleans, wrote to Brown that "the situation is past critical" and listed problems including many people near death and food and water running out at the Superdome.

      Brown's entire response was: "Thanks for the update. Anything specific I need to do or tweak?" (Copies of e-mails posted by critic -- PDF)

      On September 12 Brown resigned, 10 days after President Bush told him, "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job."

      And, in case you don't scroll far enough in that article:

      Brown took over FEMA in 2003 with little experience in emergency management. He joined the agency in 2001 as legal counsel to his friend, then-FEMA director Joe Allbaugh, who was Bush's 2000 campaign manager. When Allbaugh left FEMA in 2003 Brown assumed the top job.

      Before joining the Bush administration, Brown spent a decade as the stewards and judges commissioner of the International Arabian Horse Association.

      So, a man without proper experience failed to act and then offered to "tweak" the response, as if it was a minor thing.

      So how about you stop thinking of this as a partisan issue. It really does come down to an unqualified crony of Bush failing to act, and Bush acting like it was all going according to plan.

      But it is always more convenient to blame your political opponent, even if it is lazy.

      Yes, yes it is. Only in this case it's you doing that.

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    8. Re:Because its not just a NASA facility by nimbius · · Score: 3, Informative

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... Unfortunately most of the criticism, and failure, rests squarely within the Bush administration, all flair, bravado, and style aside.

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    9. Re:Because its not just a NASA facility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The GP got it a little wrong. Bush said, "I don't care about black people." It on TV live during an awards show.

    10. Re:Because its not just a NASA facility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kanye is that you?

    11. Re: Because its not just a NASA facility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bush had the army force blacks that were evacuating back into the city. As he said on live TV, he doesn't care about black people.

    12. Re:Because its not just a NASA facility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pay no attention to the 130 years of Democrat rule of the city leading up to Katrina

      But almost all of them, especially Nagin, were DINOs, so that was most certainly the fault of the GOPpers. The Republicans don't believe in spending money on infrastructure. They even sold some of the levees as scrap. The DINOs literally sold the city's protection. What was left was over 80 holes that flooded the city, just as the Republicans planned it. They wanted it to happen, and they made it happen. There were no true Democrats in the local government when Katrina hit or anytime that I can remember the previous forty-eight years I've lived here. There just are NO Democrats in NO.

    13. Re: Because its not just a NASA facility by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Links? I have heard that the national guard (a state organization) was turning people back after the storm had started, but nothing about the army.

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    14. Re: Because its not just a NASA facility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's sad how many people don't know that. It was one of the darkest times in this country's history.

    15. Re:Because its not just a NASA facility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are perfectly welcome to cite your own reliable sources and update wikipedia to correct the factual errors and remove opinions.

      And even if you don't you can still cite sources to contradict the above statement.

      Or perhaps wikipedia is actually correct on the subject.

      Most likely you're just a loud mouth conservative, like most of the posters here, and have no actual facts.

    16. Re:Because its not just a NASA facility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What in the hell does some random rapper have to do with Bush saying he doesn't care about us? It has nothing to do with it. You're just trying to distract from the real issue by bringing-up a bunch of unrelated garbage. That shows you know we are right, and you are wrong. When people resort to spewing lies and unrelated facts, you know they're in the wrong.

    17. Re: Because its not just a NASA facility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone knows he said it. Why can't you admit the truth?

    18. Re: Because its not just a NASA facility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because he ordered the army to put the 80 holes in the levers to flood the black areas of the city.

    19. Re:Because its not just a NASA facility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      130 years of Democrat rule of the city

      Except that there are no real Democrats here. In the rest of the country, they would be Republicans. So, this is the fault of Republicans. Republicans like Nagin decided to obstruct evacuations. Republicans like the governor decided to not ask Bush for help. Republicans like Bush decided to wait until the law allowed him to help instead of doing what was right. Bush intentionally let thousands die just because of some stupid words on a piece of paper. Bush let words kill people.

    20. Re: Because its not just a NASA facility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Wikipedia article you linked to does not support that conclusion.

    21. Re:Because its not just a NASA facility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > They even sold some of the levees as scrap.

      The Republican-controlled media buried that story. The Bush Crime Family literally took down the levees as part of their plan to flood the poor neighborhoods of NO. They did it on purpose. Bush got in trouble for admitting the truth that he doesn't care about black people on national live TV, but that is just the tip of the iceberg.

    22. Re:Because its not just a NASA facility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that there are no real Democrats here. In the rest of the country, they would be Republicans. So, this is the fault of Republicans. Republicans like Nagin decided to obstruct evacuations.

      The sad thing is that people fall for logical falicies like this.

    23. Re:Because its not just a NASA facility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bush had to wait until the state authorize the use of the military to jump in.

      Yes, I was talking with a LTC from another state. He said by Constitution another Natl Guard unit cannot simply go to another state. There is due process that must be followed. He also said when Guard units are requested, it takes time to assemble, vaccinate, examine travel routes (150 vehicles all stopping at same place to refuel at same time ain't gonna work), etc. They don't have active standby "troops armed and ready to go!"

      otherwise he would have blamed 9/1

      Problem is government are focused on terrorism and not disasters (I heard much of Louisiana Natl Guard was in Iraq), in addition to mayor and governor Blackberries crapped out so they lost command and control, there was "heck of a good job" Brown, etc.

    24. Re:Because its not just a NASA facility by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      At the time, the stories coming out were that there was a delay in the request for assistance, which is required before the federal government can come help.

      In an emergency, with lives at stake, you are supposed to do what is needed and worry about the "proper" paperwork and chain of command later. Insisting you can't save lives without XQA dash 5 filled out is the kind of crap that our soldiers in WWII used to call chickenshit.

      insistence on the letter rather than the spirit of ordinances. Chickenshit is so called — instead of horse — or bull — or elephant shit — because it is small-minded and ignoble and takes the trivial seriously. Chickenshit can be recognized instantly because it never has anything to do with winning the war

      This is pretty much an exact characterization of the response we got from the Federal government at the time, and the excuses that are still thrown up for their inaction today. Of course this is the exact flavor of shit you can expect when the POTUS in question hires a political donor to head an Emergency response agency instead of an experienced disaster response leader (as the POTUSes before and after him did).

      When disaster strikes, and the locals aren't equipped to deal with it on their own, we need leaders, not chickenshits. That's what we are supposed to have a federal government for.

    25. Re:Because its not just a NASA facility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You mean because of the governor and mayor, right? Bush had to wait until the state authorize the use of the military to jump in.

      I think we're talking about FEMA, which you might remember was headed by a guy who's only qualification was that he was a judge for horse shows or something like that.

      Or do you want the president to have the power to jump in and take control of a city?

      Providing aide does not require taking over anything.

      Unfortunately, that was not his style - otherwise he would have blamed 9/11 on the Clinton administration since that is when most of the preparation and planning took place.

      You mean like when Clinton was directing cruise missile strikes against terrorists in Africa over the screaming objections of Republicans, or were you more referring to how Clinton warned Bush about threats to attack the United States and Bush did essentially nothing? Does this mean that the attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 was Bush Sr's fault? I bet you don't blame the preparation and planning of the Clinton Administration for handing Bush a military ready and able to conduct two simultaneous wars. Somehow that was Bush's success, amirite?

      It's comical to watch an ideologue contort themselves to make everything the fault of everyone who doesn't accept their obviously correct ideology. When terrorists attack during a Republican Presidency it's the preceding Democrats fault, and when the failures of a Federal agency under a Republican Presidency cause massive flooding and loss of life it's the fault of the governor in the state victimized by federal incompetence.

    26. Re:Because its not just a NASA facility by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      Still blaming Bush when we have Obama.

  5. *BUSH* administration?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't you mean "Nagin administration"? And "Blanco administration"?

    Or does the fact those two have a "D" after their names mean you can't blame the people actually in charge when Katrina hit? You know, the clowns who let literally acres of buses get flooded out because they were too stupid to use them to evacuate people?

    Because Florida got hit with three hurricanes right in a row in 2004 - Charley, Ivan, and Jean all hit between Aug 13 and Sep 26, 2004.

    And there was no problem with the response to that, now was there?

    Bush was in charge then too.

    What was the difference? Bush was in charge in Florida, too - Jeb Bush.

    Oh, and when the response to Hurricane Andrew in Florida was horrible? Guess the party of Florida Governor Lawton Chiles...

    1. Re:*BUSH* administration?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jeb may be the best Bush capable of running, but a Jeb "I don't want to say I'm running for POTUS so I can play the campaign laws" Bush is certainly not a President I'd want. He can keep the White House orderly, but that alone was too weak for me to consider him. Hillary hasn't done anything so weak or as infuriating to me in the past 10 years. Hope they don't force me to vote for a write-in or something. Last time I voted for Gary Johnson.

    2. Re:*BUSH* administration?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you retarded?

    3. Re:*BUSH* administration?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > And there was no problem with the response to that, now was there?

      Because Bush doesn't care about black people. He said so on national TV during an awards show. He admitted to it. That is why he saved Florida while allowing NO to be destroyed. He has proven the words he said to be try by his actions.

    4. Re:*BUSH* administration?!?! by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Wow. I'm sorry but these posts are too common and too frequent for me to believe that this is not a democrat propaganda. Post often enough and people believe this shit - or at least start sub consciously believing the spirit of these posts.

      If this was a MS or Google shill, they would be called out in a New York minute. Hell, they at least are more subtle than this.

      It's a real shame what politics have come too.

    5. Re:*BUSH* administration?!?! by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      And to add, if it's not a paid for democrat, then why are none of the democrats or progressives calling out these lies? Do they really add to any conversation?

      In this thread alone...

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      And I haven't refreshed the page otherwise I'd probably see more.

    6. Re:*BUSH* administration?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or does the fact those two have a "D" after their names mean you can't blame the people actually in charge when Katrina hit?

      I think it has more to do with the fact that neither of them were in charge of the Army Corps of Engineers and their defective levees and neither of them appointed Michael Brown to head FEMA.

      Because Florida got hit with three hurricanes right in a row in 2004 - Charley, Ivan, and Jean all hit between Aug 13 and Sep 26, 2004.

      And there was no problem with the response to that, now was there?

      I'm pretty sure none of those cities were sitting below sea level and protected by defective levees built by the Army Corps of Engineers - a Federal agency.

    7. Re:*BUSH* administration?!?! by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Don't feed the troll. It's here for the reaction.

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  6. There were issues with Post Katrina ET's by trout007 · · Score: 5, Informative

    We had issues with Post Katrina ET's because many of the technicians were displaced after Katrina and they lost institutional knowledge. The Ground Umbilical Carrier Plate (GUCP) was not installed within the tolerances and we had problems for the rest of the program with leaking hydrogen gas from this connection which caused quite a few scrubbed launches.

    http://llis.nasa.gov/lesson/60...

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  7. Can Only Be Stopped By... by thedonger · · Score: 1

    A hurricane with a gun can only be stopped by an assembly facility with a gun something something 'Merica!

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    1. Re:Can Only Be Stopped By... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As it turns out correctly preparing for a hurricane IS rocket science.

    2. Re:Can Only Be Stopped By... by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 1

      Or the closest NASA can come to rocket science these days...

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  8. Why no mention of gulf coast?? by Cutting_Crew · · Score: 2

    Why have all the news stations and online articles only mention New Orleans when the entire gulf coast of Mississippi faced the storm head on and was obliterated into nothing in addition to storm surge? New Orleans simply suffered from water surge - at the fault of the city being at or below sea level. The eye of the storm hit the Mississippi Gulf Coast - not New Orleans. So while New Orleans got some storm surge and a little wind...the gulf coast got both and more than plenty of it. But no one seems to remember that part.

    1. Re:Why no mention of gulf coast?? by Straif · · Score: 1

      Probably because most other places had competent City and State governments in place who knew how to handle the crisis. NO went to hell because no one knew what to do and took forever to even officially request federal aid and even then tried to retain control over things they had no clue how to handle.

      People forget than FEMA is not a first response organization. They are suppose to come in to assist already established State and Local teams, take over centralized command if the locals are not capable and to help spread around federal funds where needed. They can do a lot of stuff but it all comes down to what the local governments allow them to do and what aid they can get at the local level.

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    2. Re:Why no mention of gulf coast?? by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

      NO residents that didn't leave were victims of learned helplessness.

      In other words, they were so used to nanny government wiping their butts for them, they forgot how to fend for themselves.

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  9. I guess it's too much to ask.. by HotNeedleOfInquiry · · Score: 1

    For a story about NASA putting something on the moon or Mars. Instead we have a fluff piece about water and a hurricane 10 years old.

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  10. lost homes for many NASA people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many of those 38 people had no homes to go back to. I talked to one who was able to return home after two weeks to only find just a concrete slab where his home was), so he went back to work (he seemed to be in good spirits and was still quite functional, and Bldg 320 had a few beds even got the AC working (man o man, weather was hot and humid), cafeteria opened for meals (everything was free). But I wonder how does someone deal with all your possessions reduced to what you are wearing and what's in your car. Many other employees were in same situation.

    It was also interesting to see how Army and Marines dealt with logistics from communications to laundry. Talking with a grunt from an out of state unit, he got a message to report to his unit in next 12 hours so he cancelled all his college classes and reported to duty.

    The water in the canals was really horrible looking as you can imagine it had all kinds of biohazards and toxic chemicals. They stick a big hose, pumped the water through reverse osmosis unit, and out comes nice clean drinking water.

  11. The inconvenient thruth. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > How NASA Defended Its Assembly Facility From Hurricane Katrina

    By throwing thousands of poor negro under the bus, most literally. (US officials say 1050 dead, russians leaked 5000 corpses were seen floating in sat imagery.)

    Imagine if the USSR performed in Chernobyl's aftermath the same as USA did during Katrina... Cold War would had ended 5 years sooner.

    Of course, when California is hit by the long-delayed giant earthquake, homosexual and metrosexual technophile will be the new poor negro: nobody will care about them, nobody will give them shelter anywhere and all americans will say they died in Lord's due punishment for their ungodly manners...